12/02/2013 The One Show

Hello, welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker... And Alex Jones.

Tonight's guest has had loads of hard challenges in his career.

came second in Strictly Come Dancing. That is really hard.

won Celebrity MasterChef. Very hard. In 2003 he helped England win the

Rugby World Cup and the Six Nations Grand Slam. Extremely hard!

Question of Sport he picks his intellect against Phil Tufnell.

Well, everybody needs a break now and again. It's Matt Dawson!

wondered where that was going. have noticed that Tuffers seems to

have a better team on Question of sport than you. Is that trying to

level the playing field? I don't know about that. The perception is

that he plays the clown, but you know that. But he's very, very

bright. Lots of strings to his bow. Now, you will recognise this. This

is the Six Nations championship trophy. We will be asking who are

you think, a painful question for me, who you think will lift it on

March 16th. Hold on a minute, it's not over yet, is it? Far from over.

Massive game in Cardiff on the 16th. Triple Crown. We will also be

finding out who you think will be holding the good old wooden spoon.

It comes in very handy on Pancake Day. You are going to need this

later in the show. Yes, you are going to be making a pancake four

hours later on. It will be edible, as well. -- for us. We changed the

hob. What are we cooking on instead? It's a better one. Here is

someone with some tips. Anita Rani is worth a Michelin star pancake

I have been allowed into the kitchens of Le Gavroche. I am with

the owner and chef, Michel Roux Jnr. We are going to be taught how to

make the ultimate pancake. Thank you for letting us in, by the way.

I know it is very busy. What is the difference between a pancake and a

crepe? A pancake is the American style, it normally has baking

powder in it. It is fluffy, big and you serve it with bacon and maple

syrup. A crepe is a delicate pancake. It is thin. You can see

through it. Fair enough. I would still call it a pancake. But you

are the professional. While you are cooking away, let's talk about the

new series of Food and Drink. I saw it last night and thoroughly

enjoyed it. Why bring it back after 10 years? It was such an iconic

programme. An amazing programme. I remember seeing it as a kid and it

was something special. We kind of revived it. We brushed it up and

gave it a fresh look. It still has those core values. What sets it

apart from the other plethora of food shows? It's not a competition.

It is not MasterChef. It is not me going around the country and

cooking different recipes. It is about topical subjects and drink,

of course, which is very important, I think. You do cover topical

issues. One that you have not managed to film because it is a

very topical is the horsemeat scandal. How would you have dealt

with that, being a French chef? Being French, I don't have a

problem with eating horse. It is not to our tastes here, but the

real point of the scandal for me is labelling, it was not labelled

probably. That needs improving. Let's have a taste of what is

coming up next week on Food and Drink. The secret to making perfect

trips is to wash the starch off first and double fried. What

temperature? 160. We are just cooking them until they are soft,

just to get a skin on it. We let them rest and core. Just before we

need them, they go back in at 180. Crunchy and soft. I noticed that

you were cooking British trips, proper chips. In your opinion, and

think carefully about it, who is at the forefront of cooking, the

British or the French? It's easy! We are in a French restaurant.

but we are in London. The majority of the staff working for me are

British. Does that answer your question? You are being very

diplomatic. Shall we try the pancake? It looks incredible.

Pancake or crepe? Matt Dawson has a question, while we are eating less.

I am holding a wooden spoon. I know you have plenty of them, do you

think he will have another one in March, with the French rugby team?

I don't like that question, I really don't. Coming from you, I am

surprised. He worked for me in this kitchen. U-bend something and

served it to my father and my uncle. That is a slight exaggeration, it

was ever so slightly scorched. It went brilliantly well, apart from

one corner was slightly caramelised. One corner?! Apparently they are

still talking about it. The family cannot get over it. Thank you very

much. I'm going to try this. Quickly,

You did deliver quite a desert? was truly amazing, working in Le

Gavroche, at 7am, all of the preparation for one dish. I was

only doing it for one. How these guys do it, it is off the scale. We

had Albert, Michel Roux Jnr, all four of them. I just pushed a

little bit of cream away, he said, that looks burnt, take it away.

Shall we actually see it? haven't got it? Of course we have.

I really enjoyed it. And puddings are not my thing, at all. Forget

That is what you do, nowadays? Since doing that show, most of my

workout side of the Rugby and Question of Sport, it has been in

food. I work for a food company that originally came from France.

