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This programme contains scenes which some viewers

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Tonight Crimewatch is back with a special programme devoted to

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hundreds of thousands of child sexual abuse cases that continue to

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shock the nation. It's not just yesterday, it's today, it never

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leaves you. Exclusive access to the detectives tracking abusers down we

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will see justice served at first hand. It doesn't matter how long ago

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these offences were committed, they can go to the police and it will be

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investigated. Will hear from the survivors at the heart of it. It

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might have been 40 years to get there but we got him in the end. And

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will be live the specialist confidential call centre where

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survivors can call in and tell their stories. It is time to fight back.

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Live for the next hour, this is Catching The Abusers, a Crimewatch

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special. Good evening and welcome to a new

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series of Crimewatch. Tonight we have a special episode dedicated to

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tackling child sex abuse. You can't have missed recent revelations about

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abuse in football. Of course the problem goes much further than

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sport. And although many of the crimes we are looking at tonight

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happened decades ago, we believe there are people at home watching

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right now who have never spoken out about their experiences. Yes,

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tonight we are coming to you live from Shropshire. We have brought our

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mobile incident unit to this national centre of sporting

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excellence where today's leading sportsmen and sportswomen train to

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be the champions of tomorrow. It has been the home of sports the decades,

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the 1966 World Cup winning England squad trained here and many of our

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Olympic and Paralympic athletes have honed their skills using these

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world-class facilities. Today in places like this and in

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organisations across the UK the attitudes and safeguards around

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protecting children are very different from when much of the

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abuse to place. There's also more co-operation with the charities who

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as well as organising and advising on how to keep children safe also

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offer a point of contact for people who have been abused. Tonight we are

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working closely with the NSPCC who put in place a specialist call

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centre operation in Salford. John Kay is there. John? Yes, as well as

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detectives standing by for your calls on the normal Crimewatch

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number tonight there's another number you can ring if you've been

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affected by these issues or if you are a survivor of child sex abuse.

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If that is you, there are 35 specially trained counsellors from

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the NSPCC in this room, waiting for your call this evening. They will

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listen to you in complete confidence, they can offer you

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support, guidance, advice, they can talk to you about how you might want

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to pass on your case to the police for further investigation. The

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number is on your screen now. 0808 800 5000. From 24 hours a day, seven

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days a week it is open, free to call from landlines and mobiles right

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across the UK. Thank you. Also tonight a round-up of other

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important appeals and the latest wanted faces and some shocking CCTV,

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including these masked women robbing a pensioner for his sandwiches. And

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this idiotic firestarter torched and industrial place. So what is the

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scale of child abuse we're talking about tonight? Operation Hydrant,

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the national operation coordinating on recent child abuse investigations

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across the UK has provided Crimewatch with the latest figures.

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They show that since the high-profile football abuse story

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broke in November a total of 1016 case referrals have been received by

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the team. So far 184 potential suspects have been identified and

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248 football clubs affected, meaning there are now 21 police forces

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across the UK actively investigating allegations of abuse in football. Of

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course we are not just talking about football. Currently schools,

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children's homes, religious institutions, sports venues, medical

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establishments and scud type groups or account for hundreds more

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allegations. In all, this means every single police force in the UK

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now has at least one live investigation into non-recent child

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sex abuse. The numbers are stark but behind all of these statistics are

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the survivors themselves, here are just a few of their stories. I never

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wanted my mum to have that image of what happened to me. The loneliest

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place in the world. If I said anything no one would believe me. It

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destroyed me. I tried to hide it. I do feel the truth has set me free.

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You haven't got to hide in a dark corner any more. It was never your

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fault. Oh, my God, it wasn't just me, I'm not on my own! Justice had

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been done, I was believed. Good evening ladies and gentlemen 's

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Mac, welcome to top of the Pops! -- good evening, ladies and gentlemen,

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welcome to top of the Pops. I thought, and just going to die,

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that's how violent it was, that's how rough it was. I had done really

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well in my exams, and my mum said she'd take me away so we ended up

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going to Jersey. Jimmy Savile came into the bar. It was quite exciting,

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this guy from TV. It was the next morning after breakfast that this

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other girl and I were going down to the beach and he was at the door of

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his van and called us over to take some photos. As soon as he grabbed

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me it did not feel right at all. He was sort of thrusting his leg

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between my legs and was very, very physical and took his first off and

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got me to stand behind him, and he said, did we want to see inside the

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van? He followed us in. And shut the door and locked the door. I never

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wanted my mum to have that image of what happened to me. I could not

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have gone to her and explained what had happened. I'm pretty glad that

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she never knew. People have misconceptions of children getting

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abused. They don't get the real violence of it. The real... Fear

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that someone gets left with. Decades later, when it was in the press, a

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couple of the women being interviewed, and I get a real sense

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that they were not just being believed -- I got a sense. I

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e-mailed ITN and said that I had been sexually assaulted by Savile

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and I had photographs. And then it really snowballed. I remember

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getting e-mails saying there are now 30 women and within a week it was

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100. It was massive, Seung-Yul Noh. Seeing that I was not the only one.

