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Hello and welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker. And Alex starts

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rehearsals, just for tonight and joined by Anita Rani. Lucky for us,

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we are in the presence of a home- grown screen goddess and Hollywood

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legend. It is Joan Collins! lovely to see you again! You look

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amazing. Thinking back to the last time we saw you, you were about to

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throw yourself into the world of pantomime. How was it? It was

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absolutely fantastic, I loved it. Oh, my God! I got swine flu! Just

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before Christmas, yes, and I was staggering around and trying to do

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my number and feeling really ill. I had to take five performance as off,

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which was for all. Now I know what swine flu is, it is not something

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you want to get! Do not shake hands with anyone! You mention that in a

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book. We'll be talking about that in a moment, we cannot wait to talk

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to you about it, but members of the public will be tapping into your

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wisdom. Yes? All this week on the One Show, we are keeping tabs on

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David Walliams as his wins the Thames. As we are finding out,

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things are going from bad to worse. Pretty rough. Before we get that

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progress report from the man himself, this is what happened when

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Matt Allwright went to the River Dart in Devon to meet one man who

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likes to take a dip on the wild The River Dart in Devon. Throughout

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history, its unpredictable rapids and currents have claimed many

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lives. Given the nature of the raging river, not necessarily the

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best place, you might think, is to stage a 10 kilometre river swimming

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marathon, but that is exactly what they are doing down there in Totnes,

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where the river becomes tidal, all the way down to where the waters

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are much deeper. The challenge for one of the younger swimmers,

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sending old Toby, is quite different. Struck down with chronic

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fatigue syndrome, he is worried the condition will stop him finishing

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at all. I was hit by glandular fever when I was 15. From then on,

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my training declined. I used to train up to 16 hours per week. It

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slowed me down, made me feel lethargic. Running upstairs send my

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heart rate through the ceiling. I still am somebody who really likes

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to go for it, give everything my best shot. It became more difficult

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psychologically because I felt I could do less and less physically.

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The start his moments away. Under the rubber caps, there are worried

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looking faces. Toby is in the white My greatest fear swimming the

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marathon was that I would hit a wall and not physically be able to

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go on. I want to competed. If I do not, I think it will send me into a

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downward spiral. -- complete it. are at the three, to mark, and you

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can see the first feeding station behind me. -- three kilometre mark.

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How is it going? It is going OK. You took off at quite a pace.

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just wanted to get going and then working to a pace from there.

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have got the ferry coming down, what does that mean for the

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swimmers? Because the river is narrow, it is forcing the swimmers

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closer to the bank. The wake of the boat will have some sort of pushing

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against them. There is quite a lot of stuff to avoid. There is. There

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are things that come loose, like that long whistle. There is other

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debris floating, underwater and time comment. It poses big problems.

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You can see the estuary is opening rider, and they are facing a strong

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wind now, as well as the tide, which is why you have got these

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waves. How is it going? It is getting more difficult to get the

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arms above the water. I am barely kicking any more, which isn't great.

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There is only two kilometres left. Now Toby is absolutely cream

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Congratulations, mate. As you came round, you put a little sprint on.

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I was going on adrenalin and determination. I will let you go

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and get warmed up. Thanks a lot. Thank you.

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As fun as that looks, remember that while swimming is dangerous, and

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you should seek expert advice. we said, David Walliams is on day

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three of his win down the Thames for Big Splash to raise money for

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Sport Relief. He gave us an update at lunchtime it. I have had the

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darkest time on the swim so far. I was quite surprised they let me

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going, because I am not well. Just very odd to move your body through

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the water when you feel like you're going to throw up. I just do not

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want to give up. Well, I sort of do. If there were no consequences, if I

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could just stop and nobody would mind, I would. But I would be

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letting people down. Oh, dear! a trouper. It is not just about

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physical endurance, it is mental endurance as well. He is still

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going for it. He started this morning in Abingdon, and the latest

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is that his team has reached Wallingford. So he is still going,

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doing very well. Please show all the support you can. I will be down

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there tomorrow. You are welcome to join us on the writ and give him

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support. There is a number you can texts to give a donation. How does

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the thought of swimming 140 miles down the 10 is a strike you? Well,

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first of all, you are swimming in sludge. That is correct. I would

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rather eat tones! Well, we will move on to chicken! Although the

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number of free range eggs purchased in the UK is on the rise, there are

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still an estimated 6 million battery hens in cramped conditions.

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And don't I know about it! Thanks to new EU legislation, their cages

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are about to get bigger, but not Scrambled, boiled, fried or poached,

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we love eggs, and while free range is growing in popularity, around

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half of the 11 billion that the aplastic came from battery farm

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hens. -- that we ate last year. By the end of next year, traditional

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battery cages like these will be illegal under European law. And

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that means big changes for many British poultry farmers. Duncan is

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currently moving 120,000 hens on his Cheshire farm out of the old-

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style battery cages. This is quite a sight, how many chickens have you

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got? In this particular shed, 25,000. So this is a battery cage.

