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Tonight on the review show, the world but not as we all know it. | :00:09. | :00:19. | |
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Spiritual, venal, surreal and Terrence Malick's personal, | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
emotional Palme d'Or winning, The Tree Of Life, will it capture a new | :00:26. | :00:34. | |
audience. Some day we will fall down and weep. Sam Mendes and Kevin | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
spacey together again n a modern setting of Richard III, is there | :00:39. | :00:48. | |
sympathy for this devil? Hats, pipes and trains, is the | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
Magritte exhibition at Liverpool suitably surreal. Love, loss and | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
libido in the devastation of war in the adaptation of Sarah Waters's | :00:56. | :01:05. | |
novel, The Night Watch. I think it is easy to be brave in war time. | :01:05. | :01:15. | |
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Plus, folk rock taub dor - Troubadour performing. | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
Joining me to chew over the cultural week are Sarah Churchwell, | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
writer and broadcaster, Paul Morley, comedian and writer, Natalie Haynes, | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
and last but not least, film historian, Matthew Sweet. And as | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
ever, we look forward to hearing from your tweets too. | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
In a movie career spanning four decades, reclusive author, Terrence | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
Malick, has directed five films, beginning with the ground-breaking | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
Badlands in 1973, we propelled Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek to | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
stardom. His latest people, The Tree Of Life was releeld to the | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
Cannes Film Festival to standing ovations and a few boos, and walked | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
off with the Palme d'Or prize. Has it been worth the wait for this | :02:06. | :02:13. | |
highly anticipated movie. Some day we will fall down and weep. We | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
won't understand at all. We will understand all things. Starring | :02:18. | :02:25. | |
Brad Pitt, Jessica Chastain and Sean Penn, The Tree Of Life looks | :02:25. | :02:31. | |
into human existence, through the film lens of a 1950s family, | :02:31. | :02:37. | |
focusing on Jack, the eldest of three brothers. | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
Amidst the golden glow of endless summer, we follow Jack's journaly | :02:41. | :02:48. | |
through childhood innocence, witnessed in a series of stylised | :02:48. | :02:56. | |
shots, his angelic bond with his loving mother, but a more complex | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
relationship with his disciplinarian father. What are you | :02:59. | :03:08. | |
doing son. The adult Jack is played by Sean | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
Penn, a disillusioned man, cast adrift amongst the steel and glass | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
of the modern world, looking back on the lessons of his childhood. | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
Father, mother, always you wrestle inside me. Although framed by the | :03:23. | :03:29. | |
death of one of Jack's younger brothers, the film has an | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
impressionistic, non-linear narrative that operates on an ind | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
mit and panoramic scale, exploring metaphysical questions of life and | :03:39. | :03:46. | |
death. With dramatic scenes on the origin of the planet and the huge | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
Cosmos. Malick also employs his characteristic signatures of | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
imagery, sweeping music score and internal monolougue. Unless you | :03:55. | :04:03. | |
love, your life will flash by. such immense themes, big questions | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
and painter's canvas, has he created a film that will appeal | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
broader than his loyal and patient fan base. Lots of patience, because | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
it was ready in 2008, it is six years since his last film, one | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
senses Malick has been thinking about this since he was a little | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
boy. I have a lot of time for Terrence Malick, you need to, | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
because the films are so long and the gaps between them are so huge. | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
All the other films are masterpiece, I wauted for this one to overwhelm | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
- I waited for this one to overwhelm me, it didn't happen. | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
Despite the beautiful images there are vulgar things in it, the CGI | :04:45. | :04:51. | |
dinosaurs down the river. Is it creationism? It is a religious film | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
too, this is where some of the vulgarity comes from. We get this | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
image of the afterlife that looks like something from the Halifax | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
advert. Sean Penn wandering around on the beach with families being | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
reunited. Or something from the cover of a Christian self-help book. | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
Do you really have to have something that's cut and dried. | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
Terrence Malick's films aren't cut and dried, there is room for lots | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
of interpretation in this, you don't have to have a big storyline? | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
There is room for lots of interpretation, read the reviews. | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
Some people think he's an architect and engineer, Sean Penn, some think | :05:32. | :05:40. | |
he's the darker and light child. Whose bedroom is he in when he goes | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
through the underwear drawer, you have to pay attention. That is no | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
bad thing? That is the thing for me, it looks beautiful, it is a sign of | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
