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MUSIC: "Symphony No. 2" by Elgar | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
Bernard Levin once wrote that the final piece of music he wanted | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
to hear before he died, provided he had sufficient notice, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
four or five hours, was Wagner's Die Meistersinger. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
HE LAUGHS Good heavens! | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
Is there a piece that would fall into that category for you? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
I haven't... I've thought a lot about dying, but not... | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
but haven't given much thought to the programme. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
When you say you've thought a lot about dying, in what way? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
Well, it's... | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
It's a universal problem, isn't it? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
And I think it should be spoken about quite openly and not made such | 0:01:51 | 0:01:57 | |
a dreadful future experience which you don't want to think about. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
'It's been going on a long time. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
'An awful lot of people have managed to die quite decently. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
'I think, probably,' | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
I'd have Mozart's string quintets. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
For as long as it takes! | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
# Surely | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
# Surely | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
# He hath borne... # | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
Now, if you watch me... Would you please watch, all of you? | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
And then you won't sing that note too short, because... | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
For the thousands of amateurs who sang with him | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
during his 62 years as a conductor, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
rehearsing with Sir Colin Davis was an unforgettable, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
life-enhancing experience. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
You know how this goes... | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
# Surely | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
# Surely | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
-# He hath borne... # -Great big crescendo! | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
# Our griefs... # | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
-Crescendo... -# And carried our sorrows | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
# Surely | 0:03:11 | 0:03:12 | |
# Surely | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
-# He hath borne... # -Basses, crescendo. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
# Our griefs | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
# And carried our sorrows... # | 0:03:20 | 0:03:26 | |
That's great. Now... | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
'Have you yourself sung in a large choir?' | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
'Yes, when I was young, I was lucky enough to be given a lot of singing lessons,' | 0:03:32 | 0:03:38 | |
and he said, "You've got to learn not to be afraid of your own voice... | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
"..but nobody will ever come to hear you sing." | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Oh, that was perfectly true. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:49 | |
Oh, dear. Oh, dear. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
What I thought we would do | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
is to play each movement without stopping. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
If there are any big catastrophes, we'll put them right. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
If there aren't any, we'll go on to the next one. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
So we get a feel of what it's like. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
As the years began to catch up with him, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Sir Colin devoted more and more of his time to the young. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
HE HUMS | 0:04:15 | 0:04:16 | |
Pa-pa! | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
Pa-pa! | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
HE HUMS | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
When the tree is dying, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
it suddenly produces enormous quantities of fruit. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Maybe that's the stage we're in. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
HE HUMS | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
'We don't see any decline in the numbers who take up classical music, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
'going to these fantastic youth orchestras | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
'which play so amazingly well.' | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
And the standard of orchestras has gone up in the same way | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
over the last 30 years. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
'The way people talk about it, the tree is dying.' | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
You look so solemn! I hope it's fun, good lord! | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
Now, we'll have a rest. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
But I don't think it is dying. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
Colin Davis was one of seven children. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Both his parents were musical, but it wasn't until the age of 13, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
when he was at school at Christ's Hospital in Sussex, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
that he became hooked. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
My brothers had come home with a bag of records, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
and amongst which were discs of the Eighth Symphony of Beethoven. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:44 | |
And when I heard that, then... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
I really knew I had to be a musician. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
MUSIC: "Eighth Symphony" by Ludwig van Beethoven | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
It's bang, isn't it? It's... | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
It's as if Beethoven just burst through the door. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
It wasn't the only piece of music that I knew, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
but it was the point at which there was no help for it any more. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:28 | |
Why was that? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Oh... I don't know. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
Do you? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
Why it is... What happened to Saint Paul on the way to Damascus? | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
Was there any live music at home? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
No. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
No. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
Nobody played anything, except... | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
..I peeped on the clarinet. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
That was the only instrument. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Some nice chamber music moments there, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
because I was in a string quartet... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
..at Christ's Hospital. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
So we played the Mozart Quintet. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
Once you sit in an orchestra, the... | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
It's such a bewildering mixture of sounds when you start, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
and you've got to count your bars, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
and that doesn't seem to have much to do with the music. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
But...it's part of learning what it's like to be musician. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
His conducting career took him all over the world, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
with regular dates across Europe, and then the United States. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
