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The review show is back on track for a colourful autumn of cultural | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
highlights. She made millions, and wowed millions of Muggles with | :00:21. | :00:28. | |
Harry Potter. Can she do the same for grown-up fiction? JK Rowling's | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
the casual casual. On The Road finally -- The Casual Vacancy. On | :00:34. | :00:41. | |
The Road finally makes it into the cinema. Is it true to the book. 50 | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
years since The Beatles relosed their first single, The Magical | :00:47. | :00:54. | |
Mystery Tour is up for grabs. And the Turner Prize. The return of | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
007. My name is Pussy Galore. review show celebrates James Bond | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
Day. I'm joined by critic and | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
broadcaster, Paul Morley, novelist Julie Myerson, and writer and | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
critic, Natalie Haynes, and Mika will be in the studio later. She | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
made her name with a boy called Harry, and a villain called | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
Voldemort, now JK Rowling attempts to cast a spell on the adult | :01:24. | :01:31. | |
audience, with Middle England. Cheek-by-jowl it is set in a run | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
down council estate. A million Muggles have pre-ordered the novel. | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
It is top of the book charts already. Set in the seemingly | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
idyllic fictional West Country village of Pagford. The Casual | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
Vacancy is a tale of local politics and poverty. It is a move from | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
fantasy to social realisim, which features adult themes such as | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
violence, rape and drug addiction. The "vacancy" of the title, is a | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
seat on the local parish council, where there is a long dispute | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
between fields and the local council estate, which has long been | :02:05. | :02:13. | |
seen as an unsavoury blight, by Pagford's middle-class majority. | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
"there was nothing, as far as Harry could see, to stop the Fielders | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
growing vegtables, or stop them pulling themselves together as a | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
community and tackling the dirt and the shabbyness. Nothing to stop | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
them cleaning themselves up and taking jobs, nothing at all. So | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
Howard was forced to draw the conclusion that they were | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
choosinging of their own free will to live the way they lived, and | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
that the estate's air of slightly threatening degradation, was | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
nothing more than a physical manifestation of ignorance and | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
indolence. Rowling says the book's characters reflect the snobbery and | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
pretensions she sees in Britain's middle-classes, and society's | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
treatment of the less fortune was something she witnessed in her | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
early years as a young single mother. Wefrpblgts talk about this | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
homogeneous faceless mass. With the best intentions of the world, one | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
of the first things to go is your individuality, you are seen so | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
differently. I think if you have been there, you never forget that | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
experience. Rowling claims she doesn't mind how sales figures | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
measure up to the Harry Potter series, which has sold almost half | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
a billion copies around the world. But will the citizens of Pagford | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
work the same magic on the British public, as Harry in Hogwarts. | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
Julie, you have a got family breakdown, alienation, troubled | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
teenagers, in a funny way, a lot of elements in Harry Potter, but | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
shape-shifted to the adult market. Did it work? I was very surprised | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
by this novel. On the one hand I think it comilts a lot of the | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
things that I think -- commits a lot of things that are fictions for | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
crime writing so, many adverbs, you could go through it with a red pen, | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
she tends to tell, not show. But I have to say I thought it was a | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
really good read. I thoroughly enjoyed it t I was moved, affected | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
and engaged. The last 200 pages really, I thought were really good | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
story telling. I think in some ways, the Dickensian element, some of the | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
tragedy there, I found it very moving. She did succeed. Did you | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
become immersed in Pagford? I felt a responsibility to read it, after | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
a few pages you think it will be a lot of effort. She is unbelievably | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
brilliant at something, that is a form of writing. She can describe | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
something so wonderful. You start to get into the idea of this is | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
interesting, this is how she managed to weave her spell with the | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
children's books, she is unbelievably brilliant at decribing | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
things. After you have read the 512 pages, at the end of it, it is | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
amazing how little there is in there for all that work. I give it | :04:51. | :04:58. | |
a lot of credit. I love the idea she has stopped the momentum of a | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
successful career to do it. She has earned it. It is the kind of book | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
without Harry Potter would have sold 200 copies. I applaud that. It | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
is oddly old fashioned, considering it is set in the Internet world. | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
