18/04/2013 The One Show

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Tonight's guest is an actor, a musician and comedian who knows

They are odd looking creatures, small, compact and jet black fur.

They have got this strange hair and big forheads and a permanent look

of surprise on their faces. They really are peculiar looking

creatures. What? LAUGHTER

Please welcome Bill Bailey. APPLAUSE

It is nice to have you back. Now, you look very much at home with

those monkeys. Yes, it was part of the evolutionary process.

You have even got the black fur on? Yes, I have. Were they friendly?

They were, yes. They are wild, but they have become used to humans and

particularly humans that are closer down the evolutionary link. Yeah, I

felt, I was comfortable around them. They were They were friendly.

You were just sat there and they came closer and closer? We were sat

in the forest and the whole troupe of them came around us and the

adults are wary and the young ones are scared. The teenagers are the

ones who are bolder and they come up to you and try and poke you.

"come on, poke him! ". Well, we will be discovering more about

Bill's adventures shortly. A new study raised questions over

whether men should be tested for pras tate cans -- prostate cancer

if they don't have the symptoms of the disease.

Jeremy Vine discovered a personal link when one of his Radio Radio 2

contractors was taken ill. The best part of the show coming

now. Hey, Herry. What a fabulous day it is. The sun is shining and

the sky is blue. This valley in South Wales is where

Terry rings my radio show every fortnight and gives us this amazing

hustling bustling update on his allotment, but away from the veg

and the soil, Terry has been having a tough time because last year he

was diagnosed with prostate cancer. Terry... Jeremy, how are you? It

was in February of 2012, I had been with a couple of beers with my

mates and I went to the loo and I passed some blood and the following

morning I managed to get an appointment with my GP who thought

it was an infection. He gave me a course of antibiotics and took

blood samples and no infection. They got you on a course of

treatment? Yes, very intensive. Some clever doctors and fis

physicisted worked out that I needed radiotherapy. That was

finished a fortnight ago and here we are now waiting for results.

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer in men in the UK claiming

10,000 lives a year. There is no test that can diagnose prostate

cancer, but if you think you have any symptoms, you should go and see

your GP. There are three things they can do,

take a blood test, refer you for a biopsy or conduct a physical

examination and it is this last one that is the problem. The nature of

the examination puts a lot men off. We wanted to find out if it really

could be that bad. So, we have enlisted the help of Dr Johnny who

is going to set-up this pop-up prostate cancer clinic on the

allotment. This cancer only affects men, but which groups? It is

unusual to get this cancer under the age of 50, unless there is a

strong family history. The idea of having their prostates examined.

So it is time to round up volunteers for the examination.

There is no national screening plan and not all men over 50 need to be

checked, if you go to your GP with symptoms of prostate cancer, what

the GP will be looking for with a physical examination is unusual

lumps and bumps on the surface of the prostate. And they will do a

blood test as well. So you are going to volunteer, Dave? I am, yes.

My brother has been diagnosed and he is going through the treatment.

Really? Relatives of a relative affected by prostate cancer are

more likely to get the disease. 12 years ago, Terry's brother was

diagnosed with prostate cancer so he brought along his sons. You

don't need much persuading? No. is one of those things you say you

will do and never get around to doing it.

Chaps, I wonder if you could take a guess where you think the prostate

gland is on this chap? Almost 70% of men don't know where the

prostate is. I wonder now we will do? Guys, you are in the rough neck

of the woods. Jeremy's pin looks the most painful. I can show you

where the prostate gland is. will spot the difference now you

can see the prostate gland. That's our little blue potato, if you like.

You can see where doctors will examine through the bottom. We have

to do that to feel the prostate gland because it sits in front of

the bottom and we can feel that back surface of it.

We know where it is, now all we have to do is get over the

embarrassment of having it checked. I think I am going to have to use

the clinic here as well. So excuse It was fine. It was absolutely fine.

It was quick and painless. Very, very fast. You have got to

climb over the embarrassment factor. Dave, all right for you? Yes, it

went OK. Me too. It was less than a minute.

Yes, no problem, no pain, easy. Speaking from experience now, I can

tell you the physical examination is short and only mildly

uncomfortable. But this test is only one part of diagnosing

prostate cancer and Johnny has recommended some people go to their

GP to have more tests. It has been a great day.

Very interesting. It was the most unusual day I have spent on the

allotment in many years. We have got your friends in the van.

