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we do with him? Burn him? Tonight on Review, crisis, what

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crisis? The world of literature is trading high in a book review show

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special. Master of horror, Stephne King,

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turns back the clock to try to stop Lee Harvey Oswald, in 11/22/63.

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you afraid of ghosts, how can you be when the crime hasn't happened

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yet. Polymath academic in a conspiracy against the Jews in The

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skal Prague Cemetery. Blue Nights from Joan Didion. I didn't think

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people would see it as a love story. From literary exile to national

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hero, Apricot Jam And Other Stories published three years after the

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death of Alexander Solzhenitsyn. This is something absolutely new.

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It is the language Russians have been speaking for thousands of

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years but none of our writers have used it. And a selection from the

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celebrity book shelf. Joining me here in Glasgow to praise or pan

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the year's literary offerings, are four critic whose literary credits

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are no way of need of a bailout, Greer grorgror, Susan Hitch and

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legendary English professor and beekeeper, John Carey. As ever you

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can make your own comments, or heart felt grittisms on Twitter.

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Our team are sharpening their tongues to respond as we speak.

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Stephne King is synonymous with horror fiction, the man who created

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Carrie and The Shining, and also Stand By Me and the Shawshank

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Redemption, in his new novel he looks to the past for inspiration

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and one of the defining moments of his teenage years. On the 22nd

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November, 1963, the 35th President of the United States, John F

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Kennedy, was barely a thousand days in office when he was assassinated

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by the by now legendary lone gunman. Stephne King was a teenager when

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Lee Harvey Oswald fired his shot. In 11/22/63, the supremo of the

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horror genre asks what would happen if we could change the critical

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moment in history. I was sitting on a bench looking at the Syntagma

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Sqare brick cube of the Texas book deposry. Come on in, the sixth

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floor whispered, take a look round, and take a look at the sixth floor.

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There is a museum here, and people come from all over, and people weep

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for the man who done what he done, but this is the 60s and Jake Epping

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doesn't exist, only George Ambush exists, a man of his time, so to

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speak. To come on up, are you afraid of ghosts? How can you be

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when the crime hasn't happened yet. Jake Epping is a 30-something

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English teacher from Maine. His friend who runs a local diner has a

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secret. A hidden store room by transports Jake back to 1958. Al

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enlists Jake on a mission to prevent the assassination of JFK.

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Jake's new life as George, plunders him into a world with iconography

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of the period. A series of entanglements ensues, romantic and

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more surprisingly with Oswald him we have. I went to the pantry and

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made small shuffling steps forward, pretend you are trying to find the

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stop of a staircase with your eyes shut. Close your eyes, it is easier

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that way. I did, two steps down I heard the pressure equalising pop

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deep in my ears. Warmth hit my skin, sunlight shone through my closed

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eye lits, I heart the weaving flats. It was September 1958, two minutes

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before noon. So how successful has King been in his reimagining of

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mid-20th century America, and has the king of horror brought his

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skills to bear on counter factual history.

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Stephne King says he has been trying to write the book for 25

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years, but completing it has he set himself up as a completely

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different writer? I don't know, he has always written a lot of

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different types of books. I read this book with such joy, he's a

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readers' writer but also a writers' writer, the sentence structure and

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the rhythm, and dancing talk as well. What I was very interested in

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with the "what if" story, what if Jake had been black or a woman,

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that kind of twist to the story. I think at the end of the bok he does

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acknowledge sometimes that he's a lot kinder to that period. I think

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he came to it with a lot more nostalgia. There was a lot more of

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his teenage baggage, it was a conventional hero? It was a

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conventional hero, at the end he acknowledges, just in terms of

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Dallas, he recalls an incident when LBJ's wife went, and she was spat

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on by middle-class house wives, you don't get that sense of real

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nastiness in America. What did you make of it I agree, he's an amazing

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writer. I wish he could get a grown-up story to tell. The time

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travel thing is irritating, for me. Because we know what happened. We

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know how the story will have to end. But it is a kind of general thing

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of fiction, in a sense, Robert Harris did it in a different way

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with FatherLand, this working out of what if, and the thought process

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and how things could be different? If we are really examining the

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structure of the plot, it has to rely on a tremenduously tenuous