is a campaigning novel, she speaks so passionately about her own | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
situation those years ago, clearly things have affected her very | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
deeply? It is very serious, it is a very serious, 70s, lefty-sort of | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
book. I would have liked it if they hadn't gone through all the | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
ridiculous pal lava with the PR, and they had withdrawn it a bit and | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
we had to find it. It withdraws what is going on. There is a quaint | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
worthiness about it. The PR campaign is slightly corrupted. | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
PR campaign, she could have done without it, I know a lot of big | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
novels are shrouded in secrecy now? They want to shift copies, they | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
have one million pre-orders, they won't take the high road, she may | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
not need the money, but the publishing house certainly wants it | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
and needs it. I agree, it would have been nicer to discover it | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
rather than having it thrust upon you. Wake up one morning and there | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
it is, magically appearing at the bottom of your bed. Like a letter | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
from hog wart. I wanted to like it very much. I like her hugely as a | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
writer, I like her hugely as a human being. She seems to decent. | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
In the -- seems so decent. The last 200 pages were good, the first 300 | :06:29. | :06:37. | |
were in need of an edit. Because of the tonal lurch, it is a comedy of | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
manners, look how hilarious the middle-classes are for the first | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
300 pages. Then it is a terrible tragedy. I can't be moved by these | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
people's awfulness, because we have been laughing at them for 400 pages. | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
It seems to me, she just has a fantastic affinity with teenagers. | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
They are by far the best people in it. In a weird way, two of the | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
teenage characters, Fats and obviously Crystal, who are actually | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
the kind of beating heart of this novel. In a sense, you felt that | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
maybe she wanted to do that, but it wouldn't be seen as an adult book. | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
If she had centered on them? would have been a better book. | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
don't agree, one of the strengths is the huge cast of characters. I | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
found the first 200 pages hard, because she's giving us a lot of | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
people to keep up with. I think the novel is so well observed, that is | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
what won me over. There was not a single detail I thought, no, that | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
wouldn't happen. The teenage thing, you kind of think this is like | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
Krystal, surely that is Tulisa, I think I won't question it because | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
she seems to know what she's doing it, that "I ain't done nothing | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
wrong", then you think you won't question it, I think she knows what | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
she is doing. I wasn't ready for that. I think the funny thing is as | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
well, when you hear her reading passages, that has strong languages, | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
you think of all the kids with their children listening to it. | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
says life is about trying to get a fuck and trying not to die. | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
think JK Rowling said that! It is about sex and death. It is about | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
difficult, and hard things, drug addiction and rape. She is very | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
convincing about that. She has taken it seriously, I was very | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
suspicion of, the idea that -- suspicious of, that if you were | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
reading Harry Potter you would go on to read literature, and it might | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
be that it is. It is a serious book, that if someone moves on from | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
reading Harry Potter as a ten-year- old, they would go to this and look | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
at serious issues. My children did do that, I don't think they are | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
ready for this, it is a book for older people. A lot of people who | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
started with Harry Potter at 12 will now be adult. All those | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
million pre-orders, because we didn't know much about the book, do | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
you think it is hopeful parents thinking it will be a young adult | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
book? No, because of the publicity. Because of the PR campaign everyone | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
knows there will be swearing and drugs and sex and rape, and all | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
things you don't want your children to read about. She gave a good | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
quote saying she hasn't represented herself as the child's teacher or | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
babysitter. She wrote good books, that doesn't make her the thing of | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
children. She is allowed to move. think the million people buying the | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
book are wanting to be educated by JK Rowling on how to write book. I | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
get that feeling, those first people want to know how does she do | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
T there is an element, in a middle brow way, that she does something | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
magical, there is an illusion about her. I don't want to criticise t if | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
she could lose the thing, she will give you a scene, and sum it up | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
with one line, and then prequels things, saying "guess what happens | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
next". What do you think it will do for her reputation. With Harry | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