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Is not historical, it's yesterday, its two days ago. It never, ever

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leaves you. I had respect for him. The utmost respect, I wish I had

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not, then it wouldn't have hurt so bad. It was the statue of Jesus

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watching down on me. I thought I was going to go to hell for the rest of

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my life. You dare not tell because you know you will not be believed.

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If you do tell, you will be outcast. And it does ruin your life. I

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couldn't even see my children get their nappies changed, for gods sake

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because I felt disgusted, knowing inside what happened to me, I used

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to leave the room. Not nice, is it? I wanted to tell my daughter how

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much I loved her, kissed her, hold her, saying I love you so much. I

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couldn't. I urge anyone to come forward. Anyone. If I can save one

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person from the life I've had to lead I've done my job.

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You can't trust anybody. That has been the philosophy of my life. I

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started being abused by a family member from the edge of 223 onwards.

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I was told that if I said anything I would be taken away because nobody

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would believe me and I would never ever see any of my family again,

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which to a child, to tell them that is horrific. This person was

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supposed to look after me. He didn't.

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We had a teacher called Mr Kilgower. We were asked to come and read to

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him and you would go up and with his right hand he would creep up your

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leg, into my pants, the dread, you are there, and you are thinking

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please don't shout my name please don't shout my name. The headmaster

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told my dad I was making it all up. He just reiterated what my family

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member had said. Nobody will believe you. That unbeknown to me I was not

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the only victim. -- but unbeknown to me, I was not the only victim.

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When I was wrongly told that he'd got a guilty verdict I cried because

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it was relief at last. It might have been 40 years to get him fair but

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they got him in the end. He had blackmailed me, he had

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threatened me, he had got into my mind. I had aspirations to be a

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professional footballer from a very young age. I joined the boys club

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when I was sort of about 11 years old. The coach was very kind at

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first. I had no inclination of what was about to happen, he would take

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me into a room alone, he would pretend to be the physio but had no

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qualifications whatsoever. And then it started off by just touching. I

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was scared. He would say, I'll drive you home. Then on the way home, stop

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at car parks and perform sexual acts. He would say that if I didn't

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perform the acts then he would tell the scouts that I was no good, that

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my training was poor, which tore my heart.

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My saving grace was when I played football, I was out of his way. That

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white line was my saviour but I knew he could not get to me then.

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The scar it leaves his quite massive although you appear to be very

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outgoing or what ever but in, I was just dying. I couldn't find a way of

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speaking out and that is the reason why I am coming out and speaking

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now, to tell people, don't be ashamed, to live in silence like I

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did. The story is out there, people know about him. It is like a weight

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has been lifted. You can come out now and tell everyone now, don't be

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ashamed of it. It's not your fault, it was never your fault. You may

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blame yourself that it was never your fault. I am pleased that I

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spoke out. We've got a long way to go. But I do think the more things

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are spoken about, the more understanding, information is

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educational and without knowing, then how does anything change?

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Incredible stories, just heartbreaking there and we are here

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tonight coming live from Lilleshall, the national sports centre in shops.

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We have moved in and we are joined by a group of guests all of whom

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have strong connections to the subject matter is so let's start

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with Paul Stewart, a former Tottenham and England footballer.

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There is no suggestion that Lilleshall is connected to the

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cases, but what made you take part in the revelations in November. To

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encourage others to come forward. I knew that there was a lot of people

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that suffered the same abuse as I suffered when I was a child. I know

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how it impacts on your life and how it's not just the abuse as it is

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happening, but how it impacts the rest of your life and your family. I

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really wanted to speak out and tell my story because I wanted others to

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feel that they could come forward, seek help and not suffer like I

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suffered for many years. You found them that your abuser had died?

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That's correct. In truth, it probably had more of an effect on my

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family than it did on me, because my reasons for coming forward did not

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change, it was purely and simply to help others, so that they could deal

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with the abuse and know that there is help out there. And ultimately,

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go and seek help if that is what they needed. Ian is a campaigner and

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survivor of the use by teachers when you were at boarding school. It is

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people in authority we are talking about. Absolutely. It is abuse of

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power, not only sexual abuse, it is abuse of power and people in

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authority who had charge of children. As a survivor of abuse,

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because those who we are entrusted to abuse us, we really against

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authorities. We fight against it at every stage in our lives, which

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create huge issues for us growing up and turning into adults. Doctor

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Hansen is a clinical psychologist who specialises in abuse and trauma

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and works for the NSPCC. There was an appeal for people to come forward

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but for some it might not be that simple. I think it is fantastic that

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so many people are coming forward now and I'm sure they will continue

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to do so and in parallel with that, we have to recognise that it will

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not be the right decision for everyone to speak to the police. For

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some people, the fears will be too great and the costs will be too high

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and for those who do talk to the police, they will be needing to take

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it step-by-step and the police will have to be earning the trust of that

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survivor and show that they are taking it seriously and they are

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proactively investigating. Jane Molineaux, you are a sport England's

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strategic lead on young people, can we be sure that the sporting

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institutions have changed and people are safer? We cannot afford to be

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complacent and there are always things we can do to improve the

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system. Sport take safeguard very seriously now and they work hard

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with clubs on the ground and they have policies and procedures, there

