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$:/STARTFEED. Hello and welcome to the one one -- the One Show with

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Matthew Baker and Alex Jones. Angela Rippon is with us as Rip Off

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Britain becomes part of the show. We'll also meet Spandau Ballet's

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Gary and Martin Kemp. They are back in the world of gangsters. There

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they are. What do you think they're looking at? Savage! And, we've got

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another guest. A man who used to be save sath, but is one of the

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country's most -- savage, but is one of the country's best-loved

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entertainers. Hiya. I always seem to do ten jobs in the day and on a

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motorbike like a maniac. 15 minutes ago I got off the bike and flung in.

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Covered me cuts off the puppies. How is everything back home on the

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farm? You must love spring that is finally here? It's being like

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trapped in a film, grey and drizzle. Every morning I've looked out and

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thought there would be a tap dripping all in monochrome, shot in

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a different angle. The difference in people. Your pigs are loving the

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sun? They have a mud bath and they lie in it and I put suntan oil on

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them in case they burn. They smell lovely. Paul is hosting the British

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Animal Honours, which recognises the achievements of extraordinary

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animals and the people who work with them. We will found out --

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find out more later. And we'll reward the animal dishonours. One

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of these dogs had managed to eat 109 stones at a single sitting. Can

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we guess which one? It depends how big the stones are. We want you to

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name and shame your pets tonight. Apparently, this is one of the

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latest internet crazes. It's called. You're not keen? It's called pet

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shaming. Have you heard of this? Look at this. I've heard of this,

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yeah. It's sort of Tom and Jerry relationship. It's like shaming

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your own children. Martin and Gary have got some more. What have you

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There we go. Anyway, tonight, we want your pet confessions. The idea

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is take a little photograph and write a note and send it. Yesterday,

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in a moving film, Ruth uncovered the stories of children who were

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treated for TB in the Craig-y-nos in the Brecon Beacons. Now it's

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time for them to go back over half a century later. Today, Craig-y-nos

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is a castle in the Welsh Brecon Beacons, but it was once a TB San

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forium. -- San forium. Hundreds of children and teenagers were treated

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here and today some of them have returned. We have invited them to

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share memories and discuss a time when the medical establishment was

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going to quite extreme measures to fight a truly terrible disease.

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With no cure for TB at the time, centuries' old treatments like

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exposure to cold, fresh air were the only option. At Craig-y-nos

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many children were made to live outdoors on the balcony, sometimes

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for years on end.? This is where they were? Right up the top there.

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The one there. The boys there. girls there. I was told to come for

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a fortnight and I was here for 17 months. Out in the rain and snow

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and the wind. My mother came up one winter's day and made me put a vest

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on and my sister came -- the Sister came out and give her a row and I

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had to take it off. Exposure to the cold wasn't the only treatment.

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Immobilisation was also common and to ensure children didn't move they

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were placed in plaster beds. There are casts of their bodies that kept

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them still on their backs for years. This is the cast or plait ter bed

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that many speak of. It was -- plaster bed that many speak of. It

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was molded to the body and this is what the children lay in. Not just

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for five minutes or ten minutes, but all day, every day for a year

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at a time. This one was made for a three-year-old. Not all of Craig-y-

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nos is open to the hotel's guests. Some floors have been preserved

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almost exactly as they were in the older days. This is real on here?

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Three there. I was here. Right next to the window? Yes. The doctor used

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to come out of the list and just stand there and say, "Lie down?".

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Separation from parents and siblings was often the most

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difficult part of being here. With parent only able to visit once a

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month. Many of the children felt cut off. I missed the place I grew

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up in by the sea and I missed the sea. I missed my dog. When I told

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my mother this, she told me to look out of the window there. Standing

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by the fountain was my uncle holding the dog and I suddenly

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recognised him and later on she opened her bag and took a bottle

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out and said, "Smell that." She brought me seawater. She couldn't

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do anything else really. That was the way she tried to help me.

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children weren't neglected here. Nurses like Glenys Jones became

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their surrogate family. Today, she has returned with them. What was it

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like nursing the children? There was plenty of fun. It was hard,

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mind, especially during visiting. They only visited once a month and

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then they didn't know the relatives or their parent at all. How cold

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was it for the nurses? Bitterly cold, but you weren't allowed to

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wear a cardigan in the ward, only outside. Isolation from families

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and the sometimes incredibly harsh treatments were difficult, but for

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many TB survivors, going home after years here was the biggest

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challenge of all. My friends had moved on and I hadn't. I was still

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seven going home after three years. I was seven coming in and seven

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going home. My friends didn't want to play with my dolls. My mother

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was more concerned about how the parents would take to me going back

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and playing with their children. She said to me, quopbl don't tell

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anybody you've had TB -- "Don't tell anybody you've had TB. Say it

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was a bad chest complaint." I tell people now I had TB, because I'm

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quite proud of it now. It's my scars and my medals. The story of

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tuberculosis is one of history's more harrowing -- harrowing tales,

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but the children of Craig-y-nos are some of the bravest and inspiring

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people I have ever met. Pamela from the film is here as well as Anne

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Shaw, who as well as being a resident, that's collated the

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memories of the children of Craig- y-nos. We didn't see you in the

