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My old treasure chest. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
A couple of bits and pieces here. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
This is... | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
This actually is, it hasn't been cleaned for a while | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
because I really don't go in here that often | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
but it's the Sports Star of the Year 1981, Ireland. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
Look at that. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:30 | |
That's first place. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
That's disgusting. Naked. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
If you don't make it, nobody gives a shit. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
That's how I feel now. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
But 20 years ago, yes, I would have felt, you know, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
like, "Oh, shit, those guys screwed me over and they did this and they did that." | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
This album here, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
I think my sister might have put this one together for me. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
When I was racing I didn't think I was the best driver in the world, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
I knew I was the best driver in the world. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
That's one of mine, I remember that suit, that's one of my first ones. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
I just got, I got beat, I got beat by the system. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
There are lots of hard luck stories in Formula 1. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Tommy is the defining case study | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
because there's never been anybody quite that good that's never made it. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
True talent really stands out, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Fernando Alonso, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
Michael Schumacher, and Tommy had the talent of these guys, for sure. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
He just had that natural feel for a car. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Tommy Byrne was wild. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
Some of the things that he did were so unorthodox that only Tommy Byrne | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
ever could have done it | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
or will have ever done it. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
The problem is, he may have gone just too far. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
What you saw was what you got with him. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
Some people might think it, Tommy would say it, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
and I think it hurt him at the top end where there's | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
sponsors, where there's major manufacturers involved and they don't what | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
people that are a little bit wild like that. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
He got from nothing to Formula 1 in little more than four years. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:23 | |
We may never see a similar story ever again. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Hey, Sonny. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:36 | |
We will get going. My name is Brian Till. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
I'll be your lead instructor for the day. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
That just means that I talk more than the other guys do, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
but you've got a great group of guys back there in the back. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Tommy Byrne down at the end, very accomplished open wheel driver, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
-six, seven... -Seven. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
..Formula car championships over in Europe before he came to the United States, a little time in Formula 1. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
Tommy's been here at the school I think since '93, '94, '95. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
'94, 21 years now. You've been here what, 22? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
-Yeah. -Scary. -Long time, long time. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
So, Tommy and I used to race together a little bit. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
I crashed Tommy in Detroit one year. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
-No, you ran into me. -Did I? | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
Of course my car was broken. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
-Yeah. -I had to walk back. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
-Through the streets of, the downtown streets of Detroit. -Through the streets of Detroit, yeah. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
'Here's a guy who had come within fingertip reach of the pinnacle of | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
'the sport and it slid down the other side of the mountain | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
'when it just slipped from his grasp. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
'Some of us ended our careers on our own terms. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
'Tommy didn't.' | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
But for the longest time, Tommy went to sleep, woke up, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
and thought, "This isn't fair. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
"I should have, I would have, I could have." | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
Good job, P2. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
Mike and Carl, on deck. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
'To carry that with you when the door closes' | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
and you're the only person in the room. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
How loud are those voices? | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
Obviously, I wasn't the nicest guy in the world. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
There's just when you don't make it, people, you know, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
they try to say, well, you did this, you did that. But do you know what? | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
I just couldn't have anybody telling me what to do. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
There are various theories on Tommy Byrne the racing driver. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
One is that he royally messed up a potentially great career. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
The other one is that he wasn't given a fair shot | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
and I think Tommy's truth is always somewhere in that shade of grey | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
between those two extreme viewpoints. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
At the start of the '80s, the two hotshots were Tommy Byrne and Ayrton Senna. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
Had it not been for Senna arriving at around the same time, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
Tommy's talent would have been enough to carry him through. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
It would have been irresistible. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
Obviously, when you're trying to go racing and you're completely broke | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
all the time, and you're racing against people like Senna and the Brazilians | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
with all the money and you haven't got a pot to piss in, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
it does make a difference. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
I mean, you don't get the same respect. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
I think anybody would have a chip on their shoulder if they were treated | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
like shit after they win races, so many races. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
I'd win the exact same race that Senna won, I'd win it first, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
he'd win it the year after, and suddenly it's like, you know, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
"Who's Tommy Byrne?" And when Senna won it's like the second coming of Christ. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
And that's just the way life is, you know? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
People treat you different when you're broke and when you're rich. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
What could I change? Be born a millionaire with a silver fucking spoon up my ass. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