He came to fame in the 1960s | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
as Sir Malcolm Sargent's successor at the Proms | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
and went on to run the music at the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
He was more or less self taught, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
but the veteran conductor Sir Adrian Boult did give him some advice | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
after attending one of his concerts. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
He came to me afterwards | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
and said, "My dear boy, you'll be a cripple if you go on like that. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
"You must go and see Barlow." | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
Doctor Barlow lived opposite the stage door of the Albert Hall. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:37 | |
And that's when I started an acquaintance with the Alexander technique. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:45 | |
I used to go to the LPO office, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
where Adrian Boult had a disc, and so on. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:56 | |
He said, "Just throw the juice over them like that. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
"Imagine you have a water cannon and you go, "Phoot!"" | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
And it's certainly true. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
-There was a passionate side to Boult, wasn't there? -I think so, yes. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
I think he was underestimated as a conductor. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
He was a very important figure in the lives of those who were... | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
..at school during the war. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
I mean, the only music we could get hold of was through the BBC, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
mostly conducted by Boult. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
And he did not maltreat music. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
If you wanted to hear what a Brahms symphony sounded like, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
it was just better to listen to him | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
than to somebody else who had freakish ideas about it. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
What was Boult like to meet? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
He was very charming. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Except when you mentioned the words "smug" and "Sargent". | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Then, he flew into this terrible rage. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
I didn't know what the history of that was, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
it was something to with Sargent getting me out of the BBC. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
There was some intrigue with the women, I think, there. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
So, we didn't talk about that kind of thing. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Why he was so irascible, I have no idea. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
But I think we all go through that, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
and I am as old as he was when I knew him a bit. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
I can see how old age calms one down. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
Let's stop there. Can we go back to 214? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
The first note... | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
HE HUMS | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
However short any of the notes are, I think we should make them... | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
As a young man, David had his problems with orchestras, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
who often found him arrogant and impatient. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
He ended up as the LSO's longest-serving principal conductor. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
But his early years with them were sticky. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
Not least because he felt they didn't know how to play Stravinsky. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:06 | |
The LPO was a bit bloody-minded, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
I tried stupidly to do the symphony in C | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
and they can't... And they... | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
They didn't like me either. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
But that's the hazard of going through existence. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
What did you do in that situation? | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
Soldier on. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
Just going home in a huff... | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
And it's no use lecturing the orchestra - | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
they all behaved themselves | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
and tried to play the damn thing. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
So you just had to live through it. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Did you feel in those days you made enemies? | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
Of course. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
Yes. | 0:11:58 | 0:11:59 | |
There was one who I never identified. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
This was at Maida Vale, you know, remember the canteen there? | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
And I bought some lunch and I left it on the table | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
and I went... I don't know, I washed my hands or something. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
And when I came back, it was gone. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
Somebody had taken the trouble to deprive me of my lunch, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
so I thought it was fairly mean. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
'Can we phrase the...' | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
HE SINGS | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
..please, from two to nine? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
The fact that you did make enemies, was that your fault or theirs? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
I'm sure it was mine. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
Or maybe my...simple existence irritated them. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
How does one know? | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
What sort of person were you then? | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
What a question! | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
How the hell do I know? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
I've only been told that I was impossible. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
And I am ready to believe anything, since I don't know. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
Never mind. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
One of the things we might...try... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
'But there came a point when you decided to change course and to...' | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
'Yes, there was.' | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
I was wandering along Camden Passage... | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
..feeling pretty gloomy, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
and I...then decided... | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
..I would rather be a decent human being... | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
..than an idiot conductor. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
I would have been about 35 then. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
So that was a really long journey. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
What I did... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
..was I married and had a family. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Which was probably the, the biggest... | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
..step in that direction. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:18 | |
I had been married before, so I knew... | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
And that did really not come to a very good end. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:29 | |
So I started again. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
And we had five children. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
