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This programme contains strong language.

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The review show is back on track for a colourful autumn of cultural

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highlights. She made millions, and wowed millions of Muggles with

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Harry Potter. Can she do the same for grown-up fiction? JK Rowling's

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the casual casual. On The Road finally -- The Casual Vacancy. On

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The Road finally makes it into the cinema. Is it true to the book. 50

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years since The Beatles relosed their first single, The Magical

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Mystery Tour is up for grabs. And the Turner Prize. The return of

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007. My name is Pussy Galore. review show celebrates James Bond

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Day. I'm joined by critic and

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broadcaster, Paul Morley, novelist Julie Myerson, and writer and

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critic, Natalie Haynes, and Mika will be in the studio later. She

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made her name with a boy called Harry, and a villain called

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Voldemort, now JK Rowling attempts to cast a spell on the adult

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audience, with Middle England. Cheek-by-jowl it is set in a run

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down council estate. A million Muggles have pre-ordered the novel.

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It is top of the book charts already. Set in the seemingly

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idyllic fictional West Country village of Pagford. The Casual

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Vacancy is a tale of local politics and poverty. It is a move from

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fantasy to social realisim, which features adult themes such as

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violence, rape and drug addiction. The "vacancy" of the title, is a

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seat on the local parish council, where there is a long dispute

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between fields and the local council estate, which has long been

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seen as an unsavoury blight, by Pagford's middle-class majority.

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"there was nothing, as far as Harry could see, to stop the Fielders

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growing vegtables, or stop them pulling themselves together as a

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community and tackling the dirt and the shabbyness. Nothing to stop

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them cleaning themselves up and taking jobs, nothing at all. So

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Howard was forced to draw the conclusion that they were

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choosinging of their own free will to live the way they lived, and

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that the estate's air of slightly threatening degradation, was

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nothing more than a physical manifestation of ignorance and

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indolence. Rowling says the book's characters reflect the snobbery and

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pretensions she sees in Britain's middle-classes, and society's

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treatment of the less fortune was something she witnessed in her

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early years as a young single mother. Wefrpblgts talk about this

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homogeneous faceless mass. With the best intentions of the world, one

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of the first things to go is your individuality, you are seen so

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differently. I think if you have been there, you never forget that

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experience. Rowling claims she doesn't mind how sales figures

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measure up to the Harry Potter series, which has sold almost half

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a billion copies around the world. But will the citizens of Pagford

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work the same magic on the British public, as Harry in Hogwarts.

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Julie, you have a got family breakdown, alienation, troubled

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teenagers, in a funny way, a lot of elements in Harry Potter, but

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shape-shifted to the adult market. Did it work? I was very surprised

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by this novel. On the one hand I think it comilts a lot of the

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things that I think -- commits a lot of things that are fictions for

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crime writing so, many adverbs, you could go through it with a red pen,

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she tends to tell, not show. But I have to say I thought it was a

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really good read. I thoroughly enjoyed it t I was moved, affected

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and engaged. The last 200 pages really, I thought were really good

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story telling. I think in some ways, the Dickensian element, some of the

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tragedy there, I found it very moving. She did succeed. Did you

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become immersed in Pagford? I felt a responsibility to read it, after

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a few pages you think it will be a lot of effort. She is unbelievably

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brilliant at something, that is a form of writing. She can describe

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something so wonderful. You start to get into the idea of this is

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interesting, this is how she managed to weave her spell with the

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children's books, she is unbelievably brilliant at decribing

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things. After you have read the 512 pages, at the end of it, it is

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amazing how little there is in there for all that work. I give it

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a lot of credit. I love the idea she has stopped the momentum of a

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successful career to do it. She has earned it. It is the kind of book

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without Harry Potter would have sold 200 copies. I applaud that. It

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is oddly old fashioned, considering it is set in the Internet world.

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is a campaigning novel, she speaks so passionately about her own

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situation those years ago, clearly things have affected her very

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deeply? It is very serious, it is a very serious, 70s, lefty-sort of

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book. I would have liked it if they hadn't gone through all the

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ridiculous pal lava with the PR, and they had withdrawn it a bit and

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we had to find it. It withdraws what is going on. There is a quaint

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worthiness about it. The PR campaign is slightly corrupted.