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film, but what was the idea of getting all of the people together

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to right about this in the book and how did you do it? Well, I returned

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to Wales for a holiday in 2006 and I thought what's happened to Craig-

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y-nos? What has happened to all the children I was with? I put a blog

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up and I called it The Lost Children of Craig-y-nos. I put it

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in the newspaper and everything was whoosh. The children were alive and

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they wanted their stories told. It's been incredible for last two

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days to follow both your journeys. Pamela we saw you last night when

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you turned up at the incredibly imposing building and what it must

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have felt like a child. What was it like to go back as a child? I only

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had to go around the corner in the car and I said to my husband, I

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don't like this. I didn't want to go there. Was it odd for you to go

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back and to see where you were? didn't want to go there. I only

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went because Anne has written the book and I went up there to see the

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presentation of it. We had a reunion. That's the only reason,

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but every time I go there I get the same feeling and I've been there a

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few times since then. We are not surprised. We saw in the film you

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were put in a full-body cast. and plaster of Paris from my head

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to my feet and they let it dry and turned it over and put cotton wool

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on and gauze to keep it in and laid me down and strapped me down for

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two-and-a-half years. What effect did that have when you look back at

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that? Has it made you stronger? I don't mind, but when I was

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younger I wondered why did this happen to me, but it was the wrong

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treatment I had. I should have been having physiotherapy, so they say.

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When I came out of hospital my mother went to a doctor and he said

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I shouldn't have gone to Craig-y- nos. It's all I knew as a child.

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One of the other horrific treatments was to be put outside

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and Anne you were one of those children? How long? Four years.

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Some of the time was out on the balcony. Actually, people were

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horrified of that life, but it was OK. It was better than being inside.

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You made ice lollies out there? I remember, because I kept a diary,

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the temperature was minus seven and then they decided to bring us in.

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That as kind of them, wasn't it? Yeah. My mum was an orderly in a TB

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hospital and I remember the horror stories. She said the beds would be

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incased in ice with bats hanging off the beds and the children blue,

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literally unable to speak with the cold. How did she comb with that?

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She couldn't do anything, because you were ruled by the ward sister

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and the matron and that was the treatment. As an orderly you were

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the lowest on the wrung, so you had to do what you were told. She

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didn't approve and didn't think it did the children any good and it

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didn't of course. I worked in a kids' home that was a former TB

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hospital and they did the same, all the children were put out on

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balconies, in all sorts of weather. It's child abuse really. It wasn't

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willing child abuse, but when you look at it now, it was. Two years

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in I plaster case Two-and-a-half years and then six months in the

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plaster of Paris. Nobody sat with you or read to you or lessons.

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one to talk to. I was younger than most, so they never bothered with

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me. It's been harrowing to watch the film. Thank you so much for

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letting us share the story and good luck with with the book and thank

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you for telling the story. I had a rat in bed with me. I have to tell

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you this. She was my pet. I was screaming. I was tied down and I

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felt something across my feet. I woke up and all of a sudden it run

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up and it passed my face, the fur and the tail. I just was screaming.

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You've been through the mill. It's all in the book. There was a nurse

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who calmed me down and brain-washed me, because I've never been afraid

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of rats since. She said, "It's Joey. Our pet." She said he wanted to

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come and see me. I don't know how this will fit into your next story,

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because we are going on to the world of health and safety. There

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are pros and cons. But there is a bright-yellow playing on our

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streets. Arthur Smith is getting into a tiz about hi viz. Day-glo

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jackets. That ghastly colour is everywhere. It's like some deity

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has flicked bright-yellow paint on the world. Of course, high viz

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clothing can be genuinely life- saving. It was orange when railway

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workers started wearing it in Scotland in 1964. The train drivers

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said they could spot them from a greater distance. Orange because it

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shows up against the yellow signals. Elsewhere, it's mainly yellow.

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Emergency services and motorway maintenance teams, cyclists, you

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It is now part of the bureaucracy, you have to do it? Yes, since 1974.

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There are interesting statistics. Since 2000-2010, their characters

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and injuries declined by about 20% and we think it is down to high-

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visibility garments -- the amount of injuries. The man with a bright

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idea was Bob, a young American, who in the 1930s was partly blinded in

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an industrial accident. To try and see more clearly, he started

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experimenting with fluorescent minerals. By mixing them with wood

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varnish, he and his brother created the world's first fluorescent paint.

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It differs from ordinary paint in how it is affected by light waves.

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The energy that the Paint absorbs from short-wave light, like all

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divided, is converted to visible light by the chemicals in the paint

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-- like Portrush violence. The clothing appears to glow because of

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the ultraviolet sun rays absorbed by the fluorescence. But has high-

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vis now become so common that danger stops meaning danger and

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high-visibility becomes invisibility? Looking like order

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varied work then, these three robbers walked through a department

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store in Manchester and rat half-a- million pounds worth of designer

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watches that Rab. That was last September and no one has been

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arrested. Now the police might take up the flash. They are considering

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all their offices in hive his jackets all the time, concealing

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their navy blue uniform -- and that are considering putting all their

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officers in high-vis. A psychologist discovered -- studies

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this and says what inspires confidence is the sight of the

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police and navy blue. They are a three main colours, and blue and

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yellow or two of them. Blue is the colour that at divides the mind, it

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helps you to think clearly and it communicates that you know what

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you're doing -- activates. Yellow is the colour of emotions and

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focuses on the ego and self- confidence and equally on the

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negative side, it can be a bit scary. I don't know about colour

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psychology. I tell you what, though, wearing one of these gives me the

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cheapest route to authority. Let's try it out.