It's a little overgrown since the last time I was here, that's for sure. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
Yeah. | 0:05:58 | 0:05:59 | |
Oh, man, look at this. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
So, I used to ride my motorcycle all the way through here at night when | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
I'd come home at 15 years of age. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Drive through there, drive all the way through here, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
drive up and drive in the door. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
'I just couldn't control myself with speed. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
'I had to be flat-out everywhere. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
'And I worked at the gas station across the road, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
'everybody was talking about the day they would go there and I wouldn't | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
'be there any more because I'd be dead. Because everywhere they went I was flying.' | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Flying down the roads. Flat-out. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
Couldn't slow down. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
That's what happens when you're born in the back of the car on the way to the hospital. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
INDISTINCT SINGING AND CONVERSATION | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
"Tommy Byrne away to a flying start." | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
"Three firsts for Irish." | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
"Sports star of the week." | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
'Whatever chance they had of controlling me when I was | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
'nine or ten or 11, they had no chance at all when I was 15, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
'16 years of age. I just didn't listen.' | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
When he was a child, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
he was a nuisance to everybody around him. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
-How's it's going, Maurice? -Oh, I'm humbled. -How's it going? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Yeah, very good. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
'Now I thought he was a little bastard at that stage. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
'He was just a little brat. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
'Tommy would have had a rough childhood brought on mainly by himself,' | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
by his attitude and by the way he carried on and no law was written | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
for Tommy Byrne. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
'He just had that cockiness in him that he would have to do it | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
'his own way.' | 0:07:59 | 0:08:00 | |
You see, that's really as little as I thought of you over the last number of years, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
Tommy. They're up there. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
Thanks, Maurice. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
Show me, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
-show me what you've got there. -That would be quite an important one. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Is that the British Grand Prix one? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
That's the British Grand Prix one. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
Look at that. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
Is this the Championship one, Maurice? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
You think it would be maybe a little bit looked after better than that. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
-Well, look at this. -You didn't even know where to wear it to. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
No, I didn't, you're right. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
I think that's an old shell from World War II or something. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
But they've been lying up there for... | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
It's the same in my own house back in Florida, the same thing. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
-You tell me. -Trophies in boxes. Look at that. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
See if you can clean that one. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
We had the annual Tommy Byrne Dinner Dance to make me money and I think I | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
earned £300, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
that was as much money that was collected for that one particular dance. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
Enough money to get me some clothes. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
We needed 300,000. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
Yes! | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
When he came on the scene in Mondello, I was quite surprised. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Here was this small guy, very cocky. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
No-one could quite understand him, he spoke so quickly, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
and he had a very pronounced Dundalk accent. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
I wouldn't say he was like a fish out of water but he came from a | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
background that normally motor-racing people | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
wouldn't be part of. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
So he was a big surprise to that element. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Tommy's face, his personality, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
his background was always going to be a difficult fit. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
It's a very elitist sport, whereas Tommy was from a very, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
very poor working-class background | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
and so the odds of him succeeding were very slim. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
I think '77 is when I talked my mum into getting a loan from | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
the bank and I think we told the bank manager my sister was pregnant | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
and we had to build an extension on the house, which was true, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
my sister was pregnant, but there was no extension going on the house. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
The extension was going into Formula Ford 1600 Crossle. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
It was £1,250 and then we went to Mondello for the first race, and just | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
rednecks, out of sync with everything. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
There was this kid, looked like a 13-year-old that fell out of the back of a bus | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
and he was just flinging the car around with complete abandon and I | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
thought, "This kid is good, this kid is exceptional." | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
But I figured I was passing cars so I must be doing something right. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
It turns out they were just scared because a crazy bastard's coming up | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
behind them and he's either going to run into them or not so they would | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
just let me by. But I learned my craft by crashing. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
I crashed all year in that car. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
The car was always coming home in more than one piece. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
It left in one piece and came home in two, three, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
sometimes 50 pieces, and my mum, she'd come out and take a look at it and she'd go, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
"When are you going to quit this nonsense and get a real job?" | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
And then I'd just be completely depressed, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
go to bed, wake up next morning with a completely different attitude and start again. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
At that time Bernard Devaney, Derek Daly, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
David Kennedy and Eddie Jordan were all in England. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
So I read about those guys and I'd seen pictures of them, you know, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
so obviously I thought, "If they can do it then I can do it." | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
