25/08/2011 The One Show

Hello and welcome o The One Show with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones.

There's been many odd couples over the years. Odder than us? No doubt.

Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon. Tony Blair and Colonel Gaddafi.

John Sergeant and Jo Brand. strange one! Not forgetting Dom

Littlewood, one half of an odd couple waiting to happen. Brilliant.

There he is. On that note, shall we introduce the Geests? Better had.

Tony Blackburn and Trevor Nelson. What an amazing introduction, the

odd couple. I would agree with that. We both agree. We'll talk about

that later on. All right then. On we go. Now then, a battle for Libya

nears its end for the cruel and eccentric ruler and there's a �1

million reward for Gaddafi's head. Alex Riley has been looking at what

happens to dictators when they fall from power. Retirement. The golden

years, when a person is finally able to slow down, take stock and

possibly get involved in some hard core bowls action, all the while

revelling in the tender proud memories of times gone by.

But what if you are an evil dictator faced with a coup,

uprising or sudden urge to cut and run? What are your options then?!

How about a stay in the country? Preferably another country. In 1986,

Filipino Ferdinand Marcus and his family fled to Honolulu. Paris was

the destination choice for Du Valia when he grew tired of dictating.

Idy Amin went to Saudi Arabia. His life was described as a dull

round of sports events, gym sessions and massage parlours. Not

a bad deal for a dictator known as the butcher of Africa.

But would Gaddafi find anyone to take his calls in the unlikely

event he avoids capture? Zimbabwe might be the most likely place for

Gaddafi to go to. He actually has reasonable relations with the

Zimbabwean government and Zimbabwe hosts one or two other dictators

who fled into exile. So Zimbabwe could become Africa's retirement

home for the dictator community. you think there is any prospect of

Gaddafi making it into exile? that his leavage is weak and he

looks defeated, the consensus among the international community would

be not to allow him to go into exile. Many dictators never get the

carriage clock and boarding pass. Chauchesku and Saddam Hussein were

executed and Milosevic died while awaiting trial in the Hague.

What does an ageing autocrat have to look forward to then in his

twilight years? The chances are that somebody who has been a

dictator is not going to happily adjust to retirement. The sort of

people who have the most trouble with the work ahol lick alpha-males.

My advice to such a person is that when they've retired, join a club,

meet people with similar interests. -- work-ahol lick. Joining a club

seems like a good idea but not too sure how Gaddafi would fit in with

the other retirees. Colonel Gaddafi is fond of a

uniform festooned with gold? Sorry, you've got to war the uniform here,

you have to wear the right top. Would he be welcome? We'll take

anybody in this club, absolutely anybody. Really? Except Gaddafi.

it's possible for a dictator to retire after his dictatorship.

Whether he'll find peace of mind afterwards I'm not sure, but I

can't really see an evil despot enjoying a relaxing game of bowls.

Now bridge on the other hand, that's brutal.

Justin Rowlatt is here. Are they any closer to tracking down

Gaddafi? Today, the rebels have been searching house-to-house, they

think they're close to catching him, they surrounded a housing complex

thinking he was in there. No-one knows for certain and there are

rumours he's gone back to his home town. It is just possible that he's

slipped away, although he said he'd stay until the bitter end. I think

he'd stay. Do you think he will? probably will. The dreadful thing

is, you get rid of one and another one appears. Crazy.

It would have to be a brave man now though. What's been the reaction of

the British Libyan community? is a large one. Manchester has the

largest community of Libyan people outside of Libya itself. That's

obviously partly because 4 2 years of Gaddafi rule, those who didn't

like the regime tried to leave and many succeeded to come to Britain.

We were filming with them yesterday and they are delighted by the

progress the rebels have made, delighted to see the rebel army in

Tripoli looking forward to the moment that Gaddafi is captured. In

Manchester, they are saying they want him captured alive and want to

see him tried for his crimes. he could have gotten out on the

tunnelling system? There is a tunnelling system in the capital in

Tripoli, yes, but the suggestion may be that he's gone to Sirte.

can't believe he'd want to be faced with war crimes alive. I can't

imagine that. Actually, what does this mean for al-Megrahi, the

Lockerbie bomber? He was convicted remember of the murder of 270

people when that plane was brought down over Lockerbie. Now, he was

given a life sentence for that murder but it was commuted because

he gave evidence in court to suggest he was suffering from a

terminal disease. They said he had three months to live. Two years on

and last week he was on television in Libya giving his support to the

Gaddafi regime. Unbelievable. Clegg wants to see him extradited

and when the rebels consolidate the hold on the country which seems

inevitable, they'll apply for extradition. They've been trying to

find him now? Yes, but with some difficulty.

