13/06/2013 The One Show

with Matt Baker and Alex Jones. 40 years ago, to my's guest is met in

New York. It was the start of a relationship that would reduce some

of the most memorable music of the 70s and 80s. 40 million record sales

and six number ones later, Blondie are still going strong.

# Soon turned out, had a heart of Glass

Please welcome Debbie Harry and The interesting thing is that you

were holding your head in your hands. What was that about? I don't

know. What was I thinking? What was I doing? Your fashion is still

relevant today. You made some very good choices. Thank you. Let's go

back to the start when you first set eyes on each other, because you said

there was a psychic connection. can't explain. How can you explain a

psychic connection? It's impossible. It was an affinity,

perhaps. It was very easy. It was wonderfully easy to relate to this

complete stranger in the audience. You said like a silhouette at the

time. He was back lit. Like all of you. Was it anything to do with his

eyebrows. He has great eyebrows. does have very nice eyes. That is

why I wear these! Blondie was formed and the rest is history and you are

on tour this summer. We will talk more later. Ike macro if a child in

your family behaves badly at school and faces permanent exclusion, do

you think they should be put in a more disciplined classroom, or a

more easy-going one? Tony Livesey has visited one place where they

hope a softer approach can help avoid consigning children to the

education scrapheap. This might look like an ordinary classroom but it is

far from it. Most of these kids are on the verge of thing permanently

excluded from school. One of them is 16-year-old Katie. How bad did it

get? Everybody used to wind me up. What did your mum make of it first

remark she was fed up, she was in school more than I was. It was

causing my mum more hassle than it was me. Rathbone 's is one of

several schemes offering another kind of schooling for 11 to

16-year-olds who are not getting on in mainstream education. The

difference is that the teaching style is less formal. And you might

say it is a bit more relaxed. forward to coming here most of the

time, more than school, because you can wear your own clothes and do

what you want. Not what you want, but they will let you go out to the

shop at dinner. At school, you cannot go out and you have to wear

the uniform. It was not the right place for me. Last year, over 5000

children were permanently excluded from state schools in England.

Furthermore, only 1.4% of excluded kids get five good GCSEs including

maths and English. Right, let's have a bit of time out. So, teaching here

certainly has challengers. I will never forget my first day of working

here. I walked into a zoo. That is the only way I can describe it,

really. But I saw something in every one of those young people. Who have

you chosen? Because she is caring. That is a good trait. They have

opted out of school, so how do you make them opt back in again? I give

them belief that whatever they want to achieve in life, they can do

that. Two of the puppies open their eyes last night. It macro are you a

sorrow that mother? They call me mother hen, mother Goose, probably

some other names. I am not a family member and I am not their friend. I

am fully aware that I am their Chuter, but it is my style of

teaching. A teacher once said to me, you cannot do this job for the money

or the holidays, you have to love the children. And I do love those

kids. My mum came to school and said, can you do anything for him?

They said here. And I came here and enjoy it a lot better. Katie is the

fourth member of her family to go here. Her sister splits her time

there with her local high school. school, I would sit in class and I

would not work because I would feel ill. Everyone is quieter here and we

do not argue as much. It has helped us to grow up and see what is

happening around us. It has brought you back into society. Are you

helping around at home? Sometimes. It is not a miracle worker. It will

not make you do the washing up. have a dishwasher for that. They

like it, but can such a relaxed environment actually benefit them?

What about those who say it is a copout because the kids come here

and they can have toast when they get here and play football in the

afternoon and go home early. answer is, whatever works. And trust

me, this thing works. We have a class that has just passed out and

everyone has gone on to something positive that college, further

training, or even into work. Amongst that group are people with the worst

attendance record at high school. When I was told I was coming here, I

expected mayhem. But having spent time with the kids in the classroom,

I have come to understand that they want to have a go at life, but

perhaps on theirs to -- on their terms. If places like this can teach

them how to do it but keep within the rules, is there anything wrong

with that? New kind of summed it up there. But

do you think in your experience that the more lenient approach works?

