Browse content similar to Bollywood and Beyond: A Century of Indian Cinema. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!
Line | From | To | |
---|---|---|---|
Indian cinema is now over 100 years old. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
And from humble beginnings, it's gone on to become the largest, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
most diverse film industry in the world. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Reflecting the hopes and dreams of a nation. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
That's what's probably unique about Indian cinema. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
That...it has hope in it. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
Who? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
You. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
We rely heavily on emotions. We're an emotional country. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
That's what our nation relies on. Our hope is based on emotions. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:35 | |
I love cinema, I've always loved cinema, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
and for me cinema is the greatest art. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
And Indian cinema, I think, is particularly unique. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
MAN: How disgusting! | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
-ALL: -How disgusting. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
In this film I'll see the hopefuls and the people who train them. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
And hunt down some of the biggest stars in the industry. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
My journey will take me across India | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
and lead me all the way back to London. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Now, in the time that we have, this is a bit of a whistle-stop tour | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
through the films that I think define Indian film | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
and also what makes it unique. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
If you haven't seen a Bollywood film before, they're known for | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
their song and dance routines and spectacular action. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
Rathore. Vikram Rathore. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
But now a new wave of art house films | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
and independent hits have made India a serious global player, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
and business is booming. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
I see this business going through an exponential shift | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
over the next few years. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
This really is a golden age of Indian cinema. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Don't angry me. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
Thank you. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
My experience of going to the cinema in the '60s was with my parents, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:16 | |
with my family, on a Friday, Saturday or a Sunday, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
our family, and 40,000 others, which means about three Indian families, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:26 | |
all descended on these three cinemas in the centre of Southall. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:32 | |
And there were queues... | 0:02:32 | 0:02:33 | |
I should explain that in a queue, I guess in the West, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:39 | |
means an ordered line of people... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
..just chatting and looking at their watches waiting to go in. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
A queue in Indian terms means, "Let's go!" | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
And everybody is one little aperture, it's like a funnel, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
and everyone just pressing in, and that's what it was like. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
We would get in, we would get our seats | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
and there would be laps on laps on laps. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
Health and safety didn't exist at that point. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
It was just, pack as many people as you can into the cinema hall. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
And the reason why people like me | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
and families, and particularly kids, kept on going back was that | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
Hindi movies for us was the closest we got to a cultural injection | 0:03:17 | 0:03:24 | |
from the land of our ancestors. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
If you want to get under the skin of the Indian film industry | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
you have to start here in Mumbai, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
the home of Bollywood cinema. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
Every time I visit I'm surprised by the sheer pace of change. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
Elaborate towers reach ever higher | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
and this city more than any other projects India's global ambition. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
And even after all these years, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
the city is still clearly obsessed my movies, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
their stars and fairy-tale lifestyles. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
They don't call it the City of Dreams for nothing. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
You don't have to look hard for examples | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
of how devoted Indians are to cinema. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Take the Big B for instance. Amitabh Bachchan, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
affectionately known as the Big B, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
is without doubt the biggest movie star on Earth. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
It's a position he's enjoyed for nearly four decades | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
and demonstrates more clearly than anything | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
the amazing power that cinema has in India. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
I'm making my way across town to the starry Mumbai suburb of Juhu, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
where the great man lives. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
We've heard that on Sundays | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
when he's in town, there's always a crowd outside his house, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
but on Sundays he comes out and gives little... | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
people blessings to the fans. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
We're outside Amitabh Bachchan's gate. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Now, as you can see, I'm not the only person who knows that | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
he's going to be here. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
Hundreds of people have made the pilgrimage to Amitabh's house. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
TRANSLATION: We've been standing here for three hours. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Braving temperatures in excess of 40 degrees | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
in the hope of a glimpse of their idol. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Some of them have come literally from thousands of miles away, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
all over India, to come over here to catch a glimpse of him. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
I mean, this is kind of...demigod worship exemplified. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
We've been here about half an hour now | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
and the crowd's really built up. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
It must have been like this outside Graceland. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
I can't think of anywhere else that | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
people would gather outside this sort of way. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
And there for just a few seconds is the man himself. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
It would be impossible to believe that none of us have had failure | 0:06:19 | 0:06:25 | |
in our lives and that all of us have had continued success all our lives. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
It's difficult to comprehend the level of devotion | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
that Indians bestow upon stars like the Big B. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
But thankfully Anupama Chopra, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
an industry insider with her own movie review show, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
has agreed to give me a window into this crazy world. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
Why in India are the movie stars so worshipped? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
You know, I had in fact done a long feature for The New York Times | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
on exactly this. The sort of devotion and the praise | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
and, you know, some guy walking from somewhere in Utter Pradesh to | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
Bombay because that is a form of penance that God make him, OK. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
Where do you see this? It's impossible. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
I don't think Brad Pitt has this. I don't think Tom Cruise has this. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
It's just these people. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
And so I try to explore exactly this, that | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
what makes us so crazy about movie stars? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
And one hypothesis is that the early films were all mythologicals | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
and costume dramas and many of them were about religious subjects | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
where you literally saw stars as gods. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
And those were the first few years of Hindi cinema. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
To get to the bottom of how Indian movie stars reached their | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
present day demigod status, we need to start 100 years ago | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
in the silent era. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
Raja Harishchandra, made in 1913, is thought to be the first | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Indian movie and was a tale of gods and goddesses, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
which established the format for the new medium. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
But little has survived to the present day. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
And so the best place to start is the National Film Archive in Pune. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
Here a small but dedicated group of archivists struggle to | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
preserve the few surviving examples of early Indian cinema. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
The founder of the archive, PK Nair, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
recalls the romance to early visits to the cinema. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
I watched the movie inside the cinema hall by sitting on the floor. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
Floor means it's filled with sand, white sand from the beach. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
And the chai wallah and the others | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
used to come every ten minutes | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
because the interval was there, it was single projector. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
So there used to be a number of intervals. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
So they used to come every now and then | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
and offer you tea or coffee or whatever it is. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Because early negatives and prints contain silver, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
many were stripped of their precious metal and lost for ever. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
Then in 2003 a fire at the National Archive tragically wiped out | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
many of the prints that PK Nair had painstakingly collected. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
One precious survivor is the 1943 film Kismet. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
It's the story of a pickpocket who falls in love. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
And in its day proved a massive hit, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
giving India its first superstar, Ashok Kumar. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
For the first time movie stars were calling the shots. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
The first company of note at that time was a company called | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Bombay Talkies. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
And this was formed primarily by two people, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Himanshu Rai and Devika Rani, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
who were both stars of the screen at that time. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
So in a way the closest equivalent I guess in America would be | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
United Artists. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
And these guys would be like Douglas Fairbanks and Charlie Chaplin | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
and people like that. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
Actors who had formed their own studio. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
The early talkies were more than just popular entertainment. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
In the run up to Indian independence, films like Kismet | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