Health and well-being, that is where I am at the moment with food.

I enjoy it. Last year, the 100 anniversary of the sinking of the

Titanic was commemorated with television programmes and memorial

events the world over. But 40 years after the tragedy is another

maritime disaster that is less well known.

This is the last moving footage of the Princess Victoria. On 31st

January, 1953, she set off, as usual, from Stranraer in Scotland

to Northern Ireland. On board were 51 crew, 126 passengers and 110

bags of mail. In 1953, the mail boat always sailed, whatever the

weather. Billy McAllister was only 17. He was a galley boy in the

kitchen and this was his first job at sea. We left at about 7.45. It

wasn't bad. You could see what it was like outside. This was a storm

on a national scale. Hurricane force winds combined with high

tired to devastating effect. Across the country, 307 people lost their

lives. 32,000 were made homeless. As soon as the Princess Victoria

left the shelter, she was exposed to 50 foot swells and battered by

gale-force wind. At 9am, just 10 minutes after leaving the loch, a

huge wave forced its way through the stern doors, leaving it wide

open to the storm. 200 tons of water poured into the car deck.

Morse code was the main link with the land and an emergency signal

was sent. In such stormy conditions, the only hope was the coastguard

tracking the signal and locating the ship. Fatally, and inaccurate

position was given. To make matters worse, the Princess Victoria was

still on the move, pensions pushing her a further into the Irish Sea

and deeper into the teeth of the Tempest. With radar in its infancy,

the Princess Victoria was not tractable. Nobody knew where in the

Irish Sea she was. By 12.20, she was almost on her side. There were

500 tons of water in the car deck. An SOS signal was sent and the

order was given for passengers to put on lifejackets and muster to

the deck. They were tried to get them up, even by roads. And they

would not move. They would not come up. They may be thought it was

safer down there. It was not safe down there. At last, at 12.17, the

coastguard got an accurate bearing on aware that Princess Victoria was.

She was less than 12 miles to the north-north-east of the Copeland

Islands, some 60 miles south of their forlorn search. At the

lifeboat, the Sir Samuel Kelly, was launched to help the ship. Quentin

Nelson's father and five other family members were romanced the

rescue crew. The agency was unbelievable. They were talking

about waves 50 or 60 ft-high. This boat is 40 foot long. A you start

getting a funny feeling that they are not going to get out of this,

you know? The Princess Victoria sent her final SOS, five miles

north of the Copeland Islands and just 15 nautical miles from calmer

I just started running down the side, here. If I had waited any

longer, she would have taken me down with her. There was a lifeboat

and they were shouting, get out of their, jump. I jumped. You've got

to get them first time, you don't get a second attempt. Unfortunately,

these people had a very short time. No women or children survived the

disaster. Of the 170 people that sailed that day, only 44 survived.

I didn't think we were going to make it, because I can't swim.

news cameras were dockside as the rescue crews returned. This boat,

And rescue 33, they went and did a job and did it very well.

inquiry found it had been caused by the inadequacy of the stern doors.

It concluded, if the Princess Victoria had been as staunch as the

men that manned her, all would have been well and the disaster averted.

It seems incredibly sad that the ultimate goal was to deliver the

mail. Matt, let's talk rugby. mean business, don't you?

exciting start to the Six Nations Championship, especially the first

again. Wales lost, but a very exciting start. All right! It was

probably one of the best, if not the best opening weekend in rugby.

Just because of the way that all the teams played, maybe apart from

France. Italy beating France, England doing well against Scotland.

The way that Ireland performed, down in Cardiff, I thought that

Wales were going to be able to play there, you would expect them to win

there. It's a shame that the weekend just gone was slightly...

That was much better! Well, it was better for all sorts. Certainly for

George North. But the weather killed the Ireland and England game.

But for England it showed a huge amount of character to go to

Ireland and to win. On any occasion, that's a fantastic achievement. It

has not been done for 10 years in the Six Nations. You were in the

team the last time it was done. You actually thought that Ireland were

going to beat England? Because of the way they played against Wales,

and they were at home. They are very stingy in defence. They have

superstar players, Brian O'Driscoll and the like. But there was a

little part of me that was thinking, yes, I am quite happy for Ireland

to be the favourites. That is all well and good because this England

team is probably better to be the underdogs at the moment. Now,

winning it, they are going to be the favourites. Brian O'Driscoll

wife had just had a baby, amazing that he was on the picture. My wife

would have killed me! Are you joking? Yes, well done, love, but

I'm just off. Cards on the table, who will be lifting the trophy?