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are welfare officers if anyone is not sure about something, they can

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talk to people who will listen to them, trusted people, we have also

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helped to set up with the NSPCC the child protection and support unit,

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the only unit of its kind in the world. As survivors, do you believe

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that that is working? Personally, no. Part of me, my direction has

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changed now. I am working with a group of survivors, former

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footballers with the FA who have assured us that they will listen to

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us, take on board what we are trying to do to make sure that safeguarding

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is paramount. So that it never happens to children again. What do

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you think, Ian? I think that all institutions that are involved in

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child protection are learning hard and fast lessons. It encourages me

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if people are being proactive, because it has been swept away and

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covered up for decades and it is endemic in our country. All I can

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say is we have to offer people opportunities to

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implement change for children. This is not about people like Paul and I,

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the damage is done to us, it is about future protection of future

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generations to come. You mentioned the damage, Ellie, you have worked

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with damage people and we should come back to the fact, what they

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suffer goes with them throughout their lives, very often. The way I

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would see it, if you are going through that incredibly traumatic

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and difficult experience, as a child, when you do not have a

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framework to understand it, you haven't got the coping skills of an

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adult, you find a way to survive it, you adapt and actually, that enables

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you to get through it but unfortunately, those adaptations can

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leave people with problems further down the line. I would see it as

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survival skills rather than damage as it were. Any advice to parents,

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Jane, how do they know where they are putting their child is safe?

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They need to ask some questions. If you take your child along to a

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sports club or activity, there are some simple questions to ask. Do you

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know anything about the person who is leading or supporting the

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session? Do they have the right qualifications? Either any

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procedures in place? And if the child has any concerns, who do they

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need to go to who will listen to them and give them advice and take

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it seriously? I would say you would never take a child and leave them in

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a field and walk away and yet you take them to a sports club or

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activity without knowing anything about the person leading them, so

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just ask some simple questions? Thank you very much indeed for

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joining us. Let's cross to John Kay who is in the specialist call centre

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in Salford. It is only a few minutes as they gave out the number of this

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special helpline for survivors of child sexual abuse and almost as

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soon as we gave out the number, the phones started ringing and I think

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every one of the 35 specially trained counsellors here are now on

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calls, talking to people, some of them speaking for the very first

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time about something that has happened to them. If that issue and

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you want to know what happens when you ring this NSPCC number, Sandra,

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talk us through it. You can talk to us, it is the first stage, it you do

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not have to give us your name, it is a conversation about what happened

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to you and what you would like to do next. We would like to know if other

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children are at risk and is there something we can do about that now.

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If the person who has abuse due has also abused other children or has

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been in a position of trust and responsibility, we need to make sure

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that the abuse stops. Although we have focused on

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historical child sexual abuse, you're keen to hear from people who

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might know what is going on now. We want to make sure that no child is

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abused. The helpline is here for anyone with a concern about a child

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or once some advice. Thank you very much. It is busy in here. This is

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the helpline number. Thank you. Still to come... An exclusive into

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how detectives brought a child abuser operating at one of Britain's

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most prestigious schools to justice. One of the complainants in this

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case, they have carried this around for 30 years and it has had a

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massive impact. Pat was a very popular teacher although he was a

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geography teacher, he also taught rowing and he spent a lot of times

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with boys. He was a classic groomer with children.

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We have got wanted faces a first starting with Myron Parker Lee.

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Detectives in the West Midlands would like to speak to him after a

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man was stabbed in October. The 19-year-old has a large scar on his

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forehead and he also has a tattoo of the word mum on his right wrist and

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he is known to have friends across the West Midlands and possibly in

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London. This is Neil Daniel Brennan and detectives stay he is very

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dangerous. He was jailed for attempted murder after stabbing a

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man multiple times at a party. He also calls himself Tom Ford and was

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released from prison on temporary licence but has gone on the run. He

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is a master of disguise. This picture on the left shows him last

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year and the CCTV image of him as well. He is known to stay in

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Cheshire, Bury and the Blakley area of Manchester. Faced number three is

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this man. The taxi driver was arrested over an allegation of rape

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and released on police bail but has not returned for further

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questioning. He is originally from Pakistan and has links to

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Manchester, Slough and across Surrey. Finally for now is

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31-year-old Michael Peter Martin. Police think he might have

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information about a plan to blow up a cash machine and they would like

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to speak to him. He has a scar above his left ear and links to Salford

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and across Lancashire. If you know where any of these people are,

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please get in touch. Calls are free from landlines and mobiles and we

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will go through the rest of the line up a little later.

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Outside a like -- nightclubber Manchester City centre and these men

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have been refused entry. A scuffle breaks out with the doormen. Watch

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the man with the distinctive top closely. He take something out of

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his waistband. And walks over to the doormen who is facing the other way.

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He then starts in the top his leg. The security man later needed five

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stitches to the stab wound. Who is this man in the bright jacket?

