16/04/2012 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones.

Tonight's guest is an actor for whom the term "smouldering good

looks" was invented. He found fame mastering the... Casualty smoulder.

He then moved on to perfect the... He even conquered the hardest of

all... The semi submerged swimmer Can you give us a One Show

You want Blue Steel? Which camera? It's why we get the extra. You are

not up only a professional a smouldering, you are filming the

sixth a series of extreme vision. just got back from Iceland last

night. It was extreme, minus 15. Trekking across glaciers on

horseback. Headed into a force eight gale. It was very

entertaining. Did you catch anything? I caught my biggest brown

trout ever. I was brought up on brown trout fish. How big was it?

About that. Hold your hands steady. What are you up to? We did have a

word with the film crew out there. You've moved to! I've got jet-lag!

They said it was 54 centimetres. What we did, we've got the trout.

Not bad! He and are sold it. many fishermen does it take to

change a lightbulb? One, but you should have seen the size of the

light bulb! You can have that. Larry Lamb is also on the show

tonight. We'll be hearing from the man who is helping to unearth the

20 Spitfires buried deep underground. Cannot wait for that.

First, should we be worried that the government plans to see who we

are e-mailing and what we are looking at online? Simon Boazman

has been to do some smoothing of his own. -- snooping. Two weeks ago,

the government outlined a draft bill to go into the Queen's Speech,

which would allow them to monitor how e-mails, internet use and phone

calls. It says without it, terrorists and organised criminal

gangs will increasingly be able to outsmart the law. Many of us are

deeply uncomfortable at the thought of our private communications or

actions being watched. But in reality, many of the things that we

do every day are already being monitored by a multitude of

different people. Train companies know our movements by smart card

tickets. Our internet provider knows what we are browsing on the

web. And our phone providers know who we are calling. With many

aspects of our everyday lives are already being monitored, what about

this proposal is actually knew? And why are some people very worried

indeed? We are constantly being watched when we are out and about.

There are now over 1.8 million CCTV cameras in the UK. According to Dr

Richard Clayton, an expert in computer security from Cambridge

University, Sue Nott surveillance could reach into our homes. So what

is different in this proposal that is potentially going to be put

forward? What is new is the idea they will have a record of which

websites you visited and how long you spend on them and how much data

you moved backwards and forwards from those sites. It allows them to

see your thought-processes. Vacancy which websites to visit, in which

order, from which they can piece together what you were doing that

date. The discussion at the moment is not to do away with the process

of acquiring a warrant to see what is being written and sent. That

safeguard will remain. Indeed. The Home Secretary will have to sign

off in the 2000 or 3000 cases a year when they actually want to see

the words. At the moment, be the security services after ask

internet providers about information for suspects, which may

take hours or days to be released force under the proposals, they

could monitor the suspects communications in real time and so

possibly avoid an attack. A similar bill was proposed in 2009 in the

aftermath of 7th July bombings in London. But Nick Pickles, from Big

Brother watch, is sceptical as to whether any snooping Bill would

make a difference. There are big questions to be asked about whether

this would work. If you look at the 7/7 inquest, they talked their

about how more surveillance powers wouldn't have helped the situation.

If you listen to a lot of security experts, the biggest single problem

now was unregistered mobile phones being used by people to avoid

detection. If you are logging calls, which is what these proposals want,

it doesn't matter because if you don't know who is talking to each

other, the data is irrelevant. Surely this is just another case of

civil liberties campaigners the scaremongering. If people are

suspected of crimes, investigate them. But let's not investigate

everybody to make sure they are not doing anything wrong. David Cameron

has defended the bill, saying, when people see the detail they will

understand this is a very sensible way of keeping up with technology

and not a snooping charter. One man who agrees his ex Special Branch

officer and lecturer in crime and security at John Moores University,

Dr David Lowe. With counter- terrorism, I know from my own

experience, the pressure is on to prevent it, and you can understand

why. As well as London, the year before you had Madrid, 191 people

died just going to work. Why would they want to monitor everybody

Carte Blanche? If there is a way they could find out at that time

who they are communicating with, they could be on the periphery of

inquiry. That could raise that person's profile from being on the

periphery right into the centre, and then you put more resources on

to them to deal with them before they can move on quickly. That one

water macro hours could save lives, and that's the important part.

viewers sitting at home, innocent of any crime, have they got

anything to worry about? It won't affect 59 million people. We're

talking hundreds. Hundreds, maybe 1000 people, this is Hewitt would

affect out of 60 million. They If this draft Bill does make it

into the Queen's Speech next month, it is still not completely clear

exactly what it is going to contain. But with so much personal

information about us rattling around out there, how that

information is stored and, more importantly, how it is used is

going to be a hot debate for years to come. It is a hot debate. What

are your thoughts, we may have to compromise our privacy a bit? Isn't

so much of your life recorded electronically anyway, haven't

there News of the World been doing it for years anyway? If it's going

to put more people behind bars, I'm all for it. Robson's Extreme

Fishing Challenge. Yes. It's the fifth series. We never thought we'd

get past the first series but it's become so popular and entertaining.

