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Time now on BBC News for Talking Movies. | :00:00. | :00:26. | |
Hello and welcome to Texas in our special South by Southwest Film | :00:27. | :00:34. | |
Festival addition. In today's programme, the opening night film | :00:35. | :00:41. | |
from a visionary American director. Did eat live up to expectation? Most | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
girls out there have the same formula. This has a different one. | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
The action big budget films also came to town. It takes them on a | :00:54. | :01:02. | |
ride. It is designed to be seen big and loud. It totally normalises the | :01:03. | :01:10. | |
image of the average American Muslim and the average American Mexican | :01:11. | :01:16. | |
immigrant. And Melissa Leo playing and activist. The question of | :01:17. | :01:31. | |
religious freedom. And storytelling devices. All that and more in this | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
special South by Southwest Film Festival addition of Talking Movies. | :01:37. | :01:48. | |
Austin has been enveloped by South by Southwest Film Festival, a | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
sprawling interactive media music and film festival that overwhelms | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
the city. This year, 130 features were showcased. South by Southwest | :01:58. | :02:08. | |
Film Festival opened amid great excitement with stars arriving to | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
the premiere of song the song. It is very much a local tale involving in | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
the correct that lovers in the backdrop of the music scene. | :02:21. | :02:36. | |
Struggling Song writers. I played somebody who is trying to find some | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
sort of transcendence and he does that through sexual encounters, | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
drugtaking, any heightened experience. It is somebody who is | :02:49. | :02:56. | |
very manipulative but also somebody who is a little bit lost himself. A | :02:57. | :03:05. | |
very powerful, very wealthy but very destructive, self-destructive | :03:06. | :03:14. | |
person. Song the song has many of the landmarks of its director. The | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
story that is more impressionistic than leapfrog. For some it had an | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
intoxicating effects. He is one of the most unique, original humans I | :03:28. | :03:35. | |
have ever met. He is so brilliant and just his own person. This is one | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
of the most unique experience I have ever had. He makes beautiful films. | :03:44. | :03:51. | |
What is interesting about Jerry is he makes them differently from the | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
usual format. Most films have the same formula and Terence Malik has a | :03:59. | :04:06. | |
different formula. Terence Malik does not do interviews. He has | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
become a mythical figure. He withdrew from filmmaking in the | :04:12. | :04:21. | |
1970s. Since the tree of life, his most recent films have not brought | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
him much claim. Would this restore his reputation? Critics for the most | :04:28. | :04:39. | |
part hand it. -- panned. What is it you do? More enthusiasm for the | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
Hollywood studio movies. Baby Driver was well liked. Aislinn Derbez as | :04:47. | :04:57. | |
the getaway driver. It is really fun for everyone. Very fun movie feature | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
movie, a date movie, a movie he can go with your friends. Baby Driver is | :05:05. | :05:17. | |
made by British direct Edgar Wright. It is something he cannot live | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
without and that is the movie you see. Also banning some decent | :05:23. | :05:33. | |
reviews was Atomic Blonde in which Charlize Theron plays a lethal MI6 | :05:34. | :05:43. | |
James Bond spy on assignment. The Room, dubbed the Citizen Kane of | :05:44. | :05:56. | |
current movies, brought credit to its star producer and director James | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
Franco. The narrative films are a bit of a mishmash but several had | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
immigrant themes. A portrait of a young Nigerian American working on | :06:11. | :06:17. | |
Wall Street weighed down by obligations to his immigrant family. | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
In telling the story of this particular guy who I found | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
fascinating - at once an American on who dreams of artwork mobility, and | :06:28. | :06:37. | |
African, an African-American. You get the experience through that | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
particular lens, the Niger in America. And finally, the story of a | :06:43. | :06:55. | |
Muslim Lesbian immigration lawyer whose love for a Mexican American | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
woman and her interest in wrestling puts it in conflict with a very | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
traditional Pakistani mother. In the light of the rising views, her film | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
has been perceived in political terms. I was making a story about | :07:11. | :07:17. | |
Muslims and Mexicans before Donald Trump made it popular to talk about | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
Muslims and Mexicans in the same sentence. I set out to tell a story | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
that reflected the people I know. The truth I know, the love that I | :07:28. | :07:35. | |
see. Now in a bit more detail. This year there were documentaries about | :07:36. | :07:44. | |
blacks being shot by police. This seems a routine aspect of life in | :07:45. | :07:52. | |
America today. One focuses on one particular incident. Shots fired. In | :07:53. | :08:01. | |
Milwaukee and Wisconsin April 2013 31-year-old is napping in a public | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
park. Citizens call police complaining he looked suspicious. An | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
altercation between him and a police officer ended in him being shot to | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
death. He was diagnosed schizophrenic. Direct Eric Young | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
found elements of this story troubling so he made contact with | :08:25. | :08:32. | |
Hamilton's family. I work as a journalist in Milwaukee. I travel | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
all around. I had done some stories on social activism so I knew a lot | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
of the main players in social movements and went to one of the | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
rallies at the Hamilton families had. They knew and could vouch for | :08:47. | :08:55. | |
me. I kind of trying to explain. They just thought I was another | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
newsgroup but I kept coming to all the rallies and talking to them more | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
and they got a better sense of what I was tried to do. Do you have any | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
reservations about being a white person telling a story rooted in | :09:12. | :09:24. | |
African-American context. Am I missing something? Were our my blind | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
spots? We tried to consult with people and do the best you can but | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
it is definitely something that crossed my mind and it was a | :09:37. | :09:44. | |
concern. It is a documentary that shows more than a family 's grief. | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
In the film, frustration built as a city of the walk it takes months at | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
a time to respond to these tragedy officially. During that period the | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
family became more politically active. Our film is unique cause we | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