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Can you walk in the gutter, please? Can you go this way around, please?

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Excuse me, pigeon. Can you get off the pavement,

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please? Excuse me, could you go this side of the sign? Thank you.

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Could you sit there, please, rather than there.

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See, it works. I should say, if you are thinking of joining the high-

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vis Club, it does come with responsibilities. You do need to

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read it is European safety directives. Inside, it tells you

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how yellow and have to wash it. Because you don't want someone in a

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yellow jacket knocking on your door, do you?

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The authority that high-vis de Schoof. Paul, you're not a fan, are

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you? A not at all, I am always thinking they are a lot of builders

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around. IC the practicality of it, especially if you are a cyclist

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that night -- I can say. But surely they could make them fashionable.

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Imagine the in one of them. You are hosting the British Animal Honours

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tomorrow night. It is going to be a star-studded affair in the animal

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world. Humans as well, get on it, for the work they have done for

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conservation. It was really... It was good for the soul, it really

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was, to be there, and see all of these marvellous animals and the

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effect they have had on people. Tell us about Allen And her Haatchi.

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They are a lovely couple. -- Allen. He is a little cracker, I fell for

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him immediately. Owen has got a dog called Haatchi, who has got three

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legs, because he had an accident on a railway line, the train ran over

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him and he had to have his leg amputated, so the two of them

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together, this dog is huge, and you have little Owen in his wheelchair,

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and they adored each other. Let's meet them and see what a difference

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Haatchi has made to Owen's life. The confidence in Alyn has grown

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considerably since Haatchi came into his life. Haatchi is a great

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doctor me. And he likes me. -- a great bulk to me. It has made him

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feel he is not that different to everyone else and he has the right

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to a great life too. He is awesome. That brings a tear to the eye. Alex

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has gone already. Watch the programme, you will be in pieces!

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He is such a brave little lad and this relationship between the pair

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of them. Because he lacks in self- confidence, doesn't he? Completely,

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and he thinks everyone was staring at him but when he got the dog,

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people said that the dog and he didn't feel like the centre of

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attention. Haatchi is so laid-back and it is a great relationship.

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of the stories of the nominees are incredible. How do you pick a

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winner? There were so many, there was a homeless guy with his cat,

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that transformed his life. A we had that on here. The cat high-five me

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when I went in. The rail sunshine award for the Yorkie the pony. --

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the rate of sunshine of war. does so much for the disabled, it

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is like he has a 6th sense. He was different with me, he was more

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delicate with somebody in a wheelchair. It was incredible,

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these animals, the stuff they do. Alexander I have already been

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introduced to your key, one person who loved him was Michael. -- Alex

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and I. Michael will go in and see him and sit him -- with him and

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tell him his problems. And Yorkie the pony will just listen. Michael

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will arrive, get on the cart and they would go around the village.

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Michael lived for Yorkie the pony. He took away Michael's disabilities.

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It was lovely to see. It is such a sad story, because Yorkie the pony

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was even at Michael's euro. Outside the church. -- Michael's funeral.

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It shows you, there is more to animals. It is the sense of wanting

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to be with you and help you. One of my dogs are supposed to be being

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spayed, and he starts vomiting, and as soon as I say he is too sick to

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go he makes a miraculous recovery. He is more vain than Simon Cowell,

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always looking at himself. He is a cracker. It did mention at the

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start, it is not just the animals that get the awards. There is a

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wonderful couple. On the Isle of Skye, they have done remarkable

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work, they adopt orphaned otters. As soon as I had that, I thought I

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would go up there. It was a long time since I had been there, they

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do remarkable work. This is grace and Paul Yoxon, you are going to go

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and see them? I love it up there. You are becoming the Goto man for

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animals. I am, I am sort of Dr Dolittle. The thing is, I do get on

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with animals, I have a special relationship with them. They just

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do things that I want them to do. I say to sit down and behave yourself

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and they do. I don't know if it is here... Tell us about these

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puppies? I am like Edwards is a Hants, thank God for your make-up

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department. I have these puppets and I get on the floor and play

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with them and I get covered in saliva and dog hairs that puppies.

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I look like I am having an attack. And we have to say congratulations,

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up for the love of dogs is our -- for the love of dogs is nominated

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for a bad after. It is up against the Olympics and the Great British

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Bake Off. Fingers crossed, I hope they get sick of Battersea Dogs

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Home's sake. You are in great company. -- I hope they get it.

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British Animal Honours are awarded to animals to help people and

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people who help animals, but what about those pets to cause nothing

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but trouble? We thought we would honour them as well with alarm and

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British animal dishonours. So it is ever to Alex Riley. The first award

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is called the Indiana Bones award for getting into deep trouble. And

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the winner is... It is Louloudis Jack Russell and

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Hannah Gina from Buckinghamshire. -- Lulu. What happened? We were out

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for a regular walker and Louloudis appeared than a rabbit hole. --

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Lulu it disappeared. By Monday, I took things into my and hands and

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organised take eating mission. were so desperate, you dug up a

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whole road. I was going to move the earth to get Taback, literally.