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story about the bets he's having on the things he knows, which he

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strangely knows, because they have already happened. Except you would

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have to have an extraordinary recall to recall they had happened

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at all. You go through all of that, you have the elaborate setting up

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of why it is, and it doesn't work, and da-da-da. What gets me and

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annoys me is this man could write n the most wonderful story about the

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50s. I was there, I was a teenager a bit older than he at that time,

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and the taste of things, the way they are, the way the wrappers are

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on things, the way the music sounds, the way the streets are laid out,

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the way the houses are organised, it is all so vivid, and he does it

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in such a compressed way. His sentences are packed with

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information, but you hardly notice. What about that, evokation, is it

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fetishising it slightly? We can't talk about the content too much

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because there is a fantastic ending. He goes into the rabbit hole, and

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what happens is you meet a man with a card, sometimes it is a yellow

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card, sometimes green, this man is sort of a guardian of time. One of

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them kills himself. The last time George goes through the man talks

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to him about who they are. He says we are not supernatural, we are not

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aliens, we are human beings, and we have to keep these streams of

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realities in our minds. That is crazy. What kind of human beings

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could they be to control reality. Is that craziness necessary, he did

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a lot of crazy things in this book? I think the book is struggling

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between two different kinds of explanation. There is the what if

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strictly science fiction explanation, about going back into

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the past. But there is also these time guardians part of, in some

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ways, with The King's Speech king book, a more familiar - with a

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Stephne King book, a more familiar horror genre, nasty things start

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happening if you mess with the past. That works less successfully,

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because this past is so substantial and so well imagined, that

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interrupting it with strange bits of horror seems irrelevant. Do you

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think that is because Stephne King has one foot in his horror genre,

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thinking he has this hugely loyal fan base, can I get really out of

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that? Or it is habit of mind. A habit of mind that is almost blown

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aside by this wonderful story telling and the reality of his 50s.

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He should have let it be blown and make it into the science fiction

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story. There was the whole measure of story before the main eye

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Adventurers of the Year. Did you think there was - event, there was

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several pages and for me it was a bit like wading through treacle?

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isness radio. One of the points about time travel is when you go

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back into the past everything you changed is cancelled, it is always

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the beginning. That is very important. And you have to have

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that early stuff to get that into your mind. It is shattering, there

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is a woman in the wheelchair, they will save her to be in the wheel

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chai, she is in out, in out, multiple universes. And there must

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be. There are multiple parallel universes. I felt I was getting

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three stories for the price of one here. You have the first story

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about the murder in family, the other story which is a love story,

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and then you have the JFK story. And I loved it, because he's a

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master story-teller. I'm not sure I liked the love story. I gagged a

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bit on the love story. Sadie is beautiful. From one conspiracy

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theory to no, unbelievably it is over 25 years since Roberto Echo

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burst on to the scene with The Name Of The Rose, he bursts on to the

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scene again with The Prague Cemetery. Philosopher and all-round

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Greg carous multitasker, he is prolific, he's known for The Name

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Of The Rose, also a successful film starring Sean Connery and a young

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Christian Slater. His plam buoyant style and conspiracy theories

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continues with his - flamboyant style and conspiracy theories

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continues with The Prague Cemetery. It follows a secret agent, versed

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in forgery and bomb making, but who is also capable of even darker

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deeds. It transpires he's behind some of the many conspiracy

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theories in 19th century history. Including offering the protocol of

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the members of Zion and putting them into a Jewish cemetery.

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interested in a reader that tries to understand not the game of the

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mother - murder, but the game of the author, the way in which the

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author pulls him or her, the reader to enter the story follow a certain

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path. In a way, the real plot and crime, is the one organised by the

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author. To trap, to frame the reader. The dark tone of the main

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character is set from the start of the book, mainting him as an

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unpleasant villain, who neither respects nor trusts anyone. When I

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was old enough to understand, he reminded me that the Jew, as well

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as being as vain as a Spaniard, ignorant as a Croat, greedy as a

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levintine, ungrateful as a Maltese, dirty as an Englishman, unctuous,

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and as Scotland rouse as anyone, is adult trous through uncontrollable

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lust, the result of an erect tile with a monstrous distortion between