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Yes, they are 60 centimetres wide. Every bird has 10 centimetres. They

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have 550 square centimetres inside the cage. They have access to two

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water points, so they have continual water. All the eggs roll

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forward on to these belts. If we go to the far end of the shed, they go

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down into the grading room. Next stop, a shed filled with pens in

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brand new cages. There are now 60 rather than six per cage. It may

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look cramped, but each bird has twice as much space and access to

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Stepping into here, I did initially think, it looks very similar, but I

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can say that they are moving around a lot more, they have got more

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space. They can all move about, they can flap their wings, as they

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showed. The hens are a lot happier in there. All in all, I think it is

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a far better system. Animal welfare organisations say the new cages,

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known as enriched colony systems car and an improvement but only a

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marginal one. The confinement is less extreme, there is

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consideration for the needs of the hens, but it is still a cage. We

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always urge consumers to look out for free range for organic. If you

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want to be sure the hens have had the kind of life that they should

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have, that is what you should do. According to compassion in World

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farming, this would only add two pens under the cost of each egg,

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but farmers say they are struggling to meet the expense of the new

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cages. It is estimated that it will cost the industry around �400

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million to convert from the old battery system to the new enriched

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colonies system in order to meet the EU deadline. Given the huge

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costs involved, it is no surprise that some European countries are

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lagging behind. The fear is that in some parts of Europe, illegal egg

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production in a old-style battery cages will continue after the

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deadline, putting British farmers at a disadvantage. While boxes of

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these eggs are highly unlikely to end up on our supermarket shelves,

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the worry is that they could find their way into Britain through

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other routes. There is a particular concern about the eggs that are

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used in manufacturing are things like cakes and in catering. Our

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government has a responsibility to ensure that these products are not

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important. Duncan fears that an influx of cheap continental eggs

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could force British poultry farmers out of business. A my concern is

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that if illegal eggs come from abroad, they will undercut our

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market. We just cannot afford to allow the price to be pushed down

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by illegal eggs coming in. Farmers here won the European Commission to

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introduce a European ban preventing eggs produced in battery cages

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being traded across national boundaries.

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Joan, the EU making life as good as they can for battery hens, but

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there is other legislation that you are concerned about, the world of

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light bolts. Can you and light and as? Well, the EU has said they want

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to get rid of the 60 watt and 100 watt light bulbs that you just

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screw in. You have got a little thing that goes in like that. They

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want to replace them with these twisty ones, whatever they are

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called. That is right. They are filled with mercury, if they break.

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They are difficult to get rid of, and the light is appalling, I

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cannot read by them. If I go to a hotel and they have those, because

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a lot of them have them, you cannot read. I do not understand why we

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have to go along with everything the EU says, because some of their

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rules and regulations, like bananas have to be a certain shape,

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cucumbers have to be a certain length... Don't get me started on

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that! We could be here for hours, it is a big deal for me. I love

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wonky vegetables. It is nice. Your book is full of opinions along

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those lines, but it is not a novel, A Biography, not a self-help book.

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How would you describe it? It is a light-hearted look as the way the

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world is today, according to me and my opinions about a lot of things

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that bother me at that I do not like, and a lot of things I do like.

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It has quite a few anecdotes and amusing stories about people I have

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met. It is not the story of my life at all. I touched on things like

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make-up and men and morals and manners and values. Airports and

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hotels! We love that side of you, the honesty. Do you? It is clear

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that you have a lot of wisdom to share. So we have been out and

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about, talking to members of the public who need your help, so for

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one night only, it is time to moan Hello, John, how are you doing,

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love? Troubles with rioting, how do we stop it? I think it is a very

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tricky question. I think that the riots, although our lot of the kids

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that were riding were like feral you this, there were a lot of

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criminals involved, and apparently at the end of a lot of streets

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there were people who were receiving television sets and

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clothes and all kinds of things. I do not know how to stop the rioting.

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Hopefully it has stopped. What I say in my book is that these kids

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today have so much more than my generation had. We did not have

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anything. We did not have television, we had record players

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and radios, but we amused ourselves. To hear children from 11 up to 18

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saying, we are bored, we do not have anything to do. They have more

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things to amuse themselves today, with things like that, the internet

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and the television and videos and DVDs and everything. We have

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another question for you. This is Annabel. Some thing that really

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annoys me is when I'm walking down the street and I smile at somebody

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and they do not smile back. What has happened to manners in his day

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and age? The she wants to know about Mahler's Fourth of it

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happened to me today. I was walking around the park. I smiled at a

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gentleman who had a dog, and he did not smile back. Who was that man?!