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Police need a name tonight. A woman is returning home late on a Friday

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night, completely unaware she is being followed. As she parks on her

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driveway, a group of men suddenly Ross towards her, terrified, she

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sounds horn for help. Her husband runs out from the house and tries to

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fight off the robbers but he is easily outnumbered. They struggle

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with his wife and eventually grabbed her handbag before fleeing. These

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lowlife thugs took around ?3000 in cash and the woman's bank cards but

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they also left badly shaken. Police want to speak to this man, who they

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believe was caught on camera using the stolen car at the next day. Who

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are they? Doncaster in South Yorkshire. A quad bike drives past,

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a car on the opposite side suddenly stops and you can just see its

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headlights as it does a 3-point turn in the road. It is waiting for

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another quad bike and as soon as he comes past, the car chases, trying

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to force it off the road and seconds later, they smash into a parked car.

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The quad bike rider suffered severe brain injuries and is still in

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hospital. Detectives would like to speak to the occupants of this car,

:29:11.:29:13.

seen at a petrol station earlier that evening as they may have vital

:29:14.:29:18.

information. Call now if you know anything about the crash which has

:29:19.:29:22.

left a family man with life-changing injuries. This pensioner is getting

:29:23.:29:33.

ready to open auroral petrol station in Norfolk but these two are lying

:29:34.:29:39.

in wait. As the 78-year-old goals to lift the shutters, they strike,

:29:40.:29:43.

punching the pensioner and dragging him to the floor. Police believe

:29:44.:29:48.

these thugs were women. They take his rucksack and one puts the boot

:29:49.:29:53.

in again. They beat up the work for his bike which had no cash, just his

:29:54.:30:00.

hat and his sandwich box in. Despicable, who are they?

:30:01.:30:08.

Look closely in the bottom left-hand corner, this bird's eye view shows a

:30:09.:30:14.

man smashing into an industrial unit in Buckinghamshire. As he spins into

:30:15.:30:19.

the warehouse we get a good look at his face. Do you recognise him? He

:30:20.:30:26.

sprays liquid from the bottle he's carrying all over the newspapers and

:30:27.:30:32.

magazines and then lights it. But he has not finished yet. On his way out

:30:33.:30:37.

he sets the loading area ablaze as well. The warehouse quickly goes up

:30:38.:30:41.

in flames, totally getting the building. Thankfully on this

:30:42.:30:48.

occasion no one was hurt but around ?30,000 worth of stock was

:30:49.:30:52.

destroyed. This dangerous firestarter needs to be caught. Name

:30:53.:31:05.

him. Call on the usual Crimewatch number, 0808 five 600 600 if you can

:31:06.:31:09.

name any one we have just shown or you can text us. Texts will be

:31:10.:31:16.

charged at your standard message rate. You can follow all of the

:31:17.:31:21.

developments during the programme on our live update web page. More cases

:31:22.:31:30.

the police are asking for your help with now. Starting with an urgent

:31:31.:31:37.

appeal to find this man, convicted murderer Sean Colin Walmsley. He

:31:38.:31:41.

escaped from three prison officers who were taking him to a hospital

:31:42.:31:45.

appointment in Liverpool on Tuesday last week. Two men believed to have

:31:46.:31:49.

a knife and gun threat and the officers and demanded his release.

:31:50.:31:53.

The murderer and his accomplices then escaped in this gold coloured

:31:54.:32:01.

Volvo. Detectives believe the car, with this registration, had been

:32:02.:32:05.

parked near Aintree Hospital earlier that day. Did you see that car or do

:32:06.:32:13.

you know anything about the escape? Detectives say Walmsley is dangerous

:32:14.:32:16.

having been convicted of a savage murder. If you see him don't

:32:17.:32:23.

approach, just call 999. Next some shocking images of eight-year-old

:32:24.:32:29.

Tommy Ward, brutally attacked at his home in Rotherham overnight on

:32:30.:32:33.

September 30 2015. He suffered horrific injuries and died five

:32:34.:32:37.

months later. Whoever attacked him that might still this cash box from

:32:38.:32:42.

his house. It was found dumped that his life savings of ?30,000 are

:32:43.:32:54.

still missing. They have stolen his life, stolen a grandfather from my

:32:55.:33:02.

kids and stolen my dad. We are just in a long dark tunnel and we don't

:33:03.:33:05.

see any light at the end of it at the moment. Tonight detectives

:33:06.:33:11.

hunting for Tommy's killer or killers want your help to identify

:33:12.:33:15.

the occupants of this car seen it near his home on the night of the

:33:16.:33:22.

attack. They believe it is a Saab 93. Do you know anything about who

:33:23.:33:26.

was in the car that night or that vehicle? Please call if you can

:33:27.:33:32.

help. Next a significant new development in the disappearance of

:33:33.:33:35.

a two-year-old who was shopping with the mum near the military base where

:33:36.:33:42.

the family lived in Germany on November 28 1981. It was her second

:33:43.:33:48.

birthday. Despite extensive police searches she has never been found.

:33:49.:33:53.

Today I could be a grandmother and I know nothing about that. I have

:33:54.:33:57.

missed my daughter growing up, Mr teenage years. On Mother's Day and

:33:58.:34:06.

always one card short. No detectives from the Royal Military Police need

:34:07.:34:10.

your help to identify this man. An eyewitness saw him carrying a small

:34:11.:34:14.

child into a greener saloon vehicle at the time of Katrice's

:34:15.:34:18.

disappearance. Do you recognise him know anyone similar who may have

:34:19.:34:23.

been in the area in 1981? If so, do get in touch. On Saturday, December

:34:24.:34:34.