is a strange word, lenient. You can have a cup of -- what works for

those kids would not necessarily work for others who might want a

more structured approach. Essentially, it is what works in the

first place. How can we save these kids? So, our permanent exclusions

increasing or decreasing in the UK? They are decreasing because

headteachers do not want it on the school record. And they are also

aware of how much it can affect a child going forward. If a child is

excluded, it affects their future career. Halfway house seem to be the

way ahead, where kids are taken on board and they try to turn their

lives around. Chris, you were thrown out of school. I was thrown out

having long hair in the 60s. I was probably acting up a little. It was

in the middle of my junior year in high school and the dean of the

school was severe. He got a couple of us in his office and he said, you

are going to be crossing the street and your hair will flow in front of

your face and you will get it by a car. That was his excuse. There were

a lot of test cases for Civil Liberties and people were suing

schools that they were thrown out of for having long hair. So within a

week or two the school called me up and said, if you come back you will

not have to take Jim. That enticed you back. I was happy to be out. I

was not happy in the school public system and my mum found a cheap

arrive at school. Thank you, Tony. We are going to talk about the

blonde eat or shortly. As you have had so many hits, we thought

everybody out there will be able to do a karaoke version. One way or

# I know a girl from a lonely Street # Cold as ice cream but still as

sweet. # # Soon turned out, had a Heart Of

Glass # Seemed like the real thing, only

to find. # # Beautiful to night. #

# Maria, you've got to see her. # # The tide is high, but I'm holding

# I'm going to be your number one # Number one

# Number one. # # Call me

I did not think we would get the Caterpillar. I liked the

glassmakers. I am definitely calling him. I am speechless.The man at the

glass factory had a pretty voice. have to thank the British public for

their support over the years. they can come and see you on tour.

You are starting in Nottingham and then it goes on to London. Will you

be playing old stuff and new stuff? Yes. It is very exciting. It is a

nice show and it is so much fun to have new material. We are still

working it up. Some of the new tunes are more dance tunes. Do you think

there might be an album of the back of the tour? It is dance oriented,

if you want to call it that. Mick Jagger was saying it is strange when

you play the old ones because everyone is singing along and then

you introduce new stuff and it is tough to get through because people

do not know the words. They love the music all the same. They sort of

stop. I often wonder what it would be like to play satisfaction for 50

years! You are saying thank you to the British public for their

support. I mean it sincerely.In 1978 when you came over, you were

completely mobbed. We have some amazing footage. How did it feel to

get to the British Isles and realise how much the fans were into Blondie?

Completely wonderful and surprisingly. I honestly had no way

of knowing how to handle something like that. It was absolutely

thrilling. It is what anybody who goes into the music business, or

show business, wants to have happen. A dream come true. The lads in the

glass factory did a wonderful condition of Heart Of Glass, but

that tunes started in a different way. It was like rock the boat,

baby, if you remember that song. It went through a feud transformations.

It was a bit of reggae in there. thought we sounded like Kraftwerk.

We were watching your fascinating documentary earlier, and lots has

happened within the band. There have been rifts, drugs, problems, but you

have remained friends, strong friends throughout the whole thing.

What is the secret to your relationship? I don't know. I am an

idiot. I didn't finish. I am an idiot and he is full. How often do

you fight? We are very much on the same page. And you are godmother.

What kind of a godmother she make vesture Mark she is OK. You would

have to ask them. What did you think about One Direction's version of

your song? I thought they did a good job, and it was all for a good cause

as well. It had a good spirit about it, and it had humour. It was great.

Are you going to do sarin on your tour? Yes, we are.What is your

favourite, of all the ones that you do? Well, it would be the new stuff.

I get more enthused about the new stuff. I guess the one which stands

out for me, on many levels, is Rapture. Why is that? Well, we broke

through, it was a real breakthrough for us musically, and in the world

of music, so i think that was the one. I am very proud of that. And

also, it is the first rap song that has its own music. At that time, it

was all scratchy samples. . So, you are including that one in the tour?

You do not know yet? Anyway... Ahead of Father's Day this Sunday, we want

to know where you would find a perfect dad, one that does all of

the housework, looks after the kids, and is a bit of a funky dancer

as well. Mike Dilger has found him, and he lives in a stream near you.

Right across the country, there is a new raft of fathers celebrating

Father's Day. For the very first time, this year, i have become a dad

myself. This is Zachary Ted, the apple of his parents live. But one

thing i never realised was how much work it was being a dad. In the rest

of the animal world, there are many hard-working fathers who protect

their young, provide food and even carry the eggs around. But there is

one on song animal does that, and much more. When i was a kid, i used

to catch these tiddlers all of the time. Back in the day, i always knew

their proper name, but what i did not know was that the males make

absolutely brilliant fathers! They start with herring for fatherhood in

the spring breeding season, when they turn from a muddy brown colour

to a bright, vivid red, to warn off other males. Then, they start

defending their bit stream. And i have just got a territorial male

just down here, and we have got a special, underwater camera. We have

put a splash of red tape, and hopefully, he might think it is a

male trying to take over his patch. He should come over to investigate.

He is coming! There we go. That's great! He is really territorial.

They are particularly defensive because, within their home patch,

these potential dads also build their own nests. Along a stream like

this, there will be dozens, maybe even hundreds of territories, packed

together, each containing a nest built by a father, which is really

difficult to spot. At the University of Leicester, Dr Ian Brown has spent

seven years studying sticklebacks and there are considerable skills.

We are surrounded by them - what is it about this fish which fascinates

you Anna Hann people think of nestbuilding animals, they think of

birds and mammals, but in this case it is the male who does everything,

and he started off by building a nest. It is the female swimming past

which prompts the males into starting to build a nest. So,

introducing a female, even in a jar, should trigger some nest action.

