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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker. We

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are joined by a couple of stadium fillers tonight. The first is a

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singer with the most consecutive Top Ten hits in the UK. The other

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is a runner who is the first amputee to run in both the Olympic

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and Paralympic Games. Please welcome Ronan Keating. I and Oscar

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Pistorius! Brilliant to see you both. It is a real treat. Two

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lovely looking guys. Three. And you will stay with us for the whole

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show. Oscar, we will talk about the Paralympics in a while, but first,

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let's cast our mind back to the Olympics. What an incredible

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reception he received in the Olympic Stadium. It was absolutely

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mind-blowing. I felt like it was my home crowd. It was terrific. At

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that moment, my grandmother, 89, was sitting on the home straight.

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My family and friends were there. And the Olympic Games are over for

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those athletes, but the brilliant thing for you is that it all starts

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again. And it is the same. The same stadium, the stadiums are packed

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and sold out, and it will be phenomenal. The athletes had

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excited and are raring to go. I have seen some of them on the warm-

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up track and they look pretty fierce. Have you moved out of the

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village, or have you just stay there? It would have been a bit of

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a ghost town in between, so I went back to Italy and had a race in

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Warsaw, and then I packed my stuff and I have come back. It is nice to

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be back in the village. Feels like a bit of deja-vu, but it is great.

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I am excited. Ronan, you weren't in London for the Olympics, but you

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did see it? I watched most of it. The coverage was unbelievable. What

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a backdrop, London. A way you abroad? I was in Portugal with the

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kids. I was travelling around Europe doing promo and so on.

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you hoping to see the Paralympics? Are I am definitely going to catch

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some next week. I have extra tickets. I will take a few of them!

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Many of the Paralympic athletes like Oscar have dealt with

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disability from childhood, but for some, it can happen suddenly.

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time Paralympic gold medallist Marc Woods is in Stoke Mandeville to

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find out why sport is so important to people who have had their lives

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drastically changed through disability.

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I never imagined I would take part in the Paralympic Games, MOBO when

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I was 17, I was diagnosed with cancer and had my leg amputated. My

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parents encouraged me to get into sport and exercise to help with my

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recovery. Was I got into the pool, I felt as though my life was given

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back to me. Before long, my swimming was my passion, my life

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and my career. Using sport to help with rehabilitation started at

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Stoke Mandeville Hospital in 1948. 52 years later, Stoke Mandeville

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still leads the way in rehabilitation through sport. Many

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of our Paralympians started their road to sporting success right here.

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And with his new it to the spinal centre. Just months after breaking

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his neck snowboarding, he is starting on the long road to being

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active again. I used to snowboard for the thrill of it. I could see

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myself doing sport now for different reasons. One is the

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fitness. Being injured, you are more conscious of your body and

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what you can and can't do. When I see Paralympians now coming into

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the hospital, seeing what they can do inspires you to think, I may not

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be able to do the marathon, but I should be able to go to the shops.

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I know first hand how important it is to have sport to focus on after

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everything changes in your life. Clare Dyer is responsible for

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spinal rehabilitation at Stoke Mandeville. Not everybody is into

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sport. Some people enjoy the arts side more. But where sport is

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important is in enabling people to be stronger, improving their

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balance in the early stages of their rehab, but also for some

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people, competition is important and they used to take part in sport

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preinjury. It is a cult -- good opportunity for them to start

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getting interested in that side again of what might be part of

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their life when they have left. stone's throw from the spinal

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centre is a sports facility where both patience and Paralympians

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train side by side. The Beijing Paralympics were playing on TV when

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Nicky discovered she would never walk again after having a serious

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car crash. It was a great time to break my back while Beijing was on,

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because I had never seen the Paralympics before. So I watched

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every sport that was on and the ones that I thought looked fun, I

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e-mailed the federations and said I would like to give their sport a

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goat. You were very proactive. It must be important to you. I didn't

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want to be thought of as a disabled person. Then I saw the girls in the

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wheelchair racing in Beijing. They were sitting in wheelchairs along

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the start line, but the last thing you noticed was that they were in a

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wheelchair, you just thought they looked like athletes. Through the

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fast track Paralympic programme, I got into athletics. Was I had had a

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go at racing and will chair speed, it was amazing. What are your

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ambitions now? I hope one day, I will win some Paralympic medals. I

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would like to go to Rio, maybe for triathlon, maybe track. We will see.

