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On tonight's Review Show... Tom Hanks and Sandra Bullock in | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
Jonathan Safran Foer's Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. Six | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
months after his death, a huge retrospective of one of Britain's | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
greatest artists, Lucian Freud. Acclaimed novelist Colm Toibin | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
explores how families created the great writers. And a look back at | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
the most celebrated director of them all, Martin Scorsese. And | :00:53. | :01:03. | |
mulling over all of that, this week's panel... The comedian and | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
activist Mark Thomas, who's been building his own political | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
manifesto on Radio Four. Crime novelist Denise Mina, who's | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
currently scripting the graphic novel of The Girl With the Dragon | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
Tattoo. Former Director of the Edinburgh Film Festival, now a | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
writer, Hannah McGill. And journalist, commentator and critic, | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
Sarfraz Manzoor. Good Evening, and welcome to the Review Show. | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
Throughout the programme we'll be luxuriating in the wisdom of Mark, | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
Hannah, Denise and Safraz, but we also want to hear from you, so do | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
get in touch through e-mail or twitter, we're always waiting for | :01:33. | :01:43. | |
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one polite enough to read out on air. First up, a film six years in | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
the making. Jonathan Safran Foer burst into the literary world in | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
2002 with his novel everything is illuminated which was later adapted | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
into a hugely popular film starring a Elijah Wood. His second novel, | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Extremely Loud And Incredibly Close, has just undergone the same | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
treatment, this time a starring Tom Hanks and Sandra Bullock, directed | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
by Stephen Daldry. It is the story of Oskar, a young New York boy | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
struggling to come to terms with the death of his father in the | :02:18. | :02:28. | |
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World Trade Centre. Please just a Sandra Bullock and Tom Hanks are | :02:30. | :02:38. | |
the parents of the boy. His father is very sensitive to the child's | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
eccentricity, creating adventurous puzzles for him as an attempt to | :02:44. | :02:51. | |
overcome his shyness and idiosyncrasy. Computer consultants. | :02:51. | :02:59. | |
One amateur everything? It is a compliment. Amateur pacifist? | :02:59. | :03:07. | |
Amateur inventor? OK, we are all said. When, after his father's | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
death, Oscar finds a mysterious key his latest adventure becomes clear | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
- to find the lock the key fits as his father's loss challenge to him. | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
A quest through New York ensues, taking the Oscar far from his | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
comfort zone in Manhattan. As much as it is a physical journey for him, | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
at heart, it is an emotional challenge. I am trying to find a | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
lot for this key that was in the envelope that belonged to my father. | :03:35. | :03:42. | |
I am sorry, I don't have anything about the key, or your father. | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
cameos are bound including violet Davies, and now be -- and Max von | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
Sydow, as the mute Llodra, who has received the Oscar not. Do you have | :03:54. | :04:04. | |
a criminal record? Maybe you heard people for a living? What is your | :04:04. | :04:14. | |
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Everything is illuminated seemed to please fans, so has Stephen Daldry | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
been as successful with this film which was based on a more complex | :04:30. | :04:40. | |
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narrative? And which delves into Mark, it is more than a decade now | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
since 9/11 so do you think it seems a less taboo subject for a film? | :04:49. | :04:57. | |
think it has been less to do for a while. For example, United 93, a | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
great movie about what happened then. So it is not the taboo | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
subject, the problem with this film - and I did try to find positive | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
things about it, which is hard - the problem is it is over | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
sentimentalised, cloying, the characters are not really | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
believable and actually it is vaguely insulting. Did you think it | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
was insulting? I thought it was unbelievably cynical. If it was not | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
for the fact it was based on a Booker would have thought they had | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
deliberately named the child Oscar because they wanted but award! He | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
seemed to be trying to take the right of passage film's structure | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
of a boy who needs to overcome his dad to become a man, then crowbar | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
and use the structure of 9/11 as an excuse for it. I think that is | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
offensive. The you think 9/11 was just crowbar it in? I was a bit | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
more interested in how it portrays parenting and childhood as it is | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
regarded in America at the moment. I think it is a kids' film, | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
completely, that is not necessarily derogatory. I don't think it even | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