What you will see tonight at 9pm is a guy who has travelled the globe

and caught more fish than most professional anglers and

adventurous. I must have learnt something. So each week it is a

different country but with the same challenge, to take on five of the

best anglers that nation has to offer. Tonight, you are in the

Great Lakes. Here you are with a character called Sturgeon Joe.

got something. We are in! The waiting is over. It is a Sturgeon.

He's not be but, more importantly, he is on my road! That is OK, we

will share in the wealth. The lake Sturgeon. They drag those barbels

over the ground and become across the bait. They then that suck it up

- an extraordinary, complex, prehistoric fish. But you do put

back whenever you catch? No, we don't impose my philosophy. My

philosophy is you eat what you catch. I'm not a fan of killing the

fish you are not going to eat. But what you didn't see Ahmad kip, the

Sturgeon Joe was the most patient man you could come across. We sat

there for 11 hours. It was awful! We obviously have to pass the time.

I've seen a lot of episodes of you fishing, and you are not the most

patient person. You get pretty worked up, don't you? Yes, we are

under pressure. We have to produce a target. The target there was the

Sturgeon. But if you do catch, and that 10 hours does disappear, then

I'm kind of living the dream. I'm going to extraordinary places,

doing something I love. My father always said, if you do something

you love, you don't have to work again in your life. Who else do you

meet who shares your passion? meet this wonderful couple, a

father and son relationship. We go after this extraordinary apex

predator. I think we've got this. We haven't even had time to set all

the lines out and we've got a double header! Fantastic! Another

one! Look at this! We have got three Trish on! This is a first. I

don't know what to do. I don't either! Your enthusiasm is so

contagious. Yeah, you know, it is something I love. So many times you

hear stories about depleted stocks, raping and pillaging of oceans. The

places we go to, not only do we celebrate the scenery but we

celebrate the healthiness of the water, the species and the people.

If you get good scenery with good contributors and great species, it

is very entertaining. It is very captivating audiences worldwide. We

know of a story in Tasmania. They were going mad for you. Yes, all

these cameras turned up. Robson Green arrives in Tasmania. Meryl

Streep wins an Oscar. It was wonderful. I am an incredibly lucky

and privileged person. We never lose sight of that when we do the

programme. It is an honour to be part of something like this.

Robeson's extreme vision challenges on tonight at 9pm on Channel 5 will

stop do you have recurring dreams? I do. What are they? Can we

broadcast this? Begetting lines, as an actor. It's more of a nightmare.

It came true when I played Jesus. During the Crucifixion I forgot my

lines. Victor Lewis-Smith said, Robson Green plays Jesus. I don't

know what he was playing at but it was hard to believe anyone would

follow him across the stage, let alone Israel! Anita Rani went to

Edinburgh to meet a professor of psychology who claims he can banish

Going to sleep is like entering an unknown realm. Who knows what

dreams May come! X we might just as easily find ourselves exploring an

enchanted forest as becoming trapped in a dark and dangerous

nightmare. I don't always remember my dreams, which is probably for

the best, but apparently they can really affect your mood throughout

the day. So imagine having the ability to control your dreams.

That would be worth having. Psychologist turned Dream Catcher

Professor Richard Wiseman has developed an experiment using

mobile phone technology, which he believes can influence our dreams.

Astonishingly, he has collected more than 100,000 dreams in less

than three days. It is all about trying to give you a more pleasant

dream. It monitors you during the night. You place the app on your

bed and during the night when you move around the app can detect that

motion. When you dream you are paralysed. It knows that and it

gently plays in that soundscapes. It's an attempt to try and

influence how you feel and what you were dreaming about. Then when you

wake up, it prompts you to send us a report and we can look at that

data and see whether there is something going on. I'm about to

have electrodes stuck to my head. What is going on? We are at the

Sleep Centre. We are testing the science behind the app. We have a

couple of hours at the Sleep Centre. We are going to be monitoring your

brain waves by the electrodes on your head. Then we are going to

play in a sound scape. Then we will wait to up and see whether that has

influenced your dreams. Hopefully I will get to sleep. Well, it is

quite a tall order. The only have a couple of hours. You will almost

certainly get to sleep but the question is, we you dream? I now

have only 90 minutes to get into the correct dream at stake for the

app to work. Surprisingly, I'm out like a light. She's definitely

woken up now. You can see by the activity in her brain. There is no

point in playing in the tone. In which case, I will go and say hello.