sent a very clear message. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
While India was still under British rule there were censorship | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
restrictions on what can be filmed and what can be said on screen. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
But clever film-makers could see the enormous appeal of the new medium | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
and found neat ways around the censor. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
They told censors at that time, "This is a war film. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
"It promoted the effort for the war." | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
So that is why they got this exemption. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
So they managed to put in an anti-British song | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
-in effect paid for by the British? -Yeah. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
That's quite clever, isn't it? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Whilst on the surface the protest songs in Kismet | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
were aimed at the Japanese invader, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
the spirit of resistance they represent was aimed directly | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
at India's colonial masters. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
The audience knew it was meant for the British. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
That is the greatness of the film. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
So it seems that from the very beginning, songs which appealed to | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
the common man played a central role in Indian cinema. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
What is the purpose of the song, the musical number in Hindi film? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
Songs have always been the part of a dramatic narrative. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:59 | |
This has been millennium old tradition in our country. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
And that is what the cinema inherited. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
The very first talkie that we made was Alam Ara. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
It had, fasten your seatbelt, 50 songs. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
-50?! -Yes. 5-0. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
But the song used to be two minutes long. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
But it had 50 songs. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
So there was never any confusion that whether we will have songs | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
or we won't have songs. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
Simple lyrics loaded with a nationalist pride of a new republic | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
was a sure way of capturing the public's imagination, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
and film-makers who chose the right songs | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
could ensure their movies became hits. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Raj Kapoor had a very canny ear for picking a good song | 0:12:46 | 0:12:52 | |
and a catchy song. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
Like the one from Shree 420 - Mera Joota Hai Japani. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
The kind of films he made, I don't think anyone can do that today. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
Why is that? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
I think because they were so simple. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
And now suddenly everything is like snazzy, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
there's computer graphics, songs, there's expensive costumes, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
lavish sets. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Whereas back in the day when films like Boot Polish and Awara, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
even Bobby for that matter, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
simple love story that just stormed the nation. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
A simple storyline with basic technique of shooting. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
Raj Kapoor was one of the brightest stars | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
of the newly independent India. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
In Shree 420, which he also produced and directed, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
he plays the lead character. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
With more than a passing resemblance to Chaplin's Little Tramp, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
he proved hugely popular | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
and the film remains influential to this day. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
Before starting any film of mine... | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
and now even today... | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
I see his one film Shree 420. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
I've seen that film more than 200 times. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Because that film made in '50s or '60s, is today's film. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:31 | |
Now, the interesting thing about Raj Kapoor as a film-maker is that | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
what he did was he made populist film, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
he made films that had social messages, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
but as a creator of film he got to understand | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
what every department on a film does. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
He understood the process like no other film-maker. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
Raj Kapoor was amongst the first stars to establish their own studio. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
In the process, began a dynasty that still rules the industry. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
One of his granddaughters, Kareena, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
is amongst India's most popular stars today. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
I was wondering, when you were a kid, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
at what point did you become aware that you were part of this dynasty? | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
Well, I don't know. I don't think I was aware as such | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
because I think everyone in the family for us | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
it was like, it's a job, a passion that has become a job. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:23 | |
So no-one really took success or being movie stars | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
or big directors or producers or actors very seriously. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
It was just something that we loved doing. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
That was always the atmosphere that was around. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
And, for me, I don't think I ever thought of anything else | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
apart from just becoming a movie star. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
I think that while I was in my mother's stomach | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
I think I was ready to dance and sing | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
and just kind of take off into the Indian film industry. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
It's in my DNA. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
In India we still have joint families here. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
Like, my son stays with me. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
There is more closeness, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
so I feel that that is a strength of the family. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
To be close and work together. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
We Indians are made in that manner. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
Kapoor's leading lady, Nargis, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
would also go on to become movie royalty, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
and the role which would propel her into cinema history | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
was her portrayal of the iconic Indian mother | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
in one of the most influential Indian films of all time - | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Mother India. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
It's an incredibly moving film about a young widow | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
who struggles to bring up her two children, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
finding hope in the face of abject poverty. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Mother India the film, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:46 | |
I don't remember how many times I've seen it in my school days. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
And the character Birju left a very deep impact on me, and the mother. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
Mother traditionally has been respected, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
worshipped in our society. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Mother is a god. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
You can't say that, "Once upon a time there was a bad god." | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
So you can't say that, "Once upon a time there was a bad mother." | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
So if you are praising the mother, admiring her, worshipping her, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
nobody can question you. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
So that is a totally bankable character, as a matter of fact. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
You can put your last shirt on it. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
Mother India, I would say, is a very beautiful performance, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
but Mother India started this image of suffering women | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
because they were constantly looking out for the family | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
and sacrificing themselves for the family. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
They were the suffering wife, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
the all-forgiving mother, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
the sacrificing sister | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
and what have you. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:49 | |
The decision-making roles always went to the man. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
If not the hero, then the villain. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
He was the more powerful of the lot. Women were the good person. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
We didn't live as an individual. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Modernity is about the individual. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
And they never put themselves before the family or the community. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:13 | |
It wasn't until the 1950s that women started to become represented | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
in a more sophisticated way, with the rise of what became known as | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
parallel cinema or what we might call art house. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
It was with the advent of parallel cinema that you started seeing | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
women in greater complexity and maybe having shades of grey | 0:18:31 | 0:18:39 | |
and certainly having a more independent voice. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
The '50s gave rise to the film-maker. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
So we had people who were cinema literate | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
who were making films in India. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
These were kind of film-makers who were very aware and influenced | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
by films from around the world and particularly from the West. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
So we had people like Guru Dutt, who made classic films like Pyaasa | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
and Kaagaz Ke Phool. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
And he was influenced by people like Orson Welles, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
and you can see it in his framing. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
The godfathers of Indian parallel cinema, auteurs like Guru Dutt, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
were convinced that cinema has a power | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
that goes far beyond mere entertainment. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
Despite a tragically short life and career, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
Guru Dutt left an enduring legacy. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
These are the people who have proved beyond any doubt | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
that it was possible to make an extremely aesthetic, nice, sensible, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
intelligent film which can do great box office. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
They have done it again and again. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
Pyaasa was a very big hit. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
Pyaasa, or "thirst", is the tragic tale of the life and loves | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
of a struggling poet. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
Guru Dutt stars and directs in a film that is thought to be | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
at least partly based on his own experiences. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
And it's so beautifully made that it is commonly regarded | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
as one of the greatest films of all time. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
He could talk through visuals. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
If you watch Guru Dutt's films, you can see the film was possible | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
