23/06/2011 The One Show

Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker and Alex Jones. Now,

there is no putting the showbiz gloss on tonight's guest. She has

battled the bottle and battled the blokes, it's Denise Welch! APPLAUSE.

Good to see you. Now, hang about, we mentioned at the end of last

night's show, you were to joined by your husband, Tim Healy. You have

not had a row? No, for once. He is poorly? He is poorly. It is

not man flu, otherwise I would have kicked him up the bottom, but he

has a poorly leg. He has to go to hospital. He was struggling this

morning. So, obviously, he sends his apologies. The idea was to be

here together. We do know he is watching. Earlier

we nipped to your house in Cheshire, he recorded this special message

for you. Did he, really? Here we go.

Matt, Alex. I'm sorry I cannot be with you tonight. I have a gamy leg,

but the Mrs Is on, the mouth of the Tyne. I would not get a word in

edgeways with her! He is so polite. Gob of the Tyne, what a cheek! An

affectionate term. We wish him all the best. What we love about you

two is that off screen you are just a normal couple, but have a look at

this... There you are on holiday. We would like to clarify that this

is you two in Benidorm? It is us in Benidorm, but you may or may not

know that my dad used to be a drag act called Rakel wechwech. So I

have been living in drag hell. My son did not flinch when he saw

his dad in drag, as he is so used to it! We interested in the toe

nails, they were matching! Yes, we like that.

Do you fancy him he is dressed like that Well, I do ask him to bring

the outfits home! No! Now, thanks to the internet, there are many

more jobs to do from the home with the use of nothing more than a

mouse, not that sort, and a key board, but as Dom discovered not

all are what they seem, even if advertised through the jobcentre.

We are living in difficult times. Jobs are becoming very hard to

combi. But these days, the unemployed are

facing a new, sinister menace. Fake jobs, advertised by crooks that

could implicate unsuss pecting employees in a criminal scam.

Single mum, Kara knows how easy it is to get sucked in. She was

delighted for an add, a job that seemed perfect.

The money was really tight. So I have been looking for a job. This

job really appealed to me. It was working from home. The hours were

to suit. So I could do it whenever I had free time.

The job involved selling products through eBay, the auction website

that allows people to buy and sell. She was to be the middle man

selling goods on behalf of the company.

I searched the company's name. There was even financial

information that I looked up. Everything seemed legitimate to me.

But, they were just fake sites. The scamers have a cover story. She

applied via an e-mail and a woman calling herself Leah offered her

the job. I was over the moon. So excited.

I said I could start as soon as possible.

The scammers sent Kara a list of what they wanted her to sell on

eBay. She was asked to send the money to the employers.

The company, once the orders came in, the problems started to appear.

After a coup of days I started to get e-mails from the buyers asking

where the products were. So I called Leah. It was always, "I'll

get back to you" Or, "I'm too busy" It was when she stopped answering

the phone or the e-mails I thought that this was not good.

Kara had become a part of the scam. She deducted the money from the

gods she sold, but the goods were never sent.

-- goods. The unhappy customers complained to

eBay, they refunded the money. Even though Kara kept her �40 commission,

eBay started to chase her for the �400 they had lost.

It is a worry. I hate checking my e-mails. I am checking my phone. I

have eBay calling me, Debt Collection. There was nothing that

I could do about it. We have spoken to seven others who

we believe have been tricked by the scamers who go by a number of

different names. Our viewers are being chased for more than �7,000,

even though the crooks have most of the money.

So, where were the crooks advertising the dodgy jobs? Well,

shockingly on the website of the Government-run Jobcentre Plus.

Surely the last place you would expect to find unscrupulous

employers? When our viewers alerted them to the scamers advert it was

taken down, but a couple of days later it was up again.

So, Jobcentre Plus was leading jobseeker's to fraud.

Jobcentre Plus said that as soon as they become aware of a bogus add it

is removed and they conduct a investigation. They say that they

will check all vacancies that mention eBay before they go live.

I know it seems like a stupid thing for some people, a tiny amount of

money to some, but to me that, that's a lot of money.

It is a nasty crime, isn't it? Horrible. I would not wish this on

anyone. It is horrible. What have you learned from this?

Don't apply for jobs that seem far too good to be true.

Dom, they -- this debacle hit Kara hard. What is the latest? Well, the

Metropolitan Police are investigating an allegations of

fraud. EBay said that as soon as they were made aware of the scam,

they contacted the police and the Jobcentre Plus and asked them to

vet the ads. EBay and PayPal will not chase her or the others now for

money. That is a good thing. That is big news.