So I left Ireland at the end of '78, and that was it. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
Never looked back. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:23 | |
The kid that came over from Ireland to England in '78, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
was raw, ragamuffin, chancer. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
Full of hope, massive talent, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
total self-belief, but that was all he had. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
So, the way the junior categories work is that you have professional teams | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
building the cars, creating the cars, fielding the cars. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
That all costs money. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
By and large, the teams don't go and get drivers. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
What happens is the drivers bring the money to the team to run them. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Whether that's commercial sponsorship or family money or whatever, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
it's that that sustains the junior categories in motor racing. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
It's very, very rare that anyone gets a drive for free | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
but Tommy managed to get a drive for free. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
-ARCHIVE: -Ralph Firman started his own firm, Van Diemen, in the early '70s. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
Van Diemen has won every major Formula Ford championship in England | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
since 1977, and for that you need drivers with talent and nerve. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
If we feel that we haven't got such a driver then we will sponsor one | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
ourselves. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
Van Diemen have been very successful over the years because, A, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Ralph picks winners and, B, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
he didn't want that winner in someone else's car, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
so he certainly recognised Tommy's talents early. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
He knew Tommy didn't have any money so you could hardly ask him for money. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
If you wanted him in the car he was going to have to give him the drive for free. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
-MURRAY WALKER: -And there is the man to watch. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
It is 21-year-old Tommy Byrne from Dundalk in Ireland | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
who has already won three Formula Ford races this year. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
When he came from Ireland, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
initially he was quick in the Formula Ford car, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
like lightning-quick. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Tommy Byrne is in a class of his own in Formula Ford racing this year. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
A string of wins, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
he just has to get into the car and he seems to be on his own. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
That was quite impressive for a guy straight over from a regional | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
championship to being at that level immediately. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
He was winning national Formula Ford races. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
I could learn tracks very fast. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
I was pretty good at reading how good the other guys were and how good I was. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
I just knew I had something different. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
He instinctively knew what to do. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
He would get the best out of the car no matter what it was doing. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
Tommy was the only person that I knew that was working on his own car. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
He had no other support. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
Everybody else was coming over, paying for a ride, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
expecting to get a full-time mechanic on the car. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
Tommy was his own mechanic and then getting in the car and racing. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
He did things with the car that you just...they weren't possible, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
you know, I know about racing cars, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
I watch racing cars and you watched this car going round the track with | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
this bloke in it and he just, that shouldn't be possible. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
Byrne has won race after race this year. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
He has really stamped his mark on Formula Ford racing. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
It was quite clear he had speed and he didn't succumb to any pressure, that's for sure. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
So that confidence went into the car. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
It wasn't a fake, showy thing, he just had that self-belief. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Jumped in the car, delivered and won the Championship. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
There, appropriately enough, is brilliant Tommy Byrne, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
the 1980 P&O Ferries and RAC Formula Ford Championships champion of 1980. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:49 | |
Tommy arrived in the UK as a fully formed rebel and you knew he | 0:14:49 | 0:14:55 | |
was going to go places because of his prestigious talent. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
You just didn't know how high that elevator was going to go because of | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
his personality. You could see that it would be a limiting factor. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
He lived off everybody and he could smile doing it. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
He'd order a meal in a restaurant long before he'd tell you, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
"I've no money, will you pay for that?" | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
He had no place to stay, he had no car, he had no money for petrol, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
he had no money for food. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
How could you make a living unless you're supported by family and friends? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
The family wasn't in a position to support him. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
So he was dependent on the goodwill of others. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
We'd go maybe out and have a few beers and he'd get up the next morning | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
and you'd see him walking around with a pair of trousers that you knew were yours. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
You need to get your jacket. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
-Jacket's down in the truck. -'Tommy loved a drink.' | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
He'd get himself into trouble now and again, but that was Tommy. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
People wanted to be part of Tommy's world. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
You'd be out in a bar somewhere and a girl would be drunk and say, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
"Tommy, you're so handsome," and he'd say, "There's no way I'm handsome. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
"I might be cute, but I'm certainly not handsome." | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
There was something that Tommy had | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
which enabled him to, on the one hand, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
be blindingly quick, but he also had, on the other hand, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
another God-given gift, for which, if there was a gold medal for shagging, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
he'd have won it time and time again. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
As well as the driving, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
on a Sunday morning you had to do the partying on a Saturday night. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Girls and parties, that was all part of the rollercoaster. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
He spent more time with girls - when other men were sitting at home studying | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