tries to make any emotional depth to the adult characters. It has | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
this child to everybody kowtows and facilitates this fantasy, his | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
hypersensitivity, his neediness, to such an extent that by the end you | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
think this is not real life, this is a fantasy where everybody | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
gathers round and says yes, your fantasy of your perfect father and | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
the worst day of all time and the fairy tale of everyone in New York | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
coming together loving each other, everyone conspires to protect him | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
in his fantasy world. For me, that was the scary thing, more than the | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
9/11 stuff, this weird, cosseted child he was not coming up against | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
the real world but actually does being encouraged to live in a | :06:40. | :06:48. | |
fantasy. It is the sense that it is not exactly magic realism, but | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
heightened reality say we should not be too forensic about the | :06:51. | :07:00. | |
detail. -- so we should. Although you can do that in prose, you can't | :07:00. | :07:08. | |
necessarily do it in film and the child comes over as a peculiar, not | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
a peculiar child which are suggested by the autism, but a | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
bizarre construction of childhood which has a very American thing. | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
When I watch American films I think do they have kids there, because | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
they are like little middle-aged men. The character is hyper | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
literate, but it does not work as well on film. I thought the use of | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
this potential suggestion of Asperger's was a bit of a cop out | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
clause in a sense because it meant you had somebody who was supercar | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
precocious, literate, speaks like a 30 year-old, without requiring the | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
majority of wisdom and insight that a 30 Roald would have -- Super | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
precocious. So in the end Sandra Bullock can say bad things happen, | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
we cannot explain them. That is not a good enough. If it is always | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
literally at the Chow's level, it can seem infantile, if they are | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
more sophisticated you think the ABBA writer does not have the | :08:02. | :08:12. | |
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child's point of view. I think a child does a good job. -- the child. | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
The thing about his character is it is Berry constructed in a lazy | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
fashion. Self harming, it is just like any kid who has an emotional | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
time is a self harm. If they are precocious they need a bit of | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
knowledge, they need to be naive and then you give them Asperger's. | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
It seems reconstructed. Don't you think we get more depth from the | :08:36. | :08:44. | |
character, the mute man played by Moxey -- Max von Sydow. He has a | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
simpler thing to do because his character is straightforward | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
whereas the child carries the weight of being the audience's | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
fantasy of what it would be like to be a child to anybody would do | :08:54. | :09:04. | |
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anything for. -- who anybody. It never comes across as a human. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
is a self-centred damage because the mother is damaged. The | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
grandmother is damaged. Everything is just about this kid and his | :09:12. | :09:20. | |
needs. But is quite a selfish thing. His 80 year-old grandmother is | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
standing there saying shall I come under there with you, under the bed | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
because he is having a hard time, it is like everybody is going under | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
there with him. This child doesn't seem to care about the people | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
around him. He is horrible. Isn't part of this that when you watch | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
this movie it has been constructed in such a way, we know it is a sad | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
tale, somebody has lost their father in 9/11, it will be sad, but | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
every bit of it underlines it and says this is really sad, but this | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
is really, really sad. They have the idea of the The Falling Man | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
which is the famous image from the World Trade Centre, but they kind | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
of rendering it -- render it in a way it is like the opening sequence | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
of the film. I found that offensive. It was different from the subtlety | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
of the book where the Cha's obsession with the falling and only | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
gradually emerges after time. have the scope of VAT in a book but | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
it just comes over as really cloying and far too much. It would | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
be enough for his father to die. It did not have to be within the | :10:22. | :10:32. | |
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context of the tragedy. Not a positive verdict, it is fair to say. | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
Now, when Lucian Freud died in July, he was still hard at work on a | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
painting, characteristically, of a nude man reclining with a dog. That | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
is just one of many works on display at a major new | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