When the cameras went off, she cried her eyes out there, she

cannot afford this money. She was worried. She is an honest, decent

person, panicking. She doesn't have to pay anything?

Not a penny. Good news, there, but what is your

advice on spotting the fake adverts? Is it common sense?

hit the nail on the head. If you smell a rat, there is a good chance

you are dealing with one. You have to look out for, they may sound

obvious, but make sure that someone has a landline phone number. If you

apply for a landline with BT, they vet you thoroughly. Mobiles, they

give them to anyone. If they are premium rate numbers be

cautious. Try to get a face-to-face interview. If they are offering you

a job, try to go to a place where they are working. Also some jobs

should ship you the goods and you ship them out, but use your

intuition and common sense. It is difficult. You feel

vulnerable when you are unemployed, you are looking for work?

course,s an actress I've been unemployed several times. I have

had to do all sorts of dodgy. Some of them were proper dodgy. Proper!

What is the worst? I worked in a holiday camp that is no longer

around. I know that most of them are fantastic, but I worked in this

holiday camp, I cannot tell you what went on in the kitchens. On a

Wednesday... On a Wednesday we used to make rice pudding. I used to

watch what went on, I had to serve it to the tune of Girls, Girls,

Girls, people had actually weed in the rice pudding.

Let's move on! Now, yesterday we were moved by Pauline Prescott's

story by a couple that had turned to a surrogate mum to help them

have a baby. Tonight she returns to take up the story as they prepare

for the birth. In 2009 Tania and Douglas lost their daughter, Lola

Rose during childbirth. They wanted another baby, partly in a bid to

heal their family's wounds. So with Tania unable to carry a baby, they

had IVF treatment and turned to a surrogate mother to have their

resulting child. Their story fascinates me as I handed over a

baby that I carried. My first son was adopted. Here I am in Glasgow,

Cory was born five weeks ago, I'm coming to see how they are, and to

bring a gift for the baby. Isn't he gorgeous?! Can I hold him?

Of course. Oh, my goodness me. You were had

hands-on dad? Yes. I'm not doing the night-time feeds, to be fair.

Tania is doing them. As what planned, when Nikki gave

birth to Cory, the biological parents, Tania and Douglas were in

the delivery suite. As Cory was born, I stepped in

behind and cut his chord. He was wrapped in a towell and we were

sobbing, sobbing that we had a living, screaming baby this time.

It was unbelievable watching this little person being born.

But of course, this was an unusual situation. It was Nikki who carried

the baby. To be honest, when he came out, I

thought that is not my baby, he looks like Nikki, it is Nikki's

baby, probably for the first 24 hours I did not believe he was here

and my baby. Tania's nerves were quelled by

Cory's resemblence to her other children, including her lost

daughter, Lola. It is hard for Tania, she didn't

carry him. You wanted to be reassured? I did.

Cory has settled in with his brothers, Ian and Josh. The family

has stayed in touch with Nikki. They are all firm friends and Nikki

has no regrets about the surrogacy. What was it like handing the baby

over? There are not really the words to describe how I feel. They

don't make words like that. It is special, amazing.

You seem measured, is that your defence mechanism? I knew I was

doing what I was supposed to do. It was like I ticked off something on

my great cosmic to do list. I just carried him for nine months. They

are his mum and dad. Cory is happy at home with his

genetic parents, but officially Tania is not his mother.

We have to see a court report, the reason to visit Nikki to ensure

that she is not pressurised into this and to check we have not paid

her an enormous amount of money. That is illegal. You only pay the

surrogate expenses. What happens when the court is

happy? A new birth certificate is issued with Tania's name as the

mother and mine as the father. Memories of Lola Rose linger on in

the house. The last time I came to Glasgow Lola's nursery had remained

untouched since her death. Now it is Cory's room.

It is beautiful. It really is. It has been

beautiful? Yes. The little rose on the wall in the

memory of Lola? Yes, so there is always a presence of her in here.

I wonder what it would have been like to have her home, but we have

you. Yes! He is ever so strong isn't he? He is very strong.

Well, little man. What do you think about this, then? I feel that the

family is complete now we have brought him home! Surrogacy is not

for everyone, but for Douglas and Tania, young Cory has been the per

effect boost after their family's loss.

And Tania and Douglas are here now. He is six weeks old. Welcome to the

studio. He is gorgeous. Have you had much reaction since we showed

the first half of the story? have had texts, e-mails, phone

calls. It has been positive.. guessing that life is very

different with three? It is. It is fabulous, though, fabulous. We are

just loving having the baby and in the house again.