When I say that to young people now, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
they say, "Five children! How did you manage that?" | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
And then, again, I have to say, "I really don't know." | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:14:55 | 0:14:56 | |
Except there was the determination to do it. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
His passion for making music with children lasted into his 80s, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
when he launched the School's Orchestra, in London. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Some of them were only nine years old. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
They meet once a year, towards the end of the summer term, I think, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
after all the exams are over. They tackle quite difficult music. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
Well, it's pretty well the hardest work you ever do. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
Cos they've got to learn to listen, which is the hardest thing, perhaps. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
You're quite demanding of them, though, aren't you? | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Well, of course, why not? It's no use talking down to kids, I don't think. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
I think you should just confront them with what it is they have to do. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
Are they quite responsive? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Oh, yes. I mean, they try very hard. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
Some of them don't know how to respond, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
because they don't know what they're being asked to do. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
But you've got time to tackle all that, as far as you can. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
But they did improve enormously. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
And what is so gratifying is that it's still going. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
Colin Davis became almost a household name some 40 years earlier, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
when he took over the Proms season from Sir Malcolm Sargent, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
who was dying of cancer. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Davis had little time for the hijinks of the Last Night, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
whereas Sargent had loved every moment. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
There's been one conspicuous absentee from these celebrations... | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
in... | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
as you know, Sir Malcolm Sargent. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Now, before you say anything at all, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
I have a great pleasure in telling you... | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
INDISTINCT SHOUTING | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
Don't be so rude! | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
CHEERING | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
I was going to say... | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
that Sir Malcolm Sargent is in fact here, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
and I know that you would like to pay to him your respects. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
And I will go and get him. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:05 | |
RAPTUROUS APPLAUSE | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
'When he insisted on coming to make that speech, at the Last Night...' | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
..when he could hardly walk... I mean, he died a few days later. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
'And we were all afraid he was going to fall over,' | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
so I was told to stand there, "And you can catch him." | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
I feel tonight I'm an intruder. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
-Rubbish! -UPROAR | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
I'll tell you why. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
I didn't win a seat in the ballot and I haven't bought a ticket. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:46 | 0:18:47 | |
Whose idea was it? | 0:18:50 | 0:18:51 | |
His, I'm sure. Absolutely certain. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
'He lived for it, he lived for the adulation of the audience.' | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
I had a charming letter from somebody who said, "Just like you, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
"the young conductors stand, waiting for him to die and get into his place." | 0:19:11 | 0:19:17 | |
And I was astounded that people could be so offensive. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
You must have picked up some vibes from the orchestral musicians | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
-as to what... -Well, nobody liked him, no. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
I mean, one doesn't want to say that, but they didn't. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
I mean, he was full of nonsense, because he lived in a flat... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:40 | |
opposite the stage door of the... | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
..of the Albert Hall, and he insisted on making that 50-yard journey | 0:19:46 | 0:19:52 | |
in a Rolls, so that he could turn up like some kind of royalty. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:59 | |
When he was ill, in hospital, in the end of his life, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
and he had all his scores there, on the bed, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
and every conceivable free spot on the... | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
..opening pages of the score, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
he printed his name... from a rubber stamp, or he wrote it. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:24 | |
Extraordinary thing to do. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
What we have to try to do here is to set up the most saturated string sound. Excuse me. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
No lifting of the bow, no slowing down at either end. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
It must go right through. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
Ignore the lines, they're just long notes. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
Start once more. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
Not to stop the bow, anybody - | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
please don't stop the bow from sounding on the strings, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
so there is no possibility for any of the notes being detached from any other. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:56 | |
HE HUMS | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
'Music is, of course, very little to do with beating time. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
'Anyone can beat time, and it's extraordinarily boring. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
'But what you can do with a baton is quite extraordinary. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
'You can indicate the kind of way you want people to play.' | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
Very slow crotchets. HE SINGS | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
'It is the key to playing together and making shapes and sizes | 0:21:40 | 0:21:47 | |
'and all the things you can do with something | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
'which is partly a rapier, partly an arrow, partly a bow, and so on.' | 0:21:50 | 0:21:58 | |
HE SINGS | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
'It takes a lot of doing. It's not easy.' | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Now, in the next bit, will you change your bow where you feel like it? | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
Good. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
A lot of conductors now don't use the baton at all | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
-and use just their hands. -Mm-hm. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
-Is that something...? -I tried that. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
Because I was trying to find out how to do anything. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
But it just means you have to move your arm much more, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
and that's not a good use of energy, really. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
It's really wasteful and rather confusing sometimes. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