only with this kind of visual. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Pyaasa, the script, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
could have fallen flat on its face with an inferior director. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
Another leading light of parallel cinema was Satyajit Ray. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
And in Apur Sansar, he launched the career of Sharmila Tagore, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
then just 13 years old. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
The first day's shooting was Apu gets married. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
He goes to this village and his friend takes him | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
and he somehow has to marry this girl and he brings her back. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
And Apu and Aparna, that's my character, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
are waiting outside. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
And then Ray's voice rang out. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
He said, "Start sound. Camera. Action." | 0:21:15 | 0:21:22 | |
And Soumitra opens the door and walks in | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
and looks at me and says, "Come in." | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Means come in. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
And I cross the threshold, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
walk in and then he tells me, "Walk forward." | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
I look up, "Look towards your right, raise your shoulder, sigh. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:45 | |
"Cut. Excellent. Next shot." | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
And then very soon after that we did that shot that everybody raves about | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
when I go to the window. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
And overwhelmed with everything that's happened, I start crying | 0:22:00 | 0:22:06 | |
and then there is a child and the mother playing downstairs. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
So I look through a torn curtain. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
Everybody has raved about that shot. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Apparently it's the perfect framing, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
and it's like Mona Lisa, from whichever angle you see that. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
The World Of Apu would go on to become a hugely influential trilogy | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
and gave Satyajit Ray his rightful place in | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
the firmament of world cinema. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
But this low-key realist cinema was a far cry from what | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
Indian cinemagoers were accustomed to. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
At that time, acting was very theatrical. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
I mean, usually what we saw, it was a bit OTT. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
He wanted to actually use the medium because he was hugely influenced by | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
the European directors and Hollywood, so he had a different concept. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:11 | |
And he created a bridge between his beloved Bengal | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
and the rest of the world, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
but didn't reach out to the other parts of India. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
It's interesting because Satyajit Ray | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
was never as popular within India as he was outside of India. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:28 | |
And I wonder if that's to do with the fact that his films were | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
social realism, they didn't have songs in them, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
he wasn't pandering to the masses at that point. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Ray's sophisticated aesthetic came at a high price. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
By rejecting song and dance, he'd broken one of the cardinal | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
rules of Indian cinema. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Then sound came into cinema. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
We used to have 16 songs in each film, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
20 songs in each film, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
and our films were all musicals, like they were in the West. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
But we never came out of the musicals, we just stayed with that. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
And so for us, a film is not a musical because there's songs in it | 0:24:06 | 0:24:12 | |
-because that's like a normal film for us. -Right. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
So, actually, when I look at Hindi cinema or Indian cinema | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
and it's not just Hindi, it's Tamil, Telugu, everywhere... | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
it's a bit like Broadway. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Our films are like West End or Broadway musicals. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
-If you know what I'm trying to say. -Yeah. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
So it's not odd to us as an audience when people break into a song. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
Will you reject Italian opera because everybody is singing? | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
You have kabuki in Japan. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
Would you condemn kabuki because, "Oh, it's not real. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
"Nobody moves or walks and talks like this." | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
Would you say that? No. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
What people know us by also is the song and dance because when you | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
go to Hollywood or when you talk to an English actor, when you say | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
you're from the Indian movies, the first thing, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
and they have a beautiful smile on their face, is, "Wow! | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
"The songs and the dances." Because that's what we are. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
So we shouldn't try to be something that we're not. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
We should be proud of what we are. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
I'll tell you one thing I said in the Birmingham Film Festival. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
I said, "I just saw Godfather last night." | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
I said, "What a stupid film. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
"It's dumb. It's so boring." | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
There was silence. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
I said, "Nobody was singing." | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
And all the Asians started clapping. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
You know what? We sing. That is our culture. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
Therefore, for me, it's... | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
I have grown up, my mother sang songs on my birthday, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
we sing songs in marriages, we sing songs in death, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
we sing songs when we do whatever. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
So that is how we grew up. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
That's our culture. Music is really part of our culture. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
And therefore our cinema, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
which is meant to entertain us, has to have that. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
Do you know, you got me thinking about the Godfather. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
I just think the big musical numbers are, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
"I made him an offer he couldn't refuse." | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
-Yeah. -"Sleeps with the fishes." -Absolutely. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
Now, on film you want the best-looking guy | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
with the best voice doing the best dialogue. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
When you want to hear a song, you want a guy or a girl | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
with the best singing voice. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Now, obviously the two always don't go together. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
And that's where the rise of the playback singer came in. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Songs were so important that audiences were able to completely | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
overlook and forgive the fact that their hero was not singing the song. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:50 | |
Because the songs were that good and the songs were that important. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
And the kind of singers that emerged at that point then dominated | 0:26:54 | 0:27:01 | |
the industry for the next 40 years. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
You had singers like Mohammed Rafi. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
You had singers like Kishore Kumar. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
Lata Mangeshkar. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Mukesh. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
And Asha Bhosle. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
ASHA BHOSLE SINGS O MERE SONA RE | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
It was playback singers like Asha | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
who from the very earliest days | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
helped transform mere actors into silver screen deities. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
1947 I started my career in Hindi film. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
You know, at that time the equipment was very poor. One track machine. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
I sang one track machine with all musicians, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
one mic, and I'm singing, then duck, then flute. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:02 | |
Flute's playing and then they're playing. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
After that I sang in Bombay, Mohan Studio. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
The studio is full of musicians, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
no place, so I sang outside studio. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
The one tree, they put mic on that tree, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
big mic, so big and I'm singing. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
Asha-ji has the most recorded voice in history. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
More than 12,000 songs in a career lasting more than 60 years, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
and she's still going strong. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
Fantastic. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
Isn't she amazing? She's over 80 and she sings like that. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
And she was holding back, we were sitting down in a room. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
Asha Bhosle's fame was still rising as the '60s arrived. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
But styles had changed | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
and Indian cinema was moving in step with the times. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
This was also the era of Shammi Kapoor. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Another member of the burgeoning Kapoor dynasty. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
While his brother Raj played the lovable everyman, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Shammi made his name as a thoroughly modern playboy. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
Hindi cinema had always borrowed freely from the West, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
and in one of my favourite movies, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
the murder mystery Teesri Manzil, Bollywood embraced rock and roll. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
For classically trained musicians like Asha Bhosle, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
the new style proved a challenge. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
SHE SINGS | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
-That was a very difficult song. -Why was that difficult? | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
Because that... | 0:30:02 | 0:30:03 | |
-That's very difficult to sing. -How did you prepare for that? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
First he came to me, "Can you sing?" I said, "Yes, why not? | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
"I am a singer." | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
He played song. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
It was very difficult. I can't sing this. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
And I said, "OK, I will try." | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
I can't say no. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
I'm very stubborn too. I have to sing this. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
So 15 days I practised that... | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
-Like that harm... -Harmonica. -Harmonica. -Yeah. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
Like that. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
SONG: Aaja Aaja | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
So the 1960s, this is where I come in, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
in person because I was born, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
which made it easier to go to the cinema. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
And at that time, from memory, Southall had three cinemas. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
There was the Dominion, Century and Liberty. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