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the dwarf build and that. With such subject matter comparisons have

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been made to Dan Browne, it has been described as the thinking

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person's Da Vinci Code, but is The Prague Cemetery a worthy page-

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Turner or just murder. It is all about the author Greer

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gror Greer you are a stick letter for his - Germaine Greer, you are a

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strikeler for historical - stickler for historical accuracy. Did it

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arrest you? It puzzled me, it was meant to. That is kind of

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irritating. There is one type face for the narrator, one type face for

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the main character, who is theville lane of the piece, and his at -

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villain, of the piece, and his alter ego, sometimes his alter ego

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and sometimes something else. It is all trickry on the reader. It is

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irritating because he chooses 1897, there was someone called that, and

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the whole Paris he built full of Jews who occupied the highest

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positions in society, and instead her grubbing around with this block,

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who lives in a junk shop and fakes documents. Part of it his own

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fascination with documents. The fact that he's the scholar he is.

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By faking documents you don't actually change anything. The whole

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thing about the plotting and the conspiracy and the Stephne King

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which you loved, and then you have the Umberto Eco, - Stephen King

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which you loved, and then you have Umberto Eco with the documents?

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you go on Wikipedia, it says over the Middle East many despots

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believe them, as did Hitler do, still believe them to be true, and

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it is taught. You need a book simply exposing, very clearly, how

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the documents were forged. Why doesn't he do that. Instead of

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introducing all this fake history. There isn't a character in the book.

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Can the narrative spine carry the weight of all this information and

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history and the protocols and so forth? No, because it is a mess to

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me. I felt like this main character was like somebody in the corner of

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a pub, spouting a story going, and another thing, and another thing,

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and people were like stay away from this character, complete low. I got

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lost. This has such an exciting premise, this is a scam story, this

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should be about conartists, I don't know how he could have made this

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story as boring as he did. I felt as though I spent the

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evening in bad company. This stuff is disgusting, we had just one

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little paragraph of it there, he it goes on for pages and pages? What

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about the whole ideas of having an unpleasant central character in a

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book? They have to be unpleasant and interesting. This was not

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interesting. Umberto Eco's own wife, apparently, said when she finally

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read the book, no wonder you have been nasty all the couple of years

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when you have been writing the book. I felt I had been nasty while I was

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reading it. He ups the ante with it. He ups the stench of it? That is

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part of the con, that he can disburden himself of all of this

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zenophobic craziness, knowing he's press ago button out there, amongst

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the great unwashed, who will actually respond to it. It is a

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strange thing that it gives him a license to be so unpleasant. I

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recognise this Protestant tag nis son of perfume. He has a sinister

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glrb protaganist son of fare fume, he has a sinister gift. If there

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was a - perfume, he has a sinister gift. This is a profoundly

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misleading book. It is interesting that Umberto Eco

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compares himself, he almost says that he's the brainy Dan Browne?

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The pride in his own braininess, which accounts for all the post

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modern stuff, like the narrator is a separate person, and the narrator

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himself says he doesn't know who the mysterious writer is. Come on,

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we are not children. It is pathetic and it is trying to be clever, it

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seems to me. I think he forgot about the reader and a writer who

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forgets about a reader. He says that clearly himself, it is about

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the author? Then write your book and read it yourself. It is a post

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modern book.Yo Yo see that as post modern. It is meant to deconstruct

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the idea of certainty when it comes to historical fact, it is

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mischievous. It has its cake and eats it, you have a timeline at the

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end of the book in case you get lost, you are wildly lost, the book

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finshes and you have an appendix that explains what happens then.

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The only nice thing about the book is the food. It is fair to say that

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in recent years, life hasn't been kind to the celebrates writer,

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Didion de. Eight years ago she lost her - Joan Didion, eight years ago

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she lost her husband, the screen writer, John Gregory Dunne, she

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wrote about her lost in her memoir A Year Of Magical Thinking, which

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transferred to the stage with Vanessa Redgrave as Joan Didion.

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The tragedy went on, her daughter, was in a coma a year after her

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husband died, Didion revisits the death. I visited her in New York.