I was surprised. There was a few willing volunteers and I am a great

believer in think if you have got something wrong with your body, you

need to get them checked out. Don't wait too long until next time.

Ah, thanks Jeremy and best wishes to Terry. Dr Sarah Jarvis is here.

Let's start with the symptoms of prostate cancer. The problem we

have got is the symptoms of prostate cancer can be identical to

be sign prosthetic enlargement which is a condition that happens

when you get older and isn't cancerous and that's passing urine

more often and when you get to the loo, you have to stop and not

having the stream you used to, but blood in the urine is not normal

and needs checking out, but any of the symptoms, get them checked out.

There is the physical examination that we heard Jeremy talk about in

the film there and there is the blood test that the British Medical

Journal have been talking about this week. But both of them, they

can be misleading and not conclusive? They are not as

accurate as we would like them to be, the PSA tests, two-thirds of

people you have you have this blood test and turn out not to be cancer,

but they have the worry of thinking they might. There is the fact it is

not good at picking up which cancers are going to be aggressive.

Prostate cancer is unusual because many men get prostate cancer and it

is slow growing, we estimate that for every life saved you had to

treat 48 men and sometimes those treatments can be really quite

aggressive. That's one of the reasons that at the moment, there

is is not a national screening programme because of the harms as

well. So are we saying then that men in

their late 40s and 50s, should not volume volunteer to be tested if

they are not showing the symptoms? If you have a family history,

especially if a a father, a brother or a son, if they are under 40, if

they are affected it does increase your risk. You need to go and get

yourself checked out or talk to your GP. This study suggested by

getting a test in your late 40s, we maybe able to pick up 45% men who

have aggressive cancers and reduce the nnl of men -- number of men who

get tested and get worried or treated unnecessarily. It is not

the answer yet. It is not routinely recommended. We need better testing.

Bill, you have been involved in raising funds for research in this

area? Yes, I took part in the Sledgehammer Campaign. My father-

in-law went through prostate cancer and he had a test and came up

positive and he went through the process and ten years on, he is

clear. It was a good end to the story, but as you say, it is an

imperfect test. What prostate cancer UK are are doing and the

funds are are spent on researching a better test. Hopefully there will

be something less invasive like a urine test and that's when all the

agencies are working working towards.

And checking your genes. Now, in a world of CGI and animation, you

could be forgiven for thinking the humble film prop is a thing of the

past! You could! Well, as the Warner Brothers celebrate their

90th birthy Alex Riley discovers the business of prop making is

In the last 90 years Warner Brothers produced some of the most

Take the red pill. Now Now Now that was worth getting

out of a coffin for. I have been given access to the

biggest working film studio in the UK, to look at a part of the

feature film, the props, the sets and the special effects. John, you

created the special effects in this room? Well, all the things that

operate we created. We built them for the first Harry Potter film.

Why do you think it is important to have real props as opposed to

computer generated props? It gives the actor something to interact to.

If the actor is standing here and the carrots are chopping, you get

an interaction with that. Secondly, reality if you CGI

everything, as good as these guys are, it looks CGIed a lot of the

time. Of course, many films are based

around books or comics. So how do you go about designing props for a

film that an audience has read about? This is the Wonka Bar and so

many people read the Roald Dahl book. They all had an idea what the

greatest chocolate bar should look like and somebody had to make it

and get it on the screen. Now, these are are newspapers from

the Dark Knight movies. You don't need a huge amount in the films,

but people went to a lot of trouble to mock up the newspapers. There is

a story here, scientists trap anti- matter for 16 minutes which is

great fun, but they have written an article about that. The key about

props to me is the movie -- to me as movie, lover, they can't be too

distracting. Some props are there to be noticed. Some props are there

to make your jaw drop. This is the Bat Pod. This is about

being really, really exciting. There is no windscreen on it!

Today, props like the Bat Pod seemed futuristic. Here they have

been building props for over 40 years. We house a few million props.

We make props and we also repair props. Our clients come from

production companies worldwide. We will look at drawings and work out

the scale of the items, concentrate on the periods of the production

and look at the different sets that are required. There doesn't seem to

be any other country that houses as many prop supplies as this industry

and the talent of the crews here is absolutely amazing. This is the

vault door from the first of the Harry Potter films. It is designed

on a real medieval door. In another ten years, will we see less and

less of this kind of prop? I am afraid we might. There are a number

of us fighting to do as much for real as we can. Do the bits in CGI

that are impossible to do for real, but you get out of it a film that

has a reality and a bite that is much better.