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did you get around? We located her under a lot of obsolete pipes, we

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could hear her crying on the Monday night and the urban rescue came out

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on Monday night and said because we had located her, they would come

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back in the morning and they came back, and I was holding her by 3

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o'clock, alive and well. Would you like to thank anybody? The at and

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rescue at Aylesbury, thank you. -- urban rescue. Here is your reward.

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Thank you. My son saw that on the news and he ran through and said,

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you will never believe it, five days down a drain! It is amazing

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how resilient they are. We will have more of those later. No. More

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-- number back more categories. We will also be talking to Spandau

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Ballet's Gary and Martin Kemp. we wondered what life was like for

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the boys before they became pop gods.

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We are going back to the streets where we grew up. It was a very

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open house, but we invented sections. We had two bedrooms, a

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living room, a tiny kitchen and we all shared one outside toilet in

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the yard. Mum had you two years earlier in St Barts and had me at

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home, I wind blew and they had to rush me to hospital. I got my first

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guitar when I was 11 and wrote all of my first songs in that bedroom.

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This is our school, for me, it was all about playing football, your

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first kiss, burning wood with a magnifying glass. I remember

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smashing one of the windows with a football. I ran straight out of the

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school, crying all the way home, thinking my life was over. I can

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remember modern being a dinner lady and the smell of the cooking -- our

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mum. Lovely memories. They used to be a see-saw. It was

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where we played football. A I had my worst memory as a child here. I

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remember coming home from school and I had a terrible stomach and I

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put myself, and I spent about an hour in the toilet crying, waiting

:27:28.:27:38.
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for someone to come and get me. I have never said that before. They

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used to be at Bakers. This was the greengrocer's we used to work in on

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Saturdays and in the evenings and at the school holidays. It was one

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of those greengrocer's that had a beautiful display of fruit on the

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front, it was really old school. I brought the first courgettes in to

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our house. I took it home and we put it on the table and sat around

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staring at it and nobody knew what to do. One of my earliest memories

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of Gary is taking his guitar into school and playing it in assembly.

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I was about 11. I remember growing up and being proud of him, it was

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never jealousy or read rivalry, it was always looking up to him.

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Gary? Let's get something to eat. This is just beautiful, it is

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exactly how it was. I remember sitting in exactly this stall, mind

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and would be chomping away on jellied eels, and I would sit here

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and my mother would City, and we would have pie and mash and liquor.

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That would sit here. This was a special treat for us. It was the

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first restaurant I ever came to. was the only restaurant. I don't

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remember coming here with that. he was working overtime on

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Saturdays. He was a printer and he worked in the Angel in Islington. I

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remember, when he put on the brown coat, he became a different person.

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He got me my first job, in the print, after school. I was there

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for a year. One afternoon I said I wanted to leave and join the band,

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so I made my dad write him -- write a letter to get the out of the

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apprenticeship, and it said I had to leave the job because I wanted

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to become a pop star. What I realise from being in this

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area is our life was in such a small space. It so much grew out of

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that. All day and this one street. $:/STARTFEED. From a trip down

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memory lane, please welcome Gary and Martin Kemp.

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APPLAUSE Nice to see you both. This is

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really strange, because you Paul and Martin have been on holiday

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together.? We have. We were on a plane with Shirley and I could hear

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Paul's voice from behind. We spent about a week just going around

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because you were doing the travel show. Shall I sit over there?

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was a lovely three or four minutes. You were still chatting away there.

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Amazing trip. Absolutely, yeah. It hasn't changed as much as I thought

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it should have done to be honest. It was exactly the same as I

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remember it. Yeah. The pie and mash was childhood on a plate. It was so

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nostalgic. It stayed with me for quite a while after! Brilliant.

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There was a certain lady in the shop who wouldn't confess to

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something? Yeah, she said, "We went to the same school." She said I was

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the first boy she ever kissed. It's a shame she wouldn't be filmed.

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She's ashamed of it. We'll stay in the past and talk about Spandau

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Ballet and how Martin ended up in the band. How I got into the band?

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It was a funny one, because I remember going out carrying the

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equipment for the band and I remember packing it into a car.

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Look at him. How could he ever be a roady? My mum is shouting out of

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the window, "You better put him in the band as well." I think it came

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from that. Was he a good musician? No, he couldn't play, but the guy

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who managed us we need to get a really good-looking bloke in the

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band. We said we didn't know anybody. He said your brother, he's

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surrounded by girls with the blue eyes. I taught him the base.

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bass. I had three weeks. You know it's your ticket. That was the

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fourth job we had done together. Paper round together and we had

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already been on TV and the green grocers so we carried on. Just as

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well you get on then. It's the 30th anniversary of True, which was...

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That was a turning point in the band, peapbt it? It was our first

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record to go to number one and changed our lives. There's a line

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in it, I bought a ticket to the world and that song was. It went

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more pop than the new romantics. was more soulful. Being soul boys

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was kind of our history. We had grown up with a lot of soul music

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and that's the way - it was an experiment for us, but worked.