every corner and ever gear change that they had done on their day's practice, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
Tommy was out that night to see, could he get a girl? Maybe two. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:52 | |
You didn't get stability with Tommy Byrne, you got chaos, confusion. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:59 | |
Fun, the best fun you could imagine, but chaos. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
I acted a little bit different than the other guys getting in the car. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
I would just get excited, like I was high or something. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
I'd just go... | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
And people just talk, "What the heck is he doing? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
"He's like all over the place." | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
I could jump in the car last minute and still win the race. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
Some people were frightened of him, of what he could do. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
It was the way he walked through the paddock, it was the way... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
He had a very quick step and everything about him was bang, bang, bang. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
The persona he projected to the outside world was of | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
"I'm the best. I'm the bollocks." | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
That obviously rubbed some people up the wrong way, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
but that was just his persona, that was how he was. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
He absolutely believed that he was the best driver in the world. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
-ARCHIVE: -Ralph Firman's eagle-eyed talent-spotting produced Brazilian Ayrton da Silva. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
Now the motor-racing world is tipping him as a future world champion. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
With the case of Ayrton and Tommy, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
they couldn't have been from more different backgrounds. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
One was a millionaire's son, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
with all the social graces that come from a privileged background, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
very at ease in that world. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
Whereas, Tommy came over from Ireland with nothing. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
So, '81, I was Senna's mechanic in the Formula Ford, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
working at Van Diemen still. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
And then I go home and I was living with Tommy. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
So they both had very, very good seasons. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
But Senna always had his eye on him. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
I'm not going to say he was afraid of Tommy, | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
he was afraid that he wasn't going to do as well as Tommy had done the | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
year before. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
In 1981, he had these two junior categories. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
The entry level, which is Ford 1600, which was what Senna was doing. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
And he was blitzing the opposition there. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
Also operating from the Van Diemen factory, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
Tommy was doing the same in the next category up, which was Ford 2000. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
He won the two major championships. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
There's a British Championship | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
and there's a European Championship and he blitzed them both. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Ayrton would come along and do the exact same thing one year later. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
It's unusual that you get two talents of that calibre come along | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
at the same time. They don't normally come along like that. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
And that was a problem for both of them. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Senna's nickname was Fast Man because Ralph would talk about, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
"There's a fast guy coming from Brazil." | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
That's what pissed me off, because they should have been talking about me, I was a fast man, too. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
You know? | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
I don't think I got the same respect that the guys with the money got, | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
because, you know, people can smell when you're broke. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
They just know it, you know, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
they just smell it and they know and they just want to fuck with you and | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
treat you a little bit different. But nobody messes with people with money. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
You're coming over, you're paying, you better do it like you asked. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
How much money do you need to find every year? | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Well, in '81, I would say around £20,000, £30,000, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
which is always very difficult to get, even with good results. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
Wins and records, it's very difficult to get sponsorship. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
It caused particular resentment from Ayrton Senna, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
who was bringing significant backing to Van Diemen, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
that Tommy was just hopping from one free drive to the next, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
just sort of skipping up the ladder, seemingly for free. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
Senna didn't like the way I conducted myself. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Cos we were driving for the same team. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
He was doing everything right. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
I was cocky, he was arrogant. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
That was his personality. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
He must have had long weeks. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
At least I was out having fun during my week waiting to race. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
We didn't hit each other, until... | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
The festival, when I drove his car. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
After that, that's when it went wrong. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
We move to Brands Hatch for the most important Formula Ford event anywhere in the world. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
The Marlboro Formula Ford Festival and Formula Ford World Cup. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
Before the festival, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
Senna announced he was retiring from motor racing and he was going to go | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
back home to Brazil. That was it. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
He said he was disenchanted with a sport that required drivers to pay | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
and I'm sure Tommy getting his drives for free initiated that niggle in him. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
Ralph at Van Diemen was left in a bit of a spot. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
He needed, for the good of the company, to win that festival. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
So he called Tommy up and said, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
"Can you come and win the festival for me?" | 0:21:48 | 0:21:49 | |
And Tommy being Tommy, "Yeah, 'course I can." | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
And did, in Ayrton's own car. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
I won 100 bottles of champagne and I got 50 of them from Ralph after | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
arguing with him, I tried to tell him I needed 100 because I won them. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
He says, "It's my car." I says, "It's my win." | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
So we ended up with 50 each, and I did exactly what I wanted to do. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