You didn't quite manage to get me but you have caught quite a lot of

dreams is a bit. A lot of people have been sending in their reports.

We've had about 130,000 already. We've been forming these would

clouds. The word on the diagram, if its larger, the more frequent it is

used. It is looking interesting. These words are all from the city

soundscapes. We can compare that berry directly with the words that

are coming up when there is the sound of the garden being played.

Initial indications are maybe there is something going on, that

soundscapes are influencing people's dreams. If you find that

this does work, and listening to lovely sounds does help you think

of lovely things in your dreams, what then? We know that the mood

that people are in is affected very directed by the last dream they

have had, so we put people in a better mood for the day. But they

could be some real implications for psychological well-being. It's a

very ambitious project. We don't know if it's going to work or not,

that's why it's a genuine experiment. It is possible that

this technology could eliminate our nightmares. Or it might just be a

bit of fun. Either way, I quite like the idea of controlling our

I would like to try it! I would find it scary. I always turn my

phone off at night. What if you are having a good dream? I don't like

If you want to bring on a good dream, a bit of cheddar before bed.

That is the way forward! OK! told! Now, by 1941, Adolf Hitler's

troops were not just winning on the battlefields, but on the airways

too. Larry Lamb has been finding out more about Nazi propaganda.

Away from the front line of battle during the Second World War, an all

together different campaign was being fought. From the heart of the

English cid, the Ashdown Forest in Sussex was the location of one of

Britain's most important secret weapons, it was called, Aspidistra.

Aspidistra was a powerful transmitter.

The plan was to use it to broadcast fake German programmes to the

Germans, spreading misinformation and propaganda.

So, why did we need Aspidistra? Well, by 1941, Britain was losing

the propaganda war with Nazi Germany, they had more transmitters

and greater firepower. Winston Churchill understood the importance

of the radio broadcast to not just compete with the Germans but to

overwhelm them. The transmitter was installed in a under ground bunker.

Here in the middle of nowhere, how did they do it? How did they build

it? There was a group of Canadian army engineers, they helped to

build it. There was a four foot building which was two feet thick.

It began transmiting on November 8th, in 1942 from deep under the

ground. Less Raulings, worked on the France

mitter after the war and has archives of the transmissions.

So, Less, these are some of the original recordings that were

broadcast from here? Yes. Would you like a little listen? Yes.

So, how convincing would a programme like that have been?

all the music programmes for the Germans were from the Reich. Then

the programmes were faded in so that the Germans were convinced it

was their own station. Aspidistra was used to jam the

commands given to fighter pilots, leaving our aircraft at less risk

of attack during bombing raids. Of course, this saved our aircraft

from being shot down. Did is save a lot of aircraft?

did think we were saving up to 35air craft a night.

? -- 35 aircraft a night. But the effects of the transmitter

was so powerful that the locals said they could hear German voices

coming out of the wire around the site.

Around the village, of course, things affect Paula Radcliffe the

telephones, people would pick up a telephone and there was the news in

German. Hearing aids in those days, of course, were simple devices, the

poor people could not hear what was going nonthe room, but they could

hear what was going out to Germany. But the campaign was not without

controversy. There was a message falsely claiming that the home town

of a commander was bombed, and some felt that the tactics went too far.

It was argued that we should be broadcasting messages of hope and

sympathy to Europe, not black propaganda, but the broadcasts

continued until the end of the war. The sheer scale of Aspidistra made

it a very important weapon of war. Just a Winston Churchill intended.

It was a big help in defeating the Nazi propaganda machine, turning

the war of words into Britain's favour.

The Second World War was fought on all fronts, the air, the land and

the sea, but it is clear that the secret work of the people here in

this remote corner of Sussex also played a crucial role in the Allied

victory. And Larry joins us now in the

studio. A remarkable story? Yes, the Germans were way ahead of us

with the propaganda. They were doing it from 1932 with Joseph

Goebbels through to 1939. So Winston Churchill decided to steal

the march on them. They got this guy, a refugee in England, a

Berliner who, was able to convince the audiences that the Aspidistra

was beaming into Germany, that he was a disaffected ex-Prussian

officer. This was derder. He was telling people that the Nazis were

a bunch of gangsters, that Adolf Hitler was a loser. Feeding them

everything that they did not want to hear. So the system of beaming

propaganda to the enemy was carried on through to the Korean conflict

and through to the Falklands War. The Ministry of Defence took over

the BBC World transmission services, and basically what they did was

invented a radio station Radio South Atlantic, which in theory was

supposed to be broadcast in nice South American music, and giving

interesting information about what was going on about the poor old

Argentinian troops stationed on the Falklands, but the problem was that

they got the music wrong, so they were transferring Mexican music.