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Qintana Roo was a gift to you? thought of her as a gift. How did

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she come to you? She was adopted. Out of the blue I met a doctor, at

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someone's house, at a Christmas party. He said I understand you

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want a baby. I said, who doesn't. He said he had one coming the 1th

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of March, come see me if he would - 1st of March, come see me if you

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would like to talk about it. I did. So suddenly we were handed this

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baby. Did you think you were ready for motherhood? In theory, I

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thought I was ready for motherhood. Because I had not the slightest

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idea what was involved. I didn't even think, it didn't occur to me

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that it involved anything other than clothes. I thought it involved

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little dresses. But obviously I had no real clue. But it was the nature

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of your work, that you just took Qintana Roo with you everywhere?

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She was always with us. We simply, I can't think of any place we

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didn't expect to put her in the back seat and go. So she saw a lot

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and travelled a lot? Yeah, we were going to Vietnam at the time she

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was born, it didn't occur to me at first that it wasn't going to be a

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smart idea to take her to Vietnam. But we did. We didn't. You didn't

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take her but you could have? Definitely. You talked about the

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fact that she was worried and wanted to hear the narrative again

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and again, tell me what happened, the phone went and you went to get

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me, and what would happen if you weren't in, did that attend her

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throughout her life? I don't think I gave it enough thought. Because

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it did not, I saw no reason why she should be insecure about being

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loved, being wanted. So it did not cross my mind that she could still

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be and I think she was. But your narrative also was that you worried

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that she some how would be taken from you? Yes. Why? Why did you

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worry that? Because I, obviously I didn't think that I, I presume I

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worried that because I didn't think I deserved her. You never think you

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deserve the perfect baby to be handed to you. But she was. But she

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was. I think first of her sitting on the

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bare hardwood floors on the house in Franklin Avenue, and the wax

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terracotta tiles of the house in Malibu. Listening to the birds on

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eight track. The birds in the Mommas ska the papas, Do You Want

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To Dance, she would croon that she did. I still hear her crooning back

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to the eight track "I want to dance", the same way I still see

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the tatoo through her veil. Something else I still see from

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that wedding day, the bright red soles on her shoes. She was wearing

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Christian Laboutan shoes, with red soles, you saw the red soles when

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she kneeled at the alter. Did you get the sense always that she was

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fragile? No. I didn't. Or it didn't occur to me that she was as fragile

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as she was. Do you think that fragility came from genetics, when

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Sheehy vently found her own family? - when she eventually found her own

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family? There was a genetic component, but none of us have any

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way of knowing it. In the book you talk about depth and shall dough

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and changes? That is the most accurate - shallow and changes?

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That is the most accurate way to describe her. The particular

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personality she has she was always somewhere, there was light on her

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that you didn't expect to see, or the light changed. She was a

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different person. You expected her to be doing one thing and she was

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doing actually another. It is hard to get a handle on her? That is

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what I meant by it. It was very hard to get a handle on her.

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you feel you knew her? No. I mean I think I didn't know the totality of

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her. Did you feel also that you wanted to set things down for the

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record? Yes I did. I wanted, it was coming to my attention that I had

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treated her as a baby all of her life, you know, that I had been not

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as aware as I should have been of how sensitive and smart she was. I

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had thought, I wanted to, and so I wanted to say I'm sorry.

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You know. This book is about saying you are sorry to your daughter?

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But aren't you just being a little hard on yourself? I don't know

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anybody who has lost a child who isn't hard on themselves. If there

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is anything that causes you to have reason to be hard on yourself,

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there it is. But in the end, it was an illness that couldn't have been

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prevented correction it? No. could it? No. "I no longer value

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this kind of memento, I no longer want reminders of what was, what

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got broken, what got lost, what got wasted. There was a period, a long

:25:26.:25:30.

period, dating from my childhood until quite recently, when I

:25:30.:25:35.

thought I did. A period during which I believe that I could keep

:25:35.:25:38.

people fully present, keep them with me by preserving their

:25:38.:25:45.

mementos, their things, their totems. This misplaced belief now

:25:45.:25:50.

fills the drawers and closets of my apartment in New York. There is no

:25:50.:25:53.

drawer I can open without seeing something I do not want on

:25:53.:25:58.

reflection to see. There is no closet I can open with room left

:25:58.:26:02.

for the clothes I might actually want to wear. In one closet that

:26:02.:26:07.

might otherwise be put to such use, I see instead, three old Burberry

:26:07.:26:12.

rain coats of John's, a swayed jacket given to Qintana Roo by the

:26:12.:26:21.

mother of her first boyfriend. A cape given by mother to my father

:26:21.:26:25.

not long after world war II in other closet I find in a chest of

:26:25.:26:31.

drawers a perilously stacked assortment of boxes. I open a box

:26:31.:26:36.

and find fo photographs taken by my grandfather as a mining engineer in

:26:36.:26:41.

