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Hello and welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones.

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Before we go any further, we would like to warn you that tonight's show

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does contain adverts, but as they offer products that are 50 years I

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think we will be all right. Yes, Gyles will meet the men who raced to

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get the first ad on TV. Talking of things that are around 50 years

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old, let's welcome tonight's guest, David Baddiel. Around 50 years. I am

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49, Howard there you! -- how dare you. The British public think I am

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27. We were told you wanted to talk about your age. I don't mind. I am

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49. It is great. Is there a party on the way? 450? I have not thought

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about the party yet, but you are both invited. Is Frank coming? Frank

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will be there. Of course, this is a very creative time of your life and

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we will be talking about David's stand-up tour in a bit. Now, 12

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Years A Slave, which was nominated for nine Oscars today, has strong

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links to the UK and not just because of its links to -- it's leading

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actor and director are British. Modern-day Glasgow is best known for

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its arts, the Commonwealth Games and its music scene, so you would not

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have necessarily known that the city could have had a dog passed, one

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that played a pivotal role in the slave trade.

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The film 12 Years A Slave has recently brought the horrors of

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slavery to the forefront of our minds, reminding cities such as

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restore and Liverpool of their own easy past. -- Bristol and Liverpool.

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But it is Glasgow's involvement in the slave trade that Professor Geoff

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Palmer believes needs to be remembered. Scotland benefited a

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great deal from the tobacco, sugar and cotton trade and incorporated

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the use of slaves at the time. Merchant house was built as a

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meeting place for the city's merchants. The busts and artwork in

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this building are testament to the wealth which was generated from the

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city's involvement in slavery. Here we have James McCammon, a merchant

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in Glasgow -- James Buchanan. He was a rich man. ?10,000 at that time

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would be over a million. If we move on to James Ewing, who owned a MP

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William Wilberforce fought to abolish the slave trade. He was up

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against Henry Dundas, who prevented abolition for around 30 years.

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Geoffrey, you have brought us to the people's Palace to show us this

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painting. Why? This is a very important painting. If you look at

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any book on slavery, you will find this painting. This man was one of

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the earliest and one of the richest tobacco lords. If you look to the

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left, there is an image which we believe is a blackboard who in fact

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belonged to him. -- a black boy. You can just see. Maybe people just did

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not know about the slave trade and how it was linked to Scotland. He

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did not see slaves around, did you? The slave trade was well organised,

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but it was in the Caribbean or the United States. It was not in

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Scotland, so you would not see. That at merchant house, it was time to

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find out what this dude and is thought about their city's heritage.

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Professor, thank you for all that information. Did any of it surprise

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you? Year, is surprising that streets like Buchanan street, that

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we walk up and down every day, were founded on money from the slave

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trade, something I did not realise at all before today. Without these

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links, we would not have the city we all live in now, so you have to

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member that they did some good for the city. Reverend Doctor Ian White

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believes that awareness could be more widespread. I don't think we

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should be relieved well -- be relieved well and allow ourselves to

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be paralysed with guilt, but I do think that if we understand what we

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as human beings do and are capable of doing and learn from the past,

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then we can hopefully go forward into the future. Slavery was finally

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declared illegal in the British Empire in 1833 and was eventually

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abolished across plantations in 1838.

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Wow, a lot of surprises for me. Angellica is here now. So you have

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been looking at research done by the University College London into the

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British slave trade and the compensation on the back of it. What

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have you found out? When slavery was abolished in 1833, a compensation

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scheme was set up by the British government. ?20 million was paid

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out, which equates to ?16 billion today's money. That was nearly half

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of the government spend for that year. But none of that money went to

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the slaves. That went to the slave owners and their families, who felt

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that they have lost out on their property. We know that about 30,000

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families put a claim in. They had no qualms about doing that. If you want

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to find out more about how much was given out and who got the money, the

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UCL have set up a database. You can go online and find out which

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properties, you could be sitting in a property right now which was built

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on compensation money. Obviously, the amount of money you got depended

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on how many slaves you had, but also where they were from? Yet, so if you

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had a slave from British Dayan, it was worth more than a slave from

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Jamaica. The biggest pay-out went to an MP called James Black, who owned

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nearly 1600 slaves. He was awarded ?65 million in today's money. He is

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no relation of Tony, is he? Tell me he is not. That is shocking. I am

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sure it will come as news to a few people. It is a remarkable amount of

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money. What did they spend it on, apart from houses? Half the money

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was spent abroad and half was spent in this country. A lot was spent on

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renovating state he homes or building new estates. Howard house

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in Leeds was owned by Henry Lascelles, who got a big

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compensation pay-out after losing his slave sugar plantations in the

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West Indies. I did a documentary for the BBC a while back about

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reparation for a cost victims. When you first told me about this, I

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assumed it was the same kind of thing for people who suffered under

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slavery on but it was the opposite. No, it did not go to the victims.

