11/02/2014 The One Show

Hello, and welcome to The One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker.

Tonight 's guest comes from one of the most dangerous places in

television drama. Over the years it has clocked up hundreds of deaths,

meaning it boasts a murder rate twice that of London. Good job his

character is such a sleuth! It is Midsomer Murders' DCI Barnaby, Neil

bludgeon! You are coming up to your 100th episode tomorrow. You off to

one of the most remarkable places for your episode. It was an idea for

a celebration for the 100 episode, to go somewhere where we don't

normally go. Someone came up with the idea of Denmark. I think because

there are similarities between Midsomer and Denmark. The show has

always been tremendously popular there, and been supported by the

people of Denmark. Apparently, 80% of households in Denmark own and

Midsomer Murders DVDs. Are you sure? Not that I am taking anything

away from Midsomer Murders! That is impressive. We will be talking to

kneel all about Midsomer Murders later. We will also be meeting a man

whose book was adapted by George Clooney for a Hollywood blockbuster

that is out on Friday. Monuments Men. In Midsomer, there has been a

total of 281 murders, a rate that has not gone up or down during year

this -- during a 17 year history of the series. Those crime figures are

bad, but with a bit of fiddling, you can make them sound better. That is

what has been happening in the real world.

What did you just see there? A robbery or a theft? The difference

is that robbery involves either threatened or actual violence to

steal. Theft just means you have served -- you have had something

nicked, and is a less serious crime. If you were that Victims' Code would

you be happy to know that what was initially labelled a robbery was

later downgraded to theft? That has been happening for years. There is

an enquiry under way right now investigating practices crime

recording. Former and current police officers are baring all and giving

evidence about how some crimes have been deliberately misreported to

keep crime stats down. Chris Hobbs is a retired detective from the

Metropolitan Police, and in his career, saw figure fiddling White

from the start. Coughing is what the police called downgrading of a

crime. So a woman and is walking down the street, and someone takes

her phone off her. What would that go down as? It will almost certainly

go down as theft. The ranking officers might want it to go down as

robbery, because she is in fear of violence being inflicted on her.

This happens time and time again, and it infuriates rake and file

officers. This isn't the only time it happens. Give me another one. So

an attempted burglary, which might be shown by marks around the door

frame or the window. It will be recorded as criminal damage, not an

attempted burglary. This practice has been going on for decades.

Officers had to report attempted burglaries as criminal death inch.

There have been 178 performance driven targets issued to police

across England and Wales. Some say this encourages police to downgrade

crimes and get cases closed as soon as the, even if the crimes are not

solved. Picture this - you are in a shop, and without noticing, someone

dips into your bag and steals your purse. By the time you notice, the

thief has gone. What would you call this, a theft or a lost? Carrie had

her purse taken last year. I was on a bus, and I realised my pursed had

gone. The police wanted to report it as lost rather than stolen, but I

knew that I had my purse on the bus and I didn't lose it on there. So it

had been stolen. If I were to report again, I would wonder if the crime

would be reported as it was or something different. Cuffing not the

only way of mass gene statistics. There was also something called

nodding. It is where you might get a burglar out of prison for a day, and

you take him round lots of places where a burglary has been committed,

and he says, yes, I did that. As a result, he could get leniency in

court and close open investigations. In South Wales,

detectives were disciplined after they got a 17-year-old prisoner out

and got him to admit to crimes. Another method is skewing, where

forces put effort into solving crimes they know they are being

monitored on, often leaving other crimes to suffer. You were there for

30 years. Why didn't you say anything earlier? Officers over

decades have been frightened to speak out over manipulation of crime

figures, because they feel they will be the one who suffers. It is a

ridiculous situation that needs to be addressed. Now the College of

Policing has announced it is going to introduce national training to

ensure more consistent crime reporting. Forces across England and

Wales will record crimes as we, the taxpayer, expect them to.

Unbelievable. I'm sure a lot of people watching will be dumbfounded.

We have seen all of these headlines over the last month or so.