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PR campaign, she could have done without it, I know a lot of big

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novels are shrouded in secrecy now? They want to shift copies, they

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have one million pre-orders, they won't take the high road, she may

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not need the money, but the publishing house certainly wants it

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and needs it. I agree, it would have been nicer to discover it

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rather than having it thrust upon you. Wake up one morning and there

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it is, magically appearing at the bottom of your bed. Like a letter

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from hog wart. I wanted to like it very much. I like her hugely as a

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writer, I like her hugely as a human being. She seems to decent.

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In the -- seems so decent. The last 200 pages were good, the first 300

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were in need of an edit. Because of the tonal lurch, it is a comedy of

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manners, look how hilarious the middle-classes are for the first

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300 pages. Then it is a terrible tragedy. I can't be moved by these

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people's awfulness, because we have been laughing at them for 400 pages.

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It seems to me, she just has a fantastic affinity with teenagers.

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They are by far the best people in it. In a weird way, two of the

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teenage characters, Fats and obviously Crystal, who are actually

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the kind of beating heart of this novel. In a sense, you felt that

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maybe she wanted to do that, but it wouldn't be seen as an adult book.

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If she had centered on them? would have been a better book.

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don't agree, one of the strengths is the huge cast of characters. I

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found the first 200 pages hard, because she's giving us a lot of

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people to keep up with. I think the novel is so well observed, that is

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what won me over. There was not a single detail I thought, no, that

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wouldn't happen. The teenage thing, you kind of think this is like

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Krystal, surely that is Tulisa, I think I won't question it because

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she seems to know what she's doing it, that "I ain't done nothing

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wrong", then you think you won't question it, I think she knows what

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she is doing. I wasn't ready for that. I think the funny thing is as

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well, when you hear her reading passages, that has strong languages,

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you think of all the kids with their children listening to it.

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says life is about trying to get a fuck and trying not to die.

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think JK Rowling said that! It is about sex and death. It is about

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difficult, and hard things, drug addiction and rape. She is very

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convincing about that. She has taken it seriously, I was very

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suspicion of, the idea that -- suspicious of, that if you were

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reading Harry Potter you would go on to read literature, and it might

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be that it is. It is a serious book, that if someone moves on from

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reading Harry Potter as a ten-year- old, they would go to this and look

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at serious issues. My children did do that, I don't think they are

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ready for this, it is a book for older people. A lot of people who

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started with Harry Potter at 12 will now be adult. All those

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million pre-orders, because we didn't know much about the book, do

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you think it is hopeful parents thinking it will be a young adult

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book? No, because of the publicity. Because of the PR campaign everyone

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knows there will be swearing and drugs and sex and rape, and all

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things you don't want your children to read about. She gave a good

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quote saying she hasn't represented herself as the child's teacher or

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babysitter. She wrote good books, that doesn't make her the thing of

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children. She is allowed to move. think the million people buying the

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book are wanting to be educated by JK Rowling on how to write book. I

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get that feeling, those first people want to know how does she do

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T there is an element, in a middle brow way, that she does something

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magical, there is an illusion about her. I don't want to criticise t if

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she could lose the thing, she will give you a scene, and sum it up

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with one line, and then prequels things, saying "guess what happens

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next". What do you think it will do for her reputation. With Harry

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Potter she has moved on, maybe she will write fiction for children and

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adults again. Harry Potter was also for adults. Do you think this is

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her saying I'm out there now, I have changed, I'm moving on to a

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different kind of writer? It has that passion. It has the passion of

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someone writing what they wanted to write. It shows nudges she could

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move into the literary world, she could pull it off. The Casual

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Vacancy by JK Rowlingcy -- is available now.