Potter she has moved on, maybe she will write fiction for children and | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
adults again. Harry Potter was also for adults. Do you think this is | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
her saying I'm out there now, I have changed, I'm moving on to a | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
different kind of writer? It has that passion. It has the passion of | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
someone writing what they wanted to write. It shows nudges she could | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
move into the literary world, she could pull it off. The Casual | :10:28. | :10:36. | |
Vacancy by JK Rowlingcy -- is available now. | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
Many thought On The Road was unadaptable for the screen. Walter | :10:40. | :10:47. | |
Salles, perhaps buoyed by his 2004 success, the Motorcycle Diaries, | :10:47. | :10:55. | |
has taken on the challenge. After its publication, it was labelled as | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
an anti-establishment piece of literature, bringing the arrival of | :10:58. | :11:05. | |
the Beat Generation. Largely based on Jack Keroac's experiences of | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
travelling across America. It charts their collision with a post- | :11:09. | :11:19. | |
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war America. To living and to life. Sal Paradise, | :11:20. | :11:28. | |
Keroac's vision of himself, played by Sam Riley, embarks on a journey | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
with anti-hero, Dean Moriarty. day before my father died, he took | :11:32. | :11:40. | |
hold of my hand, and he looked at it, and he said, "you got no | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
callouss Sal, that's because you don't do any real fucking work, | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
boy". Fuelled by jazz, poetry and drugs, they embark on a road trip, | :11:50. | :12:00. | |
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with Kirsten Stewart's Marylou. Can't you wait until Frisco. | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
don't care. Dean's going to leave me any way. But how do the leads | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
convince as the pioneers of the Beat Generation? And 60 years on, | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
does the film lend a new interpretation to this classic tale. | :12:17. | :12:27. | |
I just had a great idea. You guys are gonna love it. Do you think | :12:27. | :12:33. | |
Salles nails the spirit of the book? I don't think he does, but | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
I'm not sorry, I always hated those boys who read the book, and said | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
they were free spirits, no they were a tit. It has always irritated | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
me, I wasn't looking forward to the film. I was kind of dreading it, | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
but I kind of liked it. I think those two boys are terrifically | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
booed, Garrett Hedlund, especially, as Dean Moriarty, is super- | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
charismatic, doing that Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louis, turning up, | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
saying I'm enormously handsome, and will be around for a while, as you | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
were. He absolutely has the capacity to come in at the end and | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
remind you that character is super charismatic and also fragile. | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
Dangerous and fragile. Did you love the book as a | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
teenager? Yes, it was biblical properties, and what I imagine and | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
remember of it is not what the film is. This film is respectful to the | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
text itself. That is what you yes or no for from a film version of | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
this, is not that at all, but something that gets into the spirit | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
of it. It is an American ideal of what a teenager would be, viewed | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
from the perspective of a teenager looking back now and looking back. | :13:47. | :13:53. | |
It is too decorative and loyal. is like a Leviad? It is a | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
commercial for a weird idea of a teenager. It is nothing to do with | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
the book at all. What you would really want from a film version is | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
something so experimental and adventurous, it doesn't go anywhere | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
near, being slavist to the text and we don't have Keroac sat in front | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
of a typewriter with a bit of paper, wondering what to write next. | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
agree, it is an irritating thing with a film that thinks it is cool, | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
and the actors are flawed by it, thinking they were in a very cool | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
film. It was irritating. It is years since I read the book. But it | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
suffers from the fact that there is no drama. Because nobody ever does | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
anything that has any consequences. It is a fatal lack of come up pence | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
for anyone. Not that, Sal and the girl, Marylou finally get to sleep | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
together, he has been wanting that for ages, in a morning she leaves a | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
note saying goodbye and that's it. He has dysentery in Mexico? And the | :14:53. | :15:01. | |
next shot he's fine. That stopped me feeling bad, he made a brilliant | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
film about the road, and not this. That is why people thought he would | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
be the one to make this film. only way to do it is to do | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
something experimental. It is about finding freedom at the time, now it | :15:15. | :15:22. | |
is so far removed, if you put a bunch of sudden dough teenagers for | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
now, it is like a commercial. It is difficult to get to be a teenager | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
in 1940s, and now, now you are liberated by the experimental work | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
done in the late 1940s, if you are going to be genuinely faithful to | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
the book, you are not faithful to the text. They did a lot of work, | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
all the actors, all this improvisation with Salles. Your | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
heart sinks as soon as you hear that. You can see there is a big | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