retrospective at the National Portrait Gallery in London. We sent | :10:45. | :10:55. | |
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In the first large-scale display of Freud's work since his death, 130 | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
works have been assembled from collections across the world.A | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
arranged chronologically, the exhibition highlights sometimes | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
dramatic changes Freud made in his technique. That early style of | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
painting was painstaking, and it was very - it was incredibly slow, | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
and so quite relatively early on, he abandoned this way of working | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
and moved on to moving much bolder brush strokes. | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
We have in the exhibition Hotel Bedroom, which was the last | :11:36. | :11:41. | |
painting he made sitting down, and we see that he begins to pull out | :11:41. | :11:48. | |
from the subject so that you start to see the interiors. Throughout | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
the exhibition, Freud's obsession with the human body is dramatically | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
in evidence. His first nude was painted in 1966, and he felt | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
himself that he wanted to pull out from the head and start looking at | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
the whole body. The exhibition also highlights the intimate | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
relationship Freud had with his subjects. | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
Some people he got to know through painting them. Others, he'd | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
obviously known for a very long time - for example, his portrait of | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
David Hart -- David Hockney David calculated took 130 hour, so | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
although they were friends already, you get to know someone in a | :12:28. | :12:34. | |
different way through that sitting. One of Freud's most frequent | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
subjects was himself. Self-Portrait shows the importance of him because | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
he felt that he ought to understand the rigours of what he was putting | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
his sitters through. As he got older, the self-portraits became | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
more reflective and moving, and the final self-portrait we have in the | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
exhibition, he almost appears to be engulfed by the wall of paint | :12:56. | :13:03. | |
behind him. So is the inevitable posthumous reassessments are made, | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
does this exhibition justify the claim for Freud as one of the | :13:06. | :13:14. | |
greatest in modern Britain? Denise, this is such a wide-ranging | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
exhibition, but I thought the early pictures, in particular, were | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
really striking, so different from his more famous work. Very | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
different, more stylised, quite flat, plain. The ones that were all | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
about skin I found quite - absolutely beautiful - I mean, | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
really a pleasure to the eye. You wouldn't go walking about with big | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
headphones on listening to the whole history of the painting. You | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
would just look. I find the earlier pictures much more intimate. I | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
don't know how you felt, but the naked ones where you're staring at | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
someone's per kneeum or some intimate part of them, you felt | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
really distant and he was almost trying not to say anything about | :13:55. | :14:03. | |
them, and it actually felt quite cold - an experiment on a surface | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
paint pattern. I thought his attitude was really interesting - | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
he couldn't connect with his mother until she was no longer interested | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
in him because she was depressed. He invited his children in to paint | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
them to have a relationship with him. Even when he does saccharin | :14:21. | :14:27. | |
pictures - children with ducks - Lee is in the background of the | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
portrait leering out. He had things to say. It feels very much he's | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
holding back from the viewer somehow, he's always hiding away. | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
There was a big change in technique, wasn't there, from the early to the | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
later paintings? And he stood up. I like the early stuff. And picked | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
another brush. Picked up a whole set of brushes - I agree. It's good | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
to see the early ones just to see he wasn't born with that signature | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
style and had an entirely different way of painting in the '50s, but I | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
just thought the later stuff was amazing. It is intimate. There was | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
a quote I read which said he liked to think of human beings as animals. | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
I think there is a sense that he's looking at everybody naked as an | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
animal whether they're wearing clothes or not. What was quite | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
interesting is that a lot of the paintings - they don't name who | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
they are. There is a sense he's looking at everybody as a species. | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
Actually at the end of it, we're all just bags of skin. We're all | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
going to die. We're all going to have mottled skin by the end - it | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
felt like a zoological study more than... Not quite a celebration of | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