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Many thought On The Road was unadaptable for the screen. Walter

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Salles, perhaps buoyed by his 2004 success, the Motorcycle Diaries,

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has taken on the challenge. After its publication, it was labelled as

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an anti-establishment piece of literature, bringing the arrival of

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the Beat Generation. Largely based on Jack Keroac's experiences of

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travelling across America. It charts their collision with a post-

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war America. To living and to life. Sal Paradise,

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Keroac's vision of himself, played by Sam Riley, embarks on a journey

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with anti-hero, Dean Moriarty. day before my father died, he took

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hold of my hand, and he looked at it, and he said, "you got no

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callouss Sal, that's because you don't do any real fucking work,

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boy". Fuelled by jazz, poetry and drugs, they embark on a road trip,

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with Kirsten Stewart's Marylou. Can't you wait until Frisco.

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don't care. Dean's going to leave me any way. But how do the leads

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convince as the pioneers of the Beat Generation? And 60 years on,

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does the film lend a new interpretation to this classic tale.

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I just had a great idea. You guys are gonna love it. Do you think

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Salles nails the spirit of the book? I don't think he does, but

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I'm not sorry, I always hated those boys who read the book, and said

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they were free spirits, no they were a tit. It has always irritated

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me, I wasn't looking forward to the film. I was kind of dreading it,

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but I kind of liked it. I think those two boys are terrifically

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booed, Garrett Hedlund, especially, as Dean Moriarty, is super-

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charismatic, doing that Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louis, turning up,

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saying I'm enormously handsome, and will be around for a while, as you

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were. He absolutely has the capacity to come in at the end and

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remind you that character is super charismatic and also fragile.

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Dangerous and fragile. Did you love the book as a

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teenager? Yes, it was biblical properties, and what I imagine and

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remember of it is not what the film is. This film is respectful to the

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text itself. That is what you yes or no for from a film version of

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this, is not that at all, but something that gets into the spirit

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of it. It is an American ideal of what a teenager would be, viewed

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from the perspective of a teenager looking back now and looking back.

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It is too decorative and loyal. is like a Leviad? It is a

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commercial for a weird idea of a teenager. It is nothing to do with

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the book at all. What you would really want from a film version is

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something so experimental and adventurous, it doesn't go anywhere

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near, being slavist to the text and we don't have Keroac sat in front

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of a typewriter with a bit of paper, wondering what to write next.

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agree, it is an irritating thing with a film that thinks it is cool,

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and the actors are flawed by it, thinking they were in a very cool

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film. It was irritating. It is years since I read the book. But it

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suffers from the fact that there is no drama. Because nobody ever does

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anything that has any consequences. It is a fatal lack of come up pence

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for anyone. Not that, Sal and the girl, Marylou finally get to sleep

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together, he has been wanting that for ages, in a morning she leaves a

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note saying goodbye and that's it. He has dysentery in Mexico? And the

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next shot he's fine. That stopped me feeling bad, he made a brilliant

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film about the road, and not this. That is why people thought he would

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be the one to make this film. only way to do it is to do

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something experimental. It is about finding freedom at the time, now it

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is so far removed, if you put a bunch of sudden dough teenagers for

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now, it is like a commercial. It is difficult to get to be a teenager

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in 1940s, and now, now you are liberated by the experimental work

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done in the late 1940s, if you are going to be genuinely faithful to

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the book, you are not faithful to the text. They did a lot of work,

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all the actors, all this improvisation with Salles. Your

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heart sinks as soon as you hear that. You can see there is a big

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music scene, a big jazz scene, where you think we are all thinking

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we are juing actors having a lot of fun. -- young actor having a lot of

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fun? It is not how they would dance now and not then. They were dancing

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like it was a rave? That Kirsten Stewart scene, it is very modern,

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isn't it? It is the most exciting performance she has given in

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anything. She was modern in it. She seemed like someone from now. She

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has meernd face. There was a lot of wasted actors in there. You go from

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Steve Buschemi, and Amy Adams, he jumps about through generations and

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actors. You have Kirsten Dunst and you

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wanted her to turn around and do something, because we are modern,

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but she was sat upon. I thought she was the most dramatic of characters.

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It is like women putting up with this for 20 years, and then it was

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like which bit of free a liberation means you get to treat everyone

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terribly. That was one of the pieces that seems real in terms of

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the 40s, girls did just go, that is just free spirity, and sat there.