Now, more crescendo, can you? | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
If you're in a time of 4/4 and you're playing fairly slowly, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:20 | |
beating time is not expressive - it just goes like that. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
And that doesn't tell anybody anything about the way you want them to play, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
whereas if you drag your stick around | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
as though you're pulling it through some thick liquid, like honey... | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
..you can pull the bows through the music that way, for example. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:45 | |
And if you want to have a forte piano, you can go... | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
And you keep quite still. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Eventually, they will do it, they will... | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
..strike the bow on the string and stop the speed of it. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
It's a very dramatic effect. I'm just saying these are things you can do. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
And, in fact, most music - especially fast music - | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
doesn't consist of downbeats at all. They're all up. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
One, two, three... | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
One, two... | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
They're not down and up. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
Downbeats are... They tend to bring things to a stop. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
But to keep the music off the ground, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
you're mostly going upwards, like that. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
People often think, well, do conductors stand in front of a mirror, practising? | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Maybe they do. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
I don't know. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Standing in front of a mirror is a totally narcissistic effort, I think. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:56 | |
And that will certainly not help you. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
Have you ever done it yourself? | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
I can't remember. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
Standing in front of a mirror? No, I don't think so. I mean... | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
..you inevitably look in the mirror to see that your zip isn't undone | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
and your tie isn't fluttering away where it shouldn't. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
But you don't, er... | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
Most normal musicians wouldn't do that. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
-The other thing is... -Fifth... 36, yeah, 36. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
I don't know what my friends think, but when I look at you, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
too many of these, they are like downbeats. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
-One, two... And sometimes, I don't know where you are. -OK. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
I mean, keep the plan of action and it'll help enormously. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
Good. 36. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
'All I do is I suggest ways of doing things. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
'But usually, the young men or young women, they are so - quite properly - | 0:26:09 | 0:26:16 | |
'daunted by having to appear in front of the London Symphony Orchestra | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
'that they, er, they get panicky and they do only what they think... | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
'what they have learnt to do. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
'I mean, they are not flexible in their movements.' | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
You see, what happened was this bar just sort of... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
It's still waiting for you to do something, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
instead of leading us into the next one. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
Do you see what I mean? | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
OK. 36. And we'll lead. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
'Using a speaking stick, an acting stick, gets the music out of you. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:59 | |
'If you don't get it out of yourself, it gets locked in there and you're | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
'not expressing anything to them, you are expressing yourself to yourself.' | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
The greatest hindrance in a performer is to, er... | 0:27:11 | 0:27:17 | |
not to discipline his ego. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
'You're there for the musicians. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
'Of course you're there for yourself and you love doing it, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
'but that has nothing to do with the music at all. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
'That's your own particular self-indulgence.' | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
That's it. Yes, but then you bullied it, you see, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
it's not pushing it forward, but it's not letting it hang back. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
That's all. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
And I know I'm a sentimental old man, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
but if you do the bar before C, please... | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
HE SINGS ALONG | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
It's one of those magical cadences, because it's a dominant | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
and a sub-dominant all at once, you've got all three, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
it's always so beautiful, don't you think so? | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
The whole thing's a love song about the countryside or whatever, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
it seems to be a huge pastoral symphony, doesn't it? | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
'The problem is, learning music is difficult enough, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
'but it's dealing with all those people that's the problem.' | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
Because you can't have an orchestra which is talking all the time, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
or grumbling, or not paying any attention. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
Because that's not what they are there for. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
We are all there to co-operate with one another, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
and I think that is a bit of the miracle of orchestras. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
All these people come from diverse backgrounds, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
completely different temperaments, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
a lot of them very highly intelligent, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
and they hang up their jackets and their egos | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
and they march onto the platform and agree to play some vast symphony. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
Every man and woman in that orchestra has to be listening the whole time, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:38 | |
as well as playing all the notes. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
And I think that many people, perhaps politicians are obvious ones, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:47 | |
might learn a bit from that. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
If I were the Prime Minister... | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
When do they open Parliament in the morning? | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
I don't know, is it 10:30 or 11 or something? | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
And they would have to sit down and listen to the first movement | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
of a string quartet, to stop them talking! | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
Because, you know, all this talk, such wasteful rubbish. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