flesh but a compulsion to paint it. I thought it was a celebration, | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
actually, because this was my first Freud exhibition I have been to. I | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
left it a convert. I adored it. You could chronologically follow his | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
point. You could see those points he made the changing in his paging. | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
The flesh - I became absolutely drawn into this because the detail | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
on it is just incredible, and you just - it got to the point where | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
I'd walk up to a picture of someone with clothes on and say, I don't | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
want to see it. I was just drawn into it. I thought the characters | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
of the people did come out. I think in his mother it came out. When you | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
see portraits of other artists you can really see this character | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
coming through as well as his flair. Were you as drawn in as these | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
pictures? Some of them you're drawn in. They're very, very variable. I | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
prefer the more stylised things earlier on, the fleshy ones. For me, | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
they're very cold and distant. I read a quote from him where he said | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
the head is no different than a hand or a foot. He's not interested | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
in the personality as expressed by the face, but as it's splayed out | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
and you're lying in an awkward position. I find these awkward | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
positionings awkward as a viewer, and they're meant to be, but the | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
feeling of someone in a position they'd never be in in any natural | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
way - sometimes that really works. The Lee Barry one is really great | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
because this was someone who was an artist of his body. Even in those | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
most awkward position, he looks like... Absolutely. They're amazing. | :16:58. | :17:04. | |
He has this great face as well. Some of them - looks like he just | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
had someone lie over there, look awkward and hold a rat and that'll | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
be really weird rather than say something about the picture. | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
you find the distance in the self- portraits because I thought there | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
was a Piersing gaze there? I felt as though I was slagging him off | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
because I loved this exhibition. I don't want to sound like that but I | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
felt he was very influenceded by the expressionists and always | :17:29. | :17:39. | |
denied it. He references Rembrandt. He references Andy Warhol. Why? He | :17:39. | :17:46. | |
was the most vacuous painter ever. The interior after war hole is the | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
least effective group paintings. I really do love it. But I do find | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
he's moving away, and I felt the self-portraits were a cynical | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
reference. He is placing himself in the cannon and doesn't need to do | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
that. I noticed you could really get close to the paints. It's | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
amazing you could literally see - not even just two-dimensional. | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
There was a portrait of I think a woman called Ria, and her face was | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
a mound of paint coming out. Yeah. Just the idea that painting is a | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
physical activity. It's for the sitters and Freud as well. | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
gizical activity for him right up until the very end which is so | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
important because you have that last... That last picture is | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
amazing because it's half finished. There is immense tenderness in | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
those. I thought they were very moving. Very moving indeed. I am | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
glad you all enjoyed that. The Lucian Freud Portraits | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
is on display at the National Portrait Gallery in London until | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
27th May, and you can see an exclusive documentary about his | :18:48. | :18:57. | |
life tomorrow night here on BBC Two. Now, New Ways to Kill Your Mother - | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
not an idiot's guide for would be matricides but a new collection of | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
essays by the acclaimed writer Colm Toibin about the relationship | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
between writers and their families -which aims to shed light on some | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
of our greatest, and emotionally complicated, authors. From feuds to | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
funerals, from Jane Austen to Barack Obama, New Girl explores how | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
19th and 20th century writers have written about family relationships. | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
It begins with a 19th century reference to write out parents | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
altogether in favour of aunts citing the works of Jane Austen and | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
Henry James. In most cases, of course, the mother is the dominant | :19:37. | :19:44. | |
character. You cannot rake me. something! Your mother insists. | :19:44. | :19:52. | |
an Irish author himself, Colm Tobin is drawn to writers like the | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
playwright JM Sing whose evangelical domineering mother | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
deplored his literary success. Then there was what Samuel Beckett | :20:01. | :20:07. | |