12 2015, 56-year-old woman was found murdered at her home in

:34:35.:34:38.

Leicestershire. A vicious and seemingly motiveless attack on a

:34:39.:34:41.

devoted wife, mother and grandmother. Tonight police need

:34:42.:34:46.

your help to identify these four people seen on CCTV in home-field

:34:47.:34:51.

Avenue on the night of the murder. They are keen to stress that they

:34:52.:34:54.

are witnesses who might have information that will top the

:34:55.:34:58.

inquiry, not suspects. There's a Crimestoppers reward for information

:34:59.:35:03.

that leads to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for

:35:04.:35:13.

the murder. So, still to come tonight, an exclusive look at how

:35:14.:35:18.

detectives catch the child abusers who think they have got away with

:35:19.:35:25.

it. What we are really looking for our trophies, items they have kept

:35:26.:35:30.

that help them relive some of the offending. We went through every

:35:31.:35:35.

real, the fans and film of him with children carrying out exactly the

:35:36.:35:40.

acts that were described by the people who came forward. -- we found

:35:41.:35:48.

some film. More wanted faces starting with Lee Jason Stewart.

:35:49.:35:54.

Merseyside Police believe he may have vital information about the

:35:55.:35:58.

assault of a woman last year, he is a registered sex offender and has

:35:59.:36:00.

breached and auditor told police where he is living. He is 40 with a

:36:01.:36:05.

Liverpudlian accent and has links across the Wirral area. David Paul

:36:06.:36:12.

Garner, you may know him as David Harris or David Bray or David

:36:13.:36:16.

Martin. He was charged with a number of theft and fraud offences and

:36:17.:36:20.

failed to appear at Warwick Crown Court and is on the run. He is 36

:36:21.:36:25.

and you may have seen him across Sussex, Leicestershire or

:36:26.:36:28.

Warwickshire. Do you recognise this man? 33-year-old Omar Omar. This is

:36:29.:36:38.

an old photograph. He also uses many names. He was due to be sentenced at

:36:39.:36:42.

Bristol Crown Court on a drug dealing charge but did not turn up.

:36:43.:36:48.

Originally from Somalia he now has contacts in the Netherlands,

:36:49.:36:50.

Bristol, London and Leicester. And finally tonight we have this

:36:51.:37:01.

20-year-old, Radu Ion. Due to appear in court on a firearms offence, he

:37:02.:37:05.

didn't turn up, he has a Romanian accent and links to Essex, Leeds and

:37:06.:37:10.

London. He has a tattoo of a dragon emerging from an egg on his right

:37:11.:37:14.

arm. If you know where any of these faces are, get in touch me using the

:37:15.:37:19.

numbers on screen you can find all the details on our website along

:37:20.:37:23.

more people at the police need your help to locate. OK, we are just over

:37:24.:37:32.

halfway through our special programme. Let's see how things are

:37:33.:37:35.

going in the Salford call centre. John? Jeremy, tonight, as well as

:37:36.:37:41.

the normal Crimewatch appeal number we have a special helpline number

:37:42.:37:46.

for people who have been all are currently numbers of child sexual

:37:47.:37:49.

abuse. The number is on your screen now. 0808 800 5000. It's been busy

:37:50.:37:59.

tonight, more than 1000 calls tonight, some from people who have

:38:00.:38:04.

never spoken out before. Sandra is running the helpline, sorry to

:38:05.:38:09.

interrupt, what calls have you had? Allsorts, some from older people who

:38:10.:38:14.

haven't talked about abuse before, it's their first opportunity, they

:38:15.:38:17.

don't always want action taken they do want their stories heard and we

:38:18.:38:20.

are getting calls from people worried about children now or people

:38:21.:38:24.

abused in institutional settings. Thank you. That special number on

:38:25.:38:30.

your screen now, it goes on and on to the end of the programme, it goes

:38:31.:38:35.

on for 24 hours, seven days a week. As well as speaking to trained

:38:36.:38:40.

counsellors, callers to the NSPCC hotlines can ask for their case to

:38:41.:38:45.

be referred to police. Once detectives receive information about

:38:46.:38:52.

police, sometimes decades down the line, how do they investigated and

:38:53.:38:55.

bring the perpetrators to justice? For the first time ever the

:38:56.:38:59.