Nevada. In another box I find the scraps of lace and embroidery that

:26:41.:26:47.

my mother had salvaged from her own mother's box of mementos ".

:26:47.:26:55.

have so much around you, wold wonderful pictures of yourself,

:26:55.:27:00.

your husband and your daughter, things there. Do you look at them

:27:00.:27:05.

any more? I look at them because they are right there in wond of me,

:27:05.:27:09.

but I don't expect to - in front of me, but I don't expect to find an

:27:09.:27:15.

answer in them any more. comfort? I used to, I used to

:27:15.:27:21.

imagine that keeping those little family memories around me would

:27:21.:27:31.

continue to be a solace, but they don't actually. If you look back at

:27:31.:27:36.

your role as a wife, mother and writer? Oddly enough I think I was

:27:36.:27:41.

a better wife and mother, I used to think I was a better writer, and I

:27:41.:27:47.

used to think that I was totally focused on writing. Then I, at some

:27:47.:27:53.

point I stopped, and I started focusing on when I was no longer a

:27:53.:28:03.
:28:03.:28:04.

wife and mother, I started focusing on that, to a much stronger degree.

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On reflection. On reflection. were a better wife and mother than

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you thought you were? Yes. Isn't that a good thing? That's a good

:28:11.:28:13.

thing. Joan Didion, thank you very much.

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Thank you. I felt from that she was incredibly

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conflicted, but the main thing was she wanted to apologise to Qintana

:28:25.:28:28.

Roo? It came over very strongly. It is a very, very strange book. This

:28:28.:28:38.
:28:38.:28:45.

is a woman in acute grief, grief makes us solaceistic, she wrote a

:28:45.:28:50.

book about her husband dying in the year her daughter died. The self-

:28:50.:28:55.

concern becomes a real account of her own world, which she enters

:28:55.:29:01.

into, which has its own logic, not the logic of rationality. It is a

:29:01.:29:05.

different move from this book, it moves from the death of Quintana to

:29:05.:29:09.

her life, to account of her adoption, to the tumult that brings

:29:09.:29:13.

into Didion's mind, all the way through to the tumult growing of

:29:13.:29:18.

her ageing. But it seems in the end to be uncomfortably about her.

:29:18.:29:24.

There is something very like that about the work, and very

:29:24.:29:27.

unenlightning for all its honesty. Do you think there is a lot more

:29:28.:29:31.

pain than on the page, you had to read between the lines a lot of the

:29:32.:29:37.

time? Your interview is better than the book, without a doubt, to hear

:29:37.:29:40.

her talk. The book seems terribly precious to me. The way in which

:29:40.:29:45.

the culture is shown off, to Quintana as a bed time read, when

:29:45.:29:54.

she's tiny, she reads TS Eliot's New Hampshire, come on, their

:29:55.:29:58.

search for some quotation about the tropics, saying they are not exotic,

:29:58.:30:04.

they are only out of date. Well, come on, what does it mean? All

:30:04.:30:08.

these dropings of glamour rouse friends, Tony Richardson, who

:30:08.:30:13.

filled the house with light and parrots and whippets, oh how

:30:13.:30:20.

glamorous. Then the dreadful death. The death of the daughter. But all

:30:20.:30:24.

that precious talk is eliminated when she talks face-to-face. Do you

:30:24.:30:30.

think we know her better than she knows herself? Everybody will talk

:30:30.:30:34.

nonsense about the honesty of this book. And Didion knows perfectly

:30:34.:30:40.

well that writers sell everybody out. What they are making is a text.

:30:40.:30:49.

It is wonderfully light, shimering, complicated, he will dwant, style,

:30:49.:30:53.

stylistic effort, but you do know that you are not being told things.