described as the "savage loving" of his mother. Then of course there is | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
the traditionally fraught paternal relationship. He observes, for | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
instance, the rivalry between Henry James and his father, who tried his | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
own hand at writing, then resented his son's success. More recently | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
James Baldwin and Barack Obama have explored sons and fathers, absent | :20:22. | :20:29. | |
or otherwise, in their work. The deployment of inter-generational | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
dynamics to portray change also an interest to Tobin. In Doyle's | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
writing about his parents, he sees the changing face of Ireland | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
through the course of the 21st century. This the band, is it? | :20:43. | :20:51. | |
Bet you two are shitting yourselves. Tobin revels in the anecdotal value | :20:51. | :20:58. | |
of family. Pul itser prize winning author - loathed his wife, his home | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
in upstate New York and sexuality. Tennessee Williams was throughout | :21:03. | :21:11. | |
his life haunted by the ghost of his sister Rose. Deeply written in | :21:11. | :21:19. | |
his often funny prose, Tobin chart misunhappy family relationships. | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
Safraz, it's almost received wisdom, isn't it, the text should be | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
everything in finding out about writers' lives is a bit of a guilty | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
pleasure, but there is a real power of autobiographical information | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
running through these essays. is. What's interesting is it tells | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
you a lot of people's fiction is inspired by the reality they didn't | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
necessarily write about except in journals in letters. Most of the | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
collection of essays he's published elsewhere - it feels slightly | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
random in terms of the writers he's chosen. I had mixed feelings about | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
it. In a way that was my own failing because I hadn't read all | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
the writers he was talking about. Therefore you could only connect | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
more with certain ones than others. The thing I found more interesting | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
is the little human facts - the stories - come through. John | :22:09. | :22:16. | |
Cheever comes across as a monstrous man who hates women and was having | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
a penis-measuring competitions in college whilst having three kids. | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
Those anecdotes come through. Also coming through is the damage having | :22:25. | :22:32. | |
a family to a writer. It's impressive the range of writers he | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
discusses through the Irish writers right up to John Cheever, Henry | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
James, so on. It is impressive. The problem is unless you know the | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
writers, you're always going to be one step removed. It's always going | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
to be harder to get into it. That was certainly barrier for me to | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
begin with. But it's fantastically gossipy. It's very personalised. I | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
love - there was stuff like the letter us that Yates' father sent | :22:56. | :23:03. | |
his son. "Have you read my poems yet?" What are you doing? There was | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
a certain emotional car crash to this... That it takes a very long | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
time how to write a play, "dad!" There are great moments, "When you | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
have seen my play and seen how good it is perhaps you'll let me give | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
you a few tips -" Whoa! You do begin to see similarities, so the | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
relationship between Yates and his father is like the relationship | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
between Henry James and his father. In a way I think there is a | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
randomness to it, there is a sense of these essays vaguely tied | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
together by the family thing. It doesn't necessarily need to be | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
about writers, just that being nosey about other people's families | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
is great. These families are more likely to have diaries and letters. | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
There is a slightly spurious way of tying it together saying the | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
novelist is trying to kill the parent which I didn't think worked. | :23:49. | :23:55. | |
He starts with this essay about, why is it literary characters seem | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
to have unconventional family set- ups? It's a bit like saying why do | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
action heroes get into car chases? It's the wrong way around. Isn't he | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
saying about 19th century writers the reason why aunts become | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
paramount is if you have a character without the ties of | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
parents, they can become much more independent? I think that's the | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
first chapter which is really more of an introduction before the | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
beginning. That's the only place women appear in a role other than | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
very annoying mothers or the wives of homosexual men, pretty much, so | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
it is a very - it's not ran David Miliband. It's really about men, so | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
- and it's also about - you're talking about the theme of - all | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
writers want to kill their mothers - do they? Do they? That doesn't | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