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I am focusing on being at the Paralympics, which is better than

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anything I would have been doing if I had not become disabled. A Oscar,

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you summed it up perfectly. You are not disabled by the disabilities

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you have, you are able by the abilities you have. In is a great

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testament to every Paralympic athlete. No one focuses on their

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disability, but rather on the abilities they still have. You have

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said we are very forward-thinking over here as part of -- as far as

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the Paralympics are concerned, and disabled sport. Why do you think

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that? We travel extensively and I see a lot of people's perceptions

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around the world when it comes to disability. Some countries, when it

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comes to the education surrounding various disabilities, they are very

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narrow-minded and there is a lot of stigma and stereotypes that exist.

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I have been competing in the UK since 2004 at least once a year,

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and I have come into contact with the media, and they are more in

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touch and clued-up with disability. They are not shy to talk about the

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various disabilities. The way they have approached the Paralympics has

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been mind-blowing. They have not looked at it as disabled sports or

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something to be shy of, let's look at it for what it is, a phenomenal

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sport. It is full of triumphs and disappointments. It has got great

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successes. It is not an inspiring, but it is hard core sport. There is

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a lot of hype around the Paralympics, and the media have

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labelled the Paralympic athletes as superhumans. How do you feel about

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that? Is it putting too much pressure on? Not at all. Every

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athlete is a superhuman, not only myself. They are great performers.

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I watched some of the performances of the previous Paralympic Games

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and some of the performances in these Olympic Games, and sometimes

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you expect something of an athlete, and when they compete, you are left

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speechless. Like, how did he do it? That is superhumans. And that makes

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us watch it. How can you then compare the Olympics and the

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Paralympics? In tis the most easy thing to compare. It all boils down

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to not the most competitive nature between the athletes, but if

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somebody can step out there and break their own personal best

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regardless of what the competition is, if an athlete can step out

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there and smash their record and give it their best, that is what we

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need to command. Likewise, when they don't do well, you need to be

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critical of their performance. But I saw some performances previously,

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like David Rudisha's 400 and 800. I have seen women bench press more

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than I can. That is superhuman. Let's see you in Beijing in 2008,

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Everybody in the bird's nest is watching Oscar Pistorius. This

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could be very special indeed. Oscar Pistorius is champion. Oh, my

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goodness! Of how does it feel to run faster than anyone else?

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That was terrible, actually! It was the last race after a very long

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week. My time was 47.5, and I needed to run a lot quicker. I was

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just sick during that time. It was a phenomenal experience being out

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there, but ultimately I have always said I would rather come last and

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run a personal best than run badly. Hopefully, I can redeem myself in

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just over a week when I come out for the 400. You have had this

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transitional period. What have you been doing? You are racing Jonnie

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Peacock, who is a hot favourite. Brett exciting. In Beijing, I run

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the 100, 200 and 400. Jonnie Peacock is a great contender. He is

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doing the 100 metres. By the time he gets to the 100, I will have

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cleared the 200 and half the 4 x 100. I am looking forward to this

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event more than anything. I have lost 12 kilograms since Beijing to

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be more efficient on the 400. But I am sure we will have a great time

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on the 100. Jonnie Peacock is a great competitor. Are you happy

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with just medals, or have they got to be gold? I am going to go out

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there and have fun, and hopefully I can contribute to the evolution of

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the sport. But yeah, always go for gold.

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A well, in the days following the Olympic closing ceremony, a

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specially built terminal at Heathrow handled all the overseas

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athletes are eager to get home to their friends and families.

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some of those athletes didn't just fail to check in, they never even

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went to the airport. This year's Olympics gave Britain

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more medals than any other games in the last 100 years. They also stand

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to gain Britain a clutch of asylum- seekers. It has been reported that

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21 competitors, mostly from African countries, did not fly home after

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the Games. But no one will know for sure if they want to stay in the UK

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into after their visas expire in November. One member of the

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Eritrean team has gone public to tell us about why he made the

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decision to stay. There is no guarantee that he will be allowed

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to, of course, but he told me through an interpreter the reasons

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why he wants to stay. TRANSLATION: I am an athlete, but at the same

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time, I am a forcibly conscripted soldier. I didn't have any sort of

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freedom. I enjoyed -- that I enjoyed during my stay in the UK.