They got three specialists from the MoD, they all spoke Spanish, but

they did not speak Spanish with the right accent so the men were

listening to propaganda that was very definitely not quite the thing.

You had good pronouncation there, though! I was one of them! They

reckon that the Argentinians that I worked with speak Argentinian like

a Mexican bandit! Well, the big news is that there are 20 Spitfires

buried in Birmingham. How they got there and why is a question for

Steve. Welcome, stee, nice to see you. How

did you find out about the Spitfires were buried in

Birmingham? How did it come about? I run a Spitfire Academy. We train

people to fly Spitfires, we were approached by some people recently

who had been working on the project for many years. So we are now

working tote. Are you sure it is them? If it is,

what are you going to do with them? We don't know yet. We have not seen

them. They are under the ground. Six metres down. So very deep. We

have sure that they are there. We have eyewitness reports. We have

collaborated with people to find them on ground radar, but it is

going to be a big job. We want to keep our viewers

informed with this one. Now, here on The One Show we have heard

amazing stories have people forced to make big decisions from the man

who had the first sex change to a medic who fled the front line in

Afghanistan, but here is a woman who was faced with a heartbreaking

choice. I am Melanie Jaggard. Five years

ago I was diagnosed with an incurable form of cancer. My big

decision was to start a family, not knowing what the future would hold.

Me lerbgs is besoted with her baby, or this in case babies, but her

joys mingled with the worry of how long she will have with them. Mel

is one of the few women in the world to get pregnant while

suffering an extremely rare form of cancer.

Take me back to what was happening in your life in May, 2007? I was in

my midto late 20s, with lots of friends in London. Socialising a

bit. Having a great time doing it Mell's cancer was discovered after

a routine scan after a ruptured eardrum.

I was expecting to get a less than hideous diagnosis and actually got

the worse one that I could have expected.

She was diagnosed with ACC. There was a tumour below the base of her

skull that needed immediate surgery. Any repercussions from the surgery?

I lost the hearing in my right ear. I can't feel a part of my face.

Like when you have been to the dentist and they numb the jaw.

After the operation, she was told she would never be free of ACC, but

a year later with repeated scans showing that there were no more

tumours things were looking good. When Charlie came into her life, it

was even better it was love at first sight. He proposed in Paris.

It seemed perfect. Before you got married you had another scan?

I was having them every six months at that point. The scanner, luckily,

as it turns out, managed to get the top two centimetres of my lungs in

his scan. There were tumours, like the night

sky on a clear night. Some of them tiny, some of them bigger, but

everywhere. The reaction is selfish, after the initial shock, it is then

a feeling of right, what are we going to do about this.

They went ahead with the wedding, then came the most difficult

dilemma, should they risk having children? The problem was that no-

one knew if pregnancy would make the cancer worse or pose a risk to

the unborn child. After research and with the support of their

medical team, Mell got pregnant. It is all about the flight path of

the development of the tumour. So as long as they are growing slowly,

indoe lently, then the potential life-span can be 10, 1520 plus

years. Someone may say it is a selfish

decision, me wanting a family, but not being here to raise them it was

not a decision that we took lightly at all.

What was the pregnancy like? Any problems? Everything was fine,

until the last six weeks, then the sheer size of everything pushing up

meant that I was coughing a bit. Describe the moment when the twins

were born? I was gobsmacked. I could not believe that I had made

two of them. I still look at them now and I can't believe it

Mel decided not to have the regular scans during the pregnancy because

of the radiation risk to the twins. So she had no why that the cancer

may have grown. Once they were a few days old, she had her first

scan in a year. What did it show? It showed that

the tumour has grown. It must have been a difficult

moment, given you had new-born twins? Yes. We took from that the

hormone imbalance caused the growth or it could be that the tumours

decided to grow any way, whether I was pregnant or not.

The most recent scan shows that the tumours have not grown larger. The

family are hopeful, despite the uncertain future.

It no is not hard to stay positive about what we are dealing with.

believe we have time on our side and that in that period of time a

way to deal with the cancer, either a cure or a way of managing it will

be found. Well, we have spoken to Mel today.

She told us that life is magic. That the twins, six months and a

week old are keeping them on their toes, giving them more reason to

remain 100%. For more information about ACC go to the website. It is

all there for you. Robson if you could choose anywhere

in Britain to go fishing, where would you go and what would you

catch? It is in the north-east of England, on the River Culci tt, and