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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Alex Jones and Matt Baker. Two

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people who are stepping out of their comfort zone, a British Muslim who

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is bent 18 months trying to CIA to eye with this man. -- who spent 18

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months trying to say it to eye. And a comedian who spent time trying to

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observe the habits of sheep. Please welcome Ed Byrne. This being live

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television, you nearly didn't get here on time. The traffic in London

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is shocking tonight. I nearly had to do that thing where I got out of the

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car and started running. It started moving. I am determined to beat the

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car! And then the car pulled up and said, are you sure you don't want to

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get back in? Help yourself to water and thanks for making it. The style

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of your show, Roaring Forties, all of these things that annoy you. I

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talk about the thing that I have been an old git all my life and now

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I have reached my 40s, I feel like I can relax into it and talk about all

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the things that I hate in the world. We could not believe you were

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in your 40s. You are so whose fault. -- so useful.

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If you have found yourself with a gripe that has only come about since

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reaching your 40s, get in touch and share it. It might end up in the

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show. We will put your gripes to Ed and see if it can offer any worldly

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wisdom. Prepare for a culture shock documentary. In a programme that

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airs next week, Muslim political commentator Mo Ansar, who calls for

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the English Defence League to be banned, is filmed over an 18 month

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period as he gets to know the leader of the EDL, Tommy Robinson. They

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were brought together by Nicky Campbell last April, and Nikki takes

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up the story. Tommy Robinson was the founder and

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leader of the Indus defence league, always at the forefront of their

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controversial Street protests. I don't care if you say I am racist, I

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don't care what you say to me. In April 2012, when Tommy Robinson was

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still the leader of the list defence league, he took part in a

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conversation about far right extremists. You can't call everyone

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who opposes Islam the far right. The man who had tried to get the EDL

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band issued a surprising invitation. If you ever want come to meet my

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family for dinner, you are more than welcome. This unexpected gesture of

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friendship was the start of something for both Tommy and Mo. I

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had in my mind that if the opportunity came out, I would want

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to reach out to him somehow. He doesn't seem to have an answer to a

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lot of the issues but I warmed to him when I met him. No Muslim had

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ever asked to address the EDL leader before. Tommy set up a meeting in

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Luton, where it all began. At the issued Mo with a warning. These

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people don't hate you, they ordinary people who have concerns and fears

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about what has happened to their country. The most important thing is

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to open up a dialogue. As somebody who was born in this country and is

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British, I think I uphold British values. I am also a Muslim. Islam is

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not here to take over the country or the world. That is not the Islam

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that I know. The Islam that I know lives in coexistence, honours and

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respects British virtues and values. Does anyone recognise the Islam that

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Mo is talking about. Muslims are not one tribe. They do not think the

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same. So you can't defend Islam. You can defend yours but nobody else's.

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The meeting adjourned to allow Mo to pray. Mo was pleased, it felt like a

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good first. He was relieved they had listened to each other. They had

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strongly held views and it is the kind of thing we need to do more.

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That conversation could have gone on for weeks. I think it went good, I

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hope it has changed Mo's perception, I hope it showed him that people

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have concerns. Tommy agreed to visit this mosque in Walsall. It was the

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first time he had ever entered a mosque and to some of his followers,

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this would have been unthinkable. Tommy, too, still had serious

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misgivings. I think a mosque is a command and control centre. I think

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the last thing they do is pray. I don't want any more mosques built

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because I believe we are adding to the problem. When Islam integrates

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and assimilates in the same way as every other ideology and religion,

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then they can build more mosques. We will take our shoes off here. We

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will put them off here and go through. Mo took Tommy upstairs to

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watch the afternoon prayers, whilst most of the men low were completely

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unaware the leader of the list defence league was in their midst.

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-- the men below. Were unaware the leader of the English Defence League

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were in their missed. Tommy thinks it is wrong that women have to pray

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behind the men. On this visit, Mo took Tommy to meet

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with one of Britain's's leading Muslim scholars. Every mosque I look

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at, I can find a homophobic, anti-Semitic creature who will come

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into this country and give a sermon. They should be stopped for some to

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be a good Muslim I have to be a good human being before everything. I

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disagree with a lot of your views but I respect you as a human being

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for it cannot harm you, it is forbidden.