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What do you think the reaction will be from the government back in

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Eritrea? I will be accused of treason. They will charge me. And

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if you are accused of such serious allegations, without any rights,

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you will be executed. So my life would be in danger. For some people,

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international sporting events are the only chance they get to flee

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their homeland. After the Sydney Games, 83 members of the Olympic

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family remained illegally. Closer to home at the 2002 Commonwealth

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Games in Manchester, 20 members of the Sierra Leone team simply

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vanished. The number of people claiming asylum has dropped

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dramatically over the last decade. Last year, nearly 20,000 people

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applied for asylum, but only 4309 were successful. Of those, 615 came

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from Eritrea's, a country there was found by a United Nations report to

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subject its army conscript members to torture and forced labour.

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Asylum is a very specific thing, and the UK has signed up to the

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refugee Convention. That allows a country to grant asylum to somebody

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if a person has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race,

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religion, nationality, political opinion or membership of a social

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group. It is not the case, as is sometimes perceived, that they are

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free to come and go as they please. They will report to the border

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agency regularly so that they are aware of their whereabouts all the

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time. And they are heavily scrutinised. The reality of the

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asylum process for this man is that he is told where he has to live, he

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is under a night-time curfew and he is not allowed to earn any money.

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He says if he is granted asylum, he wants to work and continue running.

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Who knows, he could one day be competing for Team GB. He and his

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translator, who has lived in the UK for nine years after being banned

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and asylum, insist that welfare handouts are not the reason they

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have come. There is a perception that asylum seekers choose the UK

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because it is a soft touch and has a good benefits system. Not at all.

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I disagree. All they want is personal freedom and to be part of

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that society. That is why a lot of people come to the UK. They feel

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they are part of British society, the people are more tolerant,

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understanding people. And there are opportunities to express yourself

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and be part of society. If the other Olympic athletes who fail to

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go home have not applied for asylum by the end of November, when their

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visas expire, they will become over Stayers. They will become subject

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to what is called administrative removal. That is where the border

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agency, if they can locate them, will remove them from the UK.

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person disappears, what are the chances of tracking them down?

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his difficult to say. There are obviously problems, and there are

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an unknown number of people in the UK who do not have immigration

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status, but have disappeared into the system. As for this man, he now

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faces an anxious wait to hear if his application is successful. Is

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it your plant that Mike was it always your plan to come to the

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Olympics and stay? TRANSLATION: Exactly the same

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question that you put to me now was asked by the Home Office and the

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interviewing officer. And I said to her, the only reason that I remain

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in this country is not something that I had planned previously,

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prior to coming to the UK. If the British public wants me, it would

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be a pleasure to be a champion for Ronin, you're a back with an album

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for the first time in six years. Where have you been? I've been here

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a few times! And you studio album, it is interesting. The last album

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was the Burt Bacharach album. I had done covers albums, but this is a

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brand new studio album, 12 brand- new songs. You being open and

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saying the last few months have been very difficult for you. Is

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that reflected in his music? definitely draw from your emotions

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as a writer and performer. You draw from those emotions, but it is not

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autobiographical in any way. first single is called Fires. What

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is that about? It is an uptown opportune. -- up-tempo. I'd guess

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it is a song about me moving forward, taking the next step and

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moving on. In the video it is me saying goodbye to an old me and

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moving on. You worked on this album with the same people who wrote Life

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Is A Rollercoaster. Grey Alexander is back. This has to be one of the

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catchiest songs of all time! Faces up for most -- this is up for most

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summer-long song or something. when we mentioned it for Oscar, he

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said he loved it. Coming out of the subway... We thought we would get

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some fans with a few questions and of course they are on board a

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Are a # Life Is A Rollercoaster. We love you! Life might be a

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roller-coaster,... Are what? I didn't hear what she said. That was

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Kate and Katie. Life may be a roller-coaster, but how do you

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really get your thrills? I have a motorcycle, I liked to ride my

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motorcycle. That is how I get mine. You like a motorbike. What I ride

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motorcycles, yes. Another question. Have you ever lost your voice?

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heard that one! On my first solo tour, I was touring the UK and

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Ireland, and the last show was in Belfast. 10,000 people. Walked out

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on stage, no voice whatsoever. Totally gone. Her what did you do?

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The most frightening thing I've gone through. I had to give the

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microphone to the audience and let them sing. My band were helping.