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were you a fan, because you were more Northern Soul? It was all - we

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had the Wig and Casino. They didn't sell booze. I would be accused of

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all sorts. You are going to dance and take a change of clothes.

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your bowling bag. You think you're looking tough to go to Wigan and go

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to a cafe in the morning to eat. It was great music. Yeah. Camaraderie.

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Did you pre-empt the whole Gold thing for the Olympics? You must

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have been thinking? It was a 30- year plan. We saw it coming and it

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was something - we were both really proud of it. Gary must have been,

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he wrote the song, but me too. It's my band's song. I was completely

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proud. We were a little peeved we didn't get on the final show. I'll

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get over it. When Helen Glover and Helen Standing got the first gold

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it was on my watch and I was the first one to play it,... Absolute

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Radio played it for every medal. 29 times. Even I was embarrassed about

:34:35.:34:45.
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that! You last toured as a band in 2010, was it? Yeah. It was an

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amazing tour. It was the biggest we ever did. We had a rough history

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with each other, so it was great to get back in the sense of home that

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we get from the band. Put it to one side and move on. It was the nicest

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year I've ever spent. A year spent full of belly laughing, which you

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don't get to do that much. We all grin and smile a lot, but none of

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us really belly laugh a lot and it's so good for you and to get

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back with my mates again after all that time, all that an no, sirity

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gone. Fantastic. You are working together again, which we'll talk

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about in a little while. It's all about the gangs of Britain. Earlier,

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we asked you at home to share your pet pictures. And shame your pets.

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We have some brilliant ones here. Paul, do you want to do that?

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got Martin's cat Smudge eats spiders and leaves bits around the

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house. It's not his cat. Is one is lilly the greyhound. She won't go

:35:45.:35:52.

in the garden if the chickens are out. Bless her. This is Amy's

:35:52.:35:55.

greedy dog from South Wales, who has eaten a slab of butter. That

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can't be good for them. My dogs have ate a slab of butter. It's not

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the going in, it's the coming out. Labradors eat anything. We've got

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one over there. Here is Mike on why some of our swans aren't as

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protected as you might think. Between six and seven thousand

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Bewick Swans make the 2,500,000 mile -- 2,500-mile journey to the

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UK. There can be bad weather and obstacles like windfarms, but they

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also face the danger of being shot. It's against the law to shoot swans

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in the UK and the rest of Europe. But, here at Slimbridge they've got

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evidence to prove it still happens. Julia heads the research team. This

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is an x-ray of a Bewick Swans and there are pale blobs and that's

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actually showing shotgun pellets, so this swan has been shot at.

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can see it clearly there. One, two, three, four. Possibly five. Some

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swans do survive shooting and so carry shotgun pellets in their

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bodies for many years. Researchers suspect the shooters are either

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unaware of the problem, or just flouting the law. There may be some

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people who simply don't know that the swans are protected and they

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are not allowed to shoot them. There could be others that perhaps

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shoot swans mistaking them for other legally shot wild foul or it

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could be purposeful and illegal shooting. Are birds being shot in

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the UK? We have found them, but we have found them being shot in other

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countries. What we don't know at the moment is what extent the

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shootings are happening in each country. To try to understand the

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scale of the problem, researchers back in the 70s decided to start x-

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raying the swans that arrived here. This has continued every year since

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then. But to do it, it involves luring the wild swans into a netted

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tunnel and once they think they've trapped enough, an army of

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volunteers round them up with nets and cages. Look at this. I've got

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an adult. Time to get it in a pen. Today, they've caught some familiar

:38:23.:38:33.

faces. Two females called Gulvis and Pom. She was first caught and

:38:33.:38:38.

ringed here in 2009. We x-rayed it all those years ago and she had no

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shot in her body tissue at all. will be x-rayed again, but for

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Gulvis, this will be the first time. They will only be x-rayed on a

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couple of occasions so it won't harm them. Martin Brown has been x-

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raying the swans for the last 40 years and back in the 80s nearly

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half the birds he saw had pellets embedded. Today, there's good and

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bad news. I have got pom and it looks like she is clear. There is

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nothing in that one at all. That is a second or even third time that

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we've x-rayed that bird. That's a good news. The bad news is in your

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hand. Yep. This is Gulvis has a pellet in it. It is just one shot

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in there. This is the tip of the iceberg really, because there are

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lots of birds that don't come back and just don't recover from being

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shot. They are either killed or injured so badly they don't

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continue with their migration. the x-ray data in hand, the trust

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are working hard to stop the shooting along the migration route.

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Recent we established a project with other conservation

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organisations and crucially hunting organisations as well throughout

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Europe and Russia. It is very important that we get everyone on

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board with this, because hunters, farmers, environmentalists, we tend

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to have the same aim and that is sustainable numbers of bird.

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Hopefully that message seems to be getting through. Thanks to the x-

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raying of live swans, the numbers found to be shot has dropped from a

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high of around 40% to around 23% today. Once x-rayed, the swans are

:40:30.:40:33.

released. They will eventually return back to their Arctic

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breeding grounds in Russia. Thanks to the work from Julia and her

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colleagues, hopefully the people all along the fly-way will be a lot

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smarter as to the problems of illegal shooting. Time to release

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You see, you never know the work that goes on. As we touched on

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earlier, you are back working together. This time, you are

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investigating the criminal gangs of Britain historic gangs and present.