my vulgarity, this is what I like, a story, a really good story, and | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
the kind of punch of the story is taken away, we see at the very | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
beginning, not just the little boy dying, but that information comes | :05:58. | :06:08. | |
via a telegram, you go OK, so he's away from home when he dies. You | :06:08. | :06:17. | |
have this incredibly Spence-filled family dynamic. It are too hard | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
work? We are going to say this film is a difficult thing to watch and | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
throw out a good bit of thinking. I would rather watch this than | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
Transformers, when I came out of the film tonight and people going | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
in for the other showing. The film ended in stunned silence, it is | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
either good or bad, but it is something. I wanted to say to | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
people outside, I didn't know if I wanted to say don't go in or go in. | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
I couldn't make my mind up. Whether it would be something very exciting | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
or not. That is maybe dialogue Terrence Malick might think of at | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
10.00 in the morning! It is like a series of high-level home movies, | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
some happen to be at the beginning of time and the big bang. I'm not | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
sure if we are being fair, it is a movie that does. That it is two | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
different movies stitched together, one of the movies is fanttationia, | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
it is the - Fantasia, it is the origins of man through the | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
dinosaurs, joined with the story of a coming of age, a very familiar | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
intimate small story about coming of age with a young man. With an | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
extraordinary performance by the boy who plays Jack. By all the | :07:33. | :07:43. | |
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children. And Brad Pitt giving a very fine performance. It was to be | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
Heath Ledger, and Brad Pitt to produce: the beauty of it, we can't | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
gloss over, that it is spectacularly beautiful. The music | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
is spectacular but also very over the top. I think another of his | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
missteps is the music. For something that is meant to be | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
something like Kubrick, his timing with the use of music is slipshod, | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
I don't think he does it well. is a very, very fragile film. It is | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
a film that is really affected by the context in which you watch it. | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
At the press screening there was an air of difference silence, people | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
were afraid to swallow their crisps too loudly to disrush those around | :08:23. | :08:30. | |
him. I saw it in a public - disrupt those around him. I saw it in a | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
public screening in Paris and people were laughing at it. Hunter | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
as the older boy, the children hadn't acted before, Terrence | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
Malick dealt with them in a very interesting way, he told them very | :08:43. | :08:49. | |
little about what will happen. These are young kids. What they | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
delivered was something quite mesmeric. He has coaxed something | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
very wonderful out of them. whole idea that the basis of this | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
film has something important at the centre. The internal monolougue of | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
the wife saying is it about grace and nature. She's about grace and | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
the husband about nature. problem with the film, ultimately, | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
I felt as if I had assigned to an undergraduate to ask them to | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
interpret a coming of age story set in Texas. They would have said in | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
order to do this I must go back to the big bang, go through images of | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
women and look at religion, I would say, you can, but you don't have to, | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
it doesn't add too much. We have all done it, I'm reminded of | :09:36. | :09:43. | |
Charley cough man's adaptation, you go dr Kaufman's adaptation, and you | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
go further back and further back and further back. To God. | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
I felt that he was very much, I couldn't work out if he was | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
completely out of his depth and can only con cinema critics, we are | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
easy to do that to, because we are always looking, I'm thinking of you | :10:01. | :10:11. | |
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as a film historian. Does this make him the auteur's autuere. He's so | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
venerated it is difficult to criticise him. He's very | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
pretentious, it is philosophically pretentious, but asthetically | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
gorgeous, that is why people still love him. He doesn't always hold up | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
to the veneration he's given. don't know what you take from Paul | :10:33. | :10:40. | |
Morley's go or don't go, if you want to go The Tree Of Life is in | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
cinemas now. Kevin Space is at home on the screen, but his main focus | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
of the last 12 years has been the Old Vic theatre in London. His day | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
job there is of artistic director, but he has contorted himself into | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