In the macical world of film, anything is possible and that's

down to the men and women who spend their time creating ever bigger and

better sets, props and special effects. Now, I must dash! I have

$:/STARTFEED. Alex Riley, our oversized Harry Potter there!

he had a great day. I think so.

Now, Bill, Bill Bailey's Jungle Hero sounds like a film in itself,

doesn't it? Yes. But it is more than just about

wildlife? That's right. It is about Alfred Russel Wallace. It is about

me retracing his steps through the Malay Archipelago, what is today

Malaysia and Indonesia and finding out how he was able to discover the

theory of evolution. I was reading all about Alfred

Russel Wallace at the Natural History Museum on Saturday.

I could not believe it! An amazing coincidence.

Lots of people may not know who he was? That's right. It is because of

my love of Indonesia that I came across Alfred Russel Wallace. I

found this area called Wallace. I wanted to know who was the chap

that had given his name to this huge area of Indonesia. His name

crops up more there than it does here.

This is a centenary of his death That's right.

One of the things that he did, and you did, was to get permission from

the gatekeeper of the jungle? That's right, the Sultan of Ternate.

What was he like? Well, I have never met a Sultan. You don't see

many in West London. You are dressed smartly. I scrub up

well for a hippy. What happens here? Well it was an

audience to talk to him about Alfred Russel Wallace. He was well-

versed in Alfred Russel Wallace, but he did like to, you know, play

the, he was a Sultan but he liked to show off his power. He had his

minute yons and he put me on a tiny little chair. I felt ten years old.

We spoke about Wallace, and basically it was to get his

permission to go through and to explore the jungles.

He gave it to you, and off you went? Yes.

What were the high lights? We had some amazing encounters. We found

fantastic primates. They are tiny monkeys that flit around in the

canopy. E we managed to get great footage of them. We saw birds of

paradise. That was fantastic. It was like a dream come true. The

birds, few people get to see them. These are birds of paradise that

Alfred Russel Wallace was the first Westerner to discover.

And your best mates, the black macaque? I love them.

You do look at one with them. bloke said to me was I with the

black macaque. They have a lovely nature. These

are two teenagers, they are very curious. They touch you on the arm

as if to say he is one of us. You are the patron of the summer

ran -- Sumatran orange tongue society? That's right.

They are in strife as their habitat is being destroyed and the young

are being taken for the pet trade. Do you you talk about them much?

talk about an owl! We set it free in China.

And Qualmpeddler, we should be forgiven for not knowing what it

is? The clue is in the title. A Qualm is a worry. A peddler is

somebody who hawks things around the country so, a Qualmpeddler is a

worry-monger. That is what it is! You have peddled that before,

haven't you? I have indeed. Well, Bill Bailey's Jungle Hero is

on BBC Two this Sunday at 8.00pm. In a minute, Bill is, we are

basically asking you to put the case for your friend, Wallace,

against Charles Darwin, over who should get more recognition with

the theory of evolution? Are you ready for that? It is heavy for The

One Show. Bring it on. First, though, stand by for our own

product of natural selection. Mike Dilger with a species that is

making a return to the UK. The great bustard is the heaviest

flying bird in the world. It weighs in at a massive 25 kilograms. As a

result of changes in farming, and in hunting, they disappeared from

the British countryside in the early 19th century, but here on

Salisbury Plain a group are working to change that. For the first time

in 170 years they are putting great bustards back into the British

landscape. I came here four years ago when the great bustard project

was in its early dates. My lasting memory is being pecked by a rather

territorial bustard. Oh! That was a good one.

That hurt. It has been a massive learning curve for the team,

dealing with these hugely charismatic but poorly understood

birds. Reintroducing the birds has been a complex international

operation. Chicks and nests have been introduced. It has taken

enormous ingenuity to persuade the chicks to flourish. Dave Waters is

heading up the project. If you have chickens, duck,

partridge, when they hatch from the egg, you throw food down, they

scurry away and peck happily, but a great bustard chick sits there and

goes hungry. What happens in the wild is that mum comes along and

picks up the food and feeds them bill-to-bill.

This puppet plays the role of Mum. After a week or so, they have the

hang of it, then Mum can retire. And their hard work has paid off.