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Her performance was the best in the film. The scenes she was in came to

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life, I cared about them. Even if there was no consequence, you felt

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there might be one. She plays, that is the way Keroac wrote her, as an

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intelligent woman, that Neil Cassidy was giving a really hard

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time to, in the book as I remember it. I thought also, the way they

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treated, you were meant to know this was Ginsberg and Burroughs?

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Viggo Mortensen does that, almost corny set piece, a corny idea of

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what life with William S Burroughs would be and Ginsberg. Almost pop

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videos, insip pid and let tharpblgic. The men are all -- Ince

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sip pid andlet thatic. -- Inspipid and lethargic.

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thought the best way is to start at the end, and end with them at the

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beginning, all young and fresh. That would have been moving. As it

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is we didn't care. There was no journey, for a book called On The

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Road. To begin the film with a conversation like this, but how it

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is impossible to film and then do it. Do it with bravado. The Keroac

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observation character, Sal, he was an incredible insipid character.

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fundamental error, a series of so obvious fundamental errors that you

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cannot believe it eventually got made. However long it is, it is

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that long, too long. We talked about it being a bit of a

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commercial the way it was shot. Is it did look, I thought, terrific?

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They cut 20 minutes out of it since it showed at Cannes. They knew it

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was too long, they were right. still have a way to go. It would be

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a great three-minute edit. Do you think people will return to Keroac

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because of it? I wouldn't have thought so. On The Road drives into

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cinemas next Friday. It was 50 years ago today that The Beatles

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relosed their first single, Love Me Do, pop music changed forever, it

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wasn't until five years later that they made a film to capture their

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own creative explosion, and the next chapter for Keroac's Beat

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Generation. The Magical Mystery Tour screened on Boxing Day in 1957

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tuned in, and the BBC was inundated with complaints. Tomorrow the BBC

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will show the film, and we look back at the making of The Magical

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Mystery Tour. When The Magical Mystery Tour was

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broadcast on Boxing Day in 1967, nestled in the BBC One schedule

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between Petula Clarke and the Norman Wisdom movie, it caused a

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sensation. Listen, this film. us something about the storyline?

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It is about a group of commoner garden strange people, on a coach

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tour, around anywhere, really. Things happen to them, you see.

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think the younger people would get t people who knew it was going on,

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in society. They would get it, and the older people, who were

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expecting mother came and Wise or the British -- Morcame and Wise, or

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the Royal Variety Show, would feel annoyed, and been cheated out of

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their Christmas Special. Speaking to those involved, Arena looks back

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on the impact of the movie, and the contribution to the cultural

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change? I was 15-year-old, and we sat and watched it right the way

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through in silence. Afterwards we looked at each other and said, what

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was that all about? When a man buys a ticket for a

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Magical Mystery Tour, he knows what what to expect. We guarantee him

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the trip of a lifetime. And that's just what he gets. The incredible

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Magical Mystery Tour. So how significant was The Magical Mystery

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Tour to the rise of counter culture, and how successfully does this film

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examine that particular moment in time. Two things here, we have the

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documentary about The Magical Mystery Tour, the making of t and

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the movie. First of all, on the documentary, did it show Paul

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McCartney and Ringo Starr in a different light, the conversation

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they were having? Paul McCartney is claiming to be the avant garde part

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of the group, we don't think of him like that, he has gone out of his

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way that it was him jamming in the 60s with the avant garde band in

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front of eight people, and it was him that pushed the idea. Ringo

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hasn't taken any responsibility for the movie, that is pure Ringo. I

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love it so much, now it makes sense in the historical context, the

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jamming together in the 1970s that The Beatles epitomised, and the

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things. 1960s? What did I say, 1970s. Sorry, I have taken

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something. The merging together of psyche Dell ka, it was interesting

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variety with European avant garde, it is the merging of ...That Whole

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thing about Paul McCartney and the avant garde, the former editor of

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the International Times, talking about the amazing thing at Crystal

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Palace where they did the benefit. That is modern his treatment it is

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fantastic to see that? We are shifting from lived memory, living

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through it, to recorded memory. I have spent 30 years ducking The

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Beatles, because it gets in the way of radical movement. It is like a

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distorted autobiography of four young kids from Liverpool, having

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the time of their lives for four years, and they were in a right

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state, and you see right inside. They earned the right to do

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whatever they wanted, nobody could tell them what they should wear and

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sing and they earned creative freedom, and God, they had it.