I know you think I've gone a bit crazy now, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
but, I mean, I think it would be a rather good effect! | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
MUSIC: "Grande Messe des Morts" by Hector Berlioz | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
Throughout his career, Sir Colin championed the music of Berlioz. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
50 years ago, he launched the first City of London Festival | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
in St Paul's Cathedral with his thrilling Requiem. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
Last June, at the age of 84, he conducted it again. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
It was to be his final concert with the London Symphony Orchestra. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
THEY SING IN LATIN | 0:31:45 | 0:31:51 | |
Where did you first discover Berlioz? | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
It was at summer school at Bryanston. | 0:32:54 | 0:33:00 | |
We had, as part of the menu, the second part of Childhood of Christ. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:08 | |
And I had never heard this music before, I was completely | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
blown away by the melodies | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
and the delicacy of the whole work. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
So, that's when that started. So I had to find out more about Berlioz. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:29 | |
Of course, that led to wonderful experiences, like doing | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
the Trojans, and the Requiem, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
in big cathedrals and so on. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
THEY SING IN LATIN | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
Does anybody know what all that fuss about Berlioz was? | 0:34:01 | 0:34:07 | |
I suppose it was the academics. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
Yes, the people who think you ought to write music like this, or... | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
..you know, there is only one way of doing anything. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
THEY SING IN LATIN | 0:34:18 | 0:34:23 | |
What sort of man would he have been like to meet, do you think? | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
Berlioz? Goodness knows. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
Impatient, arrogant. Very witty. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
He was a very, very intelligent man, after all. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
And I think Howard would have kept very quiet! | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
But perhaps some of those... Some of those adjectives might have | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
applied to you when you were very young? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
-Which ones do you mean? -Impatient, arrogant. -Yes, yes. -Witty? | 0:35:07 | 0:35:12 | |
Well, I'm not claiming that. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
I think most young people are... | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
..given to overweening ambition and... | 0:35:20 | 0:35:25 | |
..showing off. And aren't they? | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
I think Berlioz was a real performer in that direction. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
But it's just as well that he doesn't go on like that very long. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
And Mozart was as bad as anybody. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
He was going to show the world. In the end, he just wrote music. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
Thank God! | 0:35:58 | 0:35:59 | |
SHE SINGS IN GERMAN | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
HE SINGS IN GERMAN | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
Lovely! | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
He was the most obviously gifted composer. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:37 | |
He could write anything, any length. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
He had all kinds of deviousnesses | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
and...hidden melancholy. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:52 | |
He didn't have to hammer out music, like Beethoven did. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
And he wrote, on the whole, more profoundly than Haydn. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
And he found composing pretty... | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
He says he found it very difficult to write string quartets, but, er... | 0:37:09 | 0:37:15 | |
And I guess if he found something difficult, then it really was. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
THEY SING IN ITALIAN | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
Mozart was the other constant thread in Davis's life. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
His opera Don Giovanni was the first piece he conducted in public, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
at the age of 22. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
A few years later, still relatively unknown, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
he stepped in at the last minute to conduct it in London. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
He never looked back. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
It is Mozart who finally makes us | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
feel that we are acceptable human beings. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
Without his music, we would go home feeling unclean. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:57 | |
With his music, we go out of the theatre, dancing. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
I've never seen a production of Don Giovanni that I really liked. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:07 | |
Now, that's an impossible opera for you. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
Figaro is wonderful, I mean, you can hardly ruin that. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
I think, wasn't it Brahms who said, looking at the score of Figaro, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
he said, "How does a man like this write one masterpiece | 0:38:22 | 0:38:28 | |
"after another, and keep it up?" Which he did. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
Amazing. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:36 | |
For you, Maestro! | 0:38:38 | 0:38:39 | |
Davis was a controversial choice to succeed | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Sir Georg Solti as Music Director at the Royal Opera House. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
At first, he was besieged by critics, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
unimpressed by his love of Mozart and Berlioz. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
They wanted much more Verdi, Puccini and Wagner. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
No, they didn't like me. For some reason. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
I wasn't sufficient of a personality, I think. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
They howled at me and booed me, all those kind of things. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:23 | |
They used to shout at me when I came out of the stage door. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:32 | |
HE CHUCKLES Oh, dear. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I was extremely upset, some of the time. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
I think on one occasion when you were being booed onstage, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
you stuck out your tongue at the audience. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
Jolly good! Did I? I hope so. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
What about Peter Grimes? | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
Yes, that was another memorable occasion. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
Of course, we had John Vickers, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
who was the personification of Peter Grimes. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
Terrifying. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Wonderful piece. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
It was a very, very cheap production. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
It was one of the best. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
It lasted ages. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
I don't think Benjamin Britten liked it. That I can assure you. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
How do you know that? | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
He came. He didn't like it. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
But he sent me a letter. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