:30:53.:30:59.

She feels guilty about Quintana's death, why? Why? Because Quintana

:30:59.:31:06.

was diagnosed as obsessive compulsive, border line personality

:31:06.:31:15.

disorder, who was doing all this to her? She appears like a design -

:31:15.:31:20.

designer accesssory, they want the child to fit into their life in a

:31:20.:31:26.

particular way, she's not allowed to be exist. There is a bit where

:31:26.:31:36.
:31:36.:31:37.

she says she brought her home in a cashmere fur-lined wrap. One of the

:31:37.:31:42.

things I appreciated when she spoke about her daughter, it wasn't

:31:42.:31:46.

filtered through her mental health issues. She wouldn't admit they

:31:46.:31:50.

were there. She did in the book. The thing is, particularly as I

:31:50.:31:55.

have recently been through very traumatic experiences myself, and

:31:55.:32:00.

people in my family, we all deal with grief in a very different way.

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We can say we might be saying she might not be honest, maybe this is

:32:03.:32:07.

her way of dealing with grief? thought she did explore it, we did

:32:07.:32:11.

get a sense of what Quintana was like as a little girl, she was

:32:11.:32:15.

clearly clever and funny. It goes to a hotel with her mother and

:32:15.:32:20.

father and talks to the screen writer about deals. Kids pick up

:32:20.:32:24.

the stuff at home. She picks up all that. There are some other absences

:32:24.:32:28.

from the book. One of those is the other people looking after Quintana

:32:28.:32:34.

from day-to-day. There is one walk- on part for one Spanish-speaking

:32:34.:32:38.

partner, who yells snake and grabs the child away, and Didion says,

:32:38.:32:42.

there is no snake. It is the only walk-on part for the many domestic

:32:42.:32:47.

staff, clearly all around, who was obviously a substantial part of

:32:47.:32:53.

Quintana's life. Do you think the book can convey loss, I'm thinking

:32:53.:33:00.

about Blake Morrison's book about his father, so you will lumating

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about his - illuminating about his relationship. Quintana does say

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some sad things, saying she wants to be in the ground and sleep, at

:33:10.:33:16.

what age and when it happens you don't hear it. You don't know

:33:16.:33:20.

Quintana when she was a child. of the things Didion wants to

:33:20.:33:24.

believe about her, is she showed signs of disturbance from an early

:33:24.:33:28.

age. She's saying it wasn't her fault, we couldn't do anything

:33:28.:33:33.

about it, we will never know, and also she died of hospital

:33:33.:33:36.

infections. Because she had so much medical treatment. So she's not

:33:36.:33:40.

going to discuss that, because five will get you ten, there is a

:33:40.:33:48.

billion dollar court case in the offing. We don't know that, do we?

:33:48.:33:55.

I said five will get you ten, it is a bit.

:33:55.:33:57.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn's One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich was the

:33:57.:34:00.

most seering indictment of the Soviet gulag ever written. Two

:34:00.:34:03.

years after his death we have another publication from the

:34:03.:34:06.

greatest Russian author of the 20th century. Apricot Jam And Other

:34:06.:34:09.

Stories was written in the years between Solzhenitsyn's return to

:34:09.:34:14.

Russia in 1994, are and his death, 14 years later.

:34:14.:34:18.

Now a firm fixture in the Russian School Curriculum, it was just

:34:18.:34:22.

decades ago when it would have been unthinkable to mention

:34:22.:34:27.

Solzhenitsyn's name in the Soviet Union. Despite winning the Nobel

:34:28.:34:33.

Prize for Literature in 1970, he was exiled from Russia four years

:34:33.:34:38.

later, for depicting his experiences in the Siberian work

:34:38.:34:41.

camps. Fleeing to the west, his reception from the world's press

:34:42.:34:47.

was a marked difference from his treatment in mother Russia. Going

:34:47.:34:53.

on a walk is difficult for Solzhenitsyn getting away from his

:34:53.:34:58.

exile. Going for a ride in a tram has no respite. It was many years

:34:58.:35:04.

before he went back to Russia, after Gorbachev allowed his books

:35:04.:35:06.

to be published. Apricot Jam And Other Stories was one of the books

:35:06.:35:09.

he produced on his return, they have been translated into English

:35:09.:35:14.

three after his death. His first son, Stefan, translated one of the

:35:14.:35:23.

short stories for the book. short stories are binary in two

:35:23.:35:28.

halfs, they are connected by theme, by character, by plot line, in one

:35:28.:35:37.

case by the names of the protagonist. They form a body of

:35:37.:35:42.

work, that he could not have writ without his return to Russia. He

:35:42.:35:47.

didn't sense - could not have written without his return to

:35:47.:35:54.