the Shakespearian villain of villains, Richard III, in Sam | :11:01. | :11:08. | |
Mendes's latest production. Richard III has been a frequent presence on | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
the stage, played by Laurence Olivier and Ian McKellen to name a | :11:12. | :11:19. | |
few, it is the blueprint for a coup d'etat. One thing that still | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
commands the imagination is Laurence Olivier's portrayal of the | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
bad boy on screen and the stage of the Old Vic itself. Olivier's | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
theatre has welcomed back the play, this time under the direction of | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
Sam Mendes, and the Old Vic's artistic directsor, Kevin Space, | :11:36. | :11:41. | |
taking the lead role. The last time they worked together was on the | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
1999 Oscar Garlanded film, American Beauty. They have both previous | :11:46. | :11:53. | |
experience of the play. Mendes directed a production in 1992, and | :11:53. | :12:00. | |
Space played Buckingham opposite Al Pachino's Richard on screen. This | :12:00. | :12:07. | |
comes to the end of a three-year victory, with Sam Mendes bringing | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
much screen talent to the play. Space joins a leg caliper, a claw- | :12:12. | :12:19. | |
like glove for a hand, and a military uniform with echos of | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
dictators. Richard meets the force of royal and regular GAL, Gemma | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
Jones's Annabel Scholey and Niall Quinn give as good as they get. | :12:31. | :12:41. | |
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Does Space steal the show? Did he steal the show? He did for | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
me, he's a cerebral actor and he liked it. It works very well with | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
the role it's the arch manipulator, that is the point. I spoke to a few | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
people who said he didn't emotionally inhabit the role. | :13:04. | :13:12. | |
Richard III, it is a post fraudian idea to think we need to know his | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
emotional ambition, we see in the news this week that material | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
motivation is enough to make people do bad things and he wants the | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
Crown. He plays all the layers of Richard's man nip laigs and comedy | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
and shifting and his anger - man nip laigs and comedy and shifting | :13:32. | :13:42. | |
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and his anger. When he's offered the crown three times we see close | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
ups on the screen. What about the cinematography, that is great? | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
is an interview, it seems to be a live relay, this isn't some kind of | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
dangerous work they are doing with recording material. I wondered | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
about, Spacey, this is inevitable in a production, but he dwarfs | :14:02. | :14:09. | |
everybody, apart from the women. I wonder, I hate to blame the | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
Americans, because they have to take the blame for everything, but | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
there is something about an American actor saying the word | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
"Tamworth", or "Leicester", that I can't quite take seriously! On a | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
serious point of Tim dwarfing the other actors - him dwarfing the ear | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
actors, in the very long - the other actors, in the very long | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
first half the other actors don't seem to figure. It is Spacey's show, | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
it all falls away behind him, he's constantly on, he's thinking, the | :14:47. | :14:54. | |
extraordinary energy he emits. It is the cinematic Richard III. | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
his cinema career, it is the twisted leg to remind us of the | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
Union Suspects,s had the head in the box we reminds us of Seven. | :15:03. | :15:10. | |
There is a small homage to all the films he has been in. It is | :15:10. | :15:17. | |
brilliantly clever. I have said it before, Shakespeare is a very good | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
HBO box-office writer. That constant sense of drama. Spacey has | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
elevated it above any problems of Tudor propaganda or the cripple | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
being made out to be evil. It is sheer performance, it is not even | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
history just sheer performance. a sense it was a shame in the first | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
half, I thought, that the relationship with Buckingham | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
couldn't be intense enough to actually bring that alive as | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
someone else that was acting alongside him? Spacey seemed to act | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
as if Buckingham was OK. He still seemed to be reacting. In a sense | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
it works, it is a strange way to look at their relationship, you | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
don't get the pain of it. You do get the idea as Buckingham as a | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
spin doctor, it works well, particularly for putting the idea | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
of the play across to the audience. It is a populist version of the | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
play. Some purists won't like that, it is playing to a crowd, it is | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
presuming you don't understand what is happening. I think it works | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
really well, it is putting across theatrically what the underlining | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
meanings of the story are. What happens is you have the very long | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
first half, you are slightly concerned that it is going to be | :16:30. | :16:37. | |
Spacey, Spacey and Spacey, then the glorious change of gear with Haydn | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