Those were the cinemas that just showed Hindi films all the time. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
It was a fantastic communal experience, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
we were all in it together. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
And people were singing along with the songs, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
people would applaud the hero. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
It was kind of pantomimic in its way, but it was just people | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
getting involved, and that was kind of lovely cos everyone was doing it. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
And the trick at that time was for the men, particularly, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:56 | |
to guess where the intermission was going to come in | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
and then run out to get to the samosa | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
and tea stall, behind which was one very old, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:08 | |
very asthmatic lady, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
who was dealing with a queue of about 3,000 people. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
It would be somebody going, "Give me 18 teas. 35 samosas." | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
And she was... | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
These were those plastic cups | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
that as soon as you put hot water in it, they deformed. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
Those are the things that you had to carry, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
plus the bag of samosas as well. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
So I discovered at that point that there is a very specific | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Indian male sound for pain in public. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
And that is... | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
Wee! | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
Wee! | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
For half the people, they would come back and the film had started. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
So they were coming back into darkness. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
They had no idea where their families were. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
And I don't think this is a racist thing to say, but in the dark... | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
..Indian families kind of all do look and sound the same. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
And they would come in and they've got samosas in one hand | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
and they would look around, come into darkness | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
and not know where they are. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
And all they could think of saying was that very original, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
"Where are you?" | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
To which someone would say, "Here." | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
And they'd go, "OK. Here." | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
And once there was a bright scene or something lit up, they'd go, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
"You're not my family!" | 0:33:31 | 0:33:32 | |
There was one film more than any other | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
that defines my childhood experience of Indian movies. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Seeing the cinema of the world, Magnificent Seven, Mackenna's Gold | 0:33:55 | 0:34:01 | |
and Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
and all these kind of films. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
And there are all these...stereophonic sound, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
all this was big stuff, and why can't we do it? | 0:34:09 | 0:34:15 | |
For me and my generation, it was the equivalent of Star Wars. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
It was the Star Wars for my generation. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
I saw it in India. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
I then came back to Southall where it was on all three cinemas | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
all the time for about three months. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
And because we had to go to the cinema every week, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
I saw it every week for three months. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
So we all sat down, Salim-Javed, writers, myself, my father | 0:34:34 | 0:34:40 | |
and we all sat down and decided, let's do something big. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:46 | |
When it was being made, cos it took that long to make, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
the film industry had started sniggering about it. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
They had started laughing and making little jokes and, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
"Ah, Ramesh is still making Sholay." | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Sholay is the story of two small- time crooks who are hired to help | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
save a village from ruthless bandits. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
It's a Western buddy movie, Indian style. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
Salim-Javed wrote that incredible script, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
copying pieces from many other films. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
But what they did is they took bits and pieces here and there | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
and put it together in this way that had never been seen before. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
It then replicated itself by us kind of recreating scenes... | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
This is slightly embarrassing. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
This is something like a counselling session. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
Recreating scenes of it in the playground or at people's houses. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
We would get together and go, "Which one are you going to be?" | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Inevitably they said, "You have to be Dharmendra | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
"cos I'm taller than you." | 0:36:10 | 0:36:11 | |
And you kind of go, "Yes, but I've got the voice." | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
And in particular I remember, with some embarrassment now, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
try and replicate one song. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
SONG: Yeh Dosti | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
The number of bicycles I fell off trying to do that. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
And you know what? This is true. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
If you couldn't find a bicycle, you got a skateboard | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
and you'd try to do that. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:08 | |
And if you couldn't find a skateboard or a bicycle, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
cos obviously we were too young to ride scooters and motorcycles, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
you just got a little kid and you jumped on his back and you said, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
"You have to be the motorcycle." | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
Sholay really did change the game. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
Crucially the songs weren't just decorative, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
they provided a narrative function. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
But critics had roundly dismissed the movie | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
even before shooting was complete. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
People started saying, "What happened with this? | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
"We don't know what Ramesh is doing." | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
"What's he doing?" | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Yeah. "He's in Bangalore in some rocks making what? Who knows?" | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
And they've been just shooting this movie and shooting this movie. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
A trade magazine, instead of waiting till the picture was released | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
on Friday, brought out a special issue - | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
"Why Sholay has flopped." | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
-Oh. -The whole issue discussed | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
why such a big film has flopped so badly. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
And obviously it was an extremely credible trade paper, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
so everybody believed it. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
Wherever we went people used to tell us that the basic idea was wrong. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
This could not have run and why. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
They would give us ten reasons that why this picture | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
could not be a successful film. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
What were the kind of reasons they gave you? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
What was their reasoning to say this will flop? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
What is the lady's interest in the picture? | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
It's too white and too masculine. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
The premiere itself was fairly kind of divided audience. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
I think maybe Raj Kapoor or someone else said that, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
"What is the friendship in this? | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
"One friend is saying bad things about the other friend. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
"There's too much violence. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
"You start with the train sequence." | 0:38:52 | 0:38:53 | |
-And people actually called it Cholay. -Right. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
And they said it was a flop, it's a disaster. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
-Cholay meaning chickpeas. -Meaning chickpeas. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
"Cholay. It's nothing." | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
In the first week, in those same very trade papers, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
we gave a page, Salim and me, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
that we, Salim-Javed, writers of Sholay, guarantee that this picture | 0:39:12 | 0:39:17 | |
will do more than one crore in every territory. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
Crore was a fantasy that time. No film had done one crore. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
So we had become a laughing stock. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
It wasn't until the film went on national release that the | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
true audience reaction started to make itself felt. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
An exhibitor called me and he said, "I have to tell you one thing. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
"At interval these guys don't come out, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
"they don't have any Cokes or any of my snacks, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
"samosas and things like that." | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
This is really rubbing it in. He's calling me to say, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
"Forget the ticket sales, my refreshments are not being sold." | 0:39:56 | 0:40:02 | |
But he said, "Do you know why? | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
"That's because nobody wants to get up from their seats." | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
They had never seen a film like this before. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
That's an incredibly confident thing to do, to take out your own ad... | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
But then we too were proved wrong because it did four, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
five time more than one crore. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
And when you see it in the theatre, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
we were a privileged family | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
living in Bhopal, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
and there wasn't much to do apart from | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
play cricket or shoot things. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
So one of the people working for us said, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
"Why don't you come and see a movie?" | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
And it was a single screen, there were no multiplexes, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
and we sat there with the masses. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
And everyone was highly entertained. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
So there's something collective about that kind of audience | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
that basically poor people looking up at the screen and Mr Bachchan | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
was entertaining them with songs and dialogue and action. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
Sholay's enormous success established beyond any question the | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
career of a man who would dominate the industry for decades to come. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Through the '50s and at least some of the '60s, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
it was a very hopeful nation. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
Independence had just happened. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
You believed things would be good and things would be right | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
and there was this whole Nehruvian Socialism and hope. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
There was a lot of hope. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
But by the '70s, that hope had been completely dashed to the ground. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