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you look at the movie you see later Python stuff? I don't know if I did.

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I don't know that stuff well enough. It is a funny film. If you want to

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talk about the documentary, I thought that was a thin documentary,

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but shed an interesting light on the film, I which had already

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watched that first. When I first watched the film I thought it was

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padded and dreadful in places, apart from when they played. The

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red nosed wizards in the caves? It was really bad. When I watched the

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documentary, there is an innocence to it, it is four lads using their

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imagination. It couldn't happen today and that is sad. The story of

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everyone watching it on Boxing Day and being so furious, is very funny.

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Natalie, we have to take it you have a pathological dislike of the

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Beatles. Let's just. I hated them my whole life, I hate them though

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my parents and my boyfriend like T I hate them so much I think the

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rest of you are tricking me by tree tending to think they are good --

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pretending to think they are good. That is a given, let's look at the

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set pieces, not even the set pieces for you were quite engaging to

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watch? No they were lamentable. You look back and think why were people

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so dull to think their drug experiences were inspiration for

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the rest of us. People of the 1970s were wise. Walter Salles is looking

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back and thinking he's doing it for Keroac? In fact Ringo and Paul

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should have made On The Road. This is On The Road. Can you imagine.

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Ringo Starr talking about taking his camera with him. That was the

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age of small cameras. They had technology for the first time.

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McCartney doing home movies, he was 25, why not? What he says about the

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slicing of the eyeball leading to Psycho, every second of the

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original film leads to pop video. The imagery, the way of presenting

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pop music through visuals, it is the source of all video in the

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1980s. I wouldn't miss video if it never existed for pop songs ever.

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Nobody I like has produced pop videos, I couldn't care less about

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everything The Beatles have done, has an impact in a world I haven't

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got an interest in. Everything you wouldn't like would not be here

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without The Beatles. It would be fine without them. I'm not as bad

:25:50.:25:53.

as you! But I don't love The Beatles, I never got them. This

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film is fascinated as a piece of archive. Also, I thought the

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funnyiest thing in the documentary is Martin Scorsese is so influenced

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by it! There might have been revisionist there? Paul Gambacini

:26:08.:26:11.

is bewildered, floundering to explain what is going on. The idea

:26:11.:26:15.

that you had a pop group that was the most commercial pop group of

:26:15.:26:18.

the time, embracing the experimental, and the avant garde,

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in way we yes or no to happen now. It is so ex-- we yaeorn to happen

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now, it is so exciting. All the things you love in popular culture,

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from Batman to Dick van Dyke, would not have happened without these

:26:32.:26:38.

people opening up. What is the most recent film. At that time you were

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having all the kind of, you know, before that, the Cliff Richard

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summer holidays, and all, that the inheritors of that is Spice World.

:26:48.:26:52.

Who is doing that now? 45 years later you looking at On The Road,

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it is not 45 years after that film, and it should be. What we are going

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next to the Turner Prize, is what we should be, it should be 45 years

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after The Magical Mystery Tour. Were weren't there more of their

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songs in it. When they were performing their songs in it, it

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was brilliant, there were only four or five. Your mother should know.

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It is fantastic at the end, the set piece at the end. There was a tonal

:27:19.:27:24.

world, in four years after Love Me Do, that urban harmonica that

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begins Love Me Do, that completely cuts open popular culture. I'm not

:27:29.:27:34.

a Beatles fan, four years later they are here and the sound is

:27:34.:27:41.

extraordinary. It is amazing. have to say they can't act.

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with Kirsty it is Monty python. go finally someone else has in

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theed. We have to agree to -- Notice Noticed. We have to agree to

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disagree. Unseen footage at the Beatles is at

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space.org. Who knows if The Magical Mystery Tour had been around for

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the Turner Prize, it might have been a contender. Artists who revel

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in detail and others are shortlisted for the prize. Going by

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the postcards pinned on the wall of Tate Britain as visitors leave,

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passions are running high. Paul Noble's intricate pencil designs

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are part of a larger body of work that has consumed the artist for

:28:25.:28:35.

decades. Newton's is an urban Metropilis and dystopian dream.