Was he critical, then? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Yes, he always was. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
But we had a feeling that he... | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
He hadn't quite realised what he'd let loose. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
It's a very violent piece | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
but it has some wonderful music. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
I think he thought I took much too much freedom with it. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
# For we, like sheep | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
# For we, like sheep... # | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Be confident that that's what you are. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
# For we, like sheep... # | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
And if you didn't hear it the first time... | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
# For we, like sheep | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
# Have gone astray... # | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
That's it. Now, all of those going astray have to be legato. Not... | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
# Astray... # | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
But legato as anything. Just on the voice. Let it blow. Away you go. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
Can we go from... | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
# Eh uh, bum, da da di di di... # | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
And one... | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
# He have turned | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
# Everyone to his own way... # | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
Crescendo, tenors. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
# His own way | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
# All we, like sheep... # | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
I can't hear the first note of "all". | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
# Have gone astray... # | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
No, no. Legato, legato. Not... | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
# Bum bum beem bum ba ba, te ah... # | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
And I didn't realise how long it takes to get a voice | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
to actually speak. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
So, what they tend to do is they keep to the music, because they're reading | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
very carefully, and they start to sing on the downbeat, and that's too late. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:54 | |
Because the voice won't be functioning | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
until a couple of seconds later. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
-# We have turned -# We have turned | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
-# We have turned -# We have turned | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
-# We have turned -# We have turned | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
-# We have turned -# We have turned | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
# Everyone to his own way... # | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
The secret of singing is always to breathe early enough so you... | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
The voice is actually available when it's got to be there. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
But there are an awful lot of professionals who fail us | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
in that respect. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:23 | |
# La mi dirai di si | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
# Mi trema... # | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
More "M". | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
A little earlier. Yeah? | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
La mi dirai... | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
# La mi dirai di si | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
# Mi trema un poco il cor... # | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
More "M". Mmm... | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
Mmm... | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
One week before! | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
# La mi dirai di si | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
# Mi trema... # | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
Sing only the M. Only "mmm". | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
Mmm. Mm-hm. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
# La mi dirai di si | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
# Mi trema un poco il cor | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
# Partiam ben mio, da qui | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
# Ma puo burlarmi ancor... # | 0:44:12 | 0:44:17 | |
If you want to sing "miserere", | 0:44:17 | 0:44:22 | |
you can pitch the M the same note as you are going to sing E. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
WITH CONSTANT PITCH: # Miserere... # | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
You can have that, which is a very, very...convenient thing. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:34 | |
There are certain unvoiced consonants, of course, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:39 | |
but you can imagine singing the word "sing". | 0:44:39 | 0:44:44 | |
WITH CONSTANT PITCH: # Sing... # | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
You can almost pitch it. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
But if you go... | 0:44:48 | 0:44:49 | |
WITH VARYING PITCH: # Sing... # | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
..it's that sound that one can't bear. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
People don't start on the note, they start somewhere else | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
and congregate after the note has gone. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
# Rex tremendae majestatis | 0:45:03 | 0:45:11 | |
# Rex tremendae majestatis... # | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
If you are singing "Rex tremendae", | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
the R of "Rex" comes before the orchestra. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:27 | |
It's a big solo, and things like "tremendae" take a lot of time. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:32 | |
So you've got to cheat the music and the language | 0:45:32 | 0:45:37 | |
so that they fit together. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
# Rex tremendae majestatis... # | 0:45:40 | 0:45:47 | |
The technique of actually singing in a chorus is more complicated | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
than one would think. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
And very rewarding, actually, when you can achieve that. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
Oh, it's fantastic, yes. It's wonderful. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
It's worth slogging away at it. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
Are you a religious man? | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
I don't know. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
I don't go to church and... | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
But I am deeply moved by the great religious music that we have. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
It's very interesting, isn't it, that the... | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
great romantic religious music is all about the requiem. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
And the last great mass was Beethoven's D Major Mass. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
And when I'm doing those pieces, I really... | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
I do believe in the whole thing. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
# Gloria in excelsis Deo | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
# Gloria in excelsis Deo | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
# Gloria in excelsis Deo | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
# Gloria in excelsis Deo | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
# Gloria! Gloria! | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
# In excelsis | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
# Gloria! Gloria! Gloria! | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
# Gloria in excelsis | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
# Deo | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
# In excelsis Deo... # | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
The curious thing about those people, Mozart and Beethoven, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