were really on the ground right after this happened following the | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
family, trying to reset the narrative in the media about their | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
loved one and about fighting for justice and this family is really | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
unique in that they are kind of leaving the social movement in | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
Milwaukee. They got community members to come out once a week and | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
they would talk about what the plan was for the week. In the film, we | :10:30. | :10:40. | |
see the formation of the coalition for Justice as they rally against | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
police and even quarrelled with others over political tactics. The | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
director says his agenda was less political and more about the | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
training and family driven to action by the loss of a loved one. My main | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
thing was really to show from families Perspex if because it is | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
easy for people to sit at an judge this family. -- perspective. If you | :11:03. | :11:10. | |
got to know this family anybody can relate to this family. Nate and | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
Maria are really good people and a lot of fun and even despite the | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
tragedy they maintained a sense of humour and were able to have a good | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
time. What would you do if that happened? Given that there are | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
numerous instances of police shooting television airways are | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
often seek with these tragedies and some believe the public has become | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
numb. And a documentary make any difference? Nate Hamilton believes | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
in the films ability to impact individuals more than anything else. | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
Everything in this film will show our self expression and the love we | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
have for our family and the love that has grown from the community. | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
Seeing this film you can say I have seen this family, I can see me in | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
this family, I can see myself marching in protest and talking to | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
officials the same way this family was with courage, dignity and | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
self-respect. The story raises question about how the Milwaukee | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
police department handle this racially charged case. The film has | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
topicality because at the end of last month, the new Attorney General | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
Jeff Sessions indicated the Federal government will pull back on | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
investigating police department that may have violated the civil rights | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
of minorities. Eric Young says he finds Jeff Sessions rhetoric | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
terrifying. He has only been in the White House for a few weeks but a | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
ready president Trump with his policies is changing the way the | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
rest of the world sees America. Deceptions of Americans and how they | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
match with reality. Mainland looks at these perceptions. Her | :13:07. | :13:16. | |
documentary follows to Chinese teenagers, they travel to the US to | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
study in the State of Maine. They are part of a bigger phenomenon of | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
economic leap privileged students from China on study of broad | :13:26. | :13:35. | |
programmes in the US. There is an enormous wave of Chinese students | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
coming to the US and to other parts of the world who seek higher | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
education so they can experience American culture and learn the | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
language. The goal is to go to college in the US and afterwords it | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
is more of an open? . Do they go back or stay? Mainland touches on | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
the differences between Chinese and American culture is. It is the | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
subject matter familiar to the direct Miao Wang,, because she moved | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
to the US when she was 13. How happiness varies between the two | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
countries. How the Chinese happiness is different from American | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
happiness. In America a lot of times people go to a sports game and feel | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
really happy but in China most people just do not... That has to be | :14:25. | :14:34. | |
some kind of basic, fundamental security... Like financial security | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
before people can really feel like they can allow themselves to feel | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
happy and I think in some ways she appreciates levels of the | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
American... That sort of carefree in S. Carefree nurse. It shows that it | :14:49. | :14:58. | |
is a sobering experience for the students to come to America. | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
They had this idealistic American dream which is you can probably | :15:05. | :15:17. | |
become wealthy, have a nice life here he is. But in a lot of ways, | :15:18. | :15:27. | |
they are worse than China. Mainland took three years to make and was | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
shot in the US and China. The director lets the visuals speak for | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
themselves. At South by Southwest, it won an award for Excellence in | :15:38. | :15:45. | |
Observational Humour. I watched a famous movie called High School | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
Musical and decided to study in America. One Austin resident who | :15:52. | :16:03. | |
loomed large was Mao Glenn Murray Ohare, and activists atheist. -- an | :16:04. | :16:13. | |
activist atheist. She was once lauded as the most hated woman in | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
America. Now there is a movie about her rise and very lurid fall. The | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
film shows her as a larger than life figure. Her actor applauds her | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
achievements. In the early 1960s single-handedly with the help of her | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
young son got Christian prayer out of public schools in the United | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
States of America by taking it to The Supreme Court where it was found | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
to be indeed an infringement on the Constitution. You have just ruined a | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
television show. She became a media star and was a difficult women | :16:54. | :17:00. | |
according to many accounts off. -- woman. She had an interesting | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
relationship with her father. He was too religious and she needed | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
something to strike out against. As she got older and became more and | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
more committed to the notion and got more and more informed about all of | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