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People want to smash my face in, murder my kids, my wife. Don't

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measure is long by the behaviour of some. We have to make the best of

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the situation. The best of the situation is finding the good ones

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and the moderate ones and pushing them to the forefront and making

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sure they are heard. A fascinating film and Mo is with

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us. Welcome, nice to see you. Why did you invite Tommy into your world

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and in hindsight, do you have any regrets? Muslims all over the

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country have been worried and concerned about the rising tensions,

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the increase in anti-Muslim prejudice and attacks. I thought,

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you have got to start somewhere. For going on the programme on big

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questions, I asked a higher authority for advice. I checked with

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my wife first. I said to my Mrs, if I get the opportunity, I will invite

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him. She said it was fine. It did seem that he was open to dialogue,

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did you find he was different on camera than when the cameras were

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off? At the start of the journey, Tommy in particular committee is

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used to that kind of raucous situation. He puts up a lot of front

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and bravado. As time went on and we got to know each other, as the

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cameras were lifted or put aside, we were beginning to have more open

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dialogue. If you want to pursue peace, whether it is rhetorical

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weapons or physical arms, you have got to put them down and come around

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the table and have a conversation. You were saying there were lots of

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parts of Tommy that you learned to love by the end of the documentary.

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On two occasions, we were sat on the big questions, going hammer and

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tongs at each other. Twitter picked up on the fact that we both cracked

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up a little bit. We looked at each other and it was like being kids at

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the back of the classroom and you start giggling, you don't know why.

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There was another time on the back streets of Newcastle, the EDL

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rally, after some recent events and tensions were running high. We were

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having a really heated debate. Tommy is a bit cheeky, he put his arm

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around me. As someone who stands up against fascism and hate and

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prejudice, I didn't like it. I tried to laugh it off, it is not easy. As

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a person of faith, you kind of accepted and you go with it. It took

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a real dramatic ending, the whole tale. Yes, we have spent 18 months

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on this journey together. We have listened to both sides of the

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argument. He has met a lot of Muslims, I have met members of the

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EDL. I suppose it is dramatic, the idea that Tommy resigned from the

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EDL. It was quite a shock to a lot of people across the country. Having

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been on the journey with him, I began to see him softening on some

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of his views. Maybe not all of them but enough. Some of his views, you

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agree with. He says you can't call anyone who opposes everything to do

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with Islam the far right. How could you not agree with that. It is a

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relatively reasonable statement. The bit when people are perhaps saying,

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we don't want you in our country, giving Nazi salutes, saying we don't

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want any more mosques, maybe you are not British... I am born here, I am

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raised here, my grandfather fought in World War II lost two of his

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brothers, I have a right to express my fate in this country. For

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somebody to say you're not part of Britain it is difficult to content

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with -- express my faith in this country. You have criticised some

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muslin voices. There is an intolerant strain within all

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communities. -- Muslim voices. Whatever background you come from

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there are extreme voices and it is really important that people who

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have got sensible voices are very British way of doing things, perhaps

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walking through your problems are not going to the extremes of the

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situation, I think you do have to speak up. When people oppose

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equality, they are homophobic or racist or sexist, I think it is

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important that people find their voice and speak up. Is this an area

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you would always avoid as a comedian? Religion is a big things

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that comedians like to talk about. I am an atheist at when I do jokes

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about religion, I generally make fun of Christianity because that is

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where I am from. You are an atheist... It's fine... If you have

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a pop at Christianity, the main thing people say is you would not

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say that about Muslims. I have also had a go at Hindus and Muslims. I am

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all-inclusive when it comes to making fun of religion. It is an

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easy thing to make fun of. If you apply a serious logic, it is a

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difficult thing for it to stand up so it is easy to have a pop at it.

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The overall conclusion of this documentary? What you have

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experienced over 18 months? Slightly cynical but cautiously optimistic.

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The most important thing is when you have differences, tensions and

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difficulties, the only way is dialogue. You don't tackle hate with

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more hate. It is a lesson for all of us. Don't miss Quitting The English

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Defence League: When Tommy Met Mo. It is on Monday night at 10:35pm on

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BBC One. As well as clamouring to the top of his profession as a

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stand-up, in his spare time, Ed can be found climbing hills and scaling

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mountains. So much so... In the hill walker Bible, the great outdoors.

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Who better to send up one of Snowdonia's highest peaks, to have a

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look at Juniper plans. Would you sign this form it?

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Juniper is one of the oldest plants in the UK with most populations

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confined to mountainous regions, like here in Snowdonia National

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Park. Ed's mission needs a love of climbing and a passion for plants.

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Luckily he has both. I was enrolled in a degree for horticulture for a

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couple of years, before deciding academia was not the life for me.