music scene, a big jazz scene, where you think we are all thinking | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
we are juing actors having a lot of fun. -- young actor having a lot of | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
fun? It is not how they would dance now and not then. They were dancing | :16:03. | :16:13. | |
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like it was a rave? That Kirsten Stewart scene, it is very modern, | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
isn't it? It is the most exciting performance she has given in | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
anything. She was modern in it. She seemed like someone from now. She | :16:23. | :16:31. | |
has meernd face. There was a lot of wasted actors in there. You go from | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
Steve Buschemi, and Amy Adams, he jumps about through generations and | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
actors. You have Kirsten Dunst and you | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
wanted her to turn around and do something, because we are modern, | :16:45. | :16:51. | |
but she was sat upon. I thought she was the most dramatic of characters. | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
It is like women putting up with this for 20 years, and then it was | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
like which bit of free a liberation means you get to treat everyone | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
terribly. That was one of the pieces that seems real in terms of | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
the 40s, girls did just go, that is just free spirity, and sat there. | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
Her performance was the best in the film. The scenes she was in came to | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
life, I cared about them. Even if there was no consequence, you felt | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
there might be one. She plays, that is the way Keroac wrote her, as an | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
intelligent woman, that Neil Cassidy was giving a really hard | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
time to, in the book as I remember it. I thought also, the way they | :17:28. | :17:35. | |
treated, you were meant to know this was Ginsberg and Burroughs? | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
Viggo Mortensen does that, almost corny set piece, a corny idea of | :17:41. | :17:49. | |
what life with William S Burroughs would be and Ginsberg. Almost pop | :17:49. | :17:57. | |
videos, insip pid and let tharpblgic. The men are all -- Ince | :17:57. | :18:07. | |
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sip pid andlet thatic. -- Inspipid and lethargic. | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
thought the best way is to start at the end, and end with them at the | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
beginning, all young and fresh. That would have been moving. As it | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
is we didn't care. There was no journey, for a book called On The | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
Road. To begin the film with a conversation like this, but how it | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
is impossible to film and then do it. Do it with bravado. The Keroac | :18:28. | :18:36. | |
observation character, Sal, he was an incredible insipid character. | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
fundamental error, a series of so obvious fundamental errors that you | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
cannot believe it eventually got made. However long it is, it is | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
that long, too long. We talked about it being a bit of a | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
commercial the way it was shot. Is it did look, I thought, terrific? | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
They cut 20 minutes out of it since it showed at Cannes. They knew it | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
was too long, they were right. still have a way to go. It would be | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
a great three-minute edit. Do you think people will return to Keroac | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
because of it? I wouldn't have thought so. On The Road drives into | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
cinemas next Friday. It was 50 years ago today that The Beatles | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
relosed their first single, Love Me Do, pop music changed forever, it | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
wasn't until five years later that they made a film to capture their | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
own creative explosion, and the next chapter for Keroac's Beat | :19:26. | :19:33. | |
Generation. The Magical Mystery Tour screened on Boxing Day in 1957 | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
tuned in, and the BBC was inundated with complaints. Tomorrow the BBC | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
will show the film, and we look back at the making of The Magical | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
Mystery Tour. When The Magical Mystery Tour was | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
broadcast on Boxing Day in 1967, nestled in the BBC One schedule | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
between Petula Clarke and the Norman Wisdom movie, it caused a | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
sensation. Listen, this film. us something about the storyline? | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
It is about a group of commoner garden strange people, on a coach | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
tour, around anywhere, really. Things happen to them, you see. | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
think the younger people would get t people who knew it was going on, | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
in society. They would get it, and the older people, who were | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
expecting mother came and Wise or the British -- Morcame and Wise, or | :20:30. | :20:37. | |
the Royal Variety Show, would feel annoyed, and been cheated out of | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
their Christmas Special. Speaking to those involved, Arena looks back | :20:42. | :20:49. | |
on the impact of the movie, and the contribution to the cultural | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
change? I was 15-year-old, and we sat and watched it right the way | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
through in silence. Afterwards we looked at each other and said, what | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
was that all about? When a man buys a ticket for a | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
Magical Mystery Tour, he knows what what to expect. We guarantee him | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
the trip of a lifetime. And that's just what he gets. The incredible | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
Magical Mystery Tour. So how significant was The Magical Mystery | :21:16. | :21:22. | |
Tour to the rise of counter culture, and how successfully does this film | :21:22. | :21:31. | |
examine that particular moment in time. Two things here, we have the | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