Russia. He couldn't have written them in America, he had to feel the

:35:54.:35:58.

native air. "I didn't know Russia, I didn't have a feeling for what

:35:58.:36:02.

mode of expression in a sentence. What sent me on the right path?

:36:02.:36:08.

Studying legal documents from the 17th century or earlier. When an

:36:08.:36:11.

accused was being questioned and tortured, the describes would

:36:11.:36:16.

record precisely and concisely what he said. When someone was being

:36:16.:36:21.

flogged, stretch on the rack, or burned with a hot iron, the most

:36:21.:36:25.

unadorned speech coming from his very bowels would burst forth from

:36:25.:36:29.

him. And this is something absolutely new. It is the language

:36:29.:36:34.

Russians have been speaking for thousands of years, but none of our

:36:34.:36:42.

writers have used it". He welcomed readers everywhere, he welcomed

:36:42.:36:46.

critics, he welcomed readers. Any time a reader opens a book is a

:36:46.:36:49.

magical moment and one that he always took very seriously and

:36:49.:36:55.

admired, no matter the country. We were talking about Eco being

:36:55.:37:00.

almost synthetic, this is about as real as it gets? This is a great

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book. He's not Tolstoy, but I nearly is. There were two stories

:37:04.:37:08.

in the book, I can't read Russian, and I fancy the language is

:37:08.:37:12.

different, he seems like Tolstoy. The two battle stories,

:37:12.:37:18.

Solzhenitsyn was in the breakout after Stalin grad, and one story

:37:18.:37:24.

about an artillery unit that gets cut off from the infantry and gets

:37:24.:37:29.

wiped out, and one about an acoustic unit that picks up the

:37:29.:37:34.

sound of enemy artillery and the targets, and everybody shouting at

:37:34.:37:39.

you. Like Tolstoy, but the loving attention to deDail was terrific.

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At the same time, and it is important - detail was terrific, at

:37:44.:37:49.

the same time, and it is important is the depression of the book. In

:37:49.:37:55.

the putting down of the peasant rebellion in 1920, he says the

:37:56.:37:59.

thirst for revenge was so powerful on each side that both sides put

:37:59.:38:05.

out the eyes of their captives before killing them. You think why

:38:05.:38:11.

is he on about the pureness of the Russian Seoul soul like Tolstoy

:38:11.:38:17.

when they street - Russian soul like Tolstoy, when they treat each

:38:17.:38:22.

other like dogs. He son said he couldn't write this book only in

:38:22.:38:26.

Russia. The banality that expresses itself in the sets of two stories

:38:26.:38:30.

is about two lives of Russia, and two lives of Solzhenitsyn in Russia.

:38:30.:38:35.

He has one life in the Soviet Union and another in Russia it's not back

:38:35.:38:39.

in Russia, it was the Soviet Union before. A lot of it is about

:38:39.:38:43.

negotiating what is tragically, horribly, still the same. It is

:38:43.:38:47.

still the same peasants. You can write like Tolstoy, because it is

:38:47.:38:53.

the same peasants, having the same horrible time in the same wars.

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I think it's Anne credibly ambitious attempt. - it is an

:39:00.:39:02.

incredibly ambitious attempt. The eight stories that fall into two

:39:03.:39:07.

halves. The two halves are meant to illuminate each other, you start

:39:07.:39:11.

with the most difficult one, which is Apricot Jam And Other Stories,

:39:11.:39:15.

because it is about language, and about the relationship of language

:39:15.:39:20.

to reality. The writer in the datcha, is Solzhenitsyn, that is

:39:20.:39:24.

where he ended up, it is his view of himself, as a stoodge, not only

:39:24.:39:29.

of the Soviets, not only of social realisim itself, but also of the

:39:29.:39:36.

noble prize committee. He's the cosseted writer who actually feels

:39:36.:39:42.

that he understands nothing. But then you have the other problem,

:39:42.:39:47.

which is the peasant uses the funny language. One of the problems with

:39:47.:39:55.

this collection is it is not translated by the writer, it is

:39:55.:39:59.

like reading bricks. What I had find interesting about

:39:59.:40:06.