I wanted to spray the shit everywhere and just waste it, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
and that's we did. And drank as much as we needed to get drunk. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
That created an opportunity for Tommy to progress to Formula 3, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
that he probably wouldn't have got otherwise. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
An opportunity that Senna was originally going to have. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
So Ayrton had inadvertently created an opportunity for Tommy that actually | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
hurt Ayrton because it spoiled his plans for doing F3 the following season. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
After the festival, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
I was still living up in Norfolk at the time and Senna's car was sitting | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
there from the year before, after he left it there. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
And my car would get punctured every now and then. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
So instead of fixing the puncture, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
I'd just take my wheel off my car and swap it with Senna's car that | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
was sitting there. I guess he came back in 1982. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
He wasn't supposed to come back, he was supposed to retire. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
But he came back and he just burst in there and started screaming at me | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
for stealing his wheels. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
"You fucking Irish thief," and screaming and shouting and I'm screaming and | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
shouting back to him. We didn't come to blows because somebody came and | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
stopped it, but he was very, very angry. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
If Senna didn't go home, my career would have been done. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Two championships, I probably wouldn't have got Formula 3. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
I just got lucky, I guess. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
Oh, shit, look there. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
That's my old car. Holy smoke. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:29 | |
Hey, guys, what's up? | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
-Hey, Tom, how's it going, buddy? -Hiya. -Good. -Nice to meet you. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
-How long have you had that? -I think we've had it four years now. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
You got my name on it. Look at that. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
I think I had the nicest seat. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
It's... Yeah, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
I'm probably a couple of pounds heavier than you were back in the day. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
Back in the day, I was like Mick Jagger, I was tiny. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
INDISTINCT SHOUTS | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
Formula 3 would be the last step, at the time, before Formula 1. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
It was where the F1 team owners and team sponsors were all looking for the next talent. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
My thought in 1982 was, because I was struggling for money, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
"I need to just blitz these guys. I need to beat them so bad that | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
"it's not just good enough winning the race, I need to win by a mile, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
"so it'll be easy to get the money to get into Formula 1." | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
Winning just wasn't good enough. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
I had to show them how great I was. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Tommy Byrne knows this race is his now. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
Tommy Byrne wins the... | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
So that's what he did, he dominated the early races. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
This man heading for a 33-point lead in the championship. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
Tommy stepped up with Murray Taylor, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:47 | |
who was running a Formula 3 team at the time, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
and this was a category in which the budgets were much higher. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
For someone in Tommy's circumstances, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
the prize money for winning each race would fund the following race. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
So he absolutely had to win those early races. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
Literally, the prize money was keeping the team's head above the water. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
That's an unusually intense degree of pressure. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
The fact that Tommy kept winning and leading the championship really gave | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Murray Taylor no option but to keep supporting him, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
finding the money from somewhere to get the car back to the race track | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
for the next weekend. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
Everybody was running round looking for money, but we never got any money. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Yeah, a couple of grand here and there. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
But Murray got some money from Shell and then he got some from General Electric. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
Murray, so many different times, says, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
"Tommy, we can't move, we can't go on from here, we need to get money." | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
Now, when I was going round Dundalk, getting £200 off somebody | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
and £300 off somebody for Tommy to go racing, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
those figures were going from a few hundred quid to the level, eventually, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
where he was being asked for 100,000, 200,000. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
Then reality started to kick in. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
Unlike other drivers, his friends put together the pennies, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
not the pounds, to facilitate his onward step. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
And as that entourage grew, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
some of it attracted probably unsavoury elements. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
Businessmen, people from all sorts of hazy backgrounds were intoxicated | 0:26:27 | 0:26:33 | |
by the world that Tommy was in. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
They latched onto Tommy and Tommy enjoyed their company. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
The racing world can get a bit sniffy about that sort of thing as well. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
He was hustling, he was doing it in the car on his talent, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
and out of the car he was just taking... | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
help from wherever he could find it. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
He was attracted to London and, I suppose, the nightlife, parties. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
It's very easy to get sucked into that direction and still believe | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
that you're doing the right thing for your career in racing, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
because why should they be connected? | 0:27:05 | 0:27:06 | |
But they are. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
He was out partying with the people who were helping him pay for some of his expenses. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
So he felt he didn't have a choice but to play with these people as they were playing. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
They were enabling the drugs and the alcohol, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
and he knew it wasn't helping, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
but it was the only thing he could do to get to the next race, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
pay the rent, buy his next cup of coffee, perhaps. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
He was winning well in the first part of the '82 season and then it | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