This gave rise to a character that became known as the angry young man. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
And in a way, I suppose, it was a kind of rebel | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
but with lots of hidden causes. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
So for this new character that was going to be more meaningful | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
to the Indian public, they needed a new kind of hero. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:56 | |
The pretty boy romantic heroes of the '60s just wouldn't cut it. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
They needed someone who had the physical kind of athleticism | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
and charisma of a Clint Eastwood. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
They needed somebody who had the voice of a Richard Burton. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
They needed someone who had the smouldering appeal | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
of a Marlon Brando. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
And the acting chops of a Robert De Niro. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
Cue Amitabh Bachchan. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
Amitabh Bachchan was more than a movie idol. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
He was someone the man in the street felt they knew and could relate to. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
A truly working class hero. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
You had this man who was not traditionally handsome. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
I always said that he looked like somebody who had a bruised soul. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
-Right. -He had been hurt by something, someone, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
by just an indifferent society. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
His next film, Deewaar, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:04 | |
tells the story of two brothers fighting over their mother's love. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
When the boys grow up, one becomes a policeman | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
and the other becomes the biggest gangster in town. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
The confrontation between them | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
is one of the most famous scenes in all of Indian cinema. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
Shashi Kapoor is standing there. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
Shashi was the policeman. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
He is an outlaw. And he comes in a car. He's a big man now, rich man. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
And he says thank you when he looks at him that he is in plain clothes. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
HE REPEATS LINE | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
That's the beginning. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
-Mm-hm. -That both of them have taunted each other. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
HE REPEATS LINE | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
Now when you were writing that, what were you feeling? | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
Did you feel the same...? | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
As I said, I get goose bumps when I remember it now. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
One night I was not able to sleep, so I thought, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:41 | |
"OK, since I'm not able to sleep, let me try that scene." | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
And I wrote it in one go. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
That's all. No line was added, no line was cut. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
Those trailblazing films of the early '70s established | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
a recipe for mainstream Indian movies that would hold for decades. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
And even today, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
movie hopefuls are expected to master those same ingredients. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
In Dharavi, one of Asia's largest shanty towns, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
I've been told there's an acting school that has helped launch | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
the careers of several actors, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
including kids featured in Slumdog Millionaire. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
And they start young. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
On Saturday mornings, these kids are taught | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
everything from the latest dance moves to basic fight sequences. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
THEY TALK IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
No! | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
I decided to eavesdrop on one of Baburao's classes | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
where the students are drilled in the highly emotional | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
kind of acting for which Bollywood has become famous. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
THEY WAIL | 0:46:10 | 0:46:15 | |
THEY SOB | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
-How disgusting! ALL: -How disgusting! | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
-How disgusting! ALL: -How disgusting! | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
The teacher, Baburao, has himself made a film in which he demonstrates | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
all the techniques needed to make it big on the silver screen. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
HE SINGS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
THEY SPEAK IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
HE LAUGHS MANIACALLY | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
Kuldi Bhai. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
Kuldi Bhai! | 0:48:11 | 0:48:12 | |
HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
After a few years, the narrative breakthrough, which had been | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
made in the '70s by films like Sholay, was slowly forgotten. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
And while films still relied on the basic elements of song, | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
dance and action, they had lost the plot. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
Basically, any semblance of plot there ever was | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
just went out the window. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
Any semblance of emotional through-line went out the window | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
and they went from set piece to set piece. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
Welcome to the '80s. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
Now, I think the '80s have got a lot to answer for in terms of fashion... | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
AUDIENCE CHUCKLES | 0:48:55 | 0:48:56 | |
..in terms of music and certainly in terms of film, | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
and particularly in Indian film. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
They were really derivative and, you know, they were trying to | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
kind of ape Western films in all the worst kind of ways, you know? | 0:49:05 | 0:49:10 | |
There's the fashion, you had kind of weird techno music that | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
came in and it was kind of like what does this mean? | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
This means nothing, absolutely nothing to me at all. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
So I kind of fell out of love with Indian cinema at that point. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
The late '80s was probably the worst period of Indian cinema, I feel. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
I hope I'm not hurting anybody. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:49:30 | 0:49:31 | |
Because? What? | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
I think the kind of stories that were written, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
the kind of films that were made, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
the level of work in each department, whether it was music, lyrics, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:44 | |
acting, direction, cinematography, visual effects, I mean anything. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:49 | |
It was all...not good. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
The angry young man became a superhero | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
and the '80s was the absolute low point, you know, | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
the bottom of the barrel which was | 0:50:00 | 0:50:01 | |
when they were just doing these hideous dances in awful costumes | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
and there was nothing. I mean, the women had nothing to do. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
# Super, super, super, super, Superman... # | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
By now, light borrowing had turned into outright theft. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
In the '80s, everything from Superman to the latest | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
Hollywood action thriller would get the Bollywood treatment. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
Films had become a cynical way of making money and Bollywood movies | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
of the '80s are so bad that some of them are strangely watchable. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:32 | |
You can't just steal but that's what they did for years and years. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
Well, copyright meant the right to copy, I think that was the reason. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
You know, I'd interviewed Robin Bhatt, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
who was a very successful writer, about 15, 17 years ago | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
and they had taken Lethal Weapon | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
and stolen elements of it and made it into a film called Sadak, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
a very successful film with Sanjay Dutt. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
So I said to him, "But, Robin, you know, where is your talent in this?" | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
And he said, "My talent lies in knowing what to steal." | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
In those years, it was like | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
you make these superhero movies | 0:51:03 | 0:51:04 | |
and it was easy to spend money on it, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
it was easy to think that we can make money out of it | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
until you actually... | 0:51:10 | 0:51:11 | |
There's a burn-out. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
But nothing is pushing forward or breaking new ground | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
or making new cinema. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
HE SINGS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
But at the dawn of the new millennium, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
a new kind of Indian cinema did finally come into being, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:28 | |
characterised by films designed to appeal to the Indian diaspora. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
A new international aspect dominated storylines | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
and the modern era of Indian cinema had begun. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
I think film-makers realised that there was an audience | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
outside of India that was watching their films. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
Also, India had opened up its borders, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
there was more investment going into India. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
There was a middle class that was growing exponentially. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
Indians were beginning to travel a lot more | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
so those influences were a lot closer to home. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
Satellite TV arrived. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:04 | |
You know, it wasn't quite as easy to just steal stuff from Western | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
films because people knew where the source was, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
what you were stealing, where you were stealing it from. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
And also, within that growing middle class, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
there was a sense of pride as well about being able to achieve, | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
about India being able to be a world player. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
Generally, what's happening is you have | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
two set-ups for films in India now. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
You have the single screen, which is the large, almost Shakespearean type | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
of theatre with the stalls, you know, for the poor people | 0:52:31 | 0:52:37 | |
and the balconies for the slightly better-off and... | 0:52:37 | 0:52:42 | |
Generally, large single-screen theatres, they're called, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
which contribute about 30%, 20% of a film's revenue. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:52 | |
80% of it, if I'm getting my maths right, is now the multiplex | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
and that multiplex is a very expensive ticket in comparison | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
and representative of an emerging middle class in India | 0:52:59 | 0:53:04 | |
that has a bit of money to spend, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:05 | |
that is also quite aware of what is happening in the West | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
in terms of exposure to television and films | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
and would like to be stimulated in a similar way. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
What happened was film-makers started just to focus on that | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