Gwynne and Annabel Scholey, it is extraordinary how these women can | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
completely command the stage and challenge him in every way. Haydn | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
Gwynne especially, the scene where he's Bartering for her daughter's | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
hand, he's reminding him he has killed everyone else she's related | :16:55. | :17:01. | |
to apart from this daughter. I was sitting there properly jaw-dropped, | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
you realise there is someone else on stage who can go toe-to-toe and | :17:08. | :17:14. | |
jaw-to-jaw. She relished it, and it drew attention to the other guys | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
not. This first two hours were testing, to choose to break the | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
show at that point was really quite brilliant. That moment that he's | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
crowned. To come back from the same scene with a different perspective | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
altered. There was a good reason for having wimpy men, it works well | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
with him as a modern dictator, and once again the news this week, we | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
are sitting thinking, big terrifying significant at the core | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
and satellite wimpy people around him. Women with wild hair, I'm | :17:43. | :17:50. | |
feeling this is kind of working for me. Life on Richard III could be | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
the dramatisation of News of the World. You can't get away from it. | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
There is a serious point here, I have never seen a production of | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
Richard III where I thought the women mattered in the way they do | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
in this production. Things with Queen Margaret, you think actually | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
she's important here. They overplayed it by the end. They like | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
decision that is are also very Machiavellian in themselves, I | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
thought that was really good. brings out the strength of the way | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
these characters are writen, and they are the - written, they are | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
tend to be the dopey and wimpy ones, that is a question of direction and | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
performance. You realise as it is written these people can be | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
incredibly powerful. A quick word on The Bridge Project, that is | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
three years, a success? I don't know, I think they have all, they | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
have all dropped where somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic, these | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
productions. Something happens when actors from these two different | :18:45. | :18:53. | |
cultures get together. It slows everything down. Jeff goldbloom and | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
Sissy Spacek? Some of them have been terribly show. What happens | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
when critics of different things get together. It is much more | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
successful, clearly. It continues until September, with handful of | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
tickets available. Pipes, bowler hats, trains, are some of the every | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
day objects that Rene Magritte painted over and over again. In | :19:11. | :19:18. | |
infusing them with new meaning, or maybe not, intentionally, or maybe | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
not. The Pleasure Principle is the first major British retrospective | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
of the work of the Belgian surrealist in 20 years. Including | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
the familiar iconic paintings and little seen photographs, commercial | :19:30. | :19:40. | |
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What we were trying to do in Liverpool is to stage a number of | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
important exhibitions which look at particular aspects of important | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
figures in 20th century art, Magritte now, and trying to put a | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
different angle on well known figures. Magritte is one of the | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
most popular artists there is. He's a poster boy of Surrealism. What we | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
tried to do is look behind that facade of normality that he | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
presented and see how powerful his work still is. Magritte is a | :20:19. | :20:25. | |
perennially popular artist, but with this appeal comes the risk of | :20:25. | :20:33. | |
overfamiliarity. In a bid to dispel our preconceptions of the work, | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
Tate Liverpool has put the show under different headings. | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
In this show you have all of the iconic works, you have the pipes | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
and the apple, you have the clouds, you have the train coming out of | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
the mantlepiece, you have the man in the bowler hats, all the icons | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
are here. But at the same time you will see the unknown Magritte, the | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
painter Magritte, the breaks in his work, where he suddenly paints | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
completely sloppy and expressive, that is what makes his work | :21:00. | :21:09. | |
interesting. The exhibition also showcases the | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
commercial work of his advertising days, and surrealist home movies | :21:13. | :21:22. | |
with his wife and muse, Georgette. Magritte, maybe more than any other | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
of the surrealist, has created images that are instantly | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
recoginsable, but they are complex. The dommin I don't know of day and | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
night, - dommin I don't know of the day and night, perfectly executed, | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