Verdi, Berlioz - | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
they'd all been brought up in the church. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
They'd all rejected it. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
They sort of concocted a private religion, I think. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
They were not conventional religious people. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
And I think... | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
..I really belong in that class. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
# Gloria in excelsis Deo | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
# Gloria! Gloria! | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
# In excelsis Deo | 0:49:05 | 0:49:06 | |
# Gloria... | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
# Gloria! Gloria! | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
# Gloria! # | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
I was very fortunate to go to public school, where we had... | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
We went to chapel every day, and twice on Sundays. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:41 | |
So after six or seven years, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
you'd heard a great deal of the Scriptures, which was good. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
You may not believe in the God | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
we're expected to believe in, | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
but you do believe that, for example, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
if you take the practical precepts | 0:50:13 | 0:50:17 | |
of Christ's teaching, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
it's quite rational to apply them to one's life. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
The important thing, after all, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
is to rescue one's own corner of the world, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
which, of course, if everybody did that, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
we'd have a much better place to live in. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
It sounds simple. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
But there appear to be what are conventionally called | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
the forces of evil who don't want to do that. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
They want to make as much mayhem, bloodshed | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
and all the rest of it before they themselves have to die. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
Do you read the Bible sometimes? | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
Yes, and goodness me, what a thing that is! | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
We were doing Samson and Delilah | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
and I was reading around that story... | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
..really to discover that the people around at that time | 0:52:28 | 0:52:33 | |
were simply thugs. They were dreadful. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
And the complaint in Kings 11, where there are two women. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
There was a frightful siege of the city they were in | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
and they came to a compact whereby they would eat one child, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:52 | |
belonging to its mother, first, | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
and then when they'd eaten that one, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
they would move on to the other mother's child. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
And... | 0:53:02 | 0:53:03 | |
there's a frightful quarrel, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
because the second mother refused to do it in the end. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
Do you feel the world is a better place now, then? | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
I don't think so, no. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
Obviously, we have dubious machines like motorcars, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
and we have nice bathrooms | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
all the things they didn't have, | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
but I fear that the internal world of human beings | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
is exactly the same as it was 10,000 years ago. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
The barbarity of what's taking place as we speak | 0:53:41 | 0:53:47 | |
is not to be believed, is it? | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
There's this lust for destruction, hidden away somewhere. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
And the best weapon against the whole thing is music. Something like that. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:07 | |
# Peccata mundi... # | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
Are there parts of music that you still would like to explore? | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
Don't think so. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
I think if I couldn't go to work any more, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:31 | |
and I can still hear, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
I would listen to all kinds of other music | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
which I don't have time for now. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
Pre-classical church music. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
And... | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
to sit down and study the Beethoven piano sonatas, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:50 | |
which I've never done. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
And I vowed I'd read the whole of Shakespeare again before I die, | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
so I thought it about time I started on that. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
I did read it once before, because I thought, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
"Well, I can't last much longer." | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
But that's a long time ago. So I started again. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
And is there a piece you'd like to have conducted | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
last of all, as it were? | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
Good Lord! | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
No, I don't have sort of fantasies of that kind. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
It's very hard to arrange that, because... | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
..it takes two years to plan a piece, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
and death isn't amenable to our timetables. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:46 | |
I'll take it, whatever happens, when it happens. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
Does it frighten you, the thought of death? | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
No. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
Of course, like most people, I would like to die suddenly | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
of a stroke or something like that, and not hang around, decaying slowly. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:21 | |
But not being able to make an exit, that's dreadful. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
-And what do you think will happen? -When? -At death. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:38 | |
I've no idea. I mean... | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
..nobody knows. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
Can you give me any help? | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
I was just wondering if you think... | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
Does it mean silence? Do you think music will have a place after death? | 0:57:04 | 0:57:10 | |
I never thought about that. The most I can imagine is silence. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:17 | |
But then whatever one says, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
one is implying that one is going to experience whatever it is one says. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:31 | |
One isn't. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
So there's no point even talking about it. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
If there's silence, there's got to be somebody to notice it. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
It's... It's in short supply, this side of the grave. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:49 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
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