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I cannot believe it! Maybe men are a bit short-sighted! Yes, manners,

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I do have a long chapter about manners in my book. I think mothers

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do not seem to exist any more. When I go to a talk, I expect a man to

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open it for me. My husband always does and always would. If I open it

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myself, he gets cross. And I expect somebody to carry my bags if I am

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at the airport. And I just think the whole thing has just turned

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into a mess, a mess, really. Quickly to Sarah in a charity

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Hello, Joan. I have a nine-year-old daughter. How do I teach her to be

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glamourous without being unnecessarily sexy? That is a very

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interesting point up, because I know a lot of little girls want to

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look sexy. She should not wear anything too short. When I say

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short, I'm in thigh-length. And she should not wear anything too low or

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with slogans on that's a "I and sexy" or "I want a boyfriend".

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moment to, we will make Rav's dreams come true and let her -- him

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sit very close to Joan. Be for that, he takes us back to a

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time when a particular scientific breakthrough changed modern

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policing forever. Twenty-five years ago, a double

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murder case had Leicestershire police stumped. 15-year-old Dawn

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Ashworth had been raped and murdered in the village of Enderby.

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Police believed it was linked to Lynda Mann's murder three years

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earlier. A young local man had confessed to dawn's murder, but he

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had no link to the earlier case. A confession alone was not enough to

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secure a conviction. Police needed corroborating evidence, but after

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months of painstaking investigation, they had drawn a blank. In the end,

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it was not traditional detective work that identified Dawn's killer.

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A new scientific technique gave them their breakthrough, a

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technique which would change the way we fight crime forever. It

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would come to be known as DNA fingerprinting or profiling. It was

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the brainchild of Alec Jeffreys, who at the time of the

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investigation was researching how DNA, the molecule that makes up our

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genes, varies from one person to another. In 1984, we discovered a

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way of getting variable bits of DNA, which by accident provided the

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technology of DNA fingerprinting and opened a fantastic door on the

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world of human DNA identification. Be in a is a long string of code.

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Jefferies found a way to identify parts of the code that are unique

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to an individual. He used X-rays to visualise the results. These are

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DNA fingerprints from the very first case in the world to be

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tackled at this level. On this X- ray, each column represents one

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person's DNA. It is their DNA fingerprint. None of the columns

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match completely, showing that samples have been taken from

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different individuals. When I first came up with this technology in

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1984, I said, maybe we could use these front edification. At that

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point, about half the audience thought I had lost the plot. In a

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surely, his breakthrough was used to resolve paternity and

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immigration cases. Its crime solving potential was spotted by

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David Baker, the man leading the Leicestershire murder investigation.

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He recruited Mr Jefferies and sent him DNA samples from both cases

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along with that of the man who had confessed to one of the murders.

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established that Buckland was not the guilty party. What did that

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mean to you? Did it throw you, or was what you expected? Be it was

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not what we expected. There was a lot of heart-searching when we

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thought we had got a confession from Buckland. Our first task was

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to get him released. This was an important result, but it left the

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case without a single suspect. There was no such thing as a DNA

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database in the 1990s, so in another pioneering move, the police

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carried out the first mass DNA screening. All local miles between

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16 and that five were called upon to give a sample. It we had sent

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them a letter inviting them to come in, and asked them to bring some

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form of identification so that we could check firstly to the

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identification and the invitation and then take the blood sample.

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end police got a lucky break. In this pub, a local was overheard

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bragging that a man called Colin pitchfork had paid him to take his

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ID and give a sample on his behalf. Police arrested Colin Pitchfork.

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His DNA sample was taken, and they got a result. A pitchfork's unique

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DNA profile matched that taken from the murder scene. It proved beyond

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all doubt that Colin Pitchfork was the culprit. He became the first

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man to be convicted on the basis of DNA evidence. You pretty much

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single-handedly changed worldwide policing. You must be so proud.

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am, but if I had not done this, I was just the lucky guy who was in

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the right place at the right time with the right idea. Since the

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conviction of Colin Pitchfork, major cases like the sewer murders

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and the abduction of shown Matthews have been solved with the help of

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DNA. And millions of DNA profiles have been created to settle

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paternity and immigration disputes as well as to identify victims of

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war. But as a former police officer, I know the impact that DNA

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profiling and the national DNA database has on fighting crime. It

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is now a frontline tool relied on by police all over the world.

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Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys was playing down his discovery somewhat.

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I know! I said, you have revolutionised policing, and he

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said, someone else would have done it. It changed the world. I and it

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only happened in the '80s. You would think it had been around for

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ages. Now we are on the verge of another breakthrough? A very

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exciting one. When I joined the police, it would take weeks to get

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a DNA result back. Now I have heard we could have results within an

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hour, which would really change policing. How? If you take a

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burglary. You might find blood left behind by the burglar, who has

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stolen the property. If you can get to that burglar's house within an

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hour, with the property that would be sold on, that is fantastic.