Obviously, that is not per. Ray. And lots of conflicting headlines. Let

me tell you about the Crime Survey for England and Wales, which has

retained its kitemark. They don't get their stats from the police,

they get them from talking to members of the public, victims of

crime. They interviewed 50,000 households, and even the Met Police

says the information they get is can still stubbornly different and

demonstrates a different -- difference between the figures of

police and the experience of people. They found that household

crime is down by 10%, personal crime is down 9%, but shoplifting is up

4%. That has come from them. They get to talk to people and they get a

very different experience, and they hear about things like domestic

abuse, things that people will not open up about when talking to the

police. So there is going to be an enquiry, but what do they hope to

achieve? This has been requested by the Home Affairs Select Committee.

It is going to be undertaken by the HMIC, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of

Constabulary. They will investigate crime data and its integrity, and

they will do that in a number of ways. They will go to control rooms,

referrals to specialist investigation departments, or

directly to officers and speak to them, and really get into the

nitty-gritty. The first release of the information will come to us in

spring, but the full report will be out in the autumn. We saw an

ex-policeman talking there, but what have the actual police force said

about this? Way got in touch with all of the forces in England and

Wales. Most replies. Most of them said that accurate crime stats were

essential and that work is going on to make crime stats more

transparent. The Met have spoken to us and they say they do not support

the inappropriate downgrading of crimes, and they have a number of

processes in place to ensure that crime is classified correctly. They

say they are looking into the allegations that have been made, and

they refused that attempted burglary is routinely recorded as criminal

budget -- criminal damage to lower crime stats. Thank you. It will be

interesting to see what happens to those statistics in the coming

years. This week, Midsomer Murders, the crime drama that is enjoyed in

225 countries, is set to end -- to celebrate its 100th episode. But

this time, some of the action takes place abroad, and sees DCI Barnaby

getting to grips with some of his Nordic counterparts. Hello. Let's

get started. We will take your sergeant to the crime scene. You and

I will go to the morgue. I would like to go to the factory. Nonsense.

You will come to the morgue. Come, come.

Very good! You were telling us that you decided to go to Denmark for the

100th, but what is the plot? What happens? I cannot really tell you!

Marvellously, the episode does open in Denmark, in Copenhagen, which is

quite surprising. It is very beautiful. There is a man there with

a tin of biscuits, and it turns out that it relates to somewhere in

Midsomer. The Danish police have to get in touch with us about something

related to it, so myself and Nelson go around investigating what has

happened around the biscuit factory. This is a bit of a mash up between

The Killing and Borgen in, and Midsomer. Are your producers joining

forces? Yes, our producer rang somebody in Denmark and asked them

if they would be interested, and they said yes. Amazingly - I think

this is true - for all of their marvellous work, I think they're

number one TV show is Midsomer Murders! I think there are

similarities between the Danish character and the British

character, and the Midsomer Murders middling glint of thing seems to

appeal. Terribly well mannered and reserved, but when you get into it,

you find that everybody is lying and embezzling and having affairs, and

there is a murder every week. You turn over the stone and you show

things wriggling about underneath. So you said that 80% of Danish

households have a DVD of Midsomer Murders. What sort of reception did

you get? Several times we were trying to film, and people walking

by would do a double-take and stop. We were outside a building that we

saw as the police headquarters that is featured in The Killing, and our

photographer said, can we have you two and the Danish women in a shot.

So we arranged ourselves, and the entire Danish crew were there with

their phones out, getting pictures of us. They were very excited about

it, and so will we. I am looking forward to seeing this! Midsomer

Murders, the killings of Copenhagen -- Midsomer Murders: The Killings At

Copenhagen is on tomorrow night. We actually had our own Danish mystery

in the studio, because we knew you were coming on. We know you like

Danish pastries. We got used three, but they have disappeared without a

trace! It is remarkable. Time to look at the evidence now. We know

nothing else about the pastries, just that they were left on that

horrible plate. We have collared three suspects. Look at them. They

look guilty as it is! These were the only people around the studio this

afternoon. We took their statements earlier. Have a listen. The clues

are there. I am Bob, the One Show security guard, and I keep an eye on

the studio. They do call me Sweet Tooth, but I swear it wasn't me!

Honest! At about 3pm, I heard the bell ring, so I left the studio to

see who it was, but there was no one there. When I came back, the

pastries had gone! I Magdalena, and I am here from Austria on a work

experience exchange, but I know nothing about this pastry which they

are in such a whirl about. I don't know who is the nasty fees, but I

couldn't have eaten it. I'm allergic to nuts. And anyway, this afternoon,

I was putting up the pretzels in the green room. I am Larry, the One Show

stylist. It is my job to make everything look witty, including

myself. That's why it wouldn't be me who took the pastry. I've been on a

diet since Christmas, and I have lost ?10. Can't you tell? And I

would not put a pastry on a cruddy bit of crockery like that. So, was

it Bob? Was it Magdalena? Or was it a Larry? Are these not on the plate?