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How does it work. I do all the 19th century and early 20th century

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gangs. Each episode is a different city. We went to Glasgow and

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Liverpool and Manchester and London and Birmingham. Martin does all the

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more recent ones. It's kind of comparing and contrasting between

:41:28.:41:34.

then and now. We cut back and forwards to social historians and

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victims and trying to explore what makes kids join gangs and some of

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the sort of more famous stories that surround them in each place.

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You then pick up through the modern side. Would you say... Gary took

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the safe side! You are doing the risky bit? I prefer talking about

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people who are already dead. On a serious note, did you feel safe?

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It's one of those things that the more dangerous it is the more you

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want to do it, because they are the stories that are most interesting

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for you. For me, it wasn't really - I never felt in danger when I was

:42:09.:42:13.

doing the show. I felt sorry for some of the guys we spoke to,

:42:13.:42:16.

because they were the guys who had to stay behind and they told their

:42:16.:42:21.

stories and they were opening up because they wanted to. Because

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they wanted to change the problem of gangland violence. They were

:42:25.:42:29.

saying their bit. They were the ones who were staying behind. They

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had to be braver than I did. I was reporting it. As you say, the

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stories are started by Gary. You start off in Glasgow speaking to an

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historian about the Billy Boys of Bridgeton. Billy, who formed them,

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according to the story, was beaten by a gang of Catholics in his late

:42:51.:42:59.

teens and they decided that he would form his own gangs to

:42:59.:43:05.

basically anything they could do ehe could do bloodier. Here are the

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Billy Boys. Dressed in their marching regalia. Right here in the

:43:10.:43:14.

centre, with the big bass drum, that's their leader, Billy

:43:14.:43:22.

Fullerton himself. It seemed to permanently rain. Always raining in

:43:22.:43:25.

Glasgow. My umbrella became a character. It's really important

:43:25.:43:33.

not to glamourise the gangs. Absolutely. Gangs are glamorous

:43:33.:43:40.

though, that's why kinds join them. We were in a gang, but our weapons

:43:40.:43:44.

were git tarz. It's when it turns to violence. You can't glamourise

:43:44.:43:49.

that. It doesn't appear like that. It's about kids belonging to

:43:49.:43:54.

somebody and what you realise they don't feel that they've got that at

:43:54.:43:58.

home, so they're finding another family on the street. We are very

:43:58.:44:02.

aware of not glamourising the gangs. We try to give a rounded argument

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as to why the gangs are there and what they're doing and how they're

:44:06.:44:09.

making their money and we are very aware of that problem.

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Interestingly, the Glasgow Police recently came up with a great idea

:44:14.:44:18.

of trying to tackle gang culture and you cover that. That's Martin's

:44:18.:44:24.

area. It's tackled, but in small groups. You have groups like

:44:24.:44:29.

mothers against violence and fathers against gangs and it's all

:44:29.:44:34.

small groups dotted around and people affected by gangs. Do they

:44:34.:44:39.

get everyone together? It's not a Government-run thing to solve it.

:44:39.:44:43.

It's small groups who are solving the problem and actually now I

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think the last two years have been the best two years they've had,

:44:48.:44:51.

less violence, so they're doing something that is right. A move in

:44:51.:44:57.

the right direction. The programme starts on Sunday on the crime

:44:57.:45:03.

investigation network on Sky 553 and Virgin 237. Yours, Paul, on

:45:03.:45:07.

Gypsy Rose Lee, it couldn't have been further from the boys'? I two

:45:07.:45:17.
:45:17.:45:24.

weeks with strippers of all, shapes You are not going to show me

:45:24.:45:32.

bumping and grinding it? We are not saying anything. We are going to go

:45:32.:45:41.

the other way, bump the Orange, bumper the apple. Grind. I wish I

:45:41.:45:51.
:45:51.:45:51.

had been like this years ago. Brilliant. It was like the Rocky

:45:51.:45:57.

Horror Show. It is time for another British animal dishonour, Alex,

:45:57.:46:03.

what is the next award? The Stomach of Steel award, for heroic die

:46:03.:46:10.

Chesham. Let's have a look who the winner is. -- heroic die Chesham.

:46:10.:46:13.

It is born in the brown Labrador and his owner Kim from Chessington.

:46:13.:46:23.
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-- Barney. What did... Down, boy. You took him to the vets and what

:46:24.:46:31.

did they find? They found 109 stones in his tummy. From the beach.

:46:31.:46:35.

And this is an X-ray from the pebbles. And you have brought along

:46:35.:46:43.

the pebbles that she found in his stomach. Here they are. That was

:46:43.:46:49.

saying that dog's insides. So how did they get that out? He had an

:46:49.:46:56.

emergency operation. And how his Barney now, apart from Bury lad?

:46:56.:47:06.
:47:06.:47:06.

is very good. -- Howard is? think he is a very worthy winner.