Operation Hydrant teams have allowed our cameras in to find out how they

:39:00.:39:01.

do it. From call to conviction. It makes you wonder, after 40 years,

:39:02.:39:35.

why you didn't say anything before. Harrowing to think that one person

:39:36.:39:44.

has ruined half your life. The most difficult thing with investigating

:39:45.:39:47.

these types of crimes is actually gaining the trust of the victim. A

:39:48.:39:54.

modern crime, we've got friends a the team that is, we've got CCTV but

:39:55.:40:03.

with this, that has all gone. Trying to remember something from 20 or 30

:40:04.:40:07.

years ago is a complex thing for somebody. Giving evidence is

:40:08.:40:13.

incredibly difficult. It does not matter who you are, when you are

:40:14.:40:16.

standing in that box you must feel incredibly alone. I was extremely

:40:17.:40:23.

anxious about being cross-examined. It was grim. It was really, really

:40:24.:40:25.

hard. A lot of people can't understand why

:40:26.:40:41.

the police spend so much time and money investigating historical

:40:42.:40:47.

allegations. For the complainants in this case they have carried this

:40:48.:40:51.

around for 30 years and it has had a massive impact. For the past two

:40:52.:40:59.

years, DC Kimmit Prosser has been working on the investigation into

:41:00.:41:03.

Patrick Marshall, a former teacher at the prestigious Saint Pauls

:41:04.:41:08.

School, London. Pat was a popular teacher, he was a geography teacher

:41:09.:41:12.

but also taught growing so he spent a lot of time with boys inside the

:41:13.:41:18.

school and also outside the school. A classic groomer of children. One

:41:19.:41:23.

of several former Saint Pauls teachers accused of abusing children

:41:24.:41:27.

between the 60s and the 90s. Two have already been found guilty.

:41:28.:41:37.

Investigations like this are overseen in the UK by Operation

:41:38.:41:44.

Hydrant. Its role as of again that it assesses forces nationally to

:41:45.:41:49.

coordinate investigations. Their priority is making sure children

:41:50.:41:53.

today are not at risk from named abuses. Take it on 20 years and are

:41:54.:41:58.

they still have access to children, grandchildren, new families, new

:41:59.:42:02.

clubs they are involved in? Then it is over to the detectives to

:42:03.:42:07.

investigate. You looking for co-operation. The consistency. And

:42:08.:42:12.

with historical cases finding that co-operation is one of the real

:42:13.:42:17.

challenges. A good example of work or a bridge of evidence has been

:42:18.:42:21.

very powerful in prosecution is where the victim mentioned that the

:42:22.:42:25.

offender had written telephone numbers on the wall. Years later,

:42:26.:42:32.

the same premises were visited, the wallpaper was removed, and those

:42:33.:42:36.

telephone numbers were still there. It's things like that that can be

:42:37.:42:43.

very, very powerful in proving that the offence took place. But the

:42:44.:42:51.

drive to gather that proof has not always been the police's top

:42:52.:42:56.

priority. Historically police forces may have looked at an account of

:42:57.:43:01.

non-recent sexual abuse and just thought, it is too hard to

:43:02.:43:04.

investigate this so we are not going to. I have pushed and pushed and

:43:05.:43:09.

pushed so that people would investigate. I kind of thought that

:43:10.:43:17.

it would have been an easy process. Between the ages of nine and 13, Ian

:43:18.:43:22.

McFadyen suffered systematic abuse and even rape at the hands of a

:43:23.:43:26.

number of his teachers at Caldicot School, Buckinghamshire. You can

:43:27.:43:32.

feel your heart beating through your clothes. You can feel every breath

:43:33.:43:38.

you are taking. Just the terror, but I didn't know what was going on. I

:43:39.:43:42.

used heroin for the first time when I was 12, and my life from 13 until

:43:43.:43:52.

probably 30 has been a maelstrom of drug and alcohol abuse. If a

:43:53.:43:59.

survivor had the drugs and alcohol problem, they were emotionally numb

:44:00.:44:03.

about what had happened or if they had a chaotic lifestyle all of these

:44:04.:44:08.

things were seen to be kind of black marks against that victim rather

:44:09.:44:13.

than being understood as very normal consequences of the abuse

:44:14.:44:18.

experienced. I think it is fair to say that police have dramatically

:44:19.:44:23.

improved their approach to the investigation of sexual abuse.

:44:24.:44:30.

Police are becoming better informed. They are better educated about

:44:31.:44:34.

people such as myself in the way I behave. When the police take a

:44:35.:44:38.

survivor centred approach it is a win - win situation, best for the

:44:39.:44:42.

survivor and also helps police gather their best evidence and

:44:43.:44:43.

increase the chance of conviction. At the net it is the day before

:44:44.:44:54.

Patrick Marshall's trial is due to start. I will bring the last few

:44:55.:45:02.

bits down the stairs. A lot of the work is done behind-the-scenes. I

:45:03.:45:04.

think in this case, we must've come up with about 800 documents and each

:45:05.:45:12.

one of them has to be read. Many of these were sourced from the St

:45:13.:45:17.