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to make his work, there will need to be a massive database of DNA.

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How do you feel about this, Joan? It is a tricky subject. Could they

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do other things with that DNA? Could it be stolen and cloned? They

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might be able to make another Matt Baker. Is that such a bad thing?

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Maybe it is like babies having to be inoculated. They could do it

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when a baby is born. It is one of the ideas that has been bounced

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around. Saliva is one of the best body fluids. But it would be very

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expensive. But if the EU say we have got to do it... Don't get has

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started on that! But Joan, you are no stranger to databases. You are

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probably on a customs list somewhere, because you get into

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other. I once got into trouble with Customs. I had been in Paris,

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making a movie. I had been there for three months and came back with

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my 11-month-old daughter, and her nanny and her sister, and I had

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lots of suitcases. Valentino had made need lots of dresses. As it to

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the concierge, please send these to my house in the south of France. He

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did not, and the next thing that happened was that the customs man

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opened it and found all these beautiful dresses. He said, what is

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this? I said, this is a mistake. And I went bright red and felt

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guilty. He started taking out everything - my underwear,

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stockings... And there were people going by with cameras. Luckily,

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this was before cellphones, but they took pictures. I was there for

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two hours and they put me on a database for about four years.

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Talking of taking photos, all week Jamie Crawford has been inspiring

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viewers to get out with their cameras. These have been sent to us

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without asking for them. I love this photograph. This is a

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beautiful one of a robin red breast from Jess Stuart Smith. And this is

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from Mike Davies. Jamie Crawford would be proud.

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Tonight, he is off in search of the dragonfly.

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Some of the most amazing sights in nature are so tiny that they can

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barely be seen by the naked eye. Like the intense colours on a

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butterfly wing. All the fine hairs on a spider. But I want to get some

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of the most amazing eyes in nature. Almost as big as their heads,

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dragonflies have up to 30,000 lenses, so they can see 360 degrees

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at the same time. Macro photography is like looking through the world

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through a microscope in tiny detail. You need to get up close. And

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personal. It will not be easy, as dragonflies can wash by at around

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15 miles an hour. So I have drafted in wildlife photographer Ross

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Hoddinott, who specialises in macro and dragonflies. When are they up

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to? As soon as the sun warms up. Once their bodies are warm, there

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are active. Then it is a lottery whether you can get close enough.

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If you fancy having a go, flowers are a great thing to practise on,

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as they don't fly away.... Photography of flowers is not

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without its difficulties. biggest challenge is the shallow

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depth of field you have to work with when you shoot I magnification

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so. It means it is hard to get the whole subject in focus, so a tripod

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is useful, but not always practical. It is such a tiny focus, that you

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just have to hold your breath. A standard 50 mm lenses find the

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things you can get close to, but the dragonflies, it is good to have

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a bit more oomph. It is 6:30am, and today I have the real deal. It is a

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180 mm lens, which means I can get about a metre away from them, but

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still take close-up photographs without disturbing them.

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Dragonflies are cold-blooded, which is why they slow down at night.

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They had for long weeds and grass is to hide from predators. With his

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eagle-eyed, boss finds a close relative of the dragonfly, A damsel

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fly. It is important that your camera is parallel to the subject.

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Keep the insect in focus. Dragonflies perch with their wings

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outstretched, while the dainty red damselfly tucks them back at rest.

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I am pleased with these shots and more that determined than ever to

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find a dragonfly. There the next hour, although we see plenty of

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wildlife, it is not the right sort. Or it is too fast. A flying

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dragonfly, not a stationary one. It is really warm now, and active. But

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I am finding them easier to spot, especially as they seem to like the

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warmth of this fence. I have to be stealthy. Look at that. That is

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good. This is exciting. That is an amazing bright red. Or it was

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amazingly bright red. But then I spot one landing. And with Ross's

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tips in mind, I am getting level with the subject. Please don't

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flyaway. Wow. This is amazing. I am really happy with that photograph.

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Great tips. Even Joan was getting tips. Can we just look at the last

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frame? That dragonfly seems to be smiling! Pappy to be on the Cher.

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Joan, you have been on the front cover of over 700 magazines?

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first one was when I was 17, a long time ago. And when I was doing

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Dynasty, I was on magazine covers constantly. I did a couple only

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last month. Talking of a Dynasty, we know Dallas is being remade with

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some of the original cast members. Will Dynasty come backwards fact --

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will it come back? Unfortunately, John Forsythe, who played Blake, is

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dead. You would have wanted the three of us. They have been talking

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about it, but they are waiting to see how the public received Dallas.

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It has been a pleasure to have you on. That is all for tonight. Thanks

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again to Joan. Her book, The World According To Joan, is available to

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buy exclusively at Sainsbury's. Thank you also to Anita. Tomorrow,

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