simple but also intriguing, disturbing, puzzling, that is a | :21:41. | :21:49. | |
power of his. The excuse is perfect, simple and effective though the | :21:49. | :21:59. | |
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Paul, did you get a sense from this exhibition that although you knew | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
about Magritte you only had passing acquaintance before? He is one of | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
my favourite artists, I did think I knew enough. There were surprising | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
turns. I got the feeling the exhibition was trying to recover | :22:17. | :22:23. | |
his reputation a bit, he's obviously overexposed, a lot of the | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
cliches in kitsch world could be sourced back to Magritte, he has a | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
lesser reputation. I got the impression they were trying to | :22:33. | :22:42. | |
position him more to DeJomp, I thought if he's more a Bob Dylan! I | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
got this sense that it is the thing about being overfamiliar with these | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
exhibitions is will the exhibition itself transform the reputation of | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
Magritte or will the individual works. Or the shop? The shop is | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
handily placed at the end of of the familiar paintings. What I found | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
that was thrilling, frs not so much the exhibition or how it was | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
curated, and there was a lot of great work, and it made me see how | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
he thought, I got into the idea of the paintings not the exhibition. | :23:14. | :23:24. | |
:23:24. | :23:29. | ||
In an exhibition it will deral and desting Surrealism, it - it will | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
devalue Surrealism. It didn't do that. | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
I kind of felt like Magritte is one of those people who got turned into | :23:36. | :23:44. | |
too many posters. The great moment in the Thomas Crown Affair, where | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
everyone pretends to be somebody from Magritte. I was excite today | :23:49. | :23:55. | |
see it away from the tea towels and all that, you can see it at the end, | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
you have the perfect moment of repcation, here are ten or eight | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
different versions of men in bowler hat, and here you can take your | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
own! I found it really intriguing, there were lots of paintings I knew, | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
and far more that I didn't know, especially the comic book of this | :24:14. | :24:21. | |
figure, the Phantomas, he's a cat burglar and criminal, there he is | :24:21. | :24:29. | |
suddenly turned into a Magritte. The Basque, the erotica there was | :24:29. | :24:37. | |
so much, the bad period, the Renoiresque stuff, there was a | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
complete fabulousness of Magritte in all his periods. I'm not sure if | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
I felt the fabulousness or much pleasure, frankly. I remember when | :24:46. | :24:53. | |
they did George Melly on Through The Keyhole, and Lloyd Grossman | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
went around snooping and it was full of surrealist art, I thought | :24:58. | :25:07. | |
there was nothing good enough to put in George Melly's bathroom. | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
think he's amazing. That was the stuff I wasn't nearly as familiar | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
with as I thought I was. It was one of those exhibitions where I | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
realised I didn't know Magritte at all. I thought I was passingly | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
acquainted with him. Particularly he has all these paintings where | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
he's playing with language and he has all these ideas about | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
literalism, and then representing what the idea might be in its | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
relationship to language. Some worked better than others, but the | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
way in which he was thinking conceptually about what he was | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
trying to do and questions about ideas and representation. I think | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
he does the kinds of things that Terrence Malick thinks he does and | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
doesn't do. There was some things of equisite beauty, hi no idea that | :25:49. | :25:56. | |
the Domain of Skaf life had been done, 16 times. When you see them | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
all there. Thu suddenly lit up like Turner, you could see the technique | :26:01. | :26:08. | |
that was there, that I had also underappreciated, he made it really | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
beautiful. In a way he withdrew behind the bowler hat and created | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
this image of himself. But for that anonymity, he was constantly | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
present, he was sending himself to the future in a way that outdoes | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
Andy Warhol and Hirst, he was replicating his own reputation. | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
of the paintings, which until two years ago nobody knew had a mirror | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
image partner, it was only just found two years ago? Amazing, and | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
the question of whether he did it because there are two customers. | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
That is the exact type of anecdote I want to find out at an exhibition. | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
My problem with the exhibition is I wished because it actually covers | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
the long career of a man who lived a long time. I actually think they | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
overegged the pudding, they could have gone for the more straight | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
forward chronological, so we could see the way his ideas developed. | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
Here is a painter, I'm grumpy about this, it is a painter playing with | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