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Obviously, a lot of money would then go into running that business.

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Now, we have all got our favourite television adverts, whether it is

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the Shake n'Vac lady, singing and shaking over the carpet. Or they are

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white man sneaking around in the middle of the night just to get a

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glass of lemonade without his wife finding out. Remember this one,

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David? That was me, actually! There is a resemblance. Wasn't that Elvis

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Costello's dad? That was not him, but it was his dad singing. Looks

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like him because of the glasses. But how did the first television

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commercials get on air? Gyles is switching over to the other side to

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find out. When Britain first curled up in

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front of the box, there was only one channel to watch, the BBC. But

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auntie's dominance of the airwaves would soon be -- airwaves would soon

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be under attack. The new television bill meant that viewers would soon

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be able to switch over to a new commercial channel, one carrying

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advertising selling everything from cigarettes to soap powder, from cars

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to toothpaste. TV advertising across the Atlantic had already begun some

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13 years earlier. But in Britain, along with church leaders and MPs,

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the BBC's founder, Lord Rees, likened it to the bubonic plague. On

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the other side of this battle ground were a new breed, advertising

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executives who saw the potential to make big money. People were

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apprehensive. They thought it would be cheap and nasty. At a rival

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agency, 26-year-old copywriter Brian Palmer also remembers the backlash

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that commercial TV faced. England were still very much on a war

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footing. Rationing was still in place and people said, advertising

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gets people to buy things they don't need. And the take-up of TV licences

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would double from 3 million to 6 million within two years, so there

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would be a growing audience for advertisers. Not surprisingly, the

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biggest bashing the TV ads got was from those who stood to lose their

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advertising revenue, the newspapers. Fleet Street was awash

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with horrifying stories of how, on the American television networks,

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Queen Elizabeth II's coronation was rudely interrupted by ads for cars,

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deodorants. And even by performing chimpanzee. Despite the moral

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panic, the television bill was voted through Parliament in July 1954.

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Advertisers now had barely a year to make Britain's first commercials

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ready for launch night. They were all keen to get in on the first day

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and ideally in the first slot. Archie's assignment was a

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bachelor's please. His rival's product was toothpaste. But having

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never made a television ad before, they ran into technical

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difficulties. Not many people knew how to film a toothpaste in a block

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of ice under lights. They don't go well together. So we were working it

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out as we went along. Britain's first commercial channel, ATV, would

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launch on the 22nd of September, 1955. Among the advertisers, a

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lottery would decide which commercial would go out first. Would

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it be Archie's ad for peas, or Brian's ad for toothpaste? The One

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Show has brought the two rivals together once again to relive that

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first night. What was the atmosphere like? Of course, we were

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apprehensive. We were very keen that it was successful. People from my

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office were looking at this little square box and wondering what was

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going to happen. There was a rivalry? Of course. This was a

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historic moment, and we wanted to be part of that. So on the 22nd of

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September 1955, let's see which of the two ads did come first. Gibbs

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toothpaste, the tingling fresh toothpaste that does your gums

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good, too. The tingle you get when you brush with SR is much more than

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a nice taste, it is a tingle of health. So yours was the first

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commercial on commercial television in this country. How did you feel?

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Very excited. It looks like a slide lecture now, but it was nice to get

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it across. It would have been nice to be first, but we were in the

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first break, and that was fine by us. Now we had the opportunity to

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take huge steps in the development of advertising as a medium. By the

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end of the 50s, television had grabbed a quarter of all the

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advertising revenue. The TV ad had won its battle to make its way onto

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our small screens. Over the next decade, it would prove to be the

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most powerful weapon in the adman's armoury.

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Archie still looks a bit disappointed. But he is king of the

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advertising. He was in the first ever ad break, so he put a positive

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slant on it. Would you do an advert, David? I do voice-overs.

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People say, we chose you because you have a deadpan voice . And they say,

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can you sound a bit more enthusiast Dick? I have been offered a few

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other but I have never read a script that is not a bit naff. Got a

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favourite? I have got to see the flick adverts. I liked the music. I

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will tell you what I did like. There was recently this advert where two

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kids are playing, like brothers, and one takes the other one up to bed

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because he has fallen asleep. And then he turns into his dad. I cannot

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watch it without crying. It gets me every time. I have loved all the

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Christmas adverts. There aren't many '70s rockers who would find it easy

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to record everything they did during that decade. Matt Allwright has been

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to meet a drummer. With 17 consecutive top 20 hits, and six UK

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number ones, glam-rockers Slade were one of the most successful bands of

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the 1970s. # Come feel the noise... #

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Yes, we all remember such hits as Come On Feel The Noise and Merry

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Christmas Everybody, but there is one person who can have trouble

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remembering. Surprisingly, it's Slade's drummer. He played with the

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band for almost 50 years. Early 1973, we were on the crest of a

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wave. Everything was going fantastic for us. We couldn't do any wrong.