documentary about The Magical Mystery Tour, the making of t and | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
the movie. First of all, on the documentary, did it show Paul | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
McCartney and Ringo Starr in a different light, the conversation | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
they were having? Paul McCartney is claiming to be the avant garde part | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
of the group, we don't think of him like that, he has gone out of his | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
way that it was him jamming in the 60s with the avant garde band in | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
front of eight people, and it was him that pushed the idea. Ringo | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
hasn't taken any responsibility for the movie, that is pure Ringo. I | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
love it so much, now it makes sense in the historical context, the | :22:12. | :22:20. | |
jamming together in the 1970s that The Beatles epitomised, and the | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
things. 1960s? What did I say, 1970s. Sorry, I have taken | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
something. The merging together of psyche Dell ka, it was interesting | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
variety with European avant garde, it is the merging of ...That Whole | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
thing about Paul McCartney and the avant garde, the former editor of | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
the International Times, talking about the amazing thing at Crystal | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
Palace where they did the benefit. That is modern his treatment it is | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
fantastic to see that? We are shifting from lived memory, living | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
through it, to recorded memory. I have spent 30 years ducking The | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
Beatles, because it gets in the way of radical movement. It is like a | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
distorted autobiography of four young kids from Liverpool, having | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
the time of their lives for four years, and they were in a right | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
state, and you see right inside. They earned the right to do | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
whatever they wanted, nobody could tell them what they should wear and | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
sing and they earned creative freedom, and God, they had it. | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
you look at the movie you see later Python stuff? I don't know if I did. | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
I don't know that stuff well enough. It is a funny film. If you want to | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
talk about the documentary, I thought that was a thin documentary, | :23:34. | :23:41. | |
but shed an interesting light on the film, I which had already | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
watched that first. When I first watched the film I thought it was | :23:44. | :23:52. | |
padded and dreadful in places, apart from when they played. The | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
red nosed wizards in the caves? It was really bad. When I watched the | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
documentary, there is an innocence to it, it is four lads using their | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
imagination. It couldn't happen today and that is sad. The story of | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
everyone watching it on Boxing Day and being so furious, is very funny. | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
Natalie, we have to take it you have a pathological dislike of the | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
Beatles. Let's just. I hated them my whole life, I hate them though | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
my parents and my boyfriend like T I hate them so much I think the | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
rest of you are tricking me by tree tending to think they are good -- | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
pretending to think they are good. That is a given, let's look at the | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
set pieces, not even the set pieces for you were quite engaging to | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
watch? No they were lamentable. You look back and think why were people | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
so dull to think their drug experiences were inspiration for | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
the rest of us. People of the 1970s were wise. Walter Salles is looking | :24:47. | :24:53. | |
back and thinking he's doing it for Keroac? In fact Ringo and Paul | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
should have made On The Road. This is On The Road. Can you imagine. | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
Ringo Starr talking about taking his camera with him. That was the | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
age of small cameras. They had technology for the first time. | :25:06. | :25:13. | |
McCartney doing home movies, he was 25, why not? What he says about the | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
slicing of the eyeball leading to Psycho, every second of the | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
original film leads to pop video. The imagery, the way of presenting | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
pop music through visuals, it is the source of all video in the | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
1980s. I wouldn't miss video if it never existed for pop songs ever. | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
Nobody I like has produced pop videos, I couldn't care less about | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
everything The Beatles have done, has an impact in a world I haven't | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
got an interest in. Everything you wouldn't like would not be here | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
without The Beatles. It would be fine without them. I'm not as bad | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
as you! But I don't love The Beatles, I never got them. This | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
film is fascinated as a piece of archive. Also, I thought the | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
funnyiest thing in the documentary is Martin Scorsese is so influenced | :26:02. | :26:08. | |
by it! There might have been revisionist there? Paul Gambacini | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
is bewildered, floundering to explain what is going on. The idea | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
that you had a pop group that was the most commercial pop group of | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
the time, embracing the experimental, and the avant garde, | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
in way we yes or no to happen now. It is so ex-- we yaeorn to happen | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