:47:06.:47:16.
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Congratulations, Barney. Well done. Good boy. Does he buy it? He has

:47:18.:47:28.

got the award and he has eaten it. One more ward still to come.

:47:28.:47:32.

Elephant and Blue Peter springs to mind. We mentioned that the start

:47:32.:47:35.

of the show that Angela Rippon is here, because today we start

:47:36.:47:40.

something special. Rip Off Britain is joining forces with The One Show.

:47:40.:47:44.

Every Wednesday for the next couple of months, Angela and her Rip Off

:47:44.:47:48.

Britain colleagues will investigate consumer issues around the UK.

:47:48.:47:51.

first report is about unhappy neighbours who told her they did

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When most of the residents chose to live in this type of housing, the

:47:58.:48:02.

attraction was having a full-time warden. What they did not bargain

:48:02.:48:05.

on was having the security and assistance that those orders

:48:06.:48:10.

provided being taken away from them. It seems that the residents who

:48:10.:48:13.

live in the sheltered accommodation in Barnet in north London have a

:48:13.:48:17.

bit of a battle on their hands. They may be elderly and some of

:48:17.:48:21.

them may be quite frail, but when it comes to receiving service here

:48:21.:48:24.

in this sheltered accommodation, they think they are being ripped

:48:24.:48:30.

off. When 70 sexual Elizabeth James moved into this sheltered housing,

:48:30.:48:37.

there was a live-in warden -- 76- year-old. Last year, the service

:48:37.:48:42.

was reduced. If somebody is here in a regular basis, they know all of

:48:42.:48:45.

the tenants and they know what their problems are and what to do.

:48:45.:48:51.

A Ward and helps to bring a sense of community. And also responsible

:48:51.:48:56.

for doing certain practical things. Yes, like changing lightbulbs and

:48:56.:49:00.

things. We have now been told we have to be responsible for our on

:49:00.:49:04.

small repairs, things like cleaning the shower head, which read it, I

:49:04.:49:09.

cannot do. I think it is disgraceful and we are not getting

:49:09.:49:13.

value for money. The whole point of the place was to provide a caring

:49:13.:49:18.

atmosphere for elderly people. their full-time warden, Elizabeth

:49:18.:49:22.

and her neighbours feel more vulnerable. One night in February,

:49:22.:49:27.

the residents left without power and heating overnight. When we had

:49:27.:49:31.

the power cut, nobody came at all to check. To see if everybody was

:49:31.:49:36.

all right, bearing in mind that they are rolled and some are

:49:36.:49:40.

partially sighted. Do you find that when you go round the building to

:49:40.:49:43.

talk to your neighbours, that is what the warden should be doing?

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Yes. Residents like Elizabeth say that that dependable, on-site

:49:50.:49:53.

support is that so that the invaluable, so that is why so many

:49:53.:49:56.

of the residents of really angry that their full-time warden has

:49:56.:50:01.

been taken away. Like many other local authorities facing tough

:50:01.:50:04.

spending decisions, Barnet council have replaced residential wardens

:50:04.:50:08.

with what is known as floating support, which means that each

:50:08.:50:11.

housing officer will be shared across a number of sites, visiting

:50:11.:50:17.

for approximately three-four hours a day Monday to Friday. Fewer hours

:50:17.:50:22.

mean that the residents feel more all the rubble. The present wardens

:50:22.:50:32.
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I had a social order and I think she suggested I came here because

:50:35.:50:39.

it was sheltered accommodation and somebody was on call all the time,

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but there isn't. Does it make you feel unsafe? I do not feel safe.

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They think we are silly old me Fein makers and they don't always

:50:51.:50:55.

consider what their actions are going to have on us mentally. They

:50:55.:51:01.

don't treat us as a grown-up people. We are like children. A absolutely.

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Residents used to pay nearly 31p per week for it wouldn't be on site

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every weekday. -- fetid �1. They now pay �19.50 for a warden who is

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contracted to come afield hours every day. But they are adamant

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that it is too much for a warden they barely see. The fear you get

:51:20.:51:25.

value for money? Not now. It was until about three years ago, until

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this terrible cuts a cad. They should be here from nine until five,

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that was what I was told when I moved in. If we are paying over �19

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a week and you multiply that by 24, 400 and something a week, I'm quite

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sure that somebody would be more than happy to come and work here

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full time for that money. Barnet council say there is adequate cover

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when a warden is not on site, because the residents and call a 24

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hour emergency line. So if you had known that this piece

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of red cord was going to be part of your so-called sheltered

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accommodation Service, of which should have come here? Certainly

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not. I thought there was going to be a physical presence 24 hours,

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and I feel really lets down and ripped off. -- let down. Angela has

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joined us now, what have Barnet council said? They say they did

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consult for the residents before they made the changes. The

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residents said they were told, but it is in the small print of their

:52:28.:52:33.

terms and conditions that they can change. That is why we always say

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on Rip Off Britain, read the small print. They go on to say that an

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increasing number of people are choosing to stay in their own homes

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rather than go into sheltered accommodation, so they have

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adjusted the way they support their residents, so they can target

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support based on the individual needs, irrespective of where people

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are living. They do point out that when sheltered housing officers are

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not on site, the residents do have that red cord which gives them 24