Our films looking at how Britain's canals changed our lives is bobbing

along nicely. We have been all over the place this week. Ruth Goodman

Britain in the mid 19th century wasn't quite cooking on gas but it

was starting to run on coal. Transporting that kol by canal made

the black stuff cheaper -- coal. What's less well known is that the

canals did the same for the white stuff too. They brought ice-cream

to the masses. You couldn't just barge your way

into the ice-cream market by shoveling the stuff into one of

these, but you could do it with ice. Until Victorian times, ice was the

preserve of the rich and Royalty because it was seasonable and so

too was the luxury dessert Jalato. But this changed when ice imported

began along the new Regents Canal from the Thames into the east into

London's bustling markets in the west. The man at the helm was Carlo

Gatti from Switzerland. Today I'm tracing back to his way. The ice

was cut from the mountain lakes in Norway, brought across to the North

Sea and into the Regents Canal. It was transferred on to horse-drawn

canal bafrpblgs and brought along this stretch -- barge. It was then

taken on to Kings Cross. Who was buying the ice? Fishmongers,

butchers, anyone who needed to keep food preserved. Hospitals also

bought it. If you were going to have your leg amputated, you could

pay a little more to have it chilled first and that was well

worth paying. For over two centuries before

Gati's ice voyage, the rich were already storing the cold stuff in

their own stately ice wells. But it was the poor who risked life and

limb wading into the frozen waters. Social commentator of the day,

James Greenwood writes in his book of the scene, "ice-getters who with

eager eyes and blue noses are hurrying to the ponds to see what

sort of a crop King frost has grown for them during the night." he

talks of them picking the teeth of death in order to get an honest

loaf. This is where my voyage ends, a battle bridge basin in the heart

of Kings Cross. It's here that Gati set up his ice empire in a

warehouse in 1857. Massive two foot blocks of ice were unloaded here

with these great clamps called ice dogs, into an underground cave

called an icewell. Gati's old warehouse is the London

Canal Museum and they are giving us access to the depths of this giant

Victorian deep freeze. Well, Ruth, we are in Gati's ice

well. It's really big. How much ice was there in here? About 750 tonnes

of ice. There was space above for more but the days before bridges...

All packed in here, layer upon layer? Yes, we wouldn't have been

able to stand here, it was pretty solid. It's cold here. What was the

temperature when it was full of ice? A bit above zero and indeed

they only lost about 25% in melting from Norway to the eventual

customer so the ice kept pretty well.

Just one well full of this precious commodity was worth �500,000 in

today's money. Gati built up his empire to become ice King. But his

crowning glory came from using it to make his childhood Italian

delight, ice-cream. Gati sold ice-cream to Londoners

decades before the invention of the modern cone wafer. Here, his stall

and restaurant in Hungerford Market was to burn down and then make way

for Charing Cross Station. With the arrival of modern

refraidgeration in the 20th century, the canals -- refridgeration in the

20th century, the canal's Ice Age melted away, but the ice-cream

lovers should be forever grateful of Gati's great voyage.

We should be grateful to Gati and you should be grateful to us

because Trevor this is for you, and this one is for you. A little

melted. These are very special. We have the Tasty Trev for you, Trevor.

It's got brandy in it. Peppermint because you are still cool and jam

in there because you are self- centred. Beautiful. And Tony

Blackburn's Big Breakfast which is egg and bean flavour. Could be

interesting. Give it a lick. Stkpwhrl you had egg and beans at a

recent party, didn't you? At my 60th party, yes, I'm a vegetarian

and I don't really like vegetarian food very much. What do you eat?

only really like baked beans on toast, chips and I also like

spaghetti with tomato sauce and I just eat that. You have been like

that for 60 years?! Yes, I used to sell ice-cream along Bournemouth

seafront when I was at college. We used to sell it in tubs and I used

to go to the pier and by the time I got there I'd run out of spoons so

I had to convince people to get the - this is really boring actually -

no, come on, stop me now, but... Have a quick taste and tell us what

you think. Have the whole lot. Do you need a spoon as well? No.

delicious. It's all over the floor. We'll move on now. Tell us why you

are together. What are you doing this month? We are doing a show on

Bank Holiday because remember the two day Radio Two mixed all its

presenters up and paired people up together, they must have had a

Tombola or something because they paired me and him together! Someone

must have been having a laugh because we got paired together and

we share the love of soul music. I used to listen to Tony on the radio

when I worked in a shoe shop. you were about 12? About that, yes!