Solzhenitsyn's work and this collection, I find writers who

:40:06.:40:10.

write about totalitarian regimes and have suffered the brutality,

:40:10.:40:14.

what it is is they just talk about the evil of the regimes, they don't

:40:14.:40:19.

talk about why so many people followed the regimes. I think

:40:19.:40:22.

Russia still has a very ambiguous relationship with communism. I

:40:22.:40:25.

think Solzhenitsyn does well what he does well, which is talk about

:40:25.:40:29.

the evil of those. What is interesting now is we are in

:40:29.:40:32.

situation where, he is on the curriculum in schools, and reading

:40:32.:40:37.

a lot of this material, you think, how is that actually taught, what

:40:37.:40:41.

is said. Because so much is unresolved, so much is so recent?

:40:41.:40:45.

Absolutely, and never can in a sense be resolved. He says at one

:40:45.:40:49.

point that you can't change human nature even under socialism. And

:40:49.:40:54.

the interesting thing is that the story about Zukov, the great

:40:54.:40:59.

Russian marshall, he takes part in the putting down of this peasant

:40:59.:41:06.

rebellion with another character in the story Ego, but the details are

:41:06.:41:11.

telling, in Apricot Jam And Other Stories, the kulak boy, he becomes

:41:11.:41:20.

a street kith kid, they run through the diner won't eat it and they can

:41:20.:41:24.

wolf it up. That brings home the hunger. We were talking about human

:41:24.:41:27.

nature, that human nature does follow a regime. I would like

:41:27.:41:31.

someone to explore that a bit more. He does also talk about, there is a

:41:31.:41:36.

sense in which you have already said how being an acoustic

:41:36.:41:39.

artillery officer, that is like Solzhenitsyn himself, Solzhenitsyn

:41:39.:41:42.

is negotiating what it would have been to take the other choice, to

:41:42.:41:45.

go on believing in communism, and then be disillusioned, what would I

:41:45.:41:50.

have done, these are not bad people doing these awful things. He's

:41:50.:41:54.

exploring that idea and exploring constantly the division between

:41:54.:41:58.

good and evil. It is even more complicated than that. In that

:41:58.:42:04.

story, about the village, that was their finest hour, which seemed to

:42:04.:42:09.

him, as a red army officer, with a load of built on his shoulders.

:42:09.:42:16.

will have to come out. After all that, heavy emotional lifting. It

:42:16.:42:22.

is time to send you into the weekend in a lighter note. This is

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a selection of our comedian with his favourite books. I think Robert

:42:30.:42:35.

E Howard who wrote Conan, a mad bloke from Texas who committed

:42:35.:42:41.

suicide at the age of 30, but in the age he was writing wrote more

:42:41.:42:47.

stuff than anyone could in a lifetime. He said someone stood at

:42:47.:42:52.

his shoulders dictating to him. This one is Wales rb writer of

:42:52.:42:56.

history and horror from the late 19th century. Most of the stuff is

:42:56.:43:00.

out of brint for years. This is about a guy who goes - print for

:43:00.:43:05.

years. This is about a guy who goes on holiday to Wales, and has a

:43:05.:43:11.

weird experience, and goes back to weird London and feeling he's

:43:11.:43:15.

perpetually stalked by a small dwarf. I have to pass through that

:43:15.:43:20.

bit of London every day on the bus, it is more exciting having read the

:43:20.:43:29.

book. This is Laughing Torso, by Nina, an artist and writer from

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fits rovia, all the writers Fitzrovia were on pints of bitter

:43:38.:43:42.

and cannabis, everybody in Bloomsbury was on champagne and

:43:42.:43:46.

cocaine. This is the catalogue of the lives of lots of fantastically

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interesting drunks in the 20s and 30s.

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His show is playing London and touring the UK. Thanks to my guests

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