it, she also went on later in her life to form the American Atheist | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
Association. The director said he was interested in the dynamics of | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
her family life. I wanted to tell a story about a woman who had a very | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
complex relationship with her family. A person who really believed | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
in something and was seduced by the limelight and greed and ended up | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
pushing away many of those people that loved her the most. Hello. A | :17:46. | :17:53. | |
former employee was her downfall. Knowledgeable that the American | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
atheist empire had sizeable funds, she saw an opportunity. She was | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
kidnapped along with her son and granddaughter and they were all | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
murdered by him in 1985. He was a career criminal. He was fascinating | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
and deeply charming. And I think very much they had this rather | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
extraordinary and bizarre relationship. O'Hare. And her | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
relatives were mutilated and buried and it was indeed a gruesome. There | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
were documentaries made about her, but this new film is a fictionalised | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
account. Liberties were taken, but the director says a lot was true. A | :18:32. | :18:41. | |
lot comes directly from interviews. We are lucky to have quite a few | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
books that she wrote and plenty of articles and TV appearances to pull | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
from. Religious conservatives who believe there is a place for prayer | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
in public schools probably will not rush to see this movie, but to her | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
supporters, this film shows her achievements still have great | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
topical relevance. The question of religious freedom has come up again | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
in our world, I don't think it actually died away. I think it gives | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
pause to many of the things she says and what she says in the film. She | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
is not asking people to stop their religion, she is not asking people | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
to believe what she believes, she does not want to be rolled over into | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
someone else's belief and me to do things according to someone else's | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
belief. That is it. And after all, that is truly the American way. | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
Nobody can hurt me. As a festival, South by Southwest is jampacked with | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
corporate branding. But, some subversive works to emerge from | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
other commercial infrastructure. For example, this year was Rat Film, a | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
truly idiosyncratic documentary which defies easy categorisation. | :19:52. | :20:00. | |
Tristan Daley reports. In his first documentary feature, Rat Film, Mr | :20:01. | :20:08. | |
Anthony uses the rat to explore different topics, like housing the | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
scammer nation, and current methods of pest control. -- discrimination. | :20:13. | :20:26. | |
It takes place in Baltimore and uses the rat as a tool. I don't have | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
strong feelings for the rat, but I do believe in the rat as a vessel | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
for ideas and histories of people. That is what I am interested in, not | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
actually the rat. Anything that cuts across boundaries and moves people. | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
I could have made a film about garbage routes. Anything but | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
transverse is distance and people and geography has the potential to | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
create really strange connections. -- transverses. The film shows how | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
the scammer nation contributed to the rise of rat populations in poor | :21:01. | :21:09. | |
neighbourhoods in Baltimore. Videogame perspectives showed the | :21:10. | :21:19. | |
perspective of the rats. The rat is a theme throughout. But critics | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
could say it lacks coherence. There are so many ideas. I don't want to | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
be confined to a mythical linear narrative that will give catharsis | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
and resolution at the end. Anything that I try to push back on, that | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
expectation of solution and a payoff and coming out of the film learning | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
what we have to do next. I think the most effective a film can be is that | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
you come out feeling radically different and not knowing what to | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
do. And that is the most important step, I think. Open interpretation | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
seems to be Theo Anthony's biggest priority. Watching Rat Film, it is | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
easy to think that the animals are being used to show something | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
profound. Fight he says there is no singular interpretation. It is | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
whatever you bring to it. If you want to see people running around | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
Baltimore killing or helping rats, it has that. If you want to learn | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
about how a city is mapped and modelled and built, you can do that | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
as well. The film premiered to positive reviews. It seems fitting | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
that this should screen at South by Southwest, which is known for its | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
mixed media brand. And any hopes this home-grown project will for a | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
wrench into the expectations of the audience about what a documentary | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
film should be. Well, that brings this special South | :22:48. | :23:04. | |
by Southwest Film Festival edition of Talking Movies to a close. We | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
hope you enjoyed the show. You can always find us on line and at | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
Facebook. From me and the rest of the Talking Movies crew, it is | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
goodbye, as we leave you with one of the music video is shown here at | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
South by Southwest. -- videos. #Girl, you're too young, don't give | :23:22. | :23:57. | |
up on life. Don't, don't give up on life. Don't stop believing#. #Girl, | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
you're too young, don't give up on life. Don't, don't give up on life. | :24:01. | :24:02. | |
Don't stop believing#. The cloud has slowly crept | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
across the UK through the day Not rain for all, but this | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
was the view through Friday There will be some rain around | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
for many of us this weekend, | :24:14. | :24:18. |