:52:58.:53:03.

hours response. But it is not immediate. You have this incredible

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way of getting results, and we are going to be doing this for a few

:53:06.:53:12.

weeks. What Allsopp people getting in contact about? -- what else. We

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have had a lot from people who say they are paying more for services

:53:17.:53:21.

they are getting on mind, government services, like renewing

:53:21.:53:25.

their passport, getting the European health insurance card, and

:53:25.:53:28.

also for Transport for London when they want to pay the congestion

:53:28.:53:33.

charge. Let me give you an idea, take a look at these websites. If

:53:33.:53:37.

you are somebody coming into London and she wanted the congestion

:53:37.:53:43.

charge, you will find that one of these sides, something like this

:53:43.:53:47.

will come up first in the search engines, so you will assume it is

:53:47.:53:52.

the right one. They will say you will pay the congestion charge, but

:53:52.:53:55.

they also charges something like six fans for a service charge,

:53:55.:54:00.

which they say is for extras, like a 24 hour telephone service that

:54:00.:54:10.
:54:10.:54:13.

six pound. -- �6. Take a look at the official Transport for London

:54:13.:54:18.

site, because you will find on the traditional one, the official one,

:54:18.:54:23.

you just pay the charge for coming into London, the congestion charge.

:54:23.:54:26.

The thing is, the unofficial websites are not doing anything

:54:26.:54:30.

illegal, they are entirely allowed to do that but they do have to say

:54:30.:54:35.

they are not the official website, by law they have to say that. And

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officially, it is �10 and if you don't want those extra services,

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that is all you have to pay, so what would you pay the extra if you

:54:42.:54:47.

don't need to? And the same applies if you are applying for the

:54:47.:54:49.

European health insurance card, which is invaluable if you are

:54:50.:54:52.

travelling in a European country, because she gets all of the free

:54:52.:54:58.

services that people in that country get if you are taking L --

:54:58.:55:03.

because you debt. Again, they are not doing anything illegal, but you

:55:03.:55:07.

can get a service charge of 35 quid. On the official government side,

:55:07.:55:12.

you get exactly the same thing for free. Why would you pay the extra

:55:12.:55:17.

if you don't need the extra services? So our advice is that if

:55:17.:55:21.

you want to get these services without any additional sort of add-

:55:21.:55:25.

on goodies, if you like, go to the official government side, and the

:55:25.:55:30.

best way to find those is to go to the rip-off Britain official

:55:30.:55:34.

website or The One Show website, and we will give you a link to the

:55:34.:55:38.

official government websites, where you can get these services. Did

:55:38.:55:43.

they extra if you don't need to. is easily than if it Tight Fit into

:55:43.:55:46.

a search engine and it comes up fast, and if you Dan Snow London,

:55:46.:55:54.

16 could -- it is easily done in Kikaya it into a search engine and

:55:54.:55:58.

if you don't know London, 16 quid seems right. There is just time for

:55:58.:56:05.

one more British Animal Dishonour Awards, so over to Alex Riley.

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you. The final award is called the Curiosity Caught the Collie Award

:56:09.:56:14.

and the winner is... It is just the quali and his owner

:56:14.:56:22.

Sharon from Nottingham. -- just that. He got himself into a little

:56:22.:56:28.

bit of a pickle. What was his head stuck in? It was stuck in an air

:56:28.:56:33.

vent. I think they used to be a condensed washer there from the

:56:33.:56:38.

previous people. -- there. What did you do when you found him? I tried

:56:38.:56:42.

to get him out, because I thought he would get said, I tried shampoo

:56:42.:56:48.

and water but it did not work -- it would get at. Then I phoned the

:56:48.:56:54.

RSPCA. They got the fire brigade to come out. Finally, how was he

:56:54.:57:00.

extricated from the wall? They had to remove the window frame from the

:57:00.:57:04.

bottom, then the window and a couple of layers of bricks.

:57:04.:57:07.

they're basically dismantled half of the house to get the dog out. I

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picture were pleased, though. -- I bet you were. Have you brought

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the whole? No. You can take this and put it in there.

:57:20.:57:30.
:57:30.:57:30.

Congratulations! The Sucha mean temper, he has got!

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Congratulations. Thanks to wallop the dishonourable pets and you at

:57:34.:57:39.

home have sent in pictures of your pets. -- thanks to all of them.

:57:39.:57:47.

Paul has won. This is from Robert and Fiona in Taunton. This is

:57:47.:57:51.

similar to the last one, this is Murphy. He ate through a door in

:57:51.:57:59.

Cambridge twice. On a similar theme, been's pet rabbit keep seeking

:57:59.:58:08.

telephone wires. -- Keep Fareham eating. This is a parrot. Are you a

:58:08.:58:17.

fan of parrots? I'd do, and I like owls. I have got four. I'm going to

:58:17.:58:27.
:58:27.:58:32.

be found on a documentary on a sofa covered in Alves. -- owls. I think

:58:32.:58:35.

we should leave it there. The British Animal Honours on ITV

:58:35.:58:41.

tomorrow at 8pm. Gary and Martin, Gangs of Britain is on the Crime

:58:41.:58:44.

and Investigation Network this Sunday. Tomorrow, we have the

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