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Palaces, rain drops and pebbles, and even feeies, are rendered in

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pencil drawings and marble sculpture.

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When the city chambers were built, a quarter of the city of gas glow

:28:51.:28:58.

lived in tenement blocks, like this, this is one of the finest examples.

:28:58.:29:02.

Glaswegian artist, Luke Fowler, explores the life of controversial

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psychiatrists RD Laing, a 90-minute video collage, including archive,

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specially shot sequences and testimony. Laing confronted the

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medical profession with new ways of healing and treating the mentally

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ill, they ran contrary to popular medical culture. He explores

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Laing's fragile mental state and holding up a mirror for our own.

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The Woolworths Choir of 1979 by Elizabeth Price unites disjointed

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ideas under a common binding aesthetic, which shows how divided

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subject matters can be united by art. Ecclesiastical architecture,

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pop music, and a fatal fire in Woolworths in 1979, is combined

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with arresting graphics and a powerful landscape. This year the

:29:58.:30:02.

Turner Prize has nominated a performance artist for the first

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time in history. Spartacus Chetwynd invites gallery goers to interact

:30:11.:30:16.

with dancers, with a papier mash chet structure to look into the

:30:16.:30:20.

future, and puppets that look at the Bible story between Jesus and

:30:20.:30:27.

bar rab bus. It has polarised critical opinion, who from this

:30:27.:30:37.
:30:37.:30:37.

challenging quartet stands out. The Tate judges don't look at one

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piece of work, it is a whole body of work for the contention of the

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Turner Prize. Somebody who has a body of work here is Noble. It

:30:48.:30:57.

disPopeian vision of Knobs and Newton? It is my least favourite,

:30:57.:31:03.

it is not that I don't think he can draw, but I can never shake the

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belief as I went around perfectly and neatly rendered shit, that the

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whole thing has been put on by Vizf they thought let's satirise the

:31:16.:31:22.

whole thing with drawings and things made of shit. I can't

:31:22.:31:28.

believe no-one jumped out and I think well done Viz you, you got me

:31:28.:31:33.

again. I note at no point does it mention in the skrigs of his work

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in the catalogue that is the majority of what he has drawn or

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skutped, you think it is not there, that is most of what you have done,

:31:41.:31:47.

let's pretend it is not there. Like the description of what he was

:31:47.:31:51.

about to do, before I had actually seen it, much more than seeing it.

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I thought that's going to be interesting until I saw it, I

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didn't fall for the maps he was drawing and what was happening.

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spent decades drawing this thing. If you think about other artists

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who have done brilliant intricate work, like Michael Landy doing

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Weeds, beautiful in the humanity of it. I couldn't find the heart of

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it? I'm going to be like Natalie about The Beatles, I hated the room

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so much, I almost can't talk about it. I thought those drawings were

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empty, lifeless, I don't know what it was about them. Because I found

:32:28.:32:33.

them so difficult to look at. I disliked them so much, I made

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myself go back and look at them again. I'm wondering if it is a

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very small fraction of the universe. He's the favourite to win, isn't

:32:41.:32:45.

he? I don't know if he's the favourite. Let's not deal with that.

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I thought this is a universe that I need to spend the rest of my life

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looking at, but I wasn't sure. Fowler and his work, looking at RD

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Laing, the kind of psychiatry he espoused and what was going on with

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RD Laing's fragile state. 45 years after The Magical Mystery Tour, is

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where certain sort of films should be in the mainstream. The fact that

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it has been shoved to concept actual art shows the difficulty

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people have with a non-linear exploration of a great mind. This

:33:18.:33:22.

is how a great mind should be explored in film. It is not my

:33:22.:33:27.

favourite of the exhibition, it is tremendous. I love Luke Fowler's

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subjects. I also love the idea that this is how you should really do a

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profile of a graert artist and mind and thinker. And -- A great artist

:33:37.:33:42.

and mind and thinker. Also the beautiful way of compiling the

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information in a way we are used to in our own life. It is 90 minutes

:33:46.:33:49.

long, you would have to say the exhibition will take four or five

:33:49.:33:53.

hours to see. It bears sitting through that film. It is a very

:33:53.:33:56.

moving exploration of human fragility and vulnerability, and

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mental health, which needs to be talked about. But my only problem

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with it, I would have happily gone to see it at the cinema, he didn't

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know why it was in an art gallery? The mainstream world has become so

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banal, this type of work that should be on television and cinema,

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has been shoved out to the fringes. Whoever commissions film in this

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country has allowed that to happen. Let's talk about this, for the

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first time the Turner Prize has a performance artist. Spartacus

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Chetwynd, there a bit of her work here, and she traced David

:34:34.:34:38.