multiplex audience. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:19 | |
You know, the urban, the educated, the slightly more nuanced, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
sophisticated, satellite-shaped audience | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
rather than the rural audience | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
and I remember doing interviews in the '90s with directors | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
and they were like, "You know, who cares about that village? | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
"We're done. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:34 | |
"So now all our stories are going to be New York | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
"and everyone's like falling in love in Australia or London." | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
I mean London was like our back yard. Every second story was London. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:44 | |
# You and I, you and I | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
# We're like diamonds in the sky... # | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
A whole wave of films that presented | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
the newly attainable dream of a Western lifestyle, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
and the consumer culture that went with it, had taken over. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:59 | |
# I knew that we'd become one right away... # | 0:53:59 | 0:54:05 | |
Global movie studios could see the opportunity | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
and suddenly India was flooded by the likes of Sony, Warner Bros | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
and Disney all hoping for a piece of the action. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
Initially, when foreign companies came in, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
there was a lot of excitement, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:18 | |
but they did not understand the Indian market. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
They had their own executives from abroad, they just did not know | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
how to handle the chaos and the lack of transparency of the Indian market. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
It's only the experts who had spent their lifetime dealing | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
and doing business in this market who understand how it works. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
The studios have all come in and many of them | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
have already built their hands making local product in the early | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
years, so Sony made Saawariya, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
Warner Bros made Chandni Chowk to China. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
All of these films were just God awful. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
Disney made Roadside Romeo with Yash Raj. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
None of them worked and I think there was a certain arrogance | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
that we'll just walk in and, you know, | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
people in Burbank will decide what people in Bollywood should be doing. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
It doesn't work like that. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:03 | |
It's a very unique market, it's a very specific market, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
it's a very relationship-driven industry. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
It's a different place and I think that the studios quickly realised | 0:55:09 | 0:55:14 | |
that it's not going to work. You can't walk in and just sign cheques. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
While global movie studios lost huge amounts of money | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
trying to seduce the middle class Indian market, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
the domestic Indian industry was doing just fine without them, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
giving the old recipe of song and dance a modern twist. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
I'd fallen right out of love with Indian films, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
particularly at that time, and then a friend of mine basically said, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
"Have you seen any of these films that are out?" | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
And I said, "No, not really. I went off them a few years ago. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
"It's not for me." | 0:55:46 | 0:55:47 | |
I was kind of enjoying the Indiana Jones films | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
and all the stuff that was coming out of Hollywood. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
And he said, "You should take a look." | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
And the film he handed me had dance sequences in it, | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
the like of which I hadn't seen before. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
The '50s and '60s, it was mainly classical, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
and it was mainly the women who were doing it. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
I remember Rajesh Khanna's one dance move was this... | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
That was it. Amitabh's was this. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
But slower, obviously, I've sped that up. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
But this was a kind of real hybrid and the film was Dil To Pagal Hai. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:26 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
Bringing an international attitude | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
to the Indian staples of song and dance | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
prove to be a real challenge for choreographers. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
When I started the first film, Dil To Pagal Hai, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
the style was a very Indo-contemporary style, | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
which is not the normal Bollywood ... what you see. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
It was more... | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
Like a Western Indian style, very unusual. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
Not really Indian Indian and not really Western, | 0:56:55 | 0:57:00 | |
it was a mix, a very fine mix. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
I think that is what the Shiamak style is, | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
it's where you don't know if it's Bollywood or Hollywood, it's neither. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
Were you kind of at all nervous about the reaction | 0:57:14 | 0:57:19 | |
and how did you deal with that? | 0:57:19 | 0:57:20 | |
I was nervous, I was petrified, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
I thought it would never work because it was too Western. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
I even told Yash, I said to Yash Chopra, "You must know that | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
"it's never going to work, my style." | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
He said, "I want your style." | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
I said, "But it's not Bollywood, I can't do that. I can do what I know." | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
He said, "No, I want that only | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
"because the story's about a choreographer | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
"and there's Madhuri there and there's Karisma Kapoor there." | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
So I said, "OK, Madhuri, let me see." | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
There was a song I did with Karisma and Madhuri. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
It was in a small little area and they were competing, | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
the two best dancers in the industry, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
and it was like a battle, a dance battle. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
And it was quite difficult | 0:58:16 | 0:58:17 | |
because suddenly they had to do these jazz or contemporary movements | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
and they're used to doing only Bollywood stuff | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
so they were like blown out of their heads, they had to adjust, | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 | |
but they worked so hard that it just turned out to be a cult film | 0:58:26 | 0:58:30 | |
in the end so I was happy. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:32 | |
Can you spot the actors who can dance and the actors who can't? | 0:58:36 | 0:58:42 | |
It's very easy to get somebody. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
I'm still trying to pin you down to exactly...within ten seconds. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:48 | |
-Is it grace? Is it co-ordination? -See? | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
You moved your arms extremely well now. | 0:58:51 | 0:58:53 | |
See? That means you can dance. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:55 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:58:55 | 0:58:56 | |
Come. We're going to teach Sanjeev a step. | 0:58:56 | 0:58:58 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:58:58 | 0:59:01 | |
-Sexy boy. -Fat guy at the front. OK? | 0:59:05 | 0:59:07 | |
-So...? -Step together. -Yeah. | 0:59:07 | 0:59:10 | |
-Step...together. Now, we're going to add the pelvic with it. -Right, OK. | 0:59:10 | 0:59:14 | |
So, we're going to go... | 0:59:14 | 0:59:16 | |
HE IMITATES BEAT | 0:59:16 | 0:59:18 | |
You know you're quite good. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:20 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:59:20 | 0:59:23 | |
I've just realised the one thing that those moves, those dances did, | 0:59:26 | 0:59:30 | |
was stop aunties requesting songs at weddings | 0:59:30 | 0:59:34 | |
because prior to that, they would say, | 0:59:34 | 0:59:37 | |
"Oh, come on, play that song from Kati Patang." | 0:59:37 | 0:59:40 | |
And then this. Aunties trying to keep up with that would be too much. | 0:59:40 | 0:59:44 | |
BOYS CHEER | 0:59:44 | 0:59:45 | |
Left, right, left. Left, right, left. Left, right, left. | 0:59:45 | 0:59:49 | |
But then there was a surprising development. | 0:59:49 | 0:59:53 | |
After a few years, | 0:59:53 | 0:59:54 | |
dreaming of new lives in New York or London, | 0:59:54 | 0:59:57 | |
Indian film-makers turned their gaze back, | 0:59:57 | 1:00:00 | |
reclaiming the elements of Indian cinema that made it unique. | 1:00:00 | 1:00:05 | |
There were a lot of films being made for the people of Indian | 1:00:05 | 1:00:08 | |
origin living outside of India. | 1:00:08 | 1:00:10 | |
I didn't do too many of those, you know? | 1:00:10 | 1:00:12 | |
I remember when we were making Lagaan, people were saying... | 1:00:12 | 1:00:17 | |
I mean there were many reasons why Lagaan was not supposed to work | 1:00:17 | 1:00:21 | |
and some of them were the fact that it was not a romantic film shot | 1:00:21 | 1:00:24 | |
in Switzerland where the actors and actresses were not wearing DKNY | 1:00:24 | 1:00:28 | |
and you were wearing totis and bundis | 1:00:28 | 1:00:30 | |
and you were speaking in Awadhi. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:32 | |
I decided that if this film has to be produced then | 1:00:33 | 1:00:36 | |
I have to produce it myself and I was never a producer | 1:00:36 | 1:00:39 | |
but I got into production in order to get that film made. | 1:00:39 | 1:00:42 | |
Lagaan is a Raj-era drama about a group of Indian villagers | 1:00:45 | 1:00:48 | |
who are forced to play cricket against their British oppressors | 1:00:48 | 1:00:51 | |
in a match with life-or-death stakes. | 1:00:51 | 1:00:54 | |
And the film won the hearts of audiences all over the world. | 1:00:57 | 1:01:01 | |
-Finally, got the damned creature. -Good shot. -Thank you. | 1:01:03 | 1:01:08 | |
Anyway, it did really well and all of us were really pleased. | 1:01:08 | 1:01:11 | |
It did really well in Germany, in the UK, in the US. | 1:01:11 | 1:01:15 | |
It was nominated at the Academy Awards for Foreign Language | 1:01:15 | 1:01:19 | |
so we were really thrilled, the entire team was really thrilled | 1:01:19 | 1:01:22 | |
with the kind of emotional connection it had with people across the globe. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:28 | |
Music and dance is an essential part of... | 1:01:28 | 1:01:31 | |
-Indian cinema. -..Indian cinema. | 1:01:31 | 1:01:33 | |
Is that part of a formula | 1:01:33 | 1:01:35 | |
or is that something to do with how Indians are? | 1:01:35 | 1:01:38 | |
Music and song... | 1:01:38 | 1:01:41 | |
-helps you to sharpen an emotion. -Mm-hm. | 1:01:41 | 1:01:44 | |
So, you've seen Lagaan. | 1:01:44 | 1:01:46 | |
When the film begins, there's no rain, it's not raining. | 1:01:51 | 1:01:55 | |
And the village is going through troubled times, | 1:01:55 | 1:01:57 | |
it hasn't rained for two years. | 1:01:57 | 1:01:59 | |
And then they see this cloud. And they get electrified. | 1:02:00 | 1:02:05 | |
Man, it's going to rain and there's a song over it. | 1:02:05 | 1:02:08 | |
MAN SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:02:08 | 1:02:13 | |
THUNDER CRACKS | 1:02:13 | 1:02:16 | |
CHILDREN CHEER | 1:02:19 | 1:02:22 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 1:02:22 | 1:02:27 | |
And they sing with abandon because they feel it's finally going to rain. | 1:02:30 | 1:02:35 | |
THEY SING IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:02:35 | 1:02:37 | |
And the cloud comes and it passes, it doesn't rain. | 1:02:42 | 1:02:45 | |
And they're left stranded and it's like a deep dejection. | 1:02:49 | 1:02:53 | |
-Now, this sharpening of emotion happens because of that song. -Mm-hm. | 1:02:53 | 1:02:58 | |
If you remove that song, the story will still remain the same, | 1:02:58 | 1:03:01 | |
it's a place where it hasn't rained, and the story will move on. | 1:03:01 | 1:03:05 | |
But the fact that they get so excited when they see one cloud | 1:03:05 | 1:03:09 | |
and the whole village starts celebrating the rain as it's | 1:03:09 | 1:03:13 | |
about to approach, so that song helps you to sharpen the emotion. | 1:03:13 | 1:03:17 | |
THUNDER CRACKS | 1:03:17 | 1:03:20 | |
SHE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:03:25 | 1:03:29 | |
Now, the interesting thing about Aamir Khan is that he's been able... | 1:03:33 | 1:03:37 | |
In a way, he's kind of like a George Clooney | 1:03:37 | 1:03:39 | |
in that he's political - small P - he's got a social conscience | 1:03:39 | 1:03:43 | |
