Colin Davis in His Own Words


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MUSIC: "Symphony No. 2" by Elgar

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Bernard Levin once wrote that the final piece of music he wanted

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to hear before he died, provided he had sufficient notice,

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four or five hours, was Wagner's Die Meistersinger.

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HE LAUGHS Good heavens!

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Is there a piece that would fall into that category for you?

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I haven't... I've thought a lot about dying, but not...

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but haven't given much thought to the programme.

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When you say you've thought a lot about dying, in what way?

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Well, it's...

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It's a universal problem, isn't it?

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And I think it should be spoken about quite openly and not made such

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a dreadful future experience which you don't want to think about.

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'It's been going on a long time.

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'An awful lot of people have managed to die quite decently.

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'I think, probably,'

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I'd have Mozart's string quintets.

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For as long as it takes!

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# Surely

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# Surely

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# He hath borne... #

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Now, if you watch me... Would you please watch, all of you?

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And then you won't sing that note too short, because...

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For the thousands of amateurs who sang with him

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during his 62 years as a conductor,

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rehearsing with Sir Colin Davis was an unforgettable,

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life-enhancing experience.

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You know how this goes...

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# Surely

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# Surely

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-# He hath borne... #

-Great big crescendo!

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# Our griefs... #

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-Crescendo...

-# And carried our sorrows

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# Surely

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# Surely

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-# He hath borne... #

-Basses, crescendo.

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# Our griefs

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# And carried our sorrows... #

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That's great. Now...

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'Have you yourself sung in a large choir?'

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'Yes, when I was young, I was lucky enough to be given a lot of singing lessons,'

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and he said, "You've got to learn not to be afraid of your own voice...

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"..but nobody will ever come to hear you sing."

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Oh, that was perfectly true.

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Oh, dear. Oh, dear.

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What I thought we would do

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is to play each movement without stopping.

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If there are any big catastrophes, we'll put them right.

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If there aren't any, we'll go on to the next one.

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So we get a feel of what it's like.

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As the years began to catch up with him,

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Sir Colin devoted more and more of his time to the young.

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HE HUMS

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Pa-pa!

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Pa-pa!

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HE HUMS

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When the tree is dying,

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it suddenly produces enormous quantities of fruit.

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Maybe that's the stage we're in.

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HE HUMS

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'We don't see any decline in the numbers who take up classical music,

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'going to these fantastic youth orchestras

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'which play so amazingly well.'

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And the standard of orchestras has gone up in the same way

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over the last 30 years.

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'The way people talk about it, the tree is dying.'

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You look so solemn! I hope it's fun, good lord!

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Now, we'll have a rest.

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But I don't think it is dying.

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Colin Davis was one of seven children.

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Both his parents were musical, but it wasn't until the age of 13,

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when he was at school at Christ's Hospital in Sussex,

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that he became hooked.

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My brothers had come home with a bag of records,

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and amongst which were discs of the Eighth Symphony of Beethoven.

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And when I heard that, then...

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I really knew I had to be a musician.

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MUSIC: "Eighth Symphony" by Ludwig van Beethoven

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It's bang, isn't it? It's...

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It's as if Beethoven just burst through the door.

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MUSIC CONTINUES

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It wasn't the only piece of music that I knew,

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but it was the point at which there was no help for it any more.

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Why was that?

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Oh... I don't know.

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Do you?

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Why it is... What happened to Saint Paul on the way to Damascus?

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Was there any live music at home?

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No.

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No.

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Nobody played anything, except...

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..I peeped on the clarinet.

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That was the only instrument.

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Some nice chamber music moments there,

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because I was in a string quartet...

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..at Christ's Hospital.

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So we played the Mozart Quintet.

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Once you sit in an orchestra, the...

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It's such a bewildering mixture of sounds when you start,

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and you've got to count your bars,

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and that doesn't seem to have much to do with the music.

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But...it's part of learning what it's like to be musician.

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His conducting career took him all over the world,

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with regular dates across Europe, and then the United States.

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He came to fame in the 1960s

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as Sir Malcolm Sargent's successor at the Proms

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and went on to run the music at the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden.

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He was more or less self taught,

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but the veteran conductor Sir Adrian Boult did give him some advice

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after attending one of his concerts.

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He came to me afterwards

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and said, "My dear boy, you'll be a cripple if you go on like that.

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"You must go and see Barlow."

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Doctor Barlow lived opposite the stage door of the Albert Hall.