Paul's School archive. We have to help the police in every way we can

:45:18.:45:22.

to ensure that justice is done. What we thought they'd might lead -- need

:45:23.:45:28.

for personnel files but in fact it was much of the detail of the

:45:29.:45:32.

activities that were going on in the school in the 1970s and 1980s that

:45:33.:45:37.

enabled the police to authenticate and verify the testimony that they

:45:38.:45:41.

were receiving. We were lucky enough to be able to draw on pupils Leavers

:45:42.:45:48.

cards which would hold a whole host of information and one of those

:45:49.:45:55.

cards was invaluable in our trial. The message is really clear, it is

:45:56.:46:00.

not for you to bring the evidence to the police. Our job is to look for

:46:01.:46:04.

things that may corroborate it and to seek the truth. DIA Paul Brown

:46:05.:46:16.

led the investigation into Barry Warren, a scoutmaster in King's Lynn

:46:17.:46:21.

during the 1970s and 1980s. Mr Warren had a boat on the Broads and

:46:22.:46:25.

he would invite children from the Scout group to have a weekend away

:46:26.:46:30.

on the boat. You would not ever think there was a dark side to him

:46:31.:46:36.

at all. In fact, Warren was systematically grooming the children

:46:37.:46:41.

in his care. He would embark upon games with the children. He had a

:46:42.:46:46.

particular day game were tears would start moving into a very sexual

:46:47.:46:53.

area. By the time police came to investigate, it was more than 20

:46:54.:46:57.

years later but there were striking similarities between his accusers

:46:58.:47:02.

accounts. They were all giving those accounts independently and some

:47:03.:47:06.

years later and we started to draw some key similar factors out of that

:47:07.:47:11.

and one of those was this orange jumper. Warren's victim said he wore

:47:12.:47:16.

the jumper while he abused them. Barry was really clear and he

:47:17.:47:20.

described them as fanciful allegations made up by some children

:47:21.:47:26.

with very vivid imaginations. But then detectives searched his home.

:47:27.:47:39.

What we were really looking for work trophies, items that they have kept

:47:40.:47:43.

that help them relive some of the offending is. They found a

:47:44.:47:45.

photograph of Warren wearing the orange jumper and the hair gave his

:47:46.:47:48.

victims described. They also seized dozens of reels of silly films. We

:47:49.:47:52.

went through every real and we found some film of Barry with some

:47:53.:47:56.

children carrying out the exactly the same acts described by witnesses

:47:57.:48:03.

who came forward. Sadly, the victims caught on film have never been

:48:04.:48:08.

identified. Just some of the many survivors of abuse who have not yet

:48:09.:48:09.

come forward. It makes you wonder, after 40 years,

:48:10.:48:29.

why you didn't say anything before and it is harrowing to think that

:48:30.:48:37.

one person has ruined sort of half your life. Warren was not the only

:48:38.:48:42.

offender to leave evidence of his crimes. Diaries, notes and even

:48:43.:48:48.

hospital blueprints have all been used to link child abusers to the

:48:49.:48:51.

crimes they thought were consigned to the past. Let you if anything

:48:52.:49:04.

happens. See you later. Goodbye. The jury is out in the trial of Patrick

:49:05.:49:10.

Marshall, a former teacher at St Paul's School, London. I'm not

:49:11.:49:13.

anxious for myself but I have got 12 people who are incredibly anxious

:49:14.:49:18.

about the result and I think you just take an the anxiousness for

:49:19.:49:27.

them. This trial in particular really took over my life for

:49:28.:49:33.

probably a period of about eight months and I just think it was so

:49:34.:49:37.

important that we did everything right. Two days later, the verdict

:49:38.:49:43.

is in. Patrick Marshall was found guilty on all 25 charges.

:49:44.:49:53.

I am absolutely thrilled. Today is definitely the right result, it was

:49:54.:50:06.

the right verdict. The nature of the case just reinforced that sense of

:50:07.:50:11.

shock and what an appalling act that was. Hearing them in quick

:50:12.:50:19.

succession, guilty, guilty, guilty, there was an almost instantaneous

:50:20.:50:22.

response I felt for weight being lifted. When someone has gone

:50:23.:50:26.

through their life fearing they will not be relieved, to finally find

:50:27.:50:31.

that you are and that people cared that it happened to you and are

:50:32.:50:37.

outraged that it happened to you, back and have a profound impact. I

:50:38.:50:40.

encourage you to step forward and speak out. It is my silence that

:50:41.:50:51.

maintained my abuser's safety. We are now at a moment where we are

:50:52.:50:58.

facing sexual abuse in a way we not done and over riding our desire to

:50:59.:51:01.

turn away is the desire to acknowledge, to make amends to do

:51:02.:51:06.

something different, to actually tackle this problem. Even though

:51:07.:51:09.

these offences happened such a long time ago, just to know that if they

:51:10.:51:16.

come to the police, it will be taken seriously and they will be listened

:51:17.:51:24.

to. Well, Chief Constable Simon Bailey who is in charge of Operation

:51:25.:51:30.

Hydrant is with me now along with Professor Mark Bailey, no relation,

:51:31.:51:33.

who is the current high master of St Paul's School that was featured in

:51:34.:51:38.

that film. What would you say to a school that finds itself in the

:51:39.:51:43.

position that you did? First of all, support the police and help them as

:51:44.:51:48.

much as possible to ensure that justice is done. Secondly, when it

:51:49.:51:53.

is appropriate to reach out to survivors and to apologise and to

:51:54.:51:58.

learn from them and thirdly, just make sure that the safeguarding that

:51:59.:52:01.

you have in your school, at the present time is as safe as it can

:52:02.:52:08.

possibly be. Our children safe in schools now than they were 30 years

:52:09.:52:13.

ago? Yes, there is a national framework of safeguarding that

:52:14.:52:17.