now, it is so exciting. All the things you love in popular culture, | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
from Batman to Dick van Dyke, would not have happened without these | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
people opening up. What is the most recent film. At that time you were | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
having all the kind of, you know, before that, the Cliff Richard | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
summer holidays, and all, that the inheritors of that is Spice World. | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
Who is doing that now? 45 years later you looking at On The Road, | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
it is not 45 years after that film, and it should be. What we are going | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
next to the Turner Prize, is what we should be, it should be 45 years | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
after The Magical Mystery Tour. Were weren't there more of their | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
songs in it. When they were performing their songs in it, it | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
was brilliant, there were only four or five. Your mother should know. | :27:12. | :27:19. | |
It is fantastic at the end, the set piece at the end. There was a tonal | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
world, in four years after Love Me Do, that urban harmonica that | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
begins Love Me Do, that completely cuts open popular culture. I'm not | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
a Beatles fan, four years later they are here and the sound is | :27:34. | :27:41. | |
extraordinary. It is amazing. have to say they can't act. | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
with Kirsty it is Monty python. go finally someone else has in | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
theed. We have to agree to -- Notice Noticed. We have to agree to | :27:50. | :27:59. | |
disagree. Unseen footage at the Beatles is at | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
space.org. Who knows if The Magical Mystery Tour had been around for | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
the Turner Prize, it might have been a contender. Artists who revel | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
in detail and others are shortlisted for the prize. Going by | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
the postcards pinned on the wall of Tate Britain as visitors leave, | :28:14. | :28:20. | |
passions are running high. Paul Noble's intricate pencil designs | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
are part of a larger body of work that has consumed the artist for | :28:25. | :28:35. | |
decades. Newton's is an urban Metropilis and dystopian dream. | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
Palaces, rain drops and pebbles, and even feeies, are rendered in | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
pencil drawings and marble sculpture. | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
When the city chambers were built, a quarter of the city of gas glow | :28:51. | :28:58. | |
lived in tenement blocks, like this, this is one of the finest examples. | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
Glaswegian artist, Luke Fowler, explores the life of controversial | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
psychiatrists RD Laing, a 90-minute video collage, including archive, | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
specially shot sequences and testimony. Laing confronted the | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
medical profession with new ways of healing and treating the mentally | :29:17. | :29:24. | |
ill, they ran contrary to popular medical culture. He explores | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
Laing's fragile mental state and holding up a mirror for our own. | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
The Woolworths Choir of 1979 by Elizabeth Price unites disjointed | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
ideas under a common binding aesthetic, which shows how divided | :29:39. | :29:46. | |
subject matters can be united by art. Ecclesiastical architecture, | :29:46. | :29:52. | |
pop music, and a fatal fire in Woolworths in 1979, is combined | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
with arresting graphics and a powerful landscape. This year the | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
Turner Prize has nominated a performance artist for the first | :30:02. | :30:11. | |
time in history. Spartacus Chetwynd invites gallery goers to interact | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
with dancers, with a papier mash chet structure to look into the | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
future, and puppets that look at the Bible story between Jesus and | :30:20. | :30:27. | |
bar rab bus. It has polarised critical opinion, who from this | :30:27. | :30:37. | |
:30:37. | :30:37. | ||
challenging quartet stands out. The Tate judges don't look at one | :30:37. | :30:42. | |
piece of work, it is a whole body of work for the contention of the | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
Turner Prize. Somebody who has a body of work here is Noble. It | :30:48. | :30:57. | |
disPopeian vision of Knobs and Newton? It is my least favourite, | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
it is not that I don't think he can draw, but I can never shake the | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
belief as I went around perfectly and neatly rendered shit, that the | :31:08. | :31:16. | |
whole thing has been put on by Vizf they thought let's satirise the | :31:16. | :31:22. | |
whole thing with drawings and things made of shit. I can't | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
believe no-one jumped out and I think well done Viz you, you got me | :31:28. | :31:33. | |
again. I note at no point does it mention in the skrigs of his work | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
in the catalogue that is the majority of what he has drawn or | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
skutped, you think it is not there, that is most of what you have done, | :31:41. | :31:47. | |
let's pretend it is not there. Like the description of what he was | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
about to do, before I had actually seen it, much more than seeing it. | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
I thought that's going to be interesting until I saw it, I | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
didn't fall for the maps he was drawing and what was happening. | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
spent decades drawing this thing. If you think about other artists | :32:01. | :32:09. | |
who have done brilliant intricate work, like Michael Landy doing | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
Weeds, beautiful in the humanity of it. I couldn't find the heart of | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
it? I'm going to be like Natalie about The Beatles, I hated the room | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
so much, I almost can't talk about it. I thought those drawings were | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
empty, lifeless, I don't know what it was about them. Because I found | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
them so difficult to look at. I disliked them so much, I made | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