all started going wrong when the team took on a paying driver to help pay the bills | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
and they'd given Tommy's old car to the paid driver. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
Murray gave me a different car. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:56 | |
I never even came close to winning a race after that. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Six races in a row, I just was nowhere. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
So, of course, their answer to the whole thing was, "Tommy's lost it." | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
And they'd just think, "Oh, Tommy, yeah, he must have had a beer last night, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
"mustn't be feeling too good today." Nothing like the way it was. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
I was still leading the Championship, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
but why should Murray Taylor even continue to run me even more if I'm | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
not going to win the Championship? | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Cos the only thing he's getting out of it is winning the Championship. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
He had to win the Championship to be able to continue and show that he's a great team. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
So it went on and on and then it came to a head. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
I said, "Listen, I'm leaving unless I get a different car." | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
And I quit the team with nothing to fall back on. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
And Murray did call me back and, eventually, I got a new chassis. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
I fought back. Some drivers are fucked, they can't fight back, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
because they actually start believing what these guys are telling them. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
You start thinking, "Well, maybe they're right." | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
That was never a problem for me. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
They must have hated me. But I went to Brands Hatch and absolutely back to normal again. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:03 | |
Pole position and just took off and nobody even came close to me. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
Tommy Byrne leading into Paddock for the first time. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
I think Brundle was in second place. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
All the heavy hitters, the Formula 1 guys were there, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
so this was the one - every Formula 3 driver wants to win the British Grand Prix. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
And I didn't just win the race, I won it by a lot. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
I needed that win, I needed it to happen at that time, which it did. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:26 | |
It was one of my best performances ever, I would say. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
By winning that race, and to win it that well, by over 20 seconds, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
created a lot of interest in Formula 1. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
That's not quite as... That was fun. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
That was a laugh. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
There was one team in particular that took an interest, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
and that was Theodore. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
They wanted me to drive in Formula 1. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
For the last six races of the year. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
There are usually ten to 12 teams on the grid in the world. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
If you get an opportunity to show your talent, you take it. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Just over four years since coming over from Ireland with nothing, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
and now in a Grand Prix. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:13 | |
Which is an amazing feat. That's how far he had come, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
and that was all down to Tommy and his talent, nothing else. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
That he could do that without any funding, virtually, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
except the pocket money from fans and friends, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
that could tell you everything you needed to know about Tommy's talent. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
I was excited. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
Very excited. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
But it all went to shit fairly quick. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
The car was a piece of shit. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
I wasn't the only driver that said that. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
The other two drivers before me couldn't qualify. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
Nobody qualified the car. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:56 | |
I qualified it, I think twice out of five times. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
I tried to qualify for Dijon, did not, Hockenheim, did not, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
just a couple of tenths off, Monza, same thing. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
When I qualified for a race in Austria I was the last person to get | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
in the car because I was starting last. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
I really wasn't impressed at starting last. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
I know I should have said I've been looking forward to this for so long. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
I was kind of looking forward to it, but maybe somewhere up the grid, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
in a better car. So... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
I just wasn't | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
as excited as some people might have been. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
It was nothing fun. I didn't like the whole situation. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Nobody spoke to me in Formula 1. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
Niki Lauda said hello and Nelson Piquet said hi, that was it. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
Keke Rosberg used to come up and hit me on the head every now and again | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
cos I got in his way or something, just a complete dick. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
For three years I won everything, everything, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
and I had everybody behind me to help me win. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
Now I get in a Formula 1 car and I am last. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
Not only am I last, when I speak to the duty manager he tells me if | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
Keke Rosberg was in my car he would be first. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
Any suggestion I give the team, they didn't listen to me at all. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
For the first time, my ability was being questioned by these guys. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
I was 14th-quickest on the Friday practice. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
I thought I might have heard something pop I at the end. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
I wasn't too sure but I did mention to one of the guys, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
"Could you just check on something?" | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Then I did qualifying and I qualified last. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
The Theodore guys, their answer was, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
they brought Jackie Stewart up and sent him over to me to tell me how | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
to drive round the track. Instead of listening to what I said early on that I | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
think I might have heard something pop or something, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
obviously something happened. I was pissed. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
Can you imagine somebody coming up to Senna and telling him how to drive, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
how to take a line round the track? | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
But I was as nice as could be. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
I did go back to Jo Ramirez and said, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:54 | |