There is definite interest. And here's heading down to finishes

nest! They build from whatever is to hand, and stick the nest together

with a trail of glue. Here, he has got a mixture of cotton thread and

water weed. Absolutely amazing behaviour. In the wild, sticklebacks

females have a lot of nest is to choose from, so, not only do the

males need to be good builders, they also do an elaborate dance to show

how fit and strong they are. A couple of tanks along, there is a

dance about to happen. Oh, he is zigzagging like crazy! That is a

classic courtship dance. This female is ready to lay, but there is no

guarantee she will. Now, he is dancing and swimming back to the

nest to show her where it is. is ready, she will go into the nest.

She is pushing her way in. The idea here is that the male is stimulating

the muscles in the female's body to release the eggs. And now, he should

swim through and fertilise them. There he goes. We have just seen the

whole cycle! That is brilliant. For the next ten days, the father will

fan water over the eggs to keep them oxygenated, and defend the baby fish

when they hatch. But that is not all. After those babies have

hatched, he will build another nest and try and attract more females,

and then, towards the end of the season, he has expended so much

energy, he has not had time to feed, typically, he will die. And they are

the supreme dads. And Mike, the new dad, is here. Because we have got

Blondie on the show, you went in search of the most long animals you

could find. Yes, we scoured the natural world in honour of these

guest 's. We came up with these beautiful Peruvian long-haired

beautiful Peruvian long-haired guinea pigs, belonging Aren't they

amazing? They look like they are wearing to pays. We are going to

find out which would be the perfect pet for the members of Blondie here.

These ones are silky hands, so called because their plumage is

thus. Chris told me beforehand, the most amazing thing about them is

that if you part the feathers, they have blue skin underneath. They are

the only breed of chicken which has five toes. I think they are rather

like ours. I really wanted to touch him, but... ! Uncle how you feeling

about these? These are really nice chickens. Actually, I think chickens

are wonderful. You show these, don't you? Yes, he has got to have a

really good image, and a nice, rounded body. The Crest has not got

to be too big. Who have I got here, Harriet? That is Alaska. Guinea pig

is a bizarre name, because they are not from Guinea, and they are not

pigs. It was thought that they came from Diana, and it was a

mispronunciation, but the other thought was that it was brought back

from the Spanish from South America. They were wild rodents, if it

really, and they were brought back via Guinea, in West Africa, which

was the last port of call. So that is where the name came from. They

were wrong on both counts. Next, Gyles Brandreth has the story of a

Hollywood screenwriter who had to flee the United States and make his

home in the UK. When it came to films like Bridge On The River Kwai

and the guns of Neverland, their loss was definitely our game. In

1973, filmmaker Carl Foreman was nominated for an Oscar for his

screenplay of Young Winston, the story of Winston Churchill. It

crystallised his status as part of the British film aristocracy. But

Foreman's own story was as dramatic as his films. He was lauded as one

of the greats of British cinema. But few knew that 20 years before, he

had been exile from Hollywood and had his American passport revoked.

During the 1940s and 1950s, America was in the grip of an anti-Communist

witchhunt, led by Senator McCarthy. Suspected Communists faced the

committee for un-American at energies, including leading names in

Hollywood, like Carl Foreman. He had been a member of the Communist Party

in his use, but he left in 1941. The committee wanted him to name other

party members, but he refused, meaning that he was blacklisted in

Hollywood, and his film career was over. At the time he was working on

high noon, the powerful 1952 Western about a town marshal forced to face

a gallon of killers alone. In a way, it was a portrayal of the turmoil in

Carl Foreman's life at that moment. Terry Cooper is the marshal, going

around the town trying to recruit deputies, and he goes to the church

and discovers that the townspeople, whom he has been protecting, do not

want to help him. It is a film about your friend is not standing by you.

He saw it as a symbolic rejection of American values, throwing this thing

in America, and Churchill basically said, my dear boy, do not worry

about that. All I care about is whether he can do the job. Churchill

expected to see the finished film in a matter of months. As Carl Foreman

later revealed... I said, no, sir, I think it will be two or three

years, not months. He said, nonsense, when we decided on opening

a second front in Normandy, it did not take is that long. I said, yes,

you had more money. From my father 's point of view, I think the film

was a kind of love letter to England. His services to British

cinema and him a CBE, rare for un-American. By the early 1960s, he

was preparing to go home to Hollywood, where a chance encounter

with John Wayne presented an opportunity for reconciliation.

father took my sister and I and walked us over to his table, and

John Wayne stood up and they shook hands. It was a sign that things

were over. Should we be proud of giving a home to this exile

American? I think we should, because if he had stayed in America, he

would have been condemned to silence. Carl Foreman ended his days

back in Hollywood. You died in 1964, aged 69. He was a unique American,

who made some remarkably British films. What a quote that was from

Churchill. And staying on the movie theme, they are making a film about

your life, called CBGB, and Malin Ackerman, a young actress, is

playing you. There she is. Have you spoken to her at all? Did they

consult you? Oh, no. But I knew who she was, and I thought, she is

great, she is to refit. She looks brilliant. I have seen her in other