really work. Doesn't say that. talking about - everybody wants to | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
usurp their parents. There is one line where he says the children of | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
failed artists always try to outshine their father's artistic | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
failures so they can then show their mum they're a better man, | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
things like that and never allowing - but that is one of the lovely | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
things about it is he makes these random statements about thing, then | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
tries to back them up. I found that really exciting. I found the fact | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
that he would just go, no, this is what I think - he was just very | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
bold about it. And I loved the fact that halfway through the book, he | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
suddenly goes, look, happy childhoods might make good citizen, | :25:23. | :25:29. | |
but it doesn't help you when you're staring at a blank page which is | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
essentially at the core. The play by Barry is vaguely inspired by | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
Charles Hawkney. He had three healthy kid, but that wasn't work. | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
Fiction creates necessities, which means you have to have more | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
complication. I think the line of how you take fiction and move on | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
was quite interesting. In that chapter he says everything is | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
byeography because Hinterland is very much based on biography. He | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
says this is all about the writer. I think it's all about him and a | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
kind of autobiography. It's beautiful because of that because | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
he makes those sweeping statements. He really connects - tries to | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
connect - when he talks about Ronnie Doyle, he talks about the | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
fact that he knew someone who knew someone who was the sister of the | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
grandfather - he really tries to make those connections. There is | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
melancholy there in the lives of the writers destroyed by homophobia. | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
He talked about John Cheever... don't know how they had time to do | :26:28. | :26:35. | |
any writing. There was the strain of incredible paranoia and neuroses | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
and fear. That chapter is about being a repressed homosexual and | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
not dealing with it. It's much more about his crisis and Thomas Mann | :26:46. | :26:52. | |
and his insane family - talk about good gossip - generations of incest, | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
suicide and madness - for me, it's more a great piece of gossip than | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
anything else. The whole thing about you needing good drama for | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
fiction, in a way the writers who honour their parents aren't going | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
to make as good of stories. That is true - scope for new work, perhaps. | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
New Ways to Kill Your Mother is out now, published by Picador. Last | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
Sunday, even the sea of stars at the BAFTAS was outshone by a humble | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
speech from one of cinema's living legends. Martin Scorsese. So, in | :27:18. | :27:27. | |
the week he became a BAFTA fellow, we look back at his long career. | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
Martin Scorsese occupies the throne amongst Hollywood royalty. His | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
career now spans over 40 years from first feature, Who's That Knocking | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
at my Door made straight from film school and starring his classmate | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
Harvey Keitel. That girl is bothering you. Shut up. Don't tell | :27:46. | :27:53. | |
me to shut up. You get out. Don't tell me to shut up in my car. | :27:53. | :28:01. | |
his most recent movie, the Oscar- nominated Hugo. Halt! | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
distinctive directing style covers Roman Catholic guilt, redemption, | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
period dramas, music and perhaps a subject close toast his heart, | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
Italian-American immigrants, which can be seen in the early film he | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
made features his mother and father. You were going to show us about the | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
sauce. You were going to show us how to do the sauce. What shall I | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
say? You're going to get up and show it to us. How did you learn | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
it? Throughout his career, he's pushed his film-making techniques | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
to the limit inspiring a whole new generation of filmmakers. For our | :28:36. | :28:43. | |
first two films, Shallow Grave and Train Spotting, we unashamedly | :28:43. | :28:51. | |
stole lots of things. The voice scrover was based on the Good | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
Fellas voice scrover. Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
critics suggest his weak points lie in his female characters, but he | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
challenged that preconception with Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, a | :29:06. | :29:14. | |
road trip featuring a suburban housewife leaving home with her son, | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
leaving Ellen Bernstein an Oscar. am not going to discuss my sex life | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
with you. I am not going to tell you about mine. Violent psychos and | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
gangsters loom large in his work, and violent movies such as Mean | :29:26. | :29:36. | |
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Streets and Good Fellas are perhaps That is a lot of money Fourie kid | :29:39. | :29:46. | |
like you. Anyone asks, you got it in Vegas. Then there is the | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