Tania, you were open in the film about talking about your concerns

about not bonding, this is something that lots of women, if

they have those fears they don't openly talk about? I suppose in a

way, I look back now and I think that is funny to think for the

first probably, the first day or two, I didn't believe he was our

baby. I think I had such strong feelings

of detachment during the pregnancy because I was frightened of getting

emotionally attached to him. So, Nikki was the surrogate? Yes.

Nuky is involved in Cory's life -- Nikki is involved in Cory's life?

Will that change, will she be there always or will the situation alter?

I think that we will always have a relationship with her. I don't see

how we couldn't. She has given us this miracle baby. Done a wonderful

thing. It is a very self-less thing to do.

Completely. Do you worry that her feelings may

change? No, I don't think so. Not at all. She has been positive

about the fact that Cory is not her baby. Ever.

She has four girls, what would she want? Denise, would you consider

using a surrogate had you had trouble having children? I would

have, certainly. I would not be self-less enough to be a surrogate.

I think it is a wonderful thing to do, but I have one of my best

school friends has two little girls from a surrogate mum. It has been

the best thing that ever happened to her. I would consider that.. I

think that people, I was lucky enough to have two children, I

can't imagine people going through the awfulness of not having a child.

I know you have the two boys, but I would encourage it. Yes.

Lovely. Thank you very much to all of you.

Thank you for making the journey down from Glasgow. Cory is loving

the lights there. He is happy there.

Now, violence this week in East Belfast has shown that a few people

in Northern Ireland are reluctant to put deep-rooted prejudices

behind them, but 60 miles up the road, two sides have been brought

together in unity by a bridge. Anita Rani reports from Derry. Here

on the Cityside is the largely Catholic community and over there,

the eastside, and mainly the Protestant community, but the hope

is that the divide between the two will soon be reduced by this... The

Peace Bridge. Due to open this weekend, the 310

metre Longbridge offers hope of a more integrated city, literally

bringing it together. Phil Cunningham, a Catholic has lived

his entire life on the westside. There was a summer movement in the

early 197 os, the Protestant moved to the east bank and the

nationalists on the east bank moved back to the nationalist areas. When

the bridge was being built, people were saying that it could help to

make the people meet each other in the middle of the bridge.

Do you think that it will? There is a lot of peace in the town. It is

not as bad as other areas, so this will help the peace bridge -- the

Peace Bridge. And on the other side of the bridge,

George has similar hopes. How significant is the bridge? It is

tremendous. It is like a jigsaw puzzle, this is a very important

part of that jigsaw. The piece that you are always looking for in a

jigsaw, this is it, hopefully. I'm back on the water to meet one

of the people who made the bridge possible, chief engineer, Philip

Brown. So, what is the idea behind the bridge? It was not just a link

from one side to the other. It was a symbol of the coming together of

the two communities. You can see the mass of the Kabuls, coming out,

meeting in the middle. It gives -- you can see the mass of cabeles, it

gives the idea of hands shaking together to met in the middle.

It is a very diplomatic bridge, then? Definitely.

So, what do the people of Londonderry think of their new

landmark? I think it is a fantastic piece of infrastructure that has

come to the city. It is brilliant for the city to grow. What areas do

you not go to, this is a change that could make that more available.

Although the Derry Peace Bridge is not officially opened until

Saturday, we have been granted special access to be the first

civilians to cross it. So, walking across the bridge for the first

time, how does it feel? It feels lovely.

I will let you stay here and let you carry on across your own,

George who is living on the otherside is going to meet you

halfway. All the best. Hello. How are you? They have done

a lovely job. It is fantastic. View. -- snfplt the view.

This is a bridge over troubled waters, but it symbolises the

future, not the past. Now we have loads to ask you Denise,

but first of all a message from a The One Show viewer. Remember the

night you offered to make me a male. You walked past the pan rack in the

kitchen, that is a good one. thought he was going to say

something else, then! So, what is the story? I made no issue of the

fact I am not the best cook in the world. I don't like to do it. I see

the kitchen as somewhere where you open wine.

When we moved into the house about ten years ago, apparently I walked

into the kitchen and said, "I'm going to make something to eat

tonight, where are the pans?" I had walked past a pan rack that had

been there for three weeks, I had never seen it. I have selective

sight in the kitchen. That is what he is on about. He is the cook. If

I try my two boys do that, "Ah bless" Face! Hopefully he will have

supper on the table when you get home! Yes.

It is a shame he is not here, you are both starring in a new

documentary? Yes. We are doing Don't Cry For Me Maradona. Tim is

playing Bob Marshall-Andrews and I'm playing Lady Elsie. We are

doing a tribute. Not doing impressions. It is basically a

drama that is written, it comes after the wake of the famous

Maradona handball incident. That devastated Bob Marshall-Andrews and

people all over, but really this play -- devastated Sir Bobby Robson.