compels all schools to train staff, to educate children and to ensure

:52:18.:52:23.

the safer recruitment, so the systems are so much stronger than

:52:24.:52:27.

they were 30 years ago and the key thing is to create a culture in

:52:28.:52:31.

which children feel able to talk, that staff are alert and aware to

:52:32.:52:38.

signs of abuse and it reduces the risk and increases the deterrent of

:52:39.:52:43.

paedophiles operating in schools. We have heard about school is changing

:52:44.:52:46.

and football clubs and the police have had to change as well. There

:52:47.:52:50.

has been a fundamental change since 2012, after Jimmy Savile, there is

:52:51.:52:52.

no doubt that we have put in place has

:52:53.:53:15.

improved the all in all comprehension and I am delighted and

:53:16.:53:18.

credit must go to all those officers who are dealing with cases like the

:53:19.:53:20.

ones you have heard this evening. The cases that will inevitably come

:53:21.:53:24.

on as a result of the programme, they have to deal with it on a daily

:53:25.:53:28.

basis. When you get a conviction it is not necessarily be end of the

:53:29.:53:32.

story. Nope. It is quite often the case that further victims will have

:53:33.:53:38.

the confidence and courage to come forward and report the abuse of the

:53:39.:53:42.

person who has been convicted and we have to deal with that. Things are

:53:43.:53:46.

changing. Yes. There can be no guarantees but as long as there is

:53:47.:53:51.

greater awareness and alertness, then the chance of early

:53:52.:53:54.

intervention are much higher. Thank you both very much. With that in

:53:55.:53:59.

mind, please take a look at these images. This is 70-year-old Mark

:54:00.:54:05.

Frost a retired English teacher. He used to go by the name of Andrew

:54:06.:54:09.

Tracy. Last month he was jailed for life after admitting 45 sex offences

:54:10.:54:14.

against young boys in England and Thailand but the National Crime

:54:15.:54:17.

Agency are convinced that there are still more victims out there, many

:54:18.:54:21.

of whom may never have spoken about what happened to them. They have set

:54:22.:54:26.

up a dedicated helpline and are now encouraging any other victims to get

:54:27.:54:29.

in touch, to get the support and help they need. The freephone number

:54:30.:54:41.

to call is on screen now. There is more information on the website

:54:42.:54:44.

about other organisations that can offer help and advice. Any victims

:54:45.:54:48.

of crime can speak to the victim support. Let's have a final check on

:54:49.:54:56.

the latest from the call centre in Salford. They say they have been

:54:57.:55:01.

overwhelmed by the number of calls they have had in here over the last

:55:02.:55:05.

hour. Hundreds of calls already talking about abuse that has

:55:06.:55:10.

happened to people in care homes, in schools, throughout education, even

:55:11.:55:14.

within families. Some of those cases go back a long way and some people

:55:15.:55:17.

saying that they want those cases to go onto the police for further

:55:18.:55:22.

investigation. Remember, if you're waiting to get through, this is a

:55:23.:55:26.

24-hour helpline. You can call tomorrow if you like. The number is

:55:27.:55:29.

on screen now. They say they are ready to take your

:55:30.:55:41.

call when you are ready to talk. Thank you we just have time for a

:55:42.:55:46.

quick update on the other cases. Earlier we saw truly shocking images

:55:47.:55:53.

of this attack. You any closer to finding Tommy's killers? A number of

:55:54.:55:59.

people have called in. If you are sitting on yourself and you have

:56:00.:56:03.

that information, knowing what has happened to Tommy, then please bring

:56:04.:56:10.

us. In regards to the CCTV, I need to know who owned that Saab car and

:56:11.:56:16.

who was in that vehicle. I am urging the public to contact us. There is a

:56:17.:56:21.

?10,000 reward leading to the arrest and conviction of the offenders for

:56:22.:56:25.

this nasty attack on this innocent and vulnerable man. Thank you very

:56:26.:56:32.

much. This woman was murdered in her own home, a seemingly motiveless

:56:33.:56:37.

attack, have you had any information? I would appeal to

:56:38.:56:40.

people who had further information to give us a call. We are keen to

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identify their four males seen walking up the road. Keep those

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calls coming in. That is just about all we have for you on what has been

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really quite a remarkable night. We have heard about some of the worst

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crimes imaginable but it has been incredible. We will see how many

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people have called in for the first time. It will help bring more

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offenders to justice. Details of organisations helping -- offering

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help with child sexual abuse are available online. You can call free

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at any time to hear recorded information as well. Remember, you

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can head over right now to the Crimewatch website where we will be

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streaming live that all the latest developments on tonight's appeals.

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Next week we are investigating the madness on our roads, why is it that

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when so many of us get behind the wheel, we lose the plot? Normally

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mild mannered people are prepared to be aggressive behind the wheel. They

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have got so cross that they feel they have to do something.

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Unfortunately what they are doing is using two tonnes of metal to express

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their frustration. That is coming next week, Monday, live at nine

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o'clock on BBC One. For now, thank you so much for all of your calls,

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they really do make a difference. From everyone here in Lilleshall and

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the team in Salford, goodbye.

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