so he makes interesting, social conscience films | 1:03:43 | 1:03:47 | |
but the film that he then acted in which caught everyone by surprise | 1:03:47 | 1:03:53 | |
was 3 Idiots. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:55 | |
THEY SPEAK IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:03:55 | 1:03:58 | |
The story of 3 Idiots is there are three friends and one of them | 1:04:00 | 1:04:04 | |
has disappeared and the other two are looking for him. | 1:04:04 | 1:04:08 | |
The whole film unfolds with these two friends on a journey | 1:04:08 | 1:04:13 | |
searching for their lost friend, they've lost contact with him. | 1:04:13 | 1:04:16 | |
And they're trying to figure out where the hell he is. | 1:04:16 | 1:04:19 | |
3 Idiots, I think, was the most basic simple story, you know, | 1:04:33 | 1:04:38 | |
about three college students and I don't think there's ever been | 1:04:38 | 1:04:42 | |
a greater film in the recent years as that. | 1:04:42 | 1:04:45 | |
Did you know it was going to be a success? At what point did you know? | 1:04:45 | 1:04:48 | |
I think it's the best narration from a director that I've ever | 1:04:48 | 1:04:52 | |
heard in 15 years of my career. | 1:04:52 | 1:04:54 | |
-Explain the narration. -The reading. | 1:04:54 | 1:04:57 | |
When he approached me, he called me to his office and he was like, | 1:04:57 | 1:05:00 | |
"I'd like you to hear the script." | 1:05:00 | 1:05:03 | |
And for four hours, he read out the entire script | 1:05:03 | 1:05:06 | |
and I actually stood up in his office | 1:05:06 | 1:05:10 | |
and I was clapping on my own that I'd never heard something like this. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:15 | |
In 3 Idiots, Aamir plays a rebellious college student | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
who defies the cold hand of authority. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:20 | |
3 Idiots, Rancho was a lot of me, | 1:05:32 | 1:05:34 | |
I walked out of every class in the Film Institute. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:36 | |
They failed me, I'm a failure, they failed me, I didn't get my diploma. | 1:05:36 | 1:05:41 | |
Excuse me. | 1:05:41 | 1:05:43 | |
3 Idiots was a huge hit, | 1:05:43 | 1:05:45 | |
at the time of its release, | 1:05:45 | 1:05:46 | |
the highest grossing Bollywood film of all time. | 1:05:46 | 1:05:50 | |
At its heart lies a clever reinvention - | 1:05:50 | 1:05:52 | |
the angry young man of the '70s has been transformed. | 1:05:52 | 1:05:56 | |
The action hero reinvented | 1:05:56 | 1:05:57 | |
as a sensitive, lovable man of the people. | 1:05:57 | 1:06:00 | |
Excuse me. | 1:06:02 | 1:06:03 | |
Because I am very, very culturally connected with my culture, | 1:06:03 | 1:06:10 | |
with India, and I want to live and die here, | 1:06:10 | 1:06:13 | |
I love the way this country is, the people of this country, | 1:06:13 | 1:06:19 | |
I think perhaps that resonates in my writing and in my movies | 1:06:19 | 1:06:23 | |
and maybe that is why most Indians connect with it... | 1:06:23 | 1:06:26 | |
because it is their culture. | 1:06:26 | 1:06:29 | |
We do not have all day! | 1:06:29 | 1:06:31 | |
Rancho, who is Aamir Khan in 3 Idiots, | 1:06:31 | 1:06:33 | |
a lot of all that came into that character. | 1:06:33 | 1:06:37 | |
So I mean I relate to that character totally and I'm so glad | 1:06:37 | 1:06:41 | |
so many people liked it. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:43 | |
We rely heavily on emotions, we're an emotional country, | 1:06:43 | 1:06:46 | |
that's what our nation kind of relies on - | 1:06:46 | 1:06:49 | |
our hope is based on emotions. | 1:06:49 | 1:06:51 | |
And he just got everything right. | 1:06:51 | 1:06:53 | |
THEY SPEAK IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:06:55 | 1:06:58 | |
Yeah. | 1:07:04 | 1:07:05 | |
Who? | 1:07:11 | 1:07:13 | |
You. | 1:07:13 | 1:07:14 | |
I really loved 3 Idiots, I thought it was great. | 1:07:19 | 1:07:23 | |
You know, it was devoid of any violence, | 1:07:23 | 1:07:28 | |
it didn't need car chases, it didn't need explosions, | 1:07:28 | 1:07:32 | |
it didn't need any of those things that I'd come to associate | 1:07:32 | 1:07:37 | |
with the excess of Hindi films. | 1:07:37 | 1:07:40 | |
And in many ways, I think, | 1:07:40 | 1:07:43 | |
it's a film that harks back to some of those films of the '50s and '60s. | 1:07:43 | 1:07:48 | |
I think there's a simple storyline, I think it's well written, | 1:07:48 | 1:07:53 | |
I think it's well acted and I think the songs are great. | 1:07:53 | 1:07:57 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 1:07:57 | 1:08:00 | |
It was old school, classic romance transformed on-screen. | 1:08:00 | 1:08:05 | |
It was nice, it was simple and I loved it. | 1:08:07 | 1:08:10 | |
Hindi film has been my kind of main experience. | 1:08:13 | 1:08:15 | |
I haven't really seen too much of regional films. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:20 | |
I've always known that they've played an important part. | 1:08:20 | 1:08:23 | |
Satyajit Ray's films were obviously Bengali films | 1:08:23 | 1:08:27 | |
and I'd seen a couple of those but, you know, | 1:08:27 | 1:08:30 | |
I'd heard about how big | 1:08:30 | 1:08:32 | |
and important the Tamil film industry was, for instance, | 1:08:32 | 1:08:36 | |
but I just thought, "I don't speak the language, maybe it's not for me." | 1:08:36 | 1:08:41 | |
And then people started telling me, "You know what? | 1:08:41 | 1:08:44 | |
"Some of their films are pretty good. | 1:08:44 | 1:08:46 | |
"I mean the production values are fantastic | 1:08:46 | 1:08:48 | |
"and the shot selection is amazing and you should have a look." | 1:08:48 | 1:08:50 | |
So I went to Hyderabad. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:52 | |
Ramoji Film City in Hyderabad | 1:09:02 | 1:09:04 | |
is the largest film studio in the world. | 1:09:04 | 1:09:07 | |
Over 1,100 acres of ready-made movie sets, locations and sound stages | 1:09:07 | 1:09:13 | |
all set against the evocative backdrop of the Deccan Plateau. | 1:09:13 | 1:09:17 | |
Every day, thousands of tourists come from far and wide | 1:09:21 | 1:09:24 | |
to marvel and gawp at the movie-making process. | 1:09:24 | 1:09:28 | |
It's like the tour at Universal Studios but on a much larger scale. | 1:09:28 | 1:09:32 | |
Here, punters can do everything from play | 1:09:35 | 1:09:37 | |
a cameo in their favourite movie... | 1:09:37 | 1:09:39 | |
..to having a go at special effects for themselves. | 1:09:42 | 1:09:44 | |
But I'm here because alongside all the tourist attractions, | 1:09:47 | 1:09:51 | |
there are a number of real movies in production. | 1:09:51 | 1:09:53 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 1:09:54 | 1:09:57 | |
This one's a low-budget transvestite teen comedy. | 1:09:59 | 1:10:02 | |
I've been invited to visit the set of a truly epic film called | 1:10:11 | 1:10:15 | |
Baahubali, the highest budget movie ever made in Southern India. | 1:10:15 | 1:10:19 | |
It's a fantasy with the scale and ambition | 1:10:21 | 1:10:23 | |
of The Lord Of The Rings | 1:10:23 | 1:10:24 | |
and the director, Rajamouli, | 1:10:24 | 1:10:26 | |
is giving me a privileged peek behind the scenes. | 1:10:26 | 1:10:29 | |
The story is very much layered but if you take the plot, | 1:10:29 | 1:10:33 | |
it is quite simple. | 1:10:33 | 1:10:35 | |
It is about a father who is murdered, a son who is thrown away, | 1:10:35 | 1:10:40 | |
presumed dead, and he comes back and avenges the father. | 1:10:40 | 1:10:45 | |
The story, if you take the plot, it is so simple. | 1:10:45 | 1:10:49 | |
This film actually is a film of families, it's a film of deceit, | 1:10:49 | 1:10:52 | |
it's a film of treachery, it's a film of all of those. | 1:10:52 | 1:10:56 | |
My character in this film, | 1:10:56 | 1:10:58 | |
the only thing that he needs is the throne, | 1:10:58 | 1:11:00 | |
and that's where he's getting at and to be there, | 1:11:00 | 1:11:05 | |
he will get everyone out of the way, whether it's his brother or | 1:11:05 | 1:11:08 | |
whether it's his parents, so it's a hard, mean machine. | 1:11:08 | 1:11:13 | |
The sheer ambition of Baahubali dwarves anything ever made | 1:11:13 | 1:11:16 | |
by Indian regional cinema and with so much at stake, | 1:11:16 | 1:11:20 | |
no footage has been revealed. | 1:11:20 | 1:11:22 | |
But I can tell you that they're drawing upon the finest | 1:11:22 | 1:11:25 | |
martial arts and technical professionals from around the world. | 1:11:25 | 1:11:28 | |
Just goes to show that today, the massive commercial potential | 1:11:28 | 1:11:31 | |
of films which appeal to Indians all over the world, | 1:11:31 | 1:11:34 | |
allows for truly epic movies to be produced. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
The biggest film I have done before is 1/8 the size of this. | 1:11:39 | 1:11:44 | |
Luckily, the market was also expanding. | 1:11:44 | 1:11:47 | |
Where is the market expanding to and from? | 1:11:47 | 1:11:50 | |
Mainly, it's US but now we are taking to | 1:11:50 | 1:11:53 | |
so many parts of the world. | 1:11:53 | 1:11:55 | |
Telugu is a race that started moving out of India in the early 1900s | 1:11:55 | 1:11:59 | |
and they moved in to places like Malaysia, Taiwan, the Middle East. | 1:11:59 | 1:12:04 | |
The second big migration happened after the rise of the IT boom | 1:12:04 | 1:12:08 | |
that happened in America | 1:12:08 | 1:12:09 | |
so you see a lot of Telugus who have settled in many different | 1:12:09 | 1:12:12 | |
pockets of America, who obviously continued with their culture | 1:12:12 | 1:12:15 | |
who are still modern in their thoughts and approach. | 1:12:15 | 1:12:18 | |
So they kind of found that big Telugu industry in America. | 1:12:18 | 1:12:23 | |
Telugu audience are very dedicated to film. | 1:12:23 | 1:12:28 | |
Actually, if you can go to a big star film release | 1:12:28 | 1:12:32 | |
in the smaller towns, | 1:12:32 | 1:12:34 | |
you will see the print being carried on a carriage with music | 1:12:34 | 1:12:39 | |
and dancing and throwing flowers and garlands on the print, | 1:12:39 | 1:12:42 | |
the film print, all the way to the theatre | 1:12:42 | 1:12:45 | |
and then from the theatres, you'll see 60-foot, | 1:12:45 | 1:12:47 | |
70-foot cut-outs of the hero, garlanded, being pulled over the star. | 1:12:47 | 1:12:55 | |
It's quite an experience. | 1:12:55 | 1:12:57 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 1:12:57 | 1:12:58 | |
Another way in which the film Baahubali is breaking new ground | 1:13:00 | 1:13:03 | |
is in how the latest cinematic technology is being employed | 1:13:03 | 1:13:07 | |
to tell ancient mythical stories. | 1:13:07 | 1:13:09 | |
Will this be entirely a physical set or will there be CGI? | 1:13:10 | 1:13:14 | |
There's a lot and lot of CGI involved. | 1:13:14 | 1:13:19 | |
When it comes to CGI, our principle is the thumb rule. | 1:13:19 | 1:13:25 | |
The thumb rule is anything that the actors interact with is live. | 1:13:25 | 1:13:31 | |
Anything that they don't interact with is CG. | 1:13:31 | 1:13:34 | |
And because we wanted scale everywhere, | 1:13:35 | 1:13:38 | |
it has to be scale length, it's impossible for us | 1:13:38 | 1:13:41 | |
to actually build anything that we are imagining. | 1:13:41 | 1:13:45 | |
Cutting edge visual effects have become an enormous growth area | 1:13:46 | 1:13:50 | |
across the country, | 1:13:50 | 1:13:51 | |
tapping into the world-leading IT sector and mainstream | 1:13:51 | 1:13:55 | |
Bollywood cinema has also grasped the exciting new opportunities. | 1:13:55 | 1:13:59 | |
I remember, as a kid, going to see Bollywood films | 1:14:01 | 1:14:04 | |
and every time there was a special effect, | 1:14:04 | 1:14:06 | |
-there was a little bit of me that was sick. -Yeah. | 1:14:06 | 1:14:09 | |
I kind of vomited inside. | 1:14:09 | 1:14:11 | |
I never vomited outside because it's not my style | 1:14:11 | 1:14:13 | |
but on the inside, I did. | 1:14:13 | 1:14:15 | |
Just the quality of technique in Indian cinema has | 1:14:15 | 1:14:18 | |
improved by leaps and bounds over the last few years. | 1:14:18 | 1:14:21 | |
When you see some of the very interesting movies being made here, | 1:14:21 | 1:14:24 | |
they could have been made anywhere in the world in terms | 1:14:24 | 1:14:27 | |
of the quality of the cinematography, the quality of the sound, | 1:14:27 | 1:14:30 | |
and in fact, the quality of the visual effects. | 1:14:30 | 1:14:32 | |
I mean a lot of the visual effects in movies in the west are actually | 1:14:32 | 1:14:35 | |
being outsourced here to India. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
What we didn't have earlier was we had the ability to technically | 1:14:38 | 1:14:42 | |
work to a brief but we didn't have film-makers here who were | 1:14:42 | 1:14:46 | |
actually creating those briefs for these organisations | 1:14:46 | 1:14:49 | |
and you do have that today. | 1:14:49 | 1:14:51 | |
I can't think of anybody else who has created a science-fiction | 1:14:51 | 1:14:55 | |
franchise in Indian cinema. | 1:14:55 | 1:14:57 | |
You must be the first. | 1:14:57 | 1:14:59 | |
Yes, I think I'm the first, yeah. | 1:14:59 | 1:15:01 | |
You're a pioneer. | 1:15:01 | 1:15:02 | |
So can you just explain how that came about? | 1:15:02 | 1:15:05 | |
Did you always envisage that there would be three or four | 1:15:05 | 1:15:08 | |
-films in a story? -No, no. | 1:15:08 | 1:15:09 | |
One day, I saw Lord Of The Rings, I saw all three parts of it together. | 1:15:09 | 1:15:15 | |
I said, "If they can do it, why can't we? Let me try." | 1:15:15 | 1:15:18 | |
The result was Krrish, | 1:15:20 | 1:15:22 | |
a blockbuster franchise | 1:15:22 | 1:15:24 | |
which has already had three | 1:15:24 | 1:15:26 | |
hugely successful instalments. | 1:15:26 | 1:15:28 | |
Krrish was a journey. | 1:15:29 | 1:15:31 | |
The first half where I established that he had a lot of powers | 1:15:31 | 1:15:34 | |
but he didn't know what to do with them. | 1:15:34 | 1:15:36 | |
And in the second half, we show how he uses his powers. | 1:15:36 | 1:15:40 | |
And then the third, Krrish was a full-blown superhero film | 1:15:40 | 1:15:45 | |
with a supervillain and all the characters in the film. | 1:15:45 | 1:15:49 | |
Aside from the commercial success of this new franchise, films like | 1:15:50 | 1:15:54 | |
Krrish have created a world-class Indian special effects industry. | 1:15:54 | 1:15:58 | |
We have got good technicians in India. | 1:15:59 | 1:16:03 | |
So I said, first of all, I will make Krrish 3 with Indian talent, | 1:16:03 | 1:16:07 | |
so I hired Shah Rukh Khan's studio - Red Chillies. | 1:16:07 | 1:16:12 | |
99% of the Indian films, when they are made, | 1:16:14 | 1:16:18 | |
they do a lot of special effects, | 1:16:18 | 1:16:20 | |
but they don't get time for special effects. | 1:16:20 | 1:16:25 | |
I finished my film and I gave them 18 months to do the special effects. | 1:16:25 | 1:16:31 | |
I said, "I should give the Indian talents a chance, | 1:16:33 | 1:16:36 | |
"so that they also get used to it, and then when we make other films, | 1:16:36 | 1:16:41 | |
-"they will be more experienced." -Mm-hmm. | 1:16:41 | 1:16:44 | |
Indian cinema has clearly come a long way | 1:16:48 | 1:16:50 | |
since the cheesy rip-offs of the early eighties. | 1:16:50 | 1:16:53 | |
And Indian films have evolved, | 1:16:56 | 1:16:58 | |
the production values now are as good as anything in the West. | 1:16:58 | 1:17:03 | |
We've got to a point now where Indian companies are investing | 1:17:03 | 1:17:08 | |