I was shocked that Mr Tony Blackburn, King of Pop was into

soul music and even went to one of his gigs when he was dressed at

Superman, remember? Yes, the neurotic balloon dance was always

good at Christmas, we used to give people pins. This is what the

show's about. The pair of you having that banter? We did the show,

it was an hour and the boss said it was great, the audience loved it

and said, you've got to do it again, so he's given us two hours to do a

Bank Holiday special. At 4 o'clock in the afternoon on the Monday and

we just love soul music really, pop soul I like. I introduced in this

country in the '60s motown on the pirate ships and I've always loved

Philadelphia music and motown and all the other people like Luther

van cross. I love it. The thing about it is, I listened to Tony

when I was a kid, we are sitting in the studio and he says, who's going

to drive the disyess and he was like, you can do it but I was like,

you are the governor. And I'm like, Tony Blackburn, he's just across

from me. Take a look at this. Yippee. Marvin Gaye. If the dog was

with us, he would have been 46 years old. I had the dog stuff and

he nods in the back of the car now so he's all right. You must be a

natural successor to Tony? Wow! Well... I don't think anyone can be

a successor to Tony Blackburn. We had a chat though, we don't really

prepare do we, we just meet up and do our stuff. Tony did radio when

his show was huge, 20 million people listening and stuff like

that. It's funny that these years later, more people are listening to

radio now more than before and they are spoilt for choice so to get an

audience is tough. I don't feel a successor to anyone, Tony Blackburn

is Tony Blackburn and I'm me. great fun, they take risks with

Radio Two. The personalities are great together. This is why they're

doing well, they do different things. We'll ask you later if you

can identify some broadcasting legends that you may know. We have

a mystery guest, we'll disguise the voice. As ever, Dom has been

sifting through your e-mails that you have sent in. What have you got

for us today? Last months, a coroner issued a warning to people

to check their blinds after a baby boy died getting trapped in the

cords. Last year, five children died as a result of his types of

accidents. Millions of us have the blinds at home and the majority are

safe. One mother is campaigning for better awareness. That's Joy

Edwards. 10th October 2010, I woke up about 5.30 in the morning, went

into Leah's bedroom, gave her a bottle, came out the room, left her,

my son then went in at 7.30 and found the cord around Leah's neck.

He came rushing into me, I shot out of bed, tried to resuscitate her

and couldn't. Tragically, Leah was pronounced dead at hospital and the

family were devastated. They are now campaigning for better

awareness and safety measures. would like the manufacturers to

make people aware when they have the blinds fitted that the cords

don't need to be as long as they are, to tie them up so they are out

of reach of the children. The manufacturers really should make

them a lot shorter. Although there are plenty of child friendly blinds

on the market, there are still blinds produced overseas which have

looped cords that do not break under pressure.

There was another tragedy after Leah and no-one seems to be taking

that on board. The manufacturers still make the blinds as they did

ten, 15 years ago. Well, incredibly sad story there. Tragic.

industry is sitting up and there are some changes, yes A trade

organisation called the BBSA, the British Blind and Shutter

Association, the majority of people in this country are members by law

and anybody who sells blinds have to adhere to the rules. I'll show

you what you need to look out for. People have blinds from abroad and

blinds that they may have had for years. These are the old sorts

where you have a loop and there is no catch. If anybody gets tangled

in that, including pets as well, that's when accidents can happen.

You can buy this, it goes on the bottom, the thing is anchored and

the slack is taken up. Cheaper and easier, you can buy thet cleats

here, they just break like that, so if anybody gets tangled, they come

off. If you have long cords there and you need them some times sothey

don't get tangled up in the mechanism, buy one of these, put it

up high and wrap the cable around the figure of eight to get it

around children. The simple thing is, don't put blinds in children's

bedrooms because that's where these are happening. I bought a blind the

other day and there was a hook at the bottom and I thought, what's

that for. You need to look out for that sign. That's the BBSA sign,

make sure it's on the packaging. As I say, if they are coming from the

Far East and places like that, be careful. Moving on to a subject

that's close to your heart, Dom, something you love. Pensions! Did

you wake me up to ask me that!? We'll get through this quickly,

come on. YouGov asked for key phrases in pensions and half of us

didn't know what this was for. Annual sum that's paid out. I don't

know what annuity means. Payment received Imad El-Anis yul basis.

Trivialial means silly. I haven't a clue. I really honestly don't

understand. I think I knead to learn more about pensions!

To be honest, we didn't do that well in the studio did we. But

anyway, you obviously work tirelessly with people who don't

have accountants to explain things but the Government are doing things

now? They are trying to simplify things, they've brought out an

online dictionary and they are trying to put stuff into basic

plain English. It's a big leap forward. However you look at it,

mortgages are so far off, people don't buy them. A lady today who is

80, she hasn't been able to do anything in her kitchen because she

can't afford to change it. If you ask any pensioner now, they will

say pay attention to pensions when you're younger. And spend half an

hour online going through the phrases. An exciting half an hour

for you! If you have something you want Dom to sort out for you, send

us an e-mail. Lads, where do you go on holidays? You have just got back

from the Lake District haven't you?, I was there this afternoon and

North Wales. This is the first Welsh accent I've heard. All the

way back to London to hear one. Nobody seems to have one.

weren't looking in the right places. More tropical than that? I love

going to St Lucia and this year I went to San Francisco.