the idea of banality, that is a dangerous game to play. They seem | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
to be representations of a moment when something was dead pan and | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
something was cool. I wonder whether the dead bit isn't the bit | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
that seems most apparent, to my eye. These all seem very flat and | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
unexcited. I know they play with the idea of flatness, and | :27:33. | :27:40. | |
unexcitingness. But still for me. There is a lot of value in terms of | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
the idea of the mystery of appearance. There was all those | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
things that seemed like cliches before I went and suddenly came | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
alive again. What excited me was the commercial art, actually. The | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
vitality of that, the vitality of his film posters, and his orange | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
juice adverts seemed to be more. was not about designing wallpaper, | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
the whole exhibition was like a wallpaper sample board, full of | :28:07. | :28:16. | |
unbelievable images. The back room with porn too. No time for that! | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
The Pleasure Principle continues at Tate Liverpool until October. | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
Award-winning author, Sarah Waters is renowned for historical novels, | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
known as lesbian historical romps. The books have proved popular with | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
TV audiences, The Night Watch has been adapted for BBC. In a | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
departure from her usual Irene that it is September after the Second | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
World War. We spoke to Sarah Waters and about why her new work lends | :28:47. | :28:53. | |
itself to television. It is like her putting on a display | :28:53. | :29:00. | |
just for us. Bravo. . I'm pretty much an old fashioned | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
storyteller. I like plots, characterisation, dialogue. I'm | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
part of a generation of people who grew up watching an awful lot of | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
tele, films. I know when I'm writing a scene, usually I | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
visualise it and write down what I'm seeing in my head. Following | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
the lives and losses of four Londoner, The Night Watch explores | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
the convolume luted emotional relationships and seemingly abitary | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
connection that is interlink the main characters. My starting point | :29:31. | :29:40. | |
for the novel was writing about relationships that had failed. The | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
Victorian novels had young women at the start of their lives. For this | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
I wanted to write about women my own age who had done that and | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
moving on to something else. And dealing with the problems of | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
relationships. Anna Maxwell Martin is Kay, an androgynous loner, | :29:58. | :30:08. | |
scarred by emotional loss and scarred by his experience as an | :30:08. | :30:14. | |
ambulance driverburg the blitz. were - during the blitz. You were | :30:14. | :30:21. | |
the bravest person I know. It is easy to be brave in the war. | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
Duncan, played by Harry Treadaway hides a dark secret, and battles | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
with his own sexual desires. What so there is no shame in the army | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
making you into a murderer, as long as for king and country it is OK to | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
have blood on your hand. You want to talk about shame, you wait until | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
you are out of here and you can't walk down the street without people | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
pointing at you. The drama follows the unusual narrative structure of | :30:46. | :30:52. | |
the novel, beginning during the period of reconstruction in 1947, | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
and jumping back in time to 1944 and 1941 and the chaos of horrors | :30:56. | :31:01. | |
of the blitz. As each character's past actions are revealed, their | :31:01. | :31:07. | |
present and futures are explained. When I was writing The Night Watch, | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
I thought nobody will want to adapt this. Everyone is a bit glum in it, | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
for one thing, it has this rather difficult structure where it moves | :31:16. | :31:22. | |
backwards. It was a technical challenge, but I enjoy that. I do | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
like figuring out how best to tell a story. So has its film succeeded | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
in capturing the war and post-war time atmosphere and the emotion of | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
fraught and fractured lives. They say romance is dead. | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
Natalie, you have come to this fresh, without reading the book. | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
Saved myself some time too, well done. Do you get the atmosphere of | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
the fear and recklessness and excitement and bravery attached to | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
the war? Yes, all of those things are there. Also it is beautifully | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
shot. You can feel the fabrics that everyone is wearing t made me feel | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
strangely closer to the war than the future for the first time in a | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
really long time. And I think it is really carried by its performers, | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
Anna Maxwell Martin is just about as good a TV actor that is working | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
at the moment. She's extraordinary. Once she's on the screen, she eats | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