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Weirdly enough, as I went through it, bits-and-pieces were there. It

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was one of the best gigs I've ever done in the end. They all loved it.

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Does it play on your mind? After that it really did. I was stressed

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out. It was wear and tear and not looking after my voice. I've

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learned a lot from that. Very cautious now. Let's have one more.

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The queue for this ride is very long, have you used your celebrity

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to get to the front of the Ku? I have. Terrible! What situation?

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When you are rushing through an airport and you are late for a

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flight, sometimes... You jumped to the top of the security queue and

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you get through quickly. I've been with my kids. It was probably

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EuroDisney. It was the last ride and we had to go because we would

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miss the flight and the kids wanted to go on this thing. You run to the

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top of the queue and hope somebody will recognise you. I am never

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going to live this down! It is funny you were saying about losing

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your voice because apparently my microphone has gone so I have to

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use this! You've caught the acting bug as well recently. Yes, I made

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my first film last year, Goddess, which is out in February. A

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romantic comedy. All of the Boyzone fans will be thinking, have you got

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time to do a 20th anniversary tour? Her I hope so, we are talking about

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doing it next year. Maybe an album and a tour. Good news. In a proper

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showbiz way I will tell you that the new album, Fires, is out on

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Monday. The dislike Top Of The Pops! The Republic of Ireland has

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always been a neutral country and in World War to that lead to an

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extraordinary uprising among the army and the repercussions lasted

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way beyond the conflict. Larry Lamb went to Dublin to hear about

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Britain's Irish soldiers. Dublin, capital of the Republic of

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Ireland. During the Second World War, thousands of men left the

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southern Irish are made without permission. They deserted, one of

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the worst crimes the soldier can commit. But the fascinating thing

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is they were not being cowardly of running away from danger, in fact,

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many of them were doing the opposite and putting their lives on

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the line. During the war, the Irish government stuck to its rigid

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policy of neutrality. While the Allies fought the Nazis, the

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soldier ants -- soldiers and Ireland were watching from the

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sidelines or posing for the cameras. So thousands of Irish soldiers

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deserted, some left to find better- paying jobs, but many wanted to see

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some real action and help stop the Nazis. For a joint for British Army

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instead and went to war. -- they joined the British Army. When the

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war was over here, the Irish soldiers knew they would be in

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trouble for deserting so many came home expecting to be court-

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martialled. But they were wrong. After initially car -- court

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martial in some soldiers, the Irish game -- government came up with a

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quicker solution. They dismissed 4983 deserters in one fell swoop.

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And they put their names on a blacklist which made getting a job

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or claiming welfare almost impossible. Peter has been

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campaigning for a pardon for men on the list. This list was distributed

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right across the hall a violent, it right down to the Post Office, the

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library, the council office. If somebody was on this list, you

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couldn't get a job. It was mainly in the rural areas... We working

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for the council. You were bought -- you were barred. They were angry

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about it. These are Defence Force personnel and they are entitled to

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military law and to be treated according to military law and the

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right to a fair hearing. So these men were actually entitled to a

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court martial? Exactly. But the list punished more than just the

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soldiers whose names were on it. Many of the men were fathers with

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families and with no work, there was no food on the table. Many of

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the family's experience extreme hardship. The list was only

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supposed a barman from state employment for seven years, but

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many felt its impact for the rest of their lives. In Britain, these

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men would have been welcomed home as war heroes, but the Irish

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government at the time thought it was a fair solution to the problem

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of dealing with so many deserters. They didn't have the administrative

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capacity to court martial them. It was felt maybe it was easier to

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make such a list, one-size-fits-all, put it together and then you've

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dealt with it. Shouldn't the fact that some of these men had fought

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the Nazis have made the difference? You would think so, but one of the

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questions... You have a list of 4983 names, you know they deserted

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the Irish defence forces, but we don't know what happened to them. A

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large proportion probably joined the Allies, but we can't say for

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certain. We also know a proportion would have joined in the economic

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war effort in Britain. But there also be a minority who just

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vanished into the woodwork across the border, maybe across into the

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larger cities in the UK and we don't know where they went. For the

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Irish government has now announced an amnesty. But only for the men on

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the list who deserted to fight with the Allies, not for any who

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deserted to find better-paying jobs or simply disappear. Without proper

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records, we can't possibly know how many of the names this amnesty

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applies to, but that is not the point. De point is that the few

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surviving deserters will know and so will the families of those who

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have passed away. For all of them, this is a very private reprieve.