There is good news about the great bustards released here on Salisbury

Plain. Some have matured sufficiently to start breeding. It

has led to some amazing behaviour. A number of male British birds,

such as the black grouse and the capper ceilidh carried out a

display to attract a mate and so does the great bust ard. To have a

chance to see them perform. I have to be in a hide at dawn. If I am

lucky, which will get to see a display that has not been seen on

British soil for nearly 200 years. Dave... Bustards, I never thought I

would see the day! Fantastic! We are seeing a couple of males having

a bit of a face-off as well. They have a pouch down the front of

the throat. That is buffed up, puffed up. They have the ability to

flip all of their feathers over. So when they are walking around they

are largely grey and brown, but in display they show the white

feathers, so that the females think he is handsome.

The numbers of the birds are in decline but so far these birds have

produced ten of their own chicks. When the population reaches 50, it

should ensure their future survival. And as we know, Bill is chauning

Alfred Russel Wallace as the -- bill is championing the man Alfred

Russel Wallace as the top man when it comes to evolution.

And going head-to-head is Charles Darwin. The audience decides who is

to thrive and who is to become extinct. It is time for the

Nationalist Selection. Well! Dr Bob, your defence of

Darwin starts now. It was Darwin's journey on the

voyage vouj voyage that he realised that the age of the earth was

greater than anyone thought. He transformed geeology. In addition,

both Mendis covered the idea of evolution. Darwin spent 20 years

building up the evidence. Without the evidence no-one would have

accepted the idea. Darwin was an entrepreneur. The first social

media scientist, sending letter a - - sending letters around the world.

Brilliant work, Dr Bob. It sounds good.

Dr Bob has a good beard. Now, Dr Bill. Your fight for

Wallace starts now. Wallace was the greatest naturalist

of the Victorian era, along with Charles Darwin starting the

theories of evolution. He pioneered the science of evolution by

geography. The science of where animals are, why they are the way

that they are. He was a brilliant naturalist, a passionate, curious

biologist, a great hero of Victorian science, Alfred Russel

Wallace! Very good. The time is up. The audience vote now. Is it Darwin

in blue or Wallace in green? It is Wallace! Hooray! Well, while we

settle down, here is Phil, in Bill's home town.

I I have three-and-a-half minutes to give a guided tour to Bath. Bath,

famous for... Hmm... Famous for... Oh, yeah, baths! Roman baths! There

was that ral famous lady writer... Jane Austen. Here we have beautiful

buildings in Bath. In a crescent shape. They could be Edwardian or

Georgian. I am useless at this but I know a man who is not! It is

Georgian, Phil. Alex used to be homeless. Now he gives tours of

Bath with a difference. You experienced homelessness. Does

it give a different perspective on Bath? We go unnoticed in Bath less

so than in London. If you are not careful you become invisible and

then believe in it yourself. Why should someone come on your

tour? We don't forediscuss on the rich and the famous but the

Georgians were not just pompous proper people with their finger

sticking out while drinking tea, these are debueched guys. They were

carried around in chairs. Alex was sleeping rough for three

years. He knows every nook and cranny of the city. Today he is

giving me a tour of Bath off the beaten track.

Blimey! You have fallen down the haw-haw. The demarcation line

between the rich, there only for the use of the people on the Royal

Crescent and this ground here which is common ground.

If a poor fella fell, you called hear them laughing. It has been

called the haw - haw ever since. Alex is a part of the project that

hopes to introduce more of the homeless people into the tour

guiding business. Luke, you are the man behind the

tours, where did it start? I have been in Bath for four years. I love

the city. Like any place it has social issues and problems. So I

thought why not use tourism to tackle one of its biggest problems

which is homelessness. Where is it going from here?

have a fantastic guide. We are looking for more.

That is the Theatre Royal. Over there is where Charlie Chaplin used

to play. Back in the day before being a big star in the States. I

tell you what, Phil it is a bit cold? Yes. Let me show you a place

to warm up. This is the warmest place. You have been out of a day,

selling the Big Issue. This is where you come to warm up! Alex

says he has studied hard to learn about Bath's amazing history. He

hopes that the efforts will make his tour special, providing him

with a full-time job. There is a great story about the

steps. They are precarious. A couple in

the 18 hundreds, she was 57, he was 95. Married bliss? Maybe not. They

were married a month. In that time he tried to topple himself twice.

She got fed up with it, so she decided to do it for him. She

chucked him down the stairs. A long way to go.

Tell me about it! Well, I have had a great day in Bath. I have seen

things I would not normally see. That is thanks to Alex. I hope that

the tours go from strength-to- strength. Thank you, Phil. Bill,

thank you very much for joining us. You can see him on tour from the