myself go back and look at them again. I'm wondering if it is a | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
very small fraction of the universe. He's the favourite to win, isn't | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
he? I don't know if he's the favourite. Let's not deal with that. | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
I thought this is a universe that I need to spend the rest of my life | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
looking at, but I wasn't sure. Fowler and his work, looking at RD | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
Laing, the kind of psychiatry he espoused and what was going on with | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
RD Laing's fragile state. 45 years after The Magical Mystery Tour, is | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
where certain sort of films should be in the mainstream. The fact that | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
it has been shoved to concept actual art shows the difficulty | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
people have with a non-linear exploration of a great mind. This | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
is how a great mind should be explored in film. It is not my | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
favourite of the exhibition, it is tremendous. I love Luke Fowler's | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
subjects. I also love the idea that this is how you should really do a | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
profile of a graert artist and mind and thinker. And -- A great artist | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
and mind and thinker. Also the beautiful way of compiling the | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
information in a way we are used to in our own life. It is 90 minutes | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
long, you would have to say the exhibition will take four or five | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
hours to see. It bears sitting through that film. It is a very | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
moving exploration of human fragility and vulnerability, and | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
mental health, which needs to be talked about. But my only problem | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
with it, I would have happily gone to see it at the cinema, he didn't | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
know why it was in an art gallery? The mainstream world has become so | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
banal, this type of work that should be on television and cinema, | :34:13. | :34:19. | |
has been shoved out to the fringes. Whoever commissions film in this | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
country has allowed that to happen. Let's talk about this, for the | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
first time the Turner Prize has a performance artist. Spartacus | :34:27. | :34:34. | |
Chetwynd, there a bit of her work here, and she traced David | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
Copperfield's wok over from Dover. She has always been a performance | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
artist and looking back at history? I feel like Paul does about Luke | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
Fowler, it is not my favourite piece or the one I would like to | :34:47. | :34:54. | |
win. She is so happy and sin see, I find it improsable not to like her. | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
-- sincere, I find it impossible not to like her. I like that it is | :34:58. | :35:05. | |
handmade. She reminds me of everybody, most of all Josie Long, | :35:05. | :35:12. | |
the handmade appliqueed nonsensicalness of it. | :35:12. | :35:22. | |
With such since certificatity. not -- Since sert. It is not -- I | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
would like to see it 25 minutes a week. I might be mitsing the larger | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
universe, I have to say, having gone through -- missing the larger | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
universe. I have to say having gone through a lot of things I loved at | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
the Turner Prize, then I made a quick exit, it was like I'm going | :35:38. | :35:45. | |
to punish you now. Let as talk about the Elizabeth Price that | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
brings together ecclesiastical architecture, the shaing gri las, | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
and a dreadful tragedy at Woolworths in Manchester. It is | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
wonderful. It is hard to talk about it, it is 20 minutes long, it is | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
one of the most original, eerie, strange, jep upsetting, beautiful | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
elating things -- upsetting and beautiful and elate things. I | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
watched it six times, I wish there was a way of buying it and having | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
it to show on your wall. It is amazing. It is so heartening that | :36:14. | :36:20. | |
you know there are artists out there diagnosing the contemporary | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
circumstances, this absolutely does it. It is a revelation for the | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
turner price that it transcends, it is slightly glimicy, classic award | :36:28. | :36:34. | |
kind of thing -- gimmicky, classic award kind of thing. I hope she | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
wins, I thought it was beautiful and harrowing, the opposite of the | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
opening room, the Paul Noble room, where you go in and say this is | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
what the grown-ups are doing. melds together different things, | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
old pictures of architecture. woman's arm coming out of | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
Woolworths where she can't get out. The moment when the film changes, | :36:57. | :37:04. | |
it is the twist of the wrist and then the arm comes out. It shows | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
you how banal On The Road is, when you look at these things. I know | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
you have Elizabeth Price as the winner? Elizabeth Price. Elizabeth | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
Price. I will be very upset if she doesn't win! We have hyped her now. | :37:17. | :37:23. | |
The winner will be announced on 3rd of December, you can see all four | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
shortlisted artists until January. 1962 was an auspicious day on | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
Boxing Day, when Love Me Do was released, the start of another | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
culture brand began. Dr No, the first James Bond film hit the | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
cinemas, it is still going strong. In a few weeks Skyfall will be in | :37:45. | :37:51. | |
the sin mals, with Daniel Craig in his third outing. James Bond Day. | :37:51. | :37:59. | |
He has been in every Skype possible, glamorous galls and the odd qip and | :37:59. | :38:05. | |