You should take Tony.Er... Tony, Tony, no. Well, we all know that

the Cotswolds are stunningly beautiful and it's a part of

Britain that one particular race goes very crazy for. Here is Gyles

to explain. What could be more quintessentially English than the

Cotswolds? Recorrespondently, this region of the west of England has

been attracting considerable interest in the east. Each year,

50,000 people from Japan come here. Why?! In Britain there,'s more

greenery. The scenery is beautiful and the houses. The scones are nice.

Ice-cream. Such is the attraction to this quaint corner of the

country, the Japanese tour guides are big business here. I'm going to

enlist the help of Yumiko and go on a tour so personalised, I even have

to drive myself. Why do Japanese people love coming here? The space,

the fresh air and the beautiful greenery. It's just like a postcard.

Is there not a lot of countryside in Japan? There is, but it's very

mountainous, not much space for the people to live. So to the Japanese,

the English countryside is an extravagant luxury. We were

attracted by the scenery. shopping. To look around gardens. I

love gardening. This is a different way and we enjoy it. Yumiko,

Japanese people love the countryside and old buildings. Why?

In Japan mainly because of the earthquakes. They build houses, not

to last for more than 50 years. don't have old buildings? Japan?

Temples and shrines, yes, but mainly they are quite modern houses.

When they come here and look at these old Cotswold stone buildings,

they love it. The stones are very practical.

That's the different. You neeck and spectacular. Even something like an

old foot scraper seems a waste of valuable space. In Japan, if you

are not using it, you get rid of it. Next it's back on the tour bus to

the town centre. Tell me, why do Japanese people take so many

photographs? Japanese people don't have a lot of holidays. Not as many

as we do? No, one week, so after they go back to Japan, they can

still enjoy their holiday by looking at the photos.

Yumiko, why have you brought me to a cake shop? Japanese people love

British cakes, especially they're interested in scones. There's

nothing like scones in Japan. Clotted cream is very hard to get

in Japan and they love it. people will fly 12,000 miles, lace

race to the Cotswolds to get jam and clotted cream. With thousands

of Japanese tourists arriving each year pouring millions into the

economy, Chris is keen to promote the relations and runs cultural

awareness classes for staff. Blowing your nose is a no-no, don't

be late. Treat the business card as if it's a person that you are

taking it from. For example, to put it into your back pocket would be

extremely rude. The enthuse ca-sm for what we have

in Britain and the Cotswolds so so genuine, it's a pleasure to take

that market seriously and explain what we have and to sell it --

enuse ya-sm. Does this mean all the hotels will be talking Japanese?

don't think so, it would be a shame. I had a few preconceptions about

Japanese tourists before I came here, but I found their

appreciation for our country and culture impressive. Well, my friend,

it's been a lovely day and I've been moved by what I've discovered

about the Japanese coming to this country and wanting to learn more

about our culture, so thank you for a lovely day and Sionara. Sionara.

No... What about that! You are delighted,

aren't you? I am, I'm off to the Cotswolds in weekend. You will be

having your photo taken a lot. What a fab week that is, but now you are

both known for your dulcet tones, but how well do you know other

broadcasting legends? That's the question. Guess the host from their

voice alone. They are disguising their voices OK. Let's have mystery

voice number one. So, DJs, you're having a laugh,

Nelson, what Nelsons? Right, come on, guesses, what do you reckon?

Who was that? They're broadcasting now? They are a broadcasting legend.

You particularly know this man very well. Come on?! You have no idea do

you? He might have been at your wedding.Er David Hamilton. It was

his best man at his wedding. He's also the announcer at Fulham

Football Club aren't you, David. Brilliant. He's wearing my jacket!

We'll move on to mystery voice number two. Trevor, the days of

bright young things may be gone, but we are still as smooth as your

black sat insheets. -- satin sheets. Is that somebody I know well?

the 70ed, he was one of Radio 1's youngest DJs. Pat Sharp? No. Mark

Geedier. Come on boys! Show yourself. David Jenson. Do you know

what, I think it's unfair they're disguising their voices. Misfri

voice three, don't disguise your voice -- mystery. We worked

together a lot abroad Tony, you never write, phone or send me a

postcard and I'm your love child, for goodness sake. Who is that?!

really didn't think this game would be this difficult. Was he

disguising his voice there? Saturday Superstore presenter?

Saturday Superstore. Keith. Begins with an M and his surname is Read.

Mike Read. Dear, oh dear. That's embarrassing.

That is so embarrassing. My word. Sit yourselves down and we'll let

you catch up anyway. That a all we've got time for. Good luck with