"Don't you ever, ever fucking send somebody over to me and tell me how to drive again." | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
What happened to Tommy in his younger years informed him to behave | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
in a certain way. When he ran in Formula Ford 2000, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
he had a bad car and he had to | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
really work with the team and he had to put it to the team, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
I'm not driving for you, are you changing the car? | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
And they changed the car and he became British champion and European champion. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
He then went into Formula 3 and a similar situation happened. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
The car was not performing well. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
And he put it to them, it's not me, it's the car, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
you've got to change the car. But what he didn't realise is you can't use those same techniques, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:39 | |
you cannot bludgeon an F1 team into submitting your way. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
Tommy clearly didn't see that. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:43 | |
The team manager, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
he pissed me off so bad. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
First off, actually I did talk to somebody about getting him bumped off | 0:33:49 | 0:33:55 | |
early on after the first couple of races. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
Maybe I wasn't serious about it but I actually did talk to one of my | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
friends in London who kind of, possibly, could have done something. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
It was just driving home one day, having a couple of beers, going, "I wish the fucking guy was gone. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
That is how I was thinking at the time. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
So at the end of the year in Vegas I had a few drinks after the race and | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
I was fucking pissed and him, he was still yapping on, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
about, you know, just always, he was just this... | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
It was just a bad time for me. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
So I told him to go stick it up his ass and threw a chair at him and | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
stormed out of there, and that was it. So I was done. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
I was probably done anyway. But I didn't get fired. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
I just left. I did have a three-year contract. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
I'd rather not be doing Formula 1 than doing it like that. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
Especially if you haven't got a car that moves forward. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
Basically, you're just hanging on to see how many cars drop out. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
I knew I had something. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
I knew I had a talent | 0:34:51 | 0:34:52 | |
and I could have taken that talent to another team. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
He came back from Las Vegas, from the Grand Prix there, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
to try to win his Formula 3 Championship, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
and the prize for winning that Championship was a Formula 1 test with McLaren. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:11 | |
He felt that it could be the | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
make-or-break opportunity of getting into Formula 1 in a top team. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
-MURRAY WALKER: -That's how close it is. First, second, and third. One, two, three. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
Mansilla, Scott... | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Into and out of the chicane together. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
I had to finish in front of Quique Mansilla | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
to win the Championship. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:31 | |
Dave's car, every time I got alongside him, he just run into me and put me on the grass. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
He did that sometimes three times per lap. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
In different areas. Nobody did anything about it. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
..Probably to get out of the car and walk away... | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
The number-one guy was not even getting away so I still knew there was a | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
chance, I just had to get by him and I still could win the race. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Scott has got the inside line, banging wheels, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
and Tommy Byrne is he's waving him aside. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
"Move over," he's saying, "let me through." "Not likely," says Dave Scott, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
"I'm second and I'm staying there." | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
And, ooh, Dave Scott locked up his rear wheel. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
Where is Tommy Byrne? I thought that would happen. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
He's gone through. This is it. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
This is the last lap. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
These are the two championship leaders, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
Quique Mansilla leads the race and the Championship. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
Now Byrne goes through... Magnificent! | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
Within half a lap after I passed the other guy, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
I was two seconds a lap quicker on the last lap. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
They were holding me up that much. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
We won the Championship with a very small budget. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
It was huge deal. Big, big deal. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
Now I'm going to get to drive for McLaren. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
We've got VHSes. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
This one? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:53 | |
That was probably the most important day of my racing career. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
That's the day I tested the McLaren. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
It was a race-winning Formula 1 car. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
It would be like driving a Mercedes today for a young rookie. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
So it was huge. A big, big day. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
Right there I was shitting myself. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:15 | |
That particular time, right there, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
I definitely was getting worried about the whole thing. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
Could I do it? | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
It's expensive to run a Formula 1 car. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
It always has been, always will be, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
so when a team puts a car on track for the day they are serious about it. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
It's costing them a huge amount of money. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
They're risking their car with a young driver that he is not going to stick it in the wall. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
The spotlight's on you. There are no excuses. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
It is a fast, competitive, well proven car from a top team. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
You've got to show your mettle. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:43 | |
The car was just unbelievable. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
It was so easy to drive and just so fast. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
And I was only just getting started. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
The footage of that test shows a car being driven beautifully on the | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
limit using every inch of track. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
He's turning in sharply and aggressively but absolutely right on the edge of | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
the car's limits. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
That's