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Then, it all came down like that, when I had my accident. Just three

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days after their biggest-ever gig, he was involved in an horrific car

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accident. I was unconscious for five days. I said, "You have to tell me

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what's happened. Please, someone tell me what's happened." That is

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when they started going into about the car accident and then my father

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came and he told me that my girlfriend had died.

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I couldn't really remember. I don't remember.

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When I was discharged from hospital, and I had to move back to my

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parents, I used to wake up in the morning and I thought I was still in

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hospital. I suddenly realised I wasn't. Mum would bring me a cup of

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tea or whatever, I would go back to sleep. When I woke up, it was like

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my slate had been wiped clean again. I didn't know where I was.

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40 years on, Don is back on the road with Slade. Two lots of chips,

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please. When I met him in Eastbourne, he explained how his

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amnesia continues to affect him. What do you think you have missed

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out on since the accident? What do you think it's taken away from you?

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Spontaneity. I can't do things like that anymore. Things have to sink

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in. Or it has to be written down. My diary is my Bible. I get to the

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bottom of the page from yesterday, the team from The One Show will be

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here 10.30-11.00. It is all written down. I have to live that way. How

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about family? Do they understand what is going on with you? Totally.

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My family have been incredible. My wife she totally understands all

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this situation. It is wonderful the way she helps me, you know. If we

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are going somewhere and we are being confronted by someone, I give her a

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nudge, "Where do we know them from?" Then she will tell me. There is

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another family who stood by Don over the years and that's Slade, his

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band. Dave Hill is the guitarist. Did you think that Don would be able

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to return to Slade after the accident? Or did you think that was

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it? We never thought that he wouldn't. It wasn't a question did

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we think that - the answer to that is he will return. Tell me how your

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memory loss has affected your playing? The classic, I said, "We'll

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do Merry Christmas." I'm going, "How does it go?" Then Jim or Dave would

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say, "It goes like this." # Are you hanging up

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# The stocking on the wall? # He needs a trigger point to remember

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the start. Then he will remember the rest.

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At 67, Don continues to tour with Slade, often struggling to recall

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those seemingly unforgettable tracks. Thankfully, his diary has

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been a lifeline that helps him remember just how he used to feel.

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When I read my diary, when I was having my biography done, reading

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the diaries again, I thought, "Wow, we did that?" It might seem strange

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to talk to someone about it, but it's a fascinating thing, really.

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Thank you for being so open with us Don. Don's book is available now.

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David, you are a musician yourself. Are you a fan of Slade? Slade are a

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great band. Because they were thought of a bit of a comedy thing,

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but they are a really good bandment I did notice Dave Hill was wearing a

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hat. I wanted to see if his haircut was the same. Listen, the last time

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we saw you, you were about to go on your first stand-up tour for 15

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years. How did it go? It went really well. I did the Edinburgh Festival.

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I was a bit nervous. I thought are people going to come and would you

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be accepted back in the comedy community. I remember once a

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comedian, Robin Ince, I said, "I thought you had given it up." He

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said, "People never let you go." The tour is about your life story. And

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the obscurities and trappings of fame. It is about the weirdness of

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fame, really. It is about what a strange and silly thing fame is. It

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is about how fame intrudes in the stupidest of ways. I went to

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Auschwitz once and a man came and stood by me and I thought he is

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going to say something, a great insight of real truth, a deep, moral

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complexity. He said, "Dave, when's Fantasy Football coming back?" That

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was it. You get into weird situations because of it. Is it

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weird that the more you tour and the more that you will tour, the more

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famous you get and so do you have to alter the material? No, I stay at

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the same kind of plateau. That is about perfect for me. I really like

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it there. Would you agree that the height of your fame was when the

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whole of Wembley Stadium were singing Three Lions? Maybe. That was

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amazing. And brilliant. To be honest, I don't think of that in

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terms of fame. Fame is a weird thing. Sometimes it can be great and

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sometimes it can be not so great. There it is. There is that moment.

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That was really emotional. Not so much for the Dutch fans! LAUGHTER It

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was - they were close friends of mine, obviously(!) It was this

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moment where in a way you felt swept up with the whole country's emotion.