it, it doesn't matter how good the people around her are, she's all | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
I'm focusing on. I never say this, I have been doing this programme | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
for five years, do you know, it could have gone on longer, what | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
about two episodes. They short changed the story? I think they | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
have squadered one of the hottest literary properties that there has | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
been in a decade or so. Why wasn't this three episodes when we could | :32:45. | :32:51. | |
have really delved into the world. Given that we are right now airing | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
Duncan Pearce a very silly novel, given this incredible reverential | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
treatment. And you think here is a very good novel that deserves that | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
five hours of attention. That was my problem, it whistles through it. | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
I'm wondering if the chronological thing needs to work in a complete | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
space, split over there it would be less. It is great in the book I | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
love that thing, Terrence Malick has missed a bit of a thing. It has | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
this sense of after the war, when we find them, everything is | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
fragmented and broken up. People are broken? Then we go back to | :33:28. | :33:33. | |
piece it together. It works wonderfully. To an extent it was | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
sort of experimental in the book, but here it works so well. That may | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
be why they needed to do it in one space. It is like a cousin to Scott | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
and Bailey, the detective series set in the north, with the women at | :33:46. | :33:53. | |
the front and men hin. It is so refreshing. One of the amazing | :33:53. | :34:00. | |
things, the dialogue is terrific, it is not overblown, not | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
sentimental it is heart wrenching? It is precisely researched, the | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
work that went into the novel, the work went in to research war time | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
prison life, all of that is transferred to the screen, very | :34:13. | :34:19. | |
effective, the sub cultures between conscientious objectives and that. | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
The film does this very well, it is a film populated by adults, that is | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
a good thing, they had the guts to keep it adult. They haven't dumbed | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
it down or patronised it, except the crucial bit of them deciding | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
they needed to rewind for those of us who couldn't read 1947 and then | :34:38. | :34:45. | |
1941. History tends to be sentimentalised | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
and later in the war and after the war, apart from anything else it | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
provide as great historical service. I hadn't realised that so many | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
people actively didn't go to the bunkers, they wanted to see what | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
was happening, it was almost like come and get me. Everyone was limb | :35:05. | :35:11. | |
rated from their positions, they could anticipate things. | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
finally get gay war time London instead of gay war time Berlin. | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
a sense it wasn't a novel I think about gay love, it was a novel | :35:20. | :35:26. | |
about a coming of age of women, and very much in the same way of the | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
munitions with the First World War, in the Second World War they were | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
taking charge of all sorts. Women's sexuality is at the heart of it, | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
but it is not always about at the sire, it is certainly not all about | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
lesbian sexuality, but there is questions about women's rights. | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
hasn't invented this idea, this is a cue she's taking from the cinema | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
of the period, when had you a generation of the stars, like | :35:53. | :36:00. | |
Margaret Lock wood, all appearing in melodramas set on the home | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
fronts revolving around stories not entirely unlike this one. What was | :36:04. | :36:11. | |
very brave, not giving away this end, there is only one resolution | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
regarded as a traditionals re l the unhappiness doesn't get magiced | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
away. All of that is transferred very precisely from the book. It | :36:20. | :36:29. | |
has a lovely Mel collie feeling to it. I wond - Mel Len collie feeling | :36:29. | :36:37. | |
to it - melencholy feel to go it. The budget wasn't big enough to do | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
the burning London. This isn't Hollywood. It is on next Tuesday | :36:42. | :36:48. | |
night at 9.00. It is turning into a weekend of farewells, the News of | :36:48. | :36:55. | |
the World, the space shuttle and Harry Potter, the final film. | :36:55. | :37:05. | |
:37:05. | :37:10. | ||
You know the stats about Harry Potter, 400 million books sold, | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
translated into 67 language, including ancient Greek, including | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
the most lucrative movie franchise of all time. The little wizard has | :37:19. | :37:29. | |
:37:29. | :37:29. | ||
come into millions of homes and people's careers. | :37:29. | :37:36. | |
The spotlight tonight is Lizo, the BBC entertainment correspond | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
department. Which of the Harry Potter books has told the most? | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows Part 2. What two conditions | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
were imposed on the making of the Royal Hospitals Trust films? | :37:47. | :37:53. | |
wanted it an all-British cast made in the UK, number two commercial | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
partners involved in merchandising, putting money into good causes. | :37:59. | :38:09. | |