Did somebody say they were allergic to nuts? Magdalena did say she was.

Are you saying it is her? OK. Would the guilty party please step

forward? Yes! You were right. Was that the clue I was supposed to get?

It was. She gave herself away. I could do this for a living. That was

like a property detective! But how did she know there were nuts on the

Danish if she had not taken it? That was the point, because it was pecan

and maple. Now, lit Friday sees the cinematic

release of The Monuments Men, a film about a unit who played an important

part in World War II. Gyles has been to meet the last surviving British

member of the team. We have been task with the finding and protecting

of over 5 million pieces of stolen art.

The Monuments Men is based on the true story of the greatest treasure

hunting history, hand-picked not for their military prowess, but for

their artistic expertise, this allied front-line unit was on a

mission to track down and rescue priceless cultural masterpieces

looted by the Nazis during World War II. That is what Hitler wants. That

is exactly what we are fighting for. The Monuments Men is shorthand for

the monuments fine arts and art programme of the civil affairs and

military government sections of the Allied armies. The title was

monumental, as many of the stolen works of art they were tasked with

liberating. Today, in the National Gallery, you can see one

particularly fine example that the Nazis hid away in a salt mine. What

a lovely picture. It is painted by an Italian artist from about 1470.

Here, we see St George tracking down the Dragon, about to rescue the

princess. This painting belonged to a family who were victims of the

campaign of terror and had their entire art collection seized. It was

destined for Hitler's fewer Museum, part of his grand mission to

transform his Austrian childhood home into a third Reich capital of

culture. Even in the last days of the war, he was still looking at

models of Linz in his bunker in Berlin . All complete fantasy, of

course, as Europe was burning around him. These pictures were still in

the salt mine, waiting to go to that projected grand gallery he wanted to

build. Until the arrival of monuments men? Yes. They came and

made inventor is of the paintings they found and then took them to

collecting points where the rightful owners could claim the picture back.

This was just one of more than 5 million treasures salvaged by The

Monuments Men. Undertaking this Herculean challenge with 345 museum

curators, art historians and architects from 13 countries. More

than 50 of them were British, but only one lives to tell the tale. He

is not a monuments man. She is a monuments woman. This is the home of

the last surviving British member of this fascinating organisation.

97-year-old Ann Olivia Bell. You are the last of The Monuments Men. And

you are a woman! In 1944, Ann's background as an art history student

at a prestigious institute put her on the radar for the monuments work.

I was working in the Ministry of information and I met a friend of

mine at a party who used to lecture to me when I was a student. He

said, I think you would be interested in this, monuments and

fine arts. In October 1945, weeks after the fall of the four -- third

Reich, Ann began coordinating the operation at its headquarters in

southern Germany . There was a good deal of acquisition of foreign

goods. And you were accountable the information together? That's right.

In 2007, Ann and The Monuments Men were awarded a National humanities

medal by the American government. I was presented with this little

flag. It is the stars and stripes. Why have you never under mid? I was

told that nobody could do it up as neatly as this except American

sailors. The mini mince men -- The Monuments Men have not just been

recognised by Hollywood and the American government. 70 years after

helping liberate works of art, this year Ann was given an MBE in the new

year honours list for her services to the arts.

And I'm delighted to say that, the author of the book that The

Monuments Men is a storm, joins us now. You have interviewed many of

The Monuments Men to compile your blog, so how true is the Hollywood

movie to what you wrote? It respects the overarching principles of the

story, which is the important part. People will know it was an American

and British led operation trying to protect works of art on a scale that

had never done in history. Men and women were willing to risk their

lives. Two were killed in combat. One was British and another and

American . In the cause of this treasure hunt, trying to find these

works of art, they found some 5 million stolen objects that they

spent six years trying to return to the countries from which they were

looted. It begs the question, is art worth a life? For more detail, it is

in the book. Let's look at the mechanics of the organisation. How

did The Monuments Men know what works of art were missing and who

the rightful owners were? These middle-aged museum directors and

curators that were The Monuments Men were originally responsible for

trying to preserve things and work with the armies and S4C 's. But by

the time they got into Paris and found thousands of apartments looted

by the Nazis, some of which were Jewish properties, and then they

arrived in cities like Bruges to find Michelangelo's work stolen. It

became a work of art detectives, tried to track down millions of

things stolen by the Nazis, gathering clues and scraps of

information that ultimately led the discovery of thousands of salt mines

where they were hidden. And there were catalogues. When was this one

on earth? 2007. 39 were found at a castle by American forces. Everyone

thought that was it. Since then, four albums have emerged from

American soldiers that pick them up as souvenirs from Hitler's home.