thought-provoking work, like the last 10 - Macca the Last temptation | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
of Christ, and Shutter Island. Despite the illustrious career it | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
took five Academy Award nominations before Scorsese finally won an | :29:58. | :30:05. | |
Oscar for the departed in 2006. your father were life and saw you | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
here sitting with me I would say he would have a word with me about | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
this. So with Oscar Time approaching and another nomination | :30:11. | :30:21. | |
under his belt, can Scorsese remain at the top? You have got a bit of | :30:21. | :30:28. | |
talent. We have just been talking about family life and I think there | :30:28. | :30:34. | |
was a good example of Scorsese's interest in it with that club with | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
his parents. And you hear his voice and how fast he talks. That is | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
always strikes me about him as a person, this anxiety and drive you | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
get from him, he talks fast, manic, tries to move on to the next thing, | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
do bigger and so on. This varied, long career with this extraordinary | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
range of interests he has. He is always driven on, never satisfied. | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
He never felt he was being appreciated the right way, he | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
wanted the Oscar. So he never sits back. It is that anxiety that is | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
fascinating. It is hard to really remember how revolutionary some of | :31:10. | :31:18. | |
those early films were. Raging Bull was just absolutely outstanding. | :31:19. | :31:25. | |
The way it was shot, the use of black-and-white, the epic filming | :31:25. | :31:35. | |
:31:35. | :31:35. | ||
of the shops were incredible. -- was in -- shops was incredible. -- | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
shots was incredible. If you put everything aside, this man started | :31:40. | :31:46. | |
out with Spielberg, Lucas, and he is still churning out films that | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
have been nominated for awards 40 years later. For Hollywood, that is | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
outstanding. I think he is the perfect example of an argument | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
against awards. He did not win awards for the good stuff, started | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
making films that appeal to the awards committees, but it was not | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
as good as the early stuff which was ignored. I am not saying he was | :32:10. | :32:17. | |
doing this now but he was making tremendous stuff, raging Bull, taxi | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
driver, things like the Departed swept the board but they were not a | :32:22. | :32:32. | |
:32:32. | :32:33. | ||
patch on it. I watched Mean Streets and you know that opening line when | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
he says you don't make up for your sins in church, you make up for | :32:37. | :32:44. | |
them at home. Those concepts of redemption, sin, betrayal and how | :32:44. | :32:51. | |
they go through in a gangster film, you talked about it... But it seems | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
to me a lot of people have been affected by the committee we | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
directed but that spirituality and the idea of guilt, retribution and | :32:59. | :33:05. | |
repentance, I don't think they tap into that so much. That element is | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
strong. He is also brilliant stylist and his use of music is | :33:09. | :33:19. | |
:33:19. | :33:19. | ||
easy to take for granted because That use of pop music to undercut | :33:19. | :33:28. | |
something violent, music to evoke memories, that is entirely him. | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
Brilliant style, he loved language and that rapid-fire dialogue and | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
the hilarious use of obscenity, all the things we take for granted, | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
became fashionable in the 1980s and 1990s when everybody was influenced | :33:39. | :33:46. | |
by him. Without him you probably would not have things like the | :33:46. | :33:52. | |
Sopranos, the wire, he is part of the evolution of the series, he is | :33:52. | :33:58. | |
one of the big fossils along the way. A and other films like King of | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
Comedy. Why don't people watch that more? A brilliant film! Scorsese | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
tries out different things all the time and sometimes he fails. Gangs | :34:11. | :34:18. | |
Of New York, New York, New York, you just think oh no! He made | :34:18. | :34:24. | |
Robert De Niro as staff. It seems he chooses somebody and invest some | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
of their best films in them, but I wrote a quote ways of the job of | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
the artist is to make others care about his obsessions, and if you | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
think about his obsessions, religion, his Italian background, | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
cinema, that is what he has revolved around. It is what we have | :34:39. | :34:45. | |
become obsessed with. He is brilliant as a film academic, the | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
document up and preserve of cinema and quite revolutionary in terms of | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
insisting on the preservation and recording of film history, a full- | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
time job in itself. And archives of music, his documentaries about Bob | :34:58. | :35:05. | |
Dylan and George Harrison, keeping the songs alive. This documentary | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
was made by somebody who loves the music and country spat all those | :35:10. | :35:20. | |
:35:20. | :35:21. | ||
influences and see them. -- and can trace back. I suppose he translated | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
that passion for cinema into his latest film. He is one of these | :35:26. | :35:32. | |
people that is an evangelist for more than just the power of cinema | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
but the religious fixation he has with the cinema as a church, the | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