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Which is a shame because I somebody pointed out, if I had stuck with

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gardening, I might have my own TV show by now. Your love of plants is

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still there? I retained a love of plants and a love of Scotland. I

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like to get Munros, I have done 72 of those mountains. Eventually I

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will get them all done. I am a quarter of the way through. Let's

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get a bit higher into the mountains and see a few more plants. Up until

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the 1970s, Snowdonia was a stronghold for Juniper. As the

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number of nibbling sheep in the Park has increased, they have decimated

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the juniper bushes. They take off all of these tasty bits and this is

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almost an ex-juniper bush. You have got to hand it to them, to get up

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here, it is singing for your supper. Something like 43 different types of

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invertebrate rely on Juniper for a living. 40 species of fungi also

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depend on this rare plant, as well as a righty of small mammals and

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birds, so it is vital for the Park. Trevor has been taking action by

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searching out surviving Juniper bushes so they can then be

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conserved. He has found Juniper right at the top of this huge peak,

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but there is one new patch that he wants to survey and just can't

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reach. There are lots of Juniper is on the slope, it is easy to see

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them, but we can't get to them. It is on that Cliff, that is where we

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are heading. We are abseiling? I like abseiling. This mountain, at

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almost 3,000 feet, is almost the height of its neighbour, Mount

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Snowdon. The Juniper is right at the top and it takes two hours of hard

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hiking to reach it. What a view? Even with Snowdon

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shrouded in mist. I think from the top, all the way down. I have been

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up here for ten years or so, I have never got onto those slopes. That is

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mainly because getting onto it needs a lot of help and specialist

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equipment. That is the look, Ed. To get an idea

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of Juniper numbers, they will need to abseil from the top of the cliff,

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which has a 600 foot sheer drop into the lake, counting as they go.

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And it is essential that someone stays behind and takes note of what

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they find. On the steepest bits, there is no Juniper. Oh, there is

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one to the left. Oh, yes! Trevor is hoping to find some Juniper

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seedlings, a sure-fire sign that the population is thriving. One

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seedling! Congratulations. We are proud fathers over here. So that is

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about three centimetres across. We are going to call him Trevor.

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But it is not all good news. This has got some problems. It has got

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sheep poo on it. That is not good. So even then here, the sheep are

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getting it. It is directly on top. But despite evidence of some

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grazing, we managed to record a total of 50 juniper bushes. Scaling

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back up, Trevor estimates there would be around 200 on the entire

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cliff face, making this one of the most important Juniper site in

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Snowdonia. It only takes two or three tiny seedlings on this whole

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rock face and that is the future secured on this cliff.

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Have you enjoyed your day? It was a great day. I thought it was about

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learning boring Latin names, but rock, equipment, it is quite a manly

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thing. That's what you like about it.

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Really good. On behalf of everybody having a gin and tonic at the

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moment, thanks for looking after Juniper. We were disappointed there

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were no berries on them, that was the thing we were looking for. I

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wanted to do the life from the Life Of Brian. You Said You Have Done 72

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Munros, Have You Done Any More? I Have Done 73, I Popped Up And Did

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Ben Nevis When I Was In The Edinburgh Festival. And The

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Cairngorms. So You're Just Going To Crack On? 75 Isn't Bad For Someone

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Who Lives In Essex. And If It Isn't A Monro, It Is A Corporate. 3,000

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Feet Is A Corporate. -- Corbett. 3,000 Feet Is The Height Of The

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Scottish Cloud Just Sits At! This Is A Whole New Film, We Need To Get You

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Harnessed Up Again. We Have Seen You On The Hills, Let's See You On

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Stage. This Is You Arguing With Your Wife.

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While You Are Robbed, I Will Have A Sandwich. I'm Closing The Curtains!

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-- while you are Rob. Because you told me to! Well, you are Rob now.

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You are closer to the kitchen than I am. Yes, but you are up. My chair is

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not made of kryptonite. It is not like I have no escape its evil

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clutches and I am free to do what I like. Dry stone wall, I might as

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well, I am up. It is just what we do. It is so true. You found the

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clean bit of that show. There was a lot of editing before we founded. It

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is cleaner, is that a point? It is up until the last five minutes. It

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gets really filthy in the last five minutes, and the rest of it is one

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of the most accessible I have done. This is all about you hitting 40.

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How has your life changed from when you are in your 20s? I have always

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been a difficult person to get along with, always wanting to be funny and

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when I started to become a comic in my 20s, I was much easier to get on

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with in everyday life. Now I am in my 40s, I have gone back to being an

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idiot all the time, acting like a child. You know think that air

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guitar is completely acceptable. It is one of those things, I just don't

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care. You don't care if you are cool any more if you start doing this in

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a bar. My wife hates it. I can see why. I generalise, but I will

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generalise that the stake sake of stand-up. But you never hear a woman

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sake he is not much to look at, but you should see him play air guitar!