It takes place on a picnic. It really shows how their love for

each other, how she coaxed him out of his depression after it happened.

He felt responsible, he thought that he may lose his job. It is a

very endearing story. He has been a legend in the north.

For us, for everybody. Since Sir Bobby Robson has died, he

has become a national treasure? think that the reason is for that,

Matt, he was one of life's good guys. E -- he never had a bad word

for anybody. Paul Gascoigne, he was with us when he had died, he was

like a father figure to Paul Gascoigne. On this day, our little

boy luckily, got to meet him before he died.

They were a devoted couple? Yes. Totally.

We have a clip from Sports Personality of the Year Award, he

speaks to wonderfulally about Elsie. I have to thank my wife, Elsie, who

stuck with me for about 52 years, without her I wouldn't be what I

am... APPLAUSE . Sir Bobby Robson there. That was

2007. She's been very active in the making of this drama. It was

important to me. Was it difficult with her being so

close to him and you playing her? Only when I knew that she said that

she loved the piece. It is a little slice of their life. It was on

Tuesday and it is on again on Sunday night at 6.00pm. There you

are, Radio 5 Live. Now, nothing says nature more than the sound of

bird song, but throw in a pile of squawking gulls, there is another

story. They have a bit of a bad reputation, especially when they

pinch your chips irbgs like this one in Bridlington Harbour. There

he is. Mike Dilger has met some people in

Devon who are not so keen on sea gulls either.

Walking down a High Street we are used to be watched by CCTV, but on

this street, there are more pairs of eyes watching than you may

realise. A menace has been growing and the problems have been making

headline news. So, what happened to make the gulls turn nasty. For the

vast majority of the year humans and gulls live cheek by bake

without a problem. However, during the breeding season, all of that

changes. While they nest, the gulls become extremely protective of

their young. This is the one time of the year when coexisting with

the humans it can have dangerous consequences.

The sea gulls in June and July are a nightmare. If there is food, they

are aggressive. I don't allow them to get too close.

With a wing span of up to five feet, an adult sea gull is a force to be

reckoned with. So what can be done? The worst cases, the councils are

able to destroy the gull nest, but only when they are a threat to

safety. One man to help is professional pest controller, Andy

Payne. Is it common that people are being attacked? Yes, there are

gulls doing a lot of damage to properties. They are attacking

children, pets, elderly people as well.

What can you do? If we have gulls nesting on the roof then we look at

whether the client is being attacked, visit rs to the property

are being attacked, if that is the case we can remove the nest. Other

than that we have to wait until the young have fledged the nest before

we carry out any investigations. Removing nests or harming the gulls

can land you with a heavy fine or even a prison sentence. It is

illegal for me to even step foot on a roof with a suspected gull nest,

so Andy has agreed to take a camera. We are going up there to see what

the situation is up there, to look at seeing what we can do for them.

Unfortunately for the family of this house, Andy finds a nest, the

gulls may be a nuisance, but there is no clear danger to the public

health. So like many of the cases, the family below have to put up

with their noisy neighbours, but later in the year he can return to

make the roof gull-proof. In some cases there is really no solution

but to keep an eye on the sky until after the breeding season, but many

gulls cause a nuisance all year- round by stealing food and raiding

rubbish. The RSPB believe that changing the way that we live is

the way to tackle the birds' yorb behaviour.

The gulls were not nesting on the roofs but were prompted to because

of the waste. We did not waste food back in the day. That changed. Then

there were landfill sights to deal with this. So, lots of food around.

Then the other thing is of course, if you look around the towns, all

you can see with a gull's eye is a perfect nesting space it is a flat

roof with shingle on. No wonder the gulls like them it is

like a beach! The herring gull is decreasing in number in There is no

denying that they are increasing -- the herring gull is decreasing in

number? There is no denying that they are. So that is the reason

that they are listed. The reason for the decline is that

there are far fewer fishing waters in the -- vessels in the waters. So

it is our changing habits that have pushed them away from the coasts to

attract them to the towns. They are the ultimate opportunists, taking

advantage of a world we have created.

There you go, did you know that sea gulls can live for up to 40 years?

40 years too long! I don't mean that! Obviously you not a fan! What

about you, Denise? I don't like the idea of birds in the -- near me. I

don't mind them from a distance. I have been attacked by a sea gull

from behind. No, not fans of a sea gull.

Only if they poo on your head. Then that is lucky.

Thank you very much for coming along, you can listen to Tim and

Denise in Don't Cry For Me Maradona on Radio 5 Live this Sunday at