What a souvenir! This is the most pernicious part, this inventory

schedule, which lists the family it was stolen from, the name of the

painter and the work of art. And then you see this wonderful

calligraphy in each of these albums. This is photo album six, and inside

is the photograph. These are photographs of works of art stolen

by the Nazis. And then Hitler would flip through these catalogues,

making decisions about what is of art he wanted. We now know so much

because of what you started to an earth. Where did you initially hear

about this? In 1996, I moved to France and started studying art and

architecture. I walked across the only bridge not destroyed by the

Nazis when they fled the city, and I wondered how some of the arts

survived. I was embarrassed that it never occurred to me to wonder. I

asked people and no one else knew it, and now here we are with this

remarkable film and its cast of actors. It is remarkable. So that is

Hitler's actual book? He once held it on my lap like me. Thanks very

much. The Monuments Men is in cinemas from this Friday. One quote

that stuck with me from that movie was that you can take our houses,

but you cannot take our achievements. It could be said that

we owe a lot to The Monuments Men and women who rescued those precious

works of art for future generations. It could also be said that a

generation of Jewish museums are huge amount to a man who pioneered

the sound of something called skiffle -- British musicians.

Today's folk rockers were huge debt to hero of mine who inspired people

in the 1950s to make their own instrument and create a new British

sound. This musical revolution was spearheaded by one man called Lonnie

Donegan. Without Lonnie Donegan, there would be no Beatles, no

Rolling Stones, no British invasion of America and I would still be

working in a petrol station in Ilford. Here at the studios in

London, Lonnie Donegan recorded a track in 1954. The skiffle sound was

rough and ready, and folk musician Martin Carty still remembers the

first time he heard the single. One of the kids in my class said, have

you heard this record? I said no. So I decided I had to get it. It was

all new then. Rock 'n' roll was naughty. It was slightly

disgraceful. Lonnie may have looked well groomed and tie beyond TV, but

his skiffle 's style was raw and energetic, completely different to

the music of his parents' era. He mobilised a generation to start

making music from anything they could get their hands on. He made me

want to play the guitar. Lonnie bought his first guitar is 15.

During military service in Vienna, he fell in love with the blues and

folk music he heard on American forces radio. These records featured

home-made instruments that produced the unpolished sound that became

known as skiffle. Wanted a skiffle band constitute? Guitars, a packing

case. There was a washboard. Any instrument that was to hand and

stuff that was not management. Lonnie Donegan's track was recorded

here in the studio when he was playing in Chris Barber's jazz band.

When the band ran out of gas numbers, Lonnie suggested they

record a skiffle version, a track made famous by a legendary American

blues singer. With the wonders of modern technology, I have the

original track here. Now let's listen to Lonnie Donegan's version.

The difference is that the original keeps a steady rhythm, whereas

Lonnie gets up a head of steam and someone's away with him. That is the

fun of it, tearing it up. Lonnie had to wait a year for the record to be

released, but when it was, it went old. Teenagers could not get enough

of his skiffle sound. Lonnie was the one who, as far as I was concerned,

was number one. Lonnie Donegan went on to have three number one hits.

The skiffle crazy popularised was shortly, but his influence on a new

generation stretched foreign white. Lonnie did not think he got the

credit he deserved for inventing skiffle and kicking off the British

beat movement. I agree, he should be up there with the Beatles and the

Rolling Stones and Elvis in the rock 'n' roll Hall of fame. He used to

British music, that is kind of true. British music, that is kind of true.

# Let the midnight special shine a light on me.

Amazing what you can do with a wash board. That is all for this

evening. A big thank you to Neil and Robert. We are back tomorrow with a

special on the flooding, and Shane Ritchie will be here. If you are

still reporting on the weather Tom tell us about it. Bye.