in Hollywood production houses, | 1:17:08 | 1:17:11 | |
buying into DreamWorks, co-financing. | 1:17:11 | 1:17:16 | |
You've got it the other way round, you've got companies like Disney | 1:17:16 | 1:17:19 | |
that have bought UTV and created Disney India to make local content. | 1:17:19 | 1:17:25 | |
As the Indian movie industry has developed at an exponential rate | 1:17:25 | 1:17:28 | |
in recent years, with a huge growth in global revenue, | 1:17:28 | 1:17:32 | |
multinational film studios like Sony and Disney | 1:17:32 | 1:17:35 | |
have learned from their previous attempts to | 1:17:35 | 1:17:37 | |
crack the Indian market and adopted a much smarter business model. | 1:17:37 | 1:17:41 | |
We're actually the Indian arm of the Walt Disney Company, | 1:17:41 | 1:17:43 | |
and what the Walt Disney Company is doing in India is being able | 1:17:43 | 1:17:46 | |
to understand what the audience tastes and preferences are. | 1:17:46 | 1:17:50 | |
It's not like you're just taking one product | 1:17:50 | 1:17:52 | |
and saying it's a one size fits all, you're actually modifying it | 1:17:52 | 1:17:55 | |
to suit the local tastes and preferences of an audience there. | 1:17:55 | 1:17:59 | |
In recent years, | 1:18:01 | 1:18:02 | |
Indian cinematic tastes have widened, | 1:18:02 | 1:18:04 | |
to include new genres like sci-fi and historical fantasy. | 1:18:04 | 1:18:08 | |
But they haven't left more traditional fare behind. | 1:18:08 | 1:18:11 | |
HE SINGS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:18:11 | 1:18:15 | |
Chennai Express is a great example of how the industry has moved on. | 1:18:15 | 1:18:20 | |
SHE INTERRUPTS IN SONG | 1:18:24 | 1:18:27 | |
A classic Bollywood romance with great songs and major stars, | 1:18:27 | 1:18:31 | |
it was financed and distributed globally, | 1:18:31 | 1:18:34 | |
and became one of the highest grossing films in Indian history. | 1:18:34 | 1:18:38 | |
What I think is really interesting over the last few years | 1:18:38 | 1:18:40 | |
is that studios have come in here | 1:18:40 | 1:18:42 | |
and started making local language movies. | 1:18:42 | 1:18:44 | |
Realising that India really is a local market, | 1:18:44 | 1:18:47 | |
and that we like our own heroes, our own heroines, I mean, | 1:18:47 | 1:18:51 | |
we are a movie-obsessed nation. | 1:18:51 | 1:18:54 | |
There are three billion admissions in this country every year, | 1:18:54 | 1:18:57 | |
which is pretty much half the population of the globe. | 1:18:57 | 1:19:00 | |
If you think about that, it's a pretty staggering statistic, | 1:19:00 | 1:19:02 | |
to imagine that three billion footfalls go into | 1:19:02 | 1:19:06 | |
movie theatres in this country every year. | 1:19:06 | 1:19:08 | |
In cinema, what really counts at the end of the day is | 1:19:08 | 1:19:10 | |
-how many people have seen it. -Mm-hmm. | 1:19:10 | 1:19:12 | |
And we have more people to offer than any other country in the world. | 1:19:12 | 1:19:16 | |
And the thing with the multiplexes, | 1:19:16 | 1:19:18 | |
which have now started to come in, is that they've | 1:19:18 | 1:19:20 | |
kind of allowed room now for other kinds of Indian films to be made. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:26 | |
So, in addition to the blockbusters that we still have - | 1:19:26 | 1:19:29 | |
the latest of which is Dhoom 3, | 1:19:29 | 1:19:31 | |
which kind of broke all box office records, | 1:19:31 | 1:19:33 | |
people are flocking to them as they always did - | 1:19:33 | 1:19:36 | |
but there's also emerging quieter voices, | 1:19:36 | 1:19:40 | |
in a resurgence of parallel cinema, or art cinema. | 1:19:40 | 1:19:45 | |
Recent successes like The Lunchbox | 1:19:45 | 1:19:48 | |
and Dev D have proven | 1:19:48 | 1:19:49 | |
that Indian arthouse - or "parallel" cinema - | 1:19:49 | 1:19:51 | |
has been resurrected, and has managed to reach out to what | 1:19:51 | 1:19:55 | |
were previously mainstream audiences both in India and around the world. | 1:19:55 | 1:20:00 | |
The line between art and commercial cinema has blurred | 1:20:00 | 1:20:04 | |
over the last decade, and we've seen more and more of that. | 1:20:04 | 1:20:06 | |
In the '80s you had movies that were art cinema, | 1:20:06 | 1:20:09 | |
they were watched on dual version, | 1:20:09 | 1:20:10 | |
they'd probably get a theatrical release | 1:20:10 | 1:20:12 | |
of two or three prints in the key cities, and that's pretty much it. | 1:20:12 | 1:20:15 | |
And they would win national awards and be critically appreciated, | 1:20:15 | 1:20:18 | |
but a mainstream audience would still not have access to them | 1:20:18 | 1:20:21 | |
unless they saw it on television. | 1:20:21 | 1:20:23 | |
But today, you've got movies like Dev D or Kai Po Che!, | 1:20:23 | 1:20:26 | |
films that we have made in the last five years that are actually | 1:20:26 | 1:20:30 | |
themes that might have been called art cinema in the '80s, | 1:20:30 | 1:20:33 | |
but which are actually enjoying massive commercial success today. | 1:20:33 | 1:20:37 | |
The most recent break-out hit from out of left field is The Lunchbox. | 1:20:38 | 1:20:43 | |
It's an intimate story about a lonely man who exchanges | 1:20:43 | 1:20:47 | |
love letters with the woman who makes him lunch. | 1:20:47 | 1:20:49 | |
A surprise commercial success, it's also won awards | 1:20:49 | 1:20:53 | |
and critical acclaim at festivals around the world. | 1:20:53 | 1:20:56 | |
This is the biggest myth that we have lived with all these days, | 1:20:58 | 1:21:01 | |
we have been told that our cinema does not have that kind of reach | 1:21:01 | 1:21:06 | |
and people don't want to watch films from India, and really, | 1:21:06 | 1:21:10 | |
they are films, if we make them more universal, we can always reach out. | 1:21:10 | 1:21:16 | |
It happened with Lunchbox, it happened with Wasseypur, | 1:21:16 | 1:21:18 | |
it's happening with... | 1:21:18 | 1:21:20 | |
-And Lunchbox has been released in some 91 countries. -Mm-hmm. | 1:21:20 | 1:21:24 | |
I saw it in London. | 1:21:24 | 1:21:27 | |
It has found a commercial audience, | 1:21:27 | 1:21:28 | |
and that's a film that we actually marketed and distributed in India. | 1:21:28 | 1:21:31 | |
And it did tremendously well. | 1:21:31 | 1:21:32 | |
It is an English film at the end of the day, | 1:21:32 | 1:21:34 | |
with a very Western sensibility, a very European style of film-making. | 1:21:34 | 1:21:39 | |
It takes its time, the pace of the narrative is slow | 1:21:39 | 1:21:43 | |
and it tells a very intimate story, | 1:21:43 | 1:21:45 | |
but it resonated tremendously | 1:21:45 | 1:21:46 | |
-in India, it did great business. -Mm-hmm. | 1:21:46 | 1:21:48 | |
But what's really interesting is, you've got your | 1:21:48 | 1:21:51 | |
mass commercial entertainers working at the same time. | 1:21:51 | 1:21:53 | |
It's not like they're going anywhere, | 1:21:53 | 1:21:55 | |
so a Salman Khan or Akshay Kumar movie today | 1:21:55 | 1:21:57 | |
is still doing great business, but a Lunchbox and a Kai Po Che! | 1:21:57 | 1:22:00 | |
are also doing great business. So the audience tastes have broadened. | 1:22:00 | 1:22:03 | |
It's still the same guy going and watching both movies, | 1:22:03 | 1:22:05 | |
but he wears a different hat. | 1:22:05 | 1:22:06 | |
When he goes in to watch Akshay Kumar he leaves his brains at home, | 1:22:06 | 1:22:09 | |
and he says, "I'm just going to have a good time." | 1:22:09 | 1:22:11 | |
My journey now is almost at an end, and it's strangely fitting | 1:22:11 | 1:22:15 | |
that my last encounter with Bollywood should be here in London. | 1:22:15 | 1:22:19 | |
I'm on the set of a brand-new thriller which is | 1:22:19 | 1:22:21 | |
currently shooting at Tower Bridge. | 1:22:21 | 1:22:23 | |
The film, Phantom, stars Katrina Kaif and Saif Ali Khan, | 1:22:23 | 1:22:27 | |
and it's a truly international production. | 1:22:27 | 1:22:30 | |
The journey is very international, | 1:22:30 | 1:22:32 | |
because Kabir likes to shoot in exciting places, so we made an effort | 1:22:32 | 1:22:37 | |
to shoot in Kashmir and Beirut, and to shoot... | 1:22:37 | 1:22:42 | |
This is probably the easiest part. | 1:22:42 | 1:22:43 | |
We shot in north India, which was quite rough, | 1:22:43 | 1:22:46 | |
because it's very crowded. | 1:22:46 | 1:22:48 | |
It's not easy to set up a camera and make something look | 1:22:48 | 1:22:51 | |
the way it is, because there are people everywhere for a start. | 1:22:51 | 1:22:53 | |
Somehow in England we're trying to put people in the background, | 1:22:53 | 1:22:56 | |
whereas in India we're trying to get rid of them. | 1:22:56 | 1:22:59 | |
SANJEEV LAUGHS | 1:22:59 | 1:23:00 | |
While always keeping an eye on the box office, | 1:23:00 | 1:23:03 | |
commercial Indian cinema now has the confidence | 1:23:03 | 1:23:05 | |
to make more challenging movies too. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:07 | |
When I joined films, we were told to put our personal thoughts | 1:23:07 | 1:23:11 | |
and feelings onto a back burner and to do what is required, | 1:23:11 | 1:23:16 | |
because ultimately we're catering to a market, | 1:23:16 | 1:23:19 | |
and now that market is becoming very much like we think. | 1:23:19 | 1:23:22 | |
So that's very exciting and liberating, that you can think | 1:23:22 | 1:23:25 | |
and have ideas and act on a sensibility that is yours, | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
rather than trying to cater to what I would call | 1:23:28 | 1:23:32 | |
a simple people in a simple way. | 1:23:32 | 1:23:35 | |
It can get more interesting in terms of stories that people wouldn't have | 1:23:35 | 1:23:41 | |
made five or ten years ago because they wouldn't have seen | 1:23:41 | 1:23:44 | |
any financial value in making that story, | 1:23:44 | 1:23:46 | |
they would have called it niche. | 1:23:46 | 1:23:47 | |
When I started my career, | 1:23:47 | 1:23:49 | |
Aditya Chopra said I'm a multiplex hero, | 1:23:49 | 1:23:52 | |
meaning I'm not Shah Rukh Khan, doing things for all India. | 1:23:52 | 1:23:59 | |
And that I should focus on something like that, | 1:23:59 | 1:24:01 | |
and now, just a few years later, a multiplex hero would have | 1:24:01 | 1:24:06 | |
many takers for being an extremely lucrative professional. | 1:24:06 | 1:24:09 | |
But now, I've got choice. | 1:24:09 | 1:24:12 | |
So I can go and see Lunchbox and feel fulfilled, | 1:24:12 | 1:24:16 | |
I can go and see Dhoom 3 and feel fulfilled, | 1:24:16 | 1:24:19 | |
and - as I did - I can go and watch them both... | 1:24:19 | 1:24:23 | |
and feel doubly fulfilled. | 1:24:23 | 1:24:25 | |
Where it's headed? | 1:24:25 | 1:24:27 | |
A lot of people look to Bollywood as a surviving film industry that | 1:24:27 | 1:24:33 | |
hasn't been totally taken over by Hollywood, | 1:24:33 | 1:24:36 | |
and even though in our industry we have films like | 1:24:36 | 1:24:38 | |
Transformers releasing, and we get a bit nervous, saying, | 1:24:38 | 1:24:41 | |
"Damn, we've got Transformers releasing next weekend, | 1:24:41 | 1:24:43 | |
"what's going to happen?", but they haven't taken over yet. | 1:24:43 | 1:24:46 | |
HE SHOUTS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:24:46 | 1:24:48 | |
While Indian audiences may have acquired a taste for | 1:24:50 | 1:24:53 | |
Western production values, the stories that appeal to them | 1:24:53 | 1:24:55 | |
somehow remain fundamentally Indian. | 1:24:55 | 1:24:59 | |
Actually, India is the only country where Hollywood films don't do well. | 1:24:59 | 1:25:03 | |
And surprisingly, I had a meeting with guys at Sony Pictures, | 1:25:03 | 1:25:08 | |
it's the only country where the business of Hollywood cinema | 1:25:08 | 1:25:11 | |
-has decreased in the last five years. -Why is that? | 1:25:11 | 1:25:14 | |
Because there's been a lot of co-financing, a lot of mergers. | 1:25:14 | 1:25:17 | |
I think culture. I was very surprised when I was told, | 1:25:17 | 1:25:21 | |
but I think it's because we're really different | 1:25:21 | 1:25:24 | |
in terms of culture, and we've still resisted the influence. | 1:25:24 | 1:25:30 | |
If we made great films, like Raj Kappor used to make, | 1:25:30 | 1:25:33 | |
and catered to that market | 1:25:33 | 1:25:35 | |
and organised international distribution, | 1:25:35 | 1:25:37 | |
there would be an alternative to Hollywood, | 1:25:37 | 1:25:39 | |
and there is a large section of the world | 1:25:39 | 1:25:42 | |
that isn't American, that isn't basically... | 1:25:42 | 1:25:45 | |
That doesn't think like a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant. | 1:25:45 | 1:25:49 | |
-You know? -Mmm. -So there's a market there. | 1:25:49 | 1:25:53 | |
SHE SINGS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:25:53 | 1:25:55 | |
The phenomenal growth of the global market for Indian movies, | 1:25:55 | 1:25:59 | |
combined with its huge potential, | 1:25:59 | 1:26:01 | |
mean that Indian cinema is developing at an astonishing rate, | 1:26:01 | 1:26:04 | |
with films being made in every genre | 1:26:04 | 1:26:07 | |
and appealing to all of India's diverse population. | 1:26:07 | 1:26:10 | |
This really is a golden age of Indian cinema, as I see it, | 1:26:12 | 1:26:15 | |
and I think as most people working here today in cinema see it. | 1:26:15 | 1:26:19 | |
It's a time when all sorts of genres are working. | 1:26:19 | 1:26:21 | |
As long as you're delivering an entertaining film | 1:26:21 | 1:26:23 | |
that engages your audience, you don't need to be tied down to one | 1:26:23 | 1:26:26 | |
sort of cinema, which you were for years in India earlier. | 1:26:26 | 1:26:29 | |
And art and commercial cinema today are not really words | 1:26:29 | 1:26:32 | |
we use at all, it's either a good film or it isn't. | 1:26:32 | 1:26:35 | |
From the '50s song epics of the early years, | 1:26:42 | 1:26:45 | |
to the golden age of parallel cinema, | 1:26:45 | 1:26:47 | |
from the angry young man to hi-tech sci-fi, | 1:26:47 | 1:26:50 | |
Indian cinema has come a very long way. | 1:26:50 | 1:26:53 | |
From humble beginnings, | 1:26:58 | 1:26:59 | |
it's broadened into a massive global industry. | 1:26:59 | 1:27:04 | |
But somehow managed to retain a distinctly Indian identity. | 1:27:04 | 1:27:08 | |
HE CRIES OUT IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:27:08 | 1:27:09 | |
Today, Indian films are reaching far beyond | 1:27:12 | 1:27:16 | |
the traditional limits of Bollywood. | 1:27:16 | 1:27:18 | |
So I kind of found myself falling in love with Indian film... | 1:27:20 | 1:27:26 | |
in a kind of deeper and more meaningful way than I ever did. | 1:27:26 | 1:27:32 | |
Because all the stuff that I got from Indian films | 1:27:32 | 1:27:35 | |
from being a kid, all the nostalgia stuff, | 1:27:35 | 1:27:38 | |
the sounds, some of the visuals, | 1:27:38 | 1:27:42 | |
and the language of my parents | 1:27:42 | 1:27:44 | |
and some of those very Indian moves in dance and music, | 1:27:44 | 1:27:47 | |
are still there. | 1:27:47 | 1:27:49 | |
So I think Indian film right now is great. | 1:27:49 | 1:27:53 | |
I think it's involved in terms of its production values, | 1:27:53 | 1:27:57 | |
how it looks, how it's edited, | 1:27:57 | 1:27:59 | |
all the technical things are still great, | 1:27:59 | 1:28:02 | |
and all the things that I used to love about it, | 1:28:02 | 1:28:04 | |
I now understand the reasons why I love it. | 1:28:04 | 1:28:09 | |
Thank you very much. Goodnight. | 1:28:09 | 1:28:11 | |
CHEERING | 1:28:11 | 1:28:13 | |
MUSIC: Zoobi Doobi by Sonu Nigam and Shreya Ghoshal | 1:28:16 | 1:28:19 |