Copperfield's wok over from Dover. She has always been a performance

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artist and looking back at history? I feel like Paul does about Luke

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Fowler, it is not my favourite piece or the one I would like to

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win. She is so happy and sin see, I find it improsable not to like her.

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-- sincere, I find it impossible not to like her. I like that it is

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handmade. She reminds me of everybody, most of all Josie Long,

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the handmade appliqueed nonsensicalness of it.

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With such since certificatity. not -- Since sert. It is not -- I

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would like to see it 25 minutes a week. I might be mitsing the larger

:35:26.:35:30.

universe, I have to say, having gone through -- missing the larger

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universe. I have to say having gone through a lot of things I loved at

:35:33.:35:38.

the Turner Prize, then I made a quick exit, it was like I'm going

:35:38.:35:45.

to punish you now. Let as talk about the Elizabeth Price that

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brings together ecclesiastical architecture, the shaing gri las,

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and a dreadful tragedy at Woolworths in Manchester. It is

:35:54.:35:57.

wonderful. It is hard to talk about it, it is 20 minutes long, it is

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one of the most original, eerie, strange, jep upsetting, beautiful

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elating things -- upsetting and beautiful and elate things. I

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watched it six times, I wish there was a way of buying it and having

:36:10.:36:14.

it to show on your wall. It is amazing. It is so heartening that

:36:14.:36:20.

you know there are artists out there diagnosing the contemporary

:36:20.:36:23.

circumstances, this absolutely does it. It is a revelation for the

:36:23.:36:28.

turner price that it transcends, it is slightly glimicy, classic award

:36:28.:36:34.

kind of thing -- gimmicky, classic award kind of thing. I hope she

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wins, I thought it was beautiful and harrowing, the opposite of the

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opening room, the Paul Noble room, where you go in and say this is

:36:41.:36:47.

what the grown-ups are doing. melds together different things,

:36:47.:36:52.

old pictures of architecture. woman's arm coming out of

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Woolworths where she can't get out. The moment when the film changes,

:36:57.:37:04.

it is the twist of the wrist and then the arm comes out. It shows

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you how banal On The Road is, when you look at these things. I know

:37:08.:37:12.

you have Elizabeth Price as the winner? Elizabeth Price. Elizabeth

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Price. I will be very upset if she doesn't win! We have hyped her now.

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The winner will be announced on 3rd of December, you can see all four

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shortlisted artists until January. 1962 was an auspicious day on

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Boxing Day, when Love Me Do was released, the start of another

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culture brand began. Dr No, the first James Bond film hit the

:37:39.:37:45.

cinemas, it is still going strong. In a few weeks Skyfall will be in

:37:45.:37:51.

the sin mals, with Daniel Craig in his third outing. James Bond Day.

:37:51.:37:59.

He has been in every Skype possible, glamorous galls and the odd qip and

:37:59.:38:05.

thrills and spills. What are you doing? Keeping the British end up.

:38:05.:38:08.

Our enduring fascination with the spy who loves us is half a century

:38:08.:38:17.

old, and it hasn't gone unnoticed. To coincide with his landmark

:38:17.:38:22.

birthday, the theme tune to the latest film, Skyfall by Adele, was

:38:22.:38:26.

released in the early hours of this morning. It is already topping the

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iTunes Chart. # This is the end

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Aityure-length documentary, the untold story of 007, Everything or

:38:37.:38:41.

Nothing, is also released today, unveiling the key players behind

:38:41.:38:46.

the bond movies, past and present. After his successful skydiving

:38:46.:38:51.

mission with the Queen at the Olympics, VisitBritain have

:38:51.:38:56.

launched their campaign with Bond as the poster boy. Seeing him as a

:38:56.:39:00.