Down in Cardiff? I have narrowed it down! I think it will go down to

that game. Down in Cardiff. Whether Wales win their games and it

becomes a championship decider, if they don't win and it's an England

Grand Slam, Wales will not want to lose to England. That game is guide

to be huge. If Wales win, can you imagine what George North's dad is

going to do? This was him after he Taken off by stewards. Poor dad.

Never mind the stewards, if my dad had done that, my mum would have

been furious. How dare you embarrass the Dawson household.

you say who you think will win? Because of that in Ireland,

definitely go with England. Wooden Spoon? I've given it to Michel

already. The French have had it. They deserve at least one. They are

too busy anyway. Broadcaster Andy Kershaw is known for his love of

music, but he jumped at the chance to go back to his rock star roots.

It could be something to do with this artist's last name. Many areas

of Lancashire like this one in Rochdale, my birthplace, were going

through huge changes. Traditional terraces were being demolished and

families were moving from old housing into new. I remember it as

a fairly drab and dreary place, but one man made it his mission to

bring a little colour to the area. His name was Walter Kershaw. Years

before Banksy and today's artists were grabbing the headlines, he was

pioneering the first British street art, by painting enormous Muirials

on condemned housing in Lancashire. Now in his 70s, Walter still lives

and works in the area that made his name. This territory is my early

mural site. I was looking for dilapidated and ill-maintained

gable ends and I thought my art will be a rebellion against the

dreadfullness of contemporary architecture. That was progress

then? Yeah. All that concrete was progress. Brick walls earmarked for

clearance, provided a perfect canvass for Walter's vivid

imagination. A Spitfire or a beach scene? Complete escapeism! Today,

Walter paints on a much smaller scale, in his studio, surrounded by

memories of muerlz long gone. -- murals long gone. It was really so

much fun doing that and all the community doing that and joining in.

I've tried to get an idea of how do you start one of these things?

would measure it for a start. Then I would do a scaled-up, large

sketch. I would draw on the gable end and design the flowers and take

it along. Politics or sloganising or graffitti as such doesn't appeal

to me. I'm about considering the scale of the building. I consider

the angles and thinking in terms of renaissance and trying to evolve

beautiful painting. What kind of paint were you using? I was using

external paint, which had only just come out in the late 1960s. In 1982,

he completed his biggest project ever. It was at Manchester's

Trafford Park. They are calling it a megamural. It has taken Walter

Kershaw four years to plan and complete the painting on a wall 72

feet high and 63 feet wide. I think at the time it was certainly the

largest mural in Europe, possibly even in the world. They certainly

had the most detail. I wanted to create a great work of art, with

movement and figures and machinery and adaptibility. -- adaptability.

Lost to the wrecking ball and the British weather, none of the

masterpieces have survived. But, today, a gable end in Rochdale is

getting the Kershaw treatment once again. The One Show has arranged

for students from a local college to honour Walter with a mural of

his signature images. Are you excited? Yeah, very much so. Look

at the Spitfire. You put all the witty details if there and the

sense of humour. The cat on the window. Excellent. Well done.

there any bit that needs finishing off? The vase needs finishing.

it? Yeah. In a film in 1976 you said you would want to bring a

little madness to the area. glad that madness is still alive

and ticking here. APPLAUSE

A lovely tribute to Walter. If you're in Rochdale you can see the

mural on 59 Ramsay Street before the wrecking ball gets it and

knocks it down in about four weeks. People will think that's the end of

Neighbours. It's not Harold's house. Matt, I've been a fan of question

of sport for as long as I can -- a fan of A Question of Sport, for as

long as you can remember, but look at the questions. Which Olympic

event is this? Gymnastics. It's the rings. Andy Roddick is renouned for

this. Serve. Yes. Who is this? Jonny Wilkinson. Yes. What is this?

APPLAUSE We'll be seeing that tomorrow night.

Incredible. They make us do some crazy stuff. They don't tell us.

Once they put us on top of a plane and made husband wing walk. That's

right. Whilst we were answering questions. Imagine Phil doing that.