thrills and spills. What are you doing? Keeping the British end up. | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
Our enduring fascination with the spy who loves us is half a century | :38:08. | :38:17. | |
old, and it hasn't gone unnoticed. To coincide with his landmark | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
birthday, the theme tune to the latest film, Skyfall by Adele, was | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
released in the early hours of this morning. It is already topping the | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
iTunes Chart. # This is the end | :38:31. | :38:37. | |
Aityure-length documentary, the untold story of 007, Everything or | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
Nothing, is also released today, unveiling the key players behind | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
the bond movies, past and present. After his successful skydiving | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
mission with the Queen at the Olympics, VisitBritain have | :38:51. | :38:56. | |
launched their campaign with Bond as the poster boy. Seeing him as a | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
British brand shaken not stirred. Some men are going to kill us, we | :39:00. | :39:09. | |
are going to kill them first. Only a couple of minutes on this. | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
Paul, what is your favourite Bond theme tune? Anything by Bassey, she | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
should do them all. I was disappointed this time, I was | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
hoping it to be Morrisey or Susan boil, Adele should have come down | :39:23. | :39:30. | |
the line. Victoria pendle done could have given it a good -- | :39:31. | :39:37. | |
Pendleton could have given it a good go. What is your favourite | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
Bond film? Anything with sharks. I love the pool with them dangling | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
over the sharks. My favourite bit is the bit where they are on the | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
train and you think it is all right, and the bed is flipped up so the | :39:52. | :39:59. | |
girl is stuck there for the whole time he fights and then it comes | :39:59. | :40:05. | |
down. Mine is Odd Job throwing the hat. Why is it such an enduring | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
brand? Personally I think it is because Ian Fleming taps into | :40:10. | :40:20. | |
:40:20. | :40:20. | ||
figures and myths we want all the time, the shadowy figures. The | :40:20. | :40:27. | |
first-ever Bond villain has a pool of man-eating rays, when a slave | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
boy drops one of his crystal glasses, he orders that the boy be | :40:32. | :40:39. | |
thrown to the man-eating eels, and someone stops it happening. | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
think it will continue through the centuries. We are talking about | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
theme tunes, you have listened to the Adele, we have all listened to | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
it, has it all the makings of a classic Bond theme? My rule is | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
could this person thing Goldfinger karaoke at their aunt's wedding, | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
Adele could do that, that makes her perfectly suitable. I only heard | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
half of t it gave me a thrill feeling and made me want to see the | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
film. As a musician, we are about to hear Mika singing his own song, | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
if had you a chance to sing the Bond team what would you seen? | :41:17. | :41:24. | |
Louis Armstrong, All The Time in the World. We will discuss the film | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
in few weeks time. Thank you to all my guests. Next Friday we will have | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
a run down of the six books competing for the Man Booker price. | :41:35. | :41:40. | |
More music, including Bobby Womack on Later. Here to play us out, we | :41:40. | :41:50. | |
:41:50. | :41:51. | ||
have Mika, with a track from his album, The Origin of Love. | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
# From the air I breathe # To the love I need | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
# Only thing I know # You're the origin of love | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
# From the God above # To the one I love | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
# Only then that's true # The origin is you | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
# From the air I breathe # To the love I need | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
# Only thing I know # You're the origin of love | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
# From the God above # To the one I love | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
# Only thing that's true # The origin is you | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
# Love is a trap # And you are my secret | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
# Love is addiction # And you are my nicorett | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
# Love is like chocolate and cigarette | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
# I'm feeling sick # I have to medicate myself | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
# Like everything you fear # And hold dear | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
# Everything you keep in your pocket | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
# You are the sun and the light # You are the freedom I fight | :42:47. | :42:56. | |
# Go will do nothing to stop it # The origin is you | :42:56. | :43:06. | |
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# You're the origin of love # Love is a drawing | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
# And you are my cigarette # Love is addiction | :43:11. | :43:18. | |
# And you are my nicorette # Love is a drug like chocolate | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
# And cigarettes # I'm feeling sick | :43:23. | :43:29. | |
I have to medicate myself # What if God is a priest | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
# And the devil and slug # Like every word you teach | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
# Every rule you preach # You know the origin is you | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
# The air I breathe # To the love I need | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
# Only thing I know # You're the origin of love | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
# From the God above # To the one I love | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
# Only thing that's true # The origin is | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
# Like stew bid Adam and Eve # They found a love in a tree | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
# God didn't think they deserved it # He taught them hate and pride | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
# Gave them a leaf and pushed them # Let's push the stories aside | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
# The origin is you # To the air I breathe | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
# You are the origin of love # To the God above | :44:18. | :44:22. |