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The feedback I'm getting is that the families are very happy. This

:25:33.:25:38.

has removed the stigma. Historical baggage has been taken off their

:25:38.:25:43.

backs. Dan has joined us to talk about this. Have you heard about

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this? I know nothing about this, it is really interesting. I would like

:25:48.:25:54.

to learn more. Why have they issued an amnesty now? It is a long time

:25:54.:26:00.

and Britain and Ireland have resolved their differences. They

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are normalising relations and the Queen was the first British head of

:26:05.:26:12.

state to visit Ireland since independence. She visited some

:26:12.:26:15.

Republican sites and did some good diplomacy. It is about forgiving

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and moving on. What was the strength of the feeling against

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Britain? I've got a lot of Irish friends. Amongst people, there was

:26:27.:26:32.

never vicious anti- British or anti-Irish feeling. The Irish

:26:32.:26:36.

government was particularly hostile because the Irish government was

:26:36.:26:40.

dominated by Sinn Fein. The head of the government had actually been

:26:40.:26:46.

condemned to death by the British Army. They have fought of Fischer's

:26:46.:26:50.

war. This was a long time ago for top of the British Army was the

:26:51.:26:55.

absolute enemy, particularly in government circles. It seems hard

:26:55.:26:58.

for us to believe now, but at the time for British had carried out

:26:58.:27:02.

war crimes in Ireland. A lot of Irish people could not believe

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there would be Irish people willing to fight for the British Army.

:27:06.:27:10.

the magazine... If they celebrated the Queen's coronation, they were

:27:10.:27:14.

banned in Ireland. If you wore poppies to certain pubs around

:27:14.:27:18.

Remembrance Day, you might have somebody having a word. But that

:27:18.:27:24.

has changed. One situation the same in other neutral countries? People

:27:25.:27:30.

were desperate not to get brought into this war. Places like

:27:30.:27:33.

Switzerland, people were actually prosecuted for helping Jewish

:27:33.:27:37.

people escape from Germany. It seems incredible. The Swiss

:27:37.:27:41.

government was desperate not to take sides. In America, before they

:27:41.:27:46.

joined the war, you risked losing citizenship if you signed up for

:27:46.:27:50.

one of the protagonists. By you feeling outnumbered? A little bit

:27:50.:27:56.

but I like it! Tomorrow we are going to be in Sheffield because

:27:56.:28:00.

the One Show is going on tour and Mike is there. He is preparing for

:28:00.:28:08.

top who have you got? I've got Barney the barn owl and

:28:08.:28:11.

tomorrow we will be at Endcliffe Park, part of a massive

:28:11.:28:16.

extravaganza that is the One Show roadshow. Tomorrow, all being well,

:28:16.:28:20.

on the stage over there, Carrie Grant will be teaching the audience

:28:20.:28:25.

how to sing as part of a massive choir. Also, Marty Jopson will be

:28:25.:28:30.

doing a massive science demonstration. A lot of tents

:28:30.:28:34.

around us. Angellica Bell will be co-ordinating a huge piece of One

:28:34.:28:39.

Show art. Sarah Jarvis will be doing her Street doctor clinic,

:28:39.:28:42.

Christine Walkden will be dispensing pearls of wisdom about

:28:42.:28:46.

gardening and Gyles Brandreth will be talking history. It starts

:28:46.:28:51.

tomorrow, please come down. It will be brilliant! Are very well behaved

:28:51.:28:57.

Bonnell! The weather looks great at the moment. That is the One Show

:28:57.:29:02.

road show tomorrow from 12 noon at Endcliffe Park in Sheffield. And it

:29:02.:29:09.

is free. Why not finish your school holiday with a trip to Sheffield.

:29:09.:29:14.

Oscar, tomorrow you will be holding the flag. Yes, really excited! Last

:29:14.:29:19.

time I was in Sheffield it rained for days and days. Thanks for that!

:29:19.:29:25.

I am looking forward to tomorrow. What technique... The flag is quite

:29:26.:29:35.

hard so my technique is to get protein shake. Thank you into our

:29:35.:29:43.

guests. Ronan Keating's album Fires is out on Monday. And thank you to

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