British brand shaken not stirred. Some men are going to kill us, we

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are going to kill them first. Only a couple of minutes on this.

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Paul, what is your favourite Bond theme tune? Anything by Bassey, she

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should do them all. I was disappointed this time, I was

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hoping it to be Morrisey or Susan boil, Adele should have come down

:39:23.:39:30.

the line. Victoria pendle done could have given it a good --

:39:31.:39:37.

Pendleton could have given it a good go. What is your favourite

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Bond film? Anything with sharks. I love the pool with them dangling

:39:41.:39:46.

over the sharks. My favourite bit is the bit where they are on the

:39:46.:39:52.

train and you think it is all right, and the bed is flipped up so the

:39:52.:39:59.

girl is stuck there for the whole time he fights and then it comes

:39:59.:40:05.

down. Mine is Odd Job throwing the hat. Why is it such an enduring

:40:05.:40:10.

brand? Personally I think it is because Ian Fleming taps into

:40:10.:40:20.
:40:20.:40:20.

figures and myths we want all the time, the shadowy figures. The

:40:20.:40:27.

first-ever Bond villain has a pool of man-eating rays, when a slave

:40:27.:40:32.

boy drops one of his crystal glasses, he orders that the boy be

:40:32.:40:39.

thrown to the man-eating eels, and someone stops it happening.

:40:40.:40:43.

think it will continue through the centuries. We are talking about

:40:43.:40:47.

theme tunes, you have listened to the Adele, we have all listened to

:40:47.:40:52.

it, has it all the makings of a classic Bond theme? My rule is

:40:52.:40:58.

could this person thing Goldfinger karaoke at their aunt's wedding,

:40:58.:41:03.

Adele could do that, that makes her perfectly suitable. I only heard

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half of t it gave me a thrill feeling and made me want to see the

:41:07.:41:11.

film. As a musician, we are about to hear Mika singing his own song,

:41:11.:41:17.

if had you a chance to sing the Bond team what would you seen?

:41:17.:41:24.

Louis Armstrong, All The Time in the World. We will discuss the film

:41:24.:41:28.

in few weeks time. Thank you to all my guests. Next Friday we will have

:41:28.:41:35.

a run down of the six books competing for the Man Booker price.

:41:35.:41:40.

More music, including Bobby Womack on Later. Here to play us out, we

:41:40.:41:50.
:41:50.:41:51.

have Mika, with a track from his album, The Origin of Love.

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# From the air I breathe # To the love I need

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# Only thing I know # You're the origin of love

:41:58.:42:01.

# From the God above # To the one I love

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# Only then that's true # The origin is you

:42:05.:42:09.

# From the air I breathe # To the love I need

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# Only thing I know # You're the origin of love

:42:13.:42:16.

# From the God above # To the one I love

:42:16.:42:20.

# Only thing that's true # The origin is you

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# Love is a trap # And you are my secret

:42:25.:42:31.

# Love is addiction # And you are my nicorett

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# Love is like chocolate and cigarette

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# I'm feeling sick # I have to medicate myself

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# Like everything you fear # And hold dear

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# Everything you keep in your pocket

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# You are the sun and the light # You are the freedom I fight

:42:47.:42:56.

# Go will do nothing to stop it # The origin is you

:42:56.:43:06.
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# You're the origin of love # Love is a drawing

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# And you are my cigarette # Love is addiction

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# And you are my nicorette # Love is a drug like chocolate

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# And cigarettes # I'm feeling sick

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I have to medicate myself # What if God is a priest

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# And the devil and slug # Like every word you teach

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# Every rule you preach # You know the origin is you

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# The air I breathe # To the love I need

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# Only thing I know # You're the origin of love

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# From the God above # To the one I love

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# Only thing that's true # The origin is

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# Like stew bid Adam and Eve # They found a love in a tree

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# God didn't think they deserved it # He taught them hate and pride

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# Gave them a leaf and pushed them # Let's push the stories aside

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# The origin is you # To the air I breathe

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# You are the origin of love # To the God above

:44:18.:44:22.

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