was JK Rolling's first choice to direct the movie? Terry Gillingham. | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
Why did Steven Spielberg turn it down? He wanted it an animated | :38:15. | :38:24. | |
movie and starring Haley Joel Osmond. Why has it been successful? | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
People say because it explores folklore and drawing it together. | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
Correct, it is said one in four American adults have seen a Harry | :38:32. | :38:39. | |
Potter film, why? There are so many different reasons for that, firstly, | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
it is because Americans are fascinate bid British culture. | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
there be any more Harry Potter stories? No. I'm not entirely sure | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
I agree with that. Excuse me, I have started so I will finish. I | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
think she will carry on, it is not about money, JK Rolling has plenty | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
of that, it is about the writer's need to write. She has done perhaps | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
the most difficult thing, to create characters which mean something to | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
her readers. They want more. I don't think she will be able to | :39:08. | :39:17. | |
resist the urge to give it to them. Well, well. What brings you here | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
Potter? Can you believe it's the Harry Potter final film, in a sense | :39:22. | :39:28. | |
it has been, what, seven book, set films, in real time. Only eight, | :39:28. | :39:37. | |
really. It seems like 27 to me. don't mean that. What have they | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
contributed to the film industry, apart from anything else? Apart | :39:41. | :39:48. | |
from giving aen to of people a tonne of people a huge tonne of | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
work. I think they have realised British film makers, they are | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
British book, set here, there was an option early on made by | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
Spielberg in America, no, they stayed here, they stayed very | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
British, it is a positive British brand. A film studio exists in this | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
country that wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for the Harry Potter | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
films. That's worth celebrating. I'm glad to see the back of them. | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
Just before we end this conversation, space shuttle, Harry | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
Potter, News of the World, what will you miss the most? I'm not | :40:20. | :40:26. | |
going to miss any of them, never see Harry Potter films unless you | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
send me, I have never read News of the World, space shuttle maybe, the | :40:32. | :40:39. | |
only thing at the moment is Wimbledon and the sun. A going | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
backwards not going to space, we don't read books but strange | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
screens. I'm always saying goodbye to Harry Potter, if the News of the | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
World goes permanently that would be a great thing, but it might be | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
replaced with something that could take us to the past. It has to be | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
Harry Potter, a true case of plot over everything and working for it. | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
The shuttle, now I won't get the chance to fly t I thought maybe I | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
would be able to sort it out as co- pilot. Sorry to leave you on a sad | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
note. That is almost all for tonight. | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
Remember we are standing by for your tweets. My thanks to Sarah | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
Churchwell, Paul Morley, Natalie Haynes and Matthew Sweet, we take a | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
short break until the Edinburgh Festival next month, but it is | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
entertainment galore on The Culture Show on Wednesday at 7.00 BBC Two. | :41:36. | :41:42. | |
We leave you with Frank Turner from the album Peggy Sings the Blue, | :41:42. | :41:52. | |
:41:52. | :41:56. | ||
# Peggy came to me # In my sleep | :41:56. | :42:02. | |
# In the middle of the night # On a Friday night last week | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
# She whispered hot shot # Now don't be scared | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
# Got me through words of wisdom # I came back to share | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
# She said # It doesn't matter where you come | :42:15. | :42:22. | |
from # It matters where you go | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
# I said Peggy won't you stay here for a while | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
# We could drink whiskey # We could play cards | :42:33. | :42:39. | |
# We could get wild # She said we'll play poker | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
# Play for keeps # I only play angels | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
# They never let me cheat # She said | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
# It doesn't matter where you come from | :42:48. | :42:58. | |
:42:58. | :42:59. | ||
# It matters where you go # No-one gets remembered | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
# In this senseless life # For the things they didn't do | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
# You could say you had a good start | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
# You could say I had class # You could say I was born beneath | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
# The ceiling made of glass # I always kept an open house | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
# And always do right by my friends # And when I got to St Peter's gate | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
# I told the keeper # I'm not the one | :43:24. | :43:34. | |
# Who needs to make amends # Because better times are coming | :43:34. | :43:40. | |
# Bad times ahead # No-one gets remembered | :43:40. | :43:50. | |
# My death is # To rest too long in # Peggy said | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
# It doesn't matter where you come from | :43:52. | :44:01. | |
# It matters where you go # No-one gets remembered | :44:01. | :44:09. |