He loved it. It's been on air 42 years and we want to see how many

team captains you can name in 30 seconds. Follow the numbers. Ally

McCoist. Brend and Foster. -- Brendan Foster. Cliff Morgan. Emlyn

Hughes. Frankie Dettori. Fred Trueman. Gareth Edwards. Pass. Heny

Cooper. Ian Botham. Bill Beaumont. Me and Phil Tufnell and, hold on,

I'll get there. Willie Carson. APPLAUSE

Well done. Good effort there. Brilliant. You were doing so well.

Tuffers is at home going... We've seen Michel Roux does his stuff

with the pancake and now we're going to send you over to the

kitchen area. We have an apron and a chef's hat. You've four minutes.

You better get a move on. Whilst he gets cooking here is Lucy on how

lending money to strangers online might make you think about doing it.

You've got a brilliant business idea or perhaps you want to expand

your existing brilliant business. Either way, you need to borrow some

money to make it happen. So, where do you go when you know your idea

is a winner? I know a man who might be able to help. Paul started his

advertising agency 20 years ago with a �2,000 loan from his

business partner's mother. Borrowing money from her was the

last resort. We were too wet behind the years and a bank couldn't take

us seriously. From that, he's now the owner of three companies worth

a cool �32 million. Of course, he paid his invest for back with

interest. Paul's now lending his spare cash to individuals through a

new financing called peer to peer lending. -- peer-to-peer lending.

There are a whole list of companies who are looking to borrow amounts

from �20,000 up to �100,000. there any on here that you think

are really good ideas? There's one particular one at the moment and

it's a car dealership in Leicestershire. They need to get

some more second-hand cars to sell. Will you lend money? Yes. Shall we

do it now? It's a business that wants to borrow �100,000. What you

do is bid for the amount that you want to lend and the interest rate.

This lending works by borrowing lots of little chunks of money from

many different lenders and they choose their own interest rates and

compete by offering slightly lower rates for the money they're

offering. Once the desired loan amount is reached, it goes to the

borrower, who then pays it back over time with interest. I want to

lend �200 and I'll pick an interest rate of 97. Is it pretty

disappointing when your bid hasn't been successful? Yeah. Paul won his

bid the next day, which means he'll make �18 profit on the loan. It

doesn't sound much, but the more you invest then the more interest.

9% is a lot higher than the bank accounts. Old St Andrew's wanted to

diversify. Today, one of its lenders is visiting for the first

time. Bill, what attracted you to this business? I like the way they

presented themselves. I read the company had turned around in four

years and then the production was back from China. It would save

money and better credit terms and quicker deliveries. Is it not

strange that you haven't met? Bill 20 minutes ago. Because it's a

straightforward agreement he knows I can pay and I'm happy to borrow

it. How much did you invest? In the end I think �2,000. Bill has made

�170. That's 8.5% gross profit on his investment with Bob. He's happy

with the investment, but he's not always so lucky. Have you ever lost

money? A very small amount. I think it was a 12-month investment and

they didn't pay the last two. It wasn't a lot. It was under �100.

It's not just businesses borrowing hard cash. Personal loans are

available too. Zopa has overseen millions of pounds worth of loans

over seven years. Anyone with a decent credit rating can borrow for

a new car to a new kitchen, but who's lending all this money?

of our lenders live in the south- east of England. They are lending

on average about �5,000 to �10,000. They are in their late 40s or 50s.

They're not high-network individuals or big investors in

other assets. They are very normal people who are looking for better

deals. What's the catch you may ask? Well, if a bank goes bust your

savings are protected by the Government. What's the protection

for peeve-to-peer lenders? There isn't any. It's a risk and you

could lose the cash you invest. It's a young industry, but so far

losses from bad debts have stayed low, at around 1% or 2%. The risk

lies at an individual level between lenders and borrowers, in that when

you borrow from a lender you might not repay. The way to mitigate that

is to make sure we do the best job we can to credit check and we

spread the risk to make sure you lend lots of small amounts to

individual borrowers. The lenders will suffer some credit losses and

our job is to make sure they suffer less than they're expecting.

appears a quiet revolution is under way and who knows, it might be that

we may not need the high street banks as much in the future. Thank

you very much. How successful would you say that? -- that was?

Considering the equipment and all the rest of it. Don't blame the

tools. Let's look at the flip. This is what happened mid-film.

APPLAUSE I've never felt so much pressure