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And that's when I started an acquaintance with the Alexander technique.

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I used to go to the LPO office,

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where Adrian Boult had a disc, and so on.

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He said, "Just throw the juice over them like that.

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"Imagine you have a water cannon and you go, "Phoot!""

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And it's certainly true.

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-There was a passionate side to Boult, wasn't there?

-I think so, yes.

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I think he was underestimated as a conductor.

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He was a very important figure in the lives of those who were...

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..at school during the war.

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I mean, the only music we could get hold of was through the BBC,

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mostly conducted by Boult.

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And he did not maltreat music.

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If you wanted to hear what a Brahms symphony sounded like,

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it was just better to listen to him

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than to somebody else who had freakish ideas about it.

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What was Boult like to meet?

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He was very charming.

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Except when you mentioned the words "smug" and "Sargent".

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Then, he flew into this terrible rage.

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I didn't know what the history of that was,

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it was something to with Sargent getting me out of the BBC.

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There was some intrigue with the women, I think, there.

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So, we didn't talk about that kind of thing.

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Why he was so irascible, I have no idea.

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But I think we all go through that,

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and I am as old as he was when I knew him a bit.

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I can see how old age calms one down.

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Let's stop there. Can we go back to 214?

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The first note...

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HE HUMS

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However short any of the notes are, I think we should make them...

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As a young man, David had his problems with orchestras,

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who often found him arrogant and impatient.

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He ended up as the LSO's longest-serving principal conductor.

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But his early years with them were sticky.

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Not least because he felt they didn't know how to play Stravinsky.

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The LPO was a bit bloody-minded,

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I tried stupidly to do the symphony in C

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and they can't... And they...

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They didn't like me either.

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But that's the hazard of going through existence.

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What did you do in that situation?

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Soldier on.

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Just going home in a huff...

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And it's no use lecturing the orchestra -

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they all behaved themselves

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and tried to play the damn thing.

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So you just had to live through it.

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Did you feel in those days you made enemies?

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Of course.

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Yes.

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There was one who I never identified.

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This was at Maida Vale, you know, remember the canteen there?

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And I bought some lunch and I left it on the table

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and I went... I don't know, I washed my hands or something.

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And when I came back, it was gone.

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Somebody had taken the trouble to deprive me of my lunch,

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so I thought it was fairly mean.

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'Can we phrase the...'

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HE SINGS

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..please, from two to nine?

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The fact that you did make enemies, was that your fault or theirs?

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I'm sure it was mine.

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Or maybe my...simple existence irritated them.

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How does one know?

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What sort of person were you then?

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What a question!

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How the hell do I know?

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I've only been told that I was impossible.

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And I am ready to believe anything, since I don't know.

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Never mind.

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One of the things we might...try...

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'But there came a point when you decided to change course and to...'

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'Yes, there was.'

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I was wandering along Camden Passage...

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..feeling pretty gloomy,

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and I...then decided...

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..I would rather be a decent human being...

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..than an idiot conductor.

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I would have been about 35 then.

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So that was a really long journey.

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What I did...

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..was I married and had a family.

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Which was probably the, the biggest...

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..step in that direction.

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I had been married before, so I knew...

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And that did really not come to a very good end.

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So I started again.

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And we had five children.

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When I say that to young people now,

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they say, "Five children! How did you manage that?"

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And then, again, I have to say, "I really don't know."

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HE CHUCKLES

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Except there was the determination to do it.

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His passion for making music with children lasted into his 80s,

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when he launched the School's Orchestra, in London.

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Some of them were only nine years old.

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They meet once a year, towards the end of the summer term, I think,

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after all the exams are over. They tackle quite difficult music.

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Well, it's pretty well the hardest work you ever do.

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Cos they've got to learn to listen, which is the hardest thing, perhaps.

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You're quite demanding of them, though, aren't you?

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Well, of course, why not? It's no use talking down to kids, I don't think.

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I think you should just confront them with what it is they have to do.

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Are they quite responsive?

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Oh, yes. I mean, they try very hard.

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Some of them don't know how to respond,

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because they don't know what they're being asked to do.

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But you've got time to tackle all that, as far as you can.

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But they did improve enormously.

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And what is so gratifying is that it's still going.

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Colin Davis became almost a household name some 40 years earlier,

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when he took over the Proms season from Sir Malcolm Sargent,

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who was dying of cancer.

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Davis had little time for the hijinks of the Last Night,

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whereas Sargent had loved every moment.

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There's been one conspicuous absentee from these celebrations...