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So, feeling that we were the cheerleaders of that, it was beyond

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the ideas of what is famous. It happens every time England end up in

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any competition, really. You must be bracing yourself for the summer for

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endless downloads? Yes, I'm looking forward to them, obviously! LAUGHTER

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People often ask if we are going to write a new one. We are not. The

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song stands as it was. It is solid. It is. By your own admission, your

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fame has been up-and-down a bit. We wondered how well Wembley remembers

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you. OK. You are going to laugh at it. I thought it was Steven

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Spielberg. He is a face from television. I thought he was the guy

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from Jurassic Park. He did that show with Frank Skinner. Baddiel

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something. It is David Baddiel! Yes. David Baddiel, that's it. I knew it.

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Oh God, he did the football song. Three Lions.

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# Three lions on a shirt # Jules Rimet still gleaming... #

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That was humiliating, but I will still get a royalty for that! That

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is what we were saying. You can put your feet up all summer! Next, to

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Cardigan Bay where Miranda Krestovnikoff is swimming with

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spider crabs. Britain sees lots of migrations,

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with millions of birds pouring in every year. But hidden underneath

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the waves in West Wales, there is another huge migration that is

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rarely seen. The spiney spider crab is one of our largest native crabs

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and every year, huge numbers of them walk hundreds of miles from far out

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at sea and along the coast to meet and breed. They are impressive

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animals. Males can reach almost a metre wide from claw to claw and

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there can be thousands congregating at once. Very little is known about

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their migrations, but if conditions are perfect, they will come right

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into shore and here in Cardigan Bay, they have done just that. These

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crabby gatherings are difficult to find, but local diver Brett Stones

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thinks he's discovered a favourite meeting place. Are they going to the

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same area every year? Almost the same rock, the same ten-metre square

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rock. They are big creatures, aren't they? These are big, impressive,

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alien-like crabs. When you get it in your hands, you have a very

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impressive animal. The crabs need to shed their shells to grow, so they

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group together here in the bay, partly for protection. And today,

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are you pretty hopeful we will see big numbers? I would like to see

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numbers. If they are on one rock and merge into one, potentially

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thousands. Let's get going. The crabs have come into a small

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cove eight miles along this stunning coastline. They are 20 metres from

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land and three-metres down so we can snorkel right up to them. These are

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creatures that are spending most of their life 50-plus metres of

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waterway out to sea coming in for this short window? Maybe two weeks

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we have got here. Perfect conditions. Let's get in. Very

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excited. Let's get in! The crabs hide amongst the seaweed

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for protection. Very quickly, I spot my first one. The visibility is

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almost like being in tropical waters. It is easily ten metres and

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every rock that I see is covered with a heaving mass of spiney spider

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crabs. There may not be thousands, but

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there are definitely hundreds down here.

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That is incredible. You can't see it from the boat. The moment you put

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your head under water, the rocks are encrusted with spider crabs. They

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are all over each other and they are all crawling around and hidden

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amongst the kelp. It is incredible. It is thought the crabs on the

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outside of the group are usually waiting to molt. They are sometimes

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called commandos because they cover themselves in seaweed and bits of

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sponge for camouflage. Time for a closer look. Wow, you have a big one

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there. A big male. As long as you stay away from these two, you will

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be fine. If you hold him upside-down, he will go into that

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protective mode. That is a heavyweight. Amazing. As well as

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walking vast distances, their huge legs are used in courtship. Having

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chosen a female, the male will guard and defend her until she is ready to

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mate. They have a varied diet and eat seaweed, and will also use their

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strong claws to break the shells of moluscs. This huge mass of crabs

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will only be here for a couple of weeks before they walk back out to

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deeper water again. To think that these alien-looking creatures could

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have travelled hundreds of miles to be right here. It is like Britain's

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own great migration - fantastic! Thank you. Nice to see a bit of sun

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there. Sorry for putting that film on. You are frightened of crabs? I

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am frightened of spiders. I don't have much of a problem with crabs -

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not the last time I checked! You do spend a bit of time by the seaside?

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Yes. I used to spend every summer in Swansea Bay. Where better! A few

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places, actually! LAUGHTER It was lovely. Do you find you can be a bit

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more creative by the sea? Yes, when it is not - when floods aren't

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overtaking... By Christmas time. Thank you for your company tonight.

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Thank you. That is it for tonight. David's nationwide tour starts on

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31st January in Salford and you are at the Southbank Centre in London

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from Tuesday 4th February. Yes. You may add some dates in Wales! There

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will be some soon! Alex has insisted. I will be back tomorrow

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with Chris. See you then. Good night.

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