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And then I will start drums and she will say, which is it? Is that not

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the pettiest restriction you can place on the one you love? You can

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only pick one imaginary instrument! You must have some positive effect

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on the audience members because two fainted last week. In Brighton. I

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was talking about how I had a hernia. I wasn't that graphic, I

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just talked about what it is, getting the anaesthetic and the

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needle in the arm and two people passed out and one nearly had a

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panic attack. I had done it 40 times and it hadn't been a problem, then

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three in one night. Squeamish people. I don't know if I have two

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give a health warning. This is your 20th year in stand-up. I guess she

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would hope it lasted that long, but does it still felt like the early

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stages -- you would hope? It is nice to be still going. I am one of the

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only people who read the reviews. Not that they matter, but I do read

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them. It is nice, people are generally saying it is getting

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funnier, so it is nice that you are still improving. We may have some

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new material for you, the viewers have been e-mailing in some gripes

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they have found on getting into their 40s. Jenny from Somerset says

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she cannot stand men walking around with their trousers... I thought you

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are going to say you just can't stand men. I just want a yank their

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trousers. It is a very easy way to get into a fight on the tube. That

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whole fashion for your trousers around here, it comes from the fact

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that in South Central, you weren't allowed to wear a belt in jail, so

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this was a sign that you have been to jail, because you are used are

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not wearing a belt and it is a badge of honour in gangland. But if you

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are from Penge and you are walking around, you are not showing you have

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been to jail, you are showing that your mother has done a bang up job

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of getting the skid marks out of your underwear. We don't need to see

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that. We will leave it there! We don't have time to any more. Can you

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say skid marks on the one show? I should have asked. It is on the

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edge! So as we heard, Ed is mining a rich seam of comedy from turning

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40. According to the next film, you have to be over 35 to be in rock 'n'

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roll. Allah dad was Davy Jones of the

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Monkees, the cute English one -- our dad. He would kill me and saying

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that. The little one. He plays the tambourine. Annabelle looks the most

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like dad. They used to make fun of each other all the time. That would

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always say to me, why are you so short and why are your teeth so big,

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why is your nose so big? He was a child star. He worked in show

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business from the age of eight until the day he died. His mother was

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poorly, I think, for most of his childhood. She had problems with her

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lungs. Dad's love of entertaining was born out of making his family

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smile. I think you have got to be over 35 to be in rock 'n' roll these

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days. In 1967, the Monkees sold twice as many albums as the Beatles

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and the Rolling Stones put together. Last night in Washington, the mania

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was back. In the 80s, they had this huge revival. I went from living in

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a normal house in a normal street to living in a tour bus and travelling

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around America. I was two years old and I was on the road every year

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until I was 14 or 15. It was exciting, being a kid on tour,

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living in a tour bus. Getting to have Chinese food for breakfast,

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that kind of thing. I loved it. We would be in convoys. You have the

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bus for the crew under the bus for the artist. My dad and Mickey and

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Peter had their own buses and their own entourage. There aren't many

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times that you can go to work with your dad. We would tour as a family,

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which is fantastic. Then my parents divorced and we would have nannies

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on the road. In the school holidays, we would go and meet dad and go back

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to normal life. It was an adjustment. It was hard at school.

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Most people went to Bjork and things and there was nothing normal about

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what I had done -- to Chalker. I just couldn't communicate it, didn't

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know how. What are you doing? We better get the saddle together. It

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is fair to say my dad had two great passions. No-one was horses, and

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number two entertaining. When I was growing up, three things dad taught

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us. One was obviously knowing how to ride a horse. You have the know-how

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to make a good egg sandwich. I can make a good egg sandwich. I would

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eat them every day. Always hit the big diverse. I think he may be

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forgot he had daughters. -- always hit the big guy first. Go at a

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steady gallop. I am lucky enough to be left with a great gift, he taught

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me how to ride and had to care for animals. My sister is a fantastic

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singer and entertainer. He did want to help me. He used to

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help me all the time and I rejected it and rejected it. He used to say

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to me, why aren't you as famous and Miley Cyrus? I don't think he would

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be saying that now, giving her recent exploits, which I think are

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wonderful, by the way. Davy Jones, the British-born lead singer of the

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Monkees has died, he was 66. I honestly felt like my dad would

:27:30.:27:33.

never die, because he was so full of life. My dad's face was on the front

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of every single newspaper and I looked at it and I thought, I wish

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you could see this. Because he didn't know how significant that was

:27:43.:27:45.

going to be to so many people and didn't realise that for so many

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people, knowing that Davy Jones was dead was going to be a real... He

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didn't realise how special he was. Thanks so much, it was a real

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pleasure to meet him when he came on the show. You said earlier on that

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since turning 40, you didn't mind playing the old air guitar.

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Recently, a study led by Cambridge University...

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ELECTRIC GUITAR RIFF. Showed that it could lead to real

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musicians. We are going to be led out tonight by Wildthing37. I will

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be back tomorrow with Chris and Ian McShane.

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MUSIC: "Stepping Stone" by the Monkees.

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