transformative powers of it. I am not drawn to that whole magic of | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
cinema thing, the nostalgia, sentimentality and history of | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
cinema a bit dubious, I like him more when he is being a bit more | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
immediate. But his Love of cinema is infectious and if you want a | :35:52. | :35:58. | |
quick introductory guide to cinema he is the person to go to. And to | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
be 70 making films with that much energy, we were talking about Woody | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
Allen early on, if you think about how stayed his films are compared | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
to the amount of frenetic energy in the editing of a Scorsese film, it | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
is amazing. I am a constant reinvention. Maybe it is a good | :36:15. | :36:25. | |
:36:25. | :36:27. | ||
thing is bonkers. Are we allowed to say that? Allegedly bonkers! Well, | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
I imagine that won't be the last time Scorsese is celebrated! | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
Talking of massively influential figures, yesterday was the 20th | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
anniversary of the death of the seminal novelist Angela Carter. We | :36:35. | :36:41. | |
asked Jeanette Winterson to explain just why she was so important. | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
Angela Carter was exciting, when she published The Magic Toyshop in | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
1967 she was writing her way past the social realism that seemed to | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
be the purpose and method of fiction after its brief modernistic | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
experiment from the likes of Joyce and Wolfie. Experiment which tried | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
to do more than reproduce recognisable situations, and | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
experiment with language and our unconscious, dreaming self. The | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
novel was back to what it could see, there was not much interest in what | :37:15. | :37:22. | |
it could be. Sure, there was Marcus and Calvisano, but British writers | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
in the Sixties played it straight, think Kingsley Amos, or Iris | :37:28. | :37:37. | |
Murdoch. Elsewhere, science fiction writers could get away with | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
alternatives because they were alternative. But cross- | :37:42. | :37:48. | |
fertilisation was not happening. Then along came Angela Carter, and | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
landed into the colourful world of fairy-tales, themselves already | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
pollinated by a rich, irreverent tradition where women met with | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
waltz and men must take advice from cats. She shifted the novel into | :38:03. | :38:09. | |
this different geography of out of scale plays and non-linear time, | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
she re read fairy stories as though they were social realism and she | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
rewrote realism as fairy-tale. In the company of false, filmed by | :38:18. | :38:25. | |
Neil Jordan, her heroine prefers to reshape as a wolf and live with her | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
hunted off lover rather than a return to social acceptability and | :38:29. | :38:38. | |
the nice husband. Her most glorious creation in the Nights At The | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
Circus. Is a giantess who claims to be hatched from an egg and hatches | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
wings. Angela Carter was a feminist but believed women were more than | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
the circumstances, we could be our imaginations. This put her at odds | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
with quite in lot of 1970s feminist thinking which was only interested | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
in gender experience. Angela Carter's politics included a | :38:59. | :39:08. | |
radical wildness, a woman as mythical and magical -- woman as | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
the mythical, magical and dangerous creature. She wrote as if women | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
could fly, should fly and as if language and storytelling were | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
themselves wings to hoist women over the kitchen sink and the way | :39:19. | :39:26. | |
from our domestic dramas and dismal histories. -- away. This was not | :39:26. | :39:36. | |
:39:36. | :39:40. | ||
romantic escapism, but eight re- -- a. Well, that's about all for | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
tonight. Thanks to my guests Mark Thomas and Hannah McGill, Denise | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
Mina and Sarfraz Manzoor. Remember, as ever, you can find out more on | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
all tonight's items on our website, and we'll be tweeting wisdom | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
throughout the week. Sarfraz will be scrutinising tonight's tweets in | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
the Green Room in a second. Next week I'll be here with a stellar | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
line-up including Brian Cox and Mark Millar to discuss the runners | :40:00. | :40:06. | |
and riders in this year's Oscars. In the meantime, at the end of a | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
week that saw the loss of a musical legend we hear from a rising star | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
of the new generation, as part of our new partnership with BBC | :40:14. | :40:24. | |
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Introducing. Here's Ruby Goe with I keep my gaze on you. I see my | :40:40. | :40:50. | |
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mood and colours, something I can't When I ask for one thing, the | :41:15. | :41:25. | |
others prevail. When I wish for blue skies, the heavens open up. | :41:25. | :41:35. | |
:41:35. | :41:38. | ||
You with Perris just my luck... -- you with her is just my luck... | :41:38. | :41:48. | |
Rushing like thunder, twisted realisation it was always you, | :41:48. | :41:58. | |
:41:58. | :42:03. | ||
What could have been, what should have been, now why is it when I | :42:03. | :42:13. | |
call heads, it is always tales? And when I ask for one thing, the other | :42:13. | :42:21. | |
thing prevails. And when I wish for blue skies, the heavens open up. | :42:21. | :42:31. | |
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