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in...

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as you know, Sir Malcolm Sargent.

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Now, before you say anything at all,

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I have a great pleasure in telling you...

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INDISTINCT SHOUTING

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Don't be so rude!

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CHEERING

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I was going to say...

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that Sir Malcolm Sargent is in fact here,

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and I know that you would like to pay to him your respects.

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And I will go and get him.

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RAPTUROUS APPLAUSE

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'When he insisted on coming to make that speech, at the Last Night...'

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..when he could hardly walk... I mean, he died a few days later.

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'And we were all afraid he was going to fall over,'

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so I was told to stand there, "And you can catch him."

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I feel tonight I'm an intruder.

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-Rubbish!

-UPROAR

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I'll tell you why.

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I didn't win a seat in the ballot and I haven't bought a ticket.

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LAUGHTER

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Whose idea was it?

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His, I'm sure. Absolutely certain.

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'He lived for it, he lived for the adulation of the audience.'

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I had a charming letter from somebody who said, "Just like you,

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"the young conductors stand, waiting for him to die and get into his place."

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And I was astounded that people could be so offensive.

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You must have picked up some vibes from the orchestral musicians

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-as to what...

-Well, nobody liked him, no.

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I mean, one doesn't want to say that, but they didn't.

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I mean, he was full of nonsense, because he lived in a flat...

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opposite the stage door of the...

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..of the Albert Hall, and he insisted on making that 50-yard journey

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in a Rolls, so that he could turn up like some kind of royalty.

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When he was ill, in hospital, in the end of his life,

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and he had all his scores there, on the bed,

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and every conceivable free spot on the...

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..opening pages of the score,

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he printed his name... from a rubber stamp, or he wrote it.

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Extraordinary thing to do.

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What we have to try to do here is to set up the most saturated string sound. Excuse me.

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No lifting of the bow, no slowing down at either end.

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It must go right through.

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Ignore the lines, they're just long notes.

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Start once more.

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Not to stop the bow, anybody -

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please don't stop the bow from sounding on the strings,

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so there is no possibility for any of the notes being detached from any other.

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HE HUMS

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'Music is, of course, very little to do with beating time.

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'Anyone can beat time, and it's extraordinarily boring.

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'But what you can do with a baton is quite extraordinary.

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'You can indicate the kind of way you want people to play.'

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Very slow crotchets. HE SINGS

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'It is the key to playing together and making shapes and sizes

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'and all the things you can do with something

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'which is partly a rapier, partly an arrow, partly a bow, and so on.'

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HE SINGS

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'It takes a lot of doing. It's not easy.'

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Now, in the next bit, will you change your bow where you feel like it?

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Good.

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A lot of conductors now don't use the baton at all

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-and use just their hands.

-Mm-hm.

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-Is that something...?

-I tried that.

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Because I was trying to find out how to do anything.

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But it just means you have to move your arm much more,

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and that's not a good use of energy, really.

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It's really wasteful and rather confusing sometimes.

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Now, more crescendo, can you?

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If you're in a time of 4/4 and you're playing fairly slowly,

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beating time is not expressive - it just goes like that.

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And that doesn't tell anybody anything about the way you want them to play,

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whereas if you drag your stick around

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as though you're pulling it through some thick liquid, like honey...

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..you can pull the bows through the music that way, for example.

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And if you want to have a forte piano, you can go...

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And you keep quite still.

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Eventually, they will do it, they will...

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..strike the bow on the string and stop the speed of it.

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It's a very dramatic effect. I'm just saying these are things you can do.

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And, in fact, most music - especially fast music -

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doesn't consist of downbeats at all. They're all up.

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One, two, three...

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One, two...

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They're not down and up.

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Downbeats are... They tend to bring things to a stop.

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But to keep the music off the ground,

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you're mostly going upwards, like that.

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People often think, well, do conductors stand in front of a mirror, practising?

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Maybe they do.

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I don't know.

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Standing in front of a mirror is a totally narcissistic effort, I think.

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And that will certainly not help you.

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Have you ever done it yourself?

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I can't remember.

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Standing in front of a mirror? No, I don't think so. I mean...

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..you inevitably look in the mirror to see that your zip isn't undone

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and your tie isn't fluttering away where it shouldn't.

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But you don't, er...

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Most normal musicians wouldn't do that.

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-The other thing is...

-Fifth... 36, yeah, 36.

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I don't know what my friends think, but when I look at you,

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too many of these, they are like downbeats.

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-One, two... And sometimes, I don't know where you are.

-OK.

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I mean, keep the plan of action and it'll help enormously.

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Good. 36.

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'All I do is I suggest ways of doing things.

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'But usually, the young men or young women, they are so - quite properly -

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'daunted by having to appear in front of the London Symphony Orchestra

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'that they, er, they get panicky and they do only what they think...

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'what they have learnt to do.

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'I mean, they are not flexible in their movements.'

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You see, what happened was this bar just sort of...

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It's still waiting for you to do something,

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instead of leading us into the next one.

0:26:400:26:42

Do you see what I mean?

0:26:420:26:45

OK. 36. And we'll lead.

0:26:450:26:48

'Using a speaking stick, an acting stick, gets the music out of you.

0:26:530:26:59

'If you don't get it out of yourself, it gets locked in there and you're

0:26:590:27:03

'not expressing anything to them, you are expressing yourself to yourself.'

0:27:030:27:08

The greatest hindrance in a performer is to, er...

0:27:110:27:17

not to discipline his ego.

0:27:170:27:19

'You're there for the musicians.

0:27:190:27:22

'Of course you're there for yourself and you love doing it,

0:27:220:27:25

'but that has nothing to do with the music at all.

0:27:250:27:28

'That's your own particular self-indulgence.'

0:27:280:27:32

That's it. Yes, but then you bullied it, you see,

0:27:350:27:38

it's not pushing it forward, but it's not letting it hang back.

0:27:380:27:41

That's all.

0:27:410:27:43

And I know I'm a sentimental old man,

0:27:430:27:46

but if you do the bar before C, please...

0:27:460:27:48

HE SINGS ALONG

0:27:510:27:54

It's one of those magical cadences, because it's a dominant

0:27:590:28:03

and a sub-dominant all at once, you've got all three,

0:28:030:28:06

it's always so beautiful, don't you think so?

0:28:060:28:08

The whole thing's a love song about the countryside or whatever,

0:28:080:28:12

it seems to be a huge pastoral symphony, doesn't it?

0:28:120:28:15

'The problem is, learning music is difficult enough,

0:28:150:28:18

'but it's dealing with all those people that's the problem.'

0:28:180:28:21

Because you can't have an orchestra which is talking all the time,

0:28:210:28:24

or grumbling, or not paying any attention.

0:28:240:28:28

Because that's not what they are there for.

0:28:300:28:33

We are all there to co-operate with one another,

0:28:330:28:36

and I think that is a bit of the miracle of orchestras.

0:28:360:28:41

All these people come from diverse backgrounds,

0:28:410:28:45

completely different temperaments,

0:28:450:28:47

a lot of them very highly intelligent,

0:28:470:28:50

and they hang up their jackets and their egos

0:28:500:28:53

and they march onto the platform and agree to play some vast symphony.

0:28:530:28:57

Every man and woman in that orchestra has to be listening the whole time,

0:29:320:29:38

as well as playing all the notes.

0:29:380:29:41

And I think that many people, perhaps politicians are obvious ones,

0:29:410:29:47

might learn a bit from that.

0:29:470:29:50

If I were the Prime Minister...

0:29:530:29:57

When do they open Parliament in the morning?

0:29:570:29:59

I don't know, is it 10:30 or 11 or something?

0:29:590:30:03

And they would have to sit down and listen to the first movement

0:30:030:30:07

of a string quartet, to stop them talking!

0:30:070:30:11

Because, you know, all this talk, such wasteful rubbish.

0:30:120:30:17

I know you think I've gone a bit crazy now,

0:30:200:30:22

but, I mean, I think it would be a rather good effect!

0:30:220:30:26

MUSIC: "Grande Messe des Morts" by Hector Berlioz

0:30:260:30:30

Throughout his career, Sir Colin championed the music of Berlioz.

0:30:420:30:45

50 years ago, he launched the first City of London Festival

0:31:030:31:06

in St Paul's Cathedral with his thrilling Requiem.

0:31:060:31:09

Last June, at the age of 84, he conducted it again.

0:31:180:31:22

It was to be his final concert with the London Symphony Orchestra.

0:31:280:31:32

THEY SING IN LATIN

0:31:450:31:51

Where did you first discover Berlioz?

0:32:500:32:53

It was at summer school at Bryanston.

0:32:540:33:00

We had, as part of the menu, the second part of Childhood of Christ.

0:33:010:33:08

And I had never heard this music before, I was completely

0:33:100:33:14

blown away by the melodies

0:33:140:33:18

and the delicacy of the whole work.

0:33:180:33:22

So, that's when that started. So I had to find out more about Berlioz.

0:33:230:33:29

Of course, that led to wonderful experiences, like doing

0:33:290:33:34

the Trojans, and the Requiem,

0:33:340:33:37

in big cathedrals and so on.

0:33:370:33:41

THEY SING IN LATIN

0:33:410:33:46

Does anybody know what all that fuss about Berlioz was?

0:34:010:34:07

I suppose it was the academics.

0:34:070:34:09

Yes, the people who think you ought to write music like this, or...

0:34:090:34:13

..you know, there is only one way of doing anything.

0:34:140:34:17

THEY SING IN LATIN

0:34:180:34:23

What sort of man would he have been like to meet, do you think?

0:34:270:34:30

Berlioz? Goodness knows.

0:34:300:34:33

Impatient, arrogant. Very witty.

0:34:350:34:39

He was a very, very intelligent man, after all.

0:34:450:34:50

And I think Howard would have kept very quiet!

0:34:500:34:52

But perhaps some of those... Some of those adjectives might have

0:34:570:35:02

applied to you when you were very young?

0:35:020:35:04

-Which ones do you mean?

-Impatient, arrogant.

-Yes, yes.

-Witty?

0:35:070:35:12

Well, I'm not claiming that.

0:35:120:35:15

I think most young people are...

0:35:150:35:18

..given to overweening ambition and...

0:35:200:35:25

..showing off. And aren't they?

0:35:270:35:30

I think Berlioz was a real performer in that direction.

0:35:320:35:35

But it's just as well that he doesn't go on like that very long.

0:35:400:35:44

And Mozart was as bad as anybody.

0:35:480:35:52

He was going to show the world. In the end, he just wrote music.

0:35:540:35:58

Thank God!

0:35:580:35:59

SHE SINGS IN GERMAN

0:36:010:36:06

HE SINGS IN GERMAN

0:36:160:36:20

Lovely!

0:36:280:36:30

He was the most obviously gifted composer.

0:36:310:36:37

He could write anything, any length.

0:36:370:36:41

He had all kinds of deviousnesses

0:36:420:36:46

and...hidden melancholy.

0:36:460:36:52

He didn't have to hammer out music, like Beethoven did.

0:36:530:36:57

And he wrote, on the whole, more profoundly than Haydn.

0:36:580:37:03

And he found composing pretty...

0:37:050:37:09

He says he found it very difficult to write string quartets, but, er...

0:37:090:37:15

And I guess if he found something difficult, then it really was.

0:37:150:37:19

THEY SING IN ITALIAN

0:37:190:37:23

Mozart was the other constant thread in Davis's life.

0:37:230:37:28

His opera Don Giovanni was the first piece he conducted in public,

0:37:280:37:32

at the age of 22.

0:37:320:37:34

A few years later, still relatively unknown,

0:37:340:37:37

he stepped in at the last minute to conduct it in London.

0:37:370:37:40

He never looked back.

0:37:400:37:42

It is Mozart who finally makes us

0:37:450:37:48

feel that we are acceptable human beings.

0:37:480:37:52

Without his music, we would go home feeling unclean.

0:37:520:37:57

With his music, we go out of the theatre, dancing.

0:37:570:38:00

I've never seen a production of Don Giovanni that I really liked.

0:38:010:38:07

Now, that's an impossible opera for you.

0:38:070:38:09

Figaro is wonderful, I mean, you can hardly ruin that.

0:38:130:38:17

I think, wasn't it Brahms who said, looking at the score of Figaro,

0:38:170:38:22

he said, "How does a man like this write one masterpiece

0:38:220:38:28

"after another, and keep it up?" Which he did.

0:38:280:38:32

Amazing.

0:38:350:38:36

For you, Maestro!

0:38:380:38:39

Davis was a controversial choice to succeed

0:38:470:38:50

Sir Georg Solti as Music Director at the Royal Opera House.

0:38:500:38:54

At first, he was besieged by critics,

0:38:540:38:56

unimpressed by his love of Mozart and Berlioz.

0:38:560:39:00

They wanted much more Verdi, Puccini and Wagner.

0:39:000:39:03

No, they didn't like me. For some reason.

0:39:040:39:07

I wasn't sufficient of a personality, I think.

0:39:090:39:14

They howled at me and booed me, all those kind of things.

0:39:170:39:23

They used to shout at me when I came out of the stage door.

0:39:260:39:32

HE CHUCKLES Oh, dear.

0:39:320:39:35

I was extremely upset, some of the time.

0:39:390:39:42

I think on one occasion when you were being booed onstage,

0:39:440:39:47

you stuck out your tongue at the audience.

0:39:470:39:50

Jolly good! Did I? I hope so.

0:39:500:39:53

What about Peter Grimes?

0:40:090:40:12

Yes, that was another memorable occasion.

0:40:120:40:15

Of course, we had John Vickers,

0:40:150:40:18

who was the personification of Peter Grimes.

0:40:180:40:21

Terrifying.

0:40:210:40:24

Wonderful piece.

0:40:370:40:39

It was a very, very cheap production.

0:40:390:40:42

It was one of the best.

0:40:430:40:45

It lasted ages.

0:40:450:40:48

I don't think Benjamin Britten liked it. That I can assure you.

0:40:530:40:58

How do you know that?

0:40:590:41:01

He came. He didn't like it.

0:41:010:41:03

But he sent me a letter.

0:41:050:41:07

Was he critical, then?

0:41:070:41:09

Yes, he always was.

0:41:090:41:11

But we had a feeling that he...

0:41:150:41:17

He hadn't quite realised what he'd let loose.

0:41:190:41:22

It's a very violent piece

0:41:250:41:27

but it has some wonderful music.

0:41:270:41:30

I think he thought I took much too much freedom with it.

0:41:310:41:35

# For we, like sheep

0:41:370:41:39

# For we, like sheep... #

0:41:410:41:43

Be confident that that's what you are.

0:41:430:41:46

# For we, like sheep... #

0:41:460:41:48

And if you didn't hear it the first time...

0:41:480:41:51

# For we, like sheep

0:41:510:41:53

# Have gone astray... #

0:41:530:41:57

That's it. Now, all of those going astray have to be legato. Not...

0:41:570:42:00

# Astray... #

0:42:000:42:02

But legato as anything. Just on the voice. Let it blow. Away you go.

0:42:020:42:05

Can we go from...

0:42:050:42:07

# Eh uh, bum, da da di di di... #

0:42:070:42:09

And one...

0:42:090:42:11

# He have turned

0:42:110:42:15

# Everyone to his own way... #

0:42:150:42:18

Crescendo, tenors.

0:42:180:42:20

# His own way

0:42:200:42:23

# All we, like sheep... #

0:42:230:42:25

I can't hear the first note of "all".

0:42:250:42:27

# Have gone astray... #

0:42:270:42:30

No, no. Legato, legato. Not...

0:42:300:42:32

# Bum bum beem bum ba ba, te ah... #

0:42:320:42:34

And I didn't realise how long it takes to get a voice

0:42:370:42:41

to actually speak.

0:42:410:42:44

So, what they tend to do is they keep to the music, because they're reading

0:42:440:42:48

very carefully, and they start to sing on the downbeat, and that's too late.

0:42:480:42:54

Because the voice won't be functioning

0:42:550:42:58

until a couple of seconds later.

0:42:580:43:00

-# We have turned

-# We have turned

0:43:000:43:02

-# We have turned

-# We have turned

0:43:020:43:04

-# We have turned

-# We have turned

0:43:040:43:06

-# We have turned

-# We have turned

0:43:060:43:09

# Everyone to his own way... #

0:43:090:43:11

The secret of singing is always to breathe early enough so you...

0:43:110:43:15

The voice is actually available when it's got to be there.

0:43:150:43:19

But there are an awful lot of professionals who fail us

0:43:190:43:22

in that respect.

0:43:220:43:23

# La mi dirai di si

0:43:230:43:26

# Mi trema... #

0:43:260:43:29

More "M".

0:43:290:43:31

A little earlier. Yeah?

0:43:310:43:33

La mi dirai...

0:43:330:43:35

# La mi dirai di si

0:43:350:43:38

# Mi trema un poco il cor... #

0:43:380:43:42

More "M". Mmm...

0:43:420:43:44

Mmm...

0:43:440:43:46

One week before!

0:43:460:43:49

# La mi dirai di si

0:43:510:43:53

# Mi trema... #

0:43:530:43:55

Sing only the M. Only "mmm".

0:43:550:43:58

Mmm. Mm-hm.

0:43:580:44:01

# La mi dirai di si

0:44:020:44:05

# Mi trema un poco il cor

0:44:050:44:10

# Partiam ben mio, da qui

0:44:100:44:12

# Ma puo burlarmi ancor... #

0:44:120:44:17

If you want to sing "miserere",

0:44:170:44:22

you can pitch the M the same note as you are going to sing E.

0:44:220:44:26

WITH CONSTANT PITCH: # Miserere... #

0:44:260:44:29

You can have that, which is a very, very...convenient thing.

0:44:290:44:34

There are certain unvoiced consonants, of course,

0:44:340:44:39

but you can imagine singing the word "sing".

0:44:390:44:44

WITH CONSTANT PITCH: # Sing... #

0:44:440:44:46

You can almost pitch it.

0:44:460:44:48

But if you go...

0:44:480:44:49

WITH VARYING PITCH: # Sing... #

0:44:490:44:51

..it's that sound that one can't bear.

0:44:510:44:54

People don't start on the note, they start somewhere else

0:44:540:44:58

and congregate after the note has gone.

0:44:580:45:02

# Rex tremendae majestatis

0:45:030:45:11

# Rex tremendae majestatis... #

0:45:150:45:19

If you are singing "Rex tremendae",

0:45:190:45:22

the R of "Rex" comes before the orchestra.

0:45:220:45:27

It's a big solo, and things like "tremendae" take a lot of time.

0:45:270:45:32

So you've got to cheat the music and the language

0:45:320:45:37

so that they fit together.

0:45:370:45:40

# Rex tremendae majestatis... #

0:45:400:45:47

The technique of actually singing in a chorus is more complicated

0:45:510:45:55

than one would think.

0:45:550:45:57

And very rewarding, actually, when you can achieve that.

0:45:590:46:02

Oh, it's fantastic, yes. It's wonderful.

0:46:020:46:04

It's worth slogging away at it.

0:46:040:46:06

Are you a religious man?

0:46:290:46:31

I don't know.

0:46:310:46:33

I don't go to church and...

0:46:360:46:39

But I am deeply moved by the great religious music that we have.

0:46:450:46:49

It's very interesting, isn't it, that the...

0:46:540:46:58

great romantic religious music is all about the requiem.

0:46:580:47:03

And the last great mass was Beethoven's D Major Mass.

0:47:060:47:11

And when I'm doing those pieces, I really...

0:47:190:47:22

I do believe in the whole thing.

0:47:220:47:25

# Gloria in excelsis Deo

0:47:300:47:32

# Gloria in excelsis Deo

0:47:320:47:36

# Gloria in excelsis Deo

0:47:360:47:39

# Gloria in excelsis Deo

0:47:390:47:43

# Gloria! Gloria!

0:47:430:47:45

# In excelsis

0:47:450:47:48

# Gloria! Gloria! Gloria!

0:47:480:47:52

# Gloria in excelsis

0:47:570:48:02

# Deo

0:48:020:48:04

# In excelsis Deo... #

0:48:040:48:07

The curious thing about those people, Mozart and Beethoven,

0:48:130:48:17

Verdi, Berlioz -

0:48:170:48:21

they'd all been brought up in the church.

0:48:210:48:25

They'd all rejected it.

0:48:260:48:29

They sort of concocted a private religion, I think.

0:48:290:48:33

They were not conventional religious people.

0:48:350:48:39

And I think...

0:48:400:48:43

..I really belong in that class.

0:48:440:48:46

# Gloria in excelsis Deo

0:48:460:48:50

# Gloria! Gloria!

0:49:020:49:05

# In excelsis Deo

0:49:050:49:06

# Gloria...

0:49:060:49:09

# Gloria! Gloria!

0:49:240:49:27

# Gloria! #

0:49:270:49:29

I was very fortunate to go to public school, where we had...

0:49:320:49:36

We went to chapel every day, and twice on Sundays.

0:49:360:49:41

So after six or seven years,

0:49:410:49:43

you'd heard a great deal of the Scriptures, which was good.

0:49:430:49:46

You may not believe in the God

0:50:040:50:06

we're expected to believe in,

0:50:060:50:09

but you do believe that, for example,

0:50:090:50:13

if you take the practical precepts

0:50:130:50:17

of Christ's teaching,

0:50:170:50:19

it's quite rational to apply them to one's life.

0:50:190:50:23

The important thing, after all,

0:50:250:50:27

is to rescue one's own corner of the world,

0:50:270:50:30

which, of course, if everybody did that,

0:50:300:50:32

we'd have a much better place to live in.

0:50:320:50:35

It sounds simple.

0:50:350:50:37

But there appear to be what are conventionally called

0:50:370:50:42

the forces of evil who don't want to do that.

0:50:420:50:45

They want to make as much mayhem, bloodshed

0:50:450:50:49

and all the rest of it before they themselves have to die.

0:50:490:50:52

Do you read the Bible sometimes?

0:52:070:52:10

Yes, and goodness me, what a thing that is!

0:52:100:52:14

We were doing Samson and Delilah

0:52:200:52:23

and I was reading around that story...

0:52:230:52:26

..really to discover that the people around at that time

0:52:280:52:33

were simply thugs. They were dreadful.

0:52:330:52:36

And the complaint in Kings 11, where there are two women.

0:52:390:52:42

There was a frightful siege of the city they were in

0:52:420:52:46

and they came to a compact whereby they would eat one child,

0:52:460:52:52

belonging to its mother, first,

0:52:520:52:55

and then when they'd eaten that one,

0:52:550:52:57

they would move on to the other mother's child.

0:52:570:53:00

And...

0:53:020:53:03

there's a frightful quarrel,

0:53:030:53:05

because the second mother refused to do it in the end.

0:53:050:53:09

Do you feel the world is a better place now, then?

0:53:150:53:18

I don't think so, no.

0:53:190:53:22

Obviously, we have dubious machines like motorcars,

0:53:220:53:26

and we have nice bathrooms

0:53:260:53:28

all the things they didn't have,

0:53:280:53:31

but I fear that the internal world of human beings

0:53:310:53:35

is exactly the same as it was 10,000 years ago.

0:53:350:53:39

The barbarity of what's taking place as we speak

0:53:410:53:47

is not to be believed, is it?

0:53:470:53:50

There's this lust for destruction, hidden away somewhere.

0:53:560:54:00

And the best weapon against the whole thing is music. Something like that.

0:54:020:54:07

# Peccata mundi... #

0:54:090:54:14

Are there parts of music that you still would like to explore?

0:54:170:54:21

Don't think so.

0:54:240:54:26

I think if I couldn't go to work any more,

0:54:260:54:31

and I can still hear,

0:54:310:54:33

I would listen to all kinds of other music

0:54:330:54:36

which I don't have time for now.

0:54:360:54:38

Pre-classical church music.

0:54:400:54:43

And...

0:54:430:54:45

to sit down and study the Beethoven piano sonatas,

0:54:450:54:50

which I've never done.

0:54:500:54:52

And I vowed I'd read the whole of Shakespeare again before I die,

0:54:580:55:02

so I thought it about time I started on that.

0:55:020:55:05

I did read it once before, because I thought,

0:55:060:55:09

"Well, I can't last much longer."

0:55:090:55:12

But that's a long time ago. So I started again.

0:55:120:55:15

And is there a piece you'd like to have conducted

0:55:200:55:23

last of all, as it were?

0:55:230:55:25

Good Lord!

0:55:250:55:27

No, I don't have sort of fantasies of that kind.

0:55:270:55:31

It's very hard to arrange that, because...

0:55:320:55:35

..it takes two years to plan a piece,

0:55:360:55:40

and death isn't amenable to our timetables.

0:55:400:55:46

I'll take it, whatever happens, when it happens.

0:55:500:55:53

Does it frighten you, the thought of death?

0:55:560:55:59

No.

0:55:590:56:01

Of course, like most people, I would like to die suddenly

0:56:110:56:15

of a stroke or something like that, and not hang around, decaying slowly.

0:56:150:56:21

But not being able to make an exit, that's dreadful.

0:56:240:56:27

-And what do you think will happen?

-When?

-At death.

0:56:330:56:38

I've no idea. I mean...

0:56:380:56:41

..nobody knows.

0:56:430:56:45

Can you give me any help?

0:56:570:56:59

I was just wondering if you think...

0:57:010:57:03

Does it mean silence? Do you think music will have a place after death?

0:57:040:57:10

I never thought about that. The most I can imagine is silence.

0:57:120:57:17

But then whatever one says,

0:57:220:57:26

one is implying that one is going to experience whatever it is one says.

0:57:260:57:31

One isn't.

0:57:310:57:33

So there's no point even talking about it.

0:57:330:57:36

If there's silence, there's got to be somebody to notice it.

0:57:370:57:41

It's... It's in short supply, this side of the grave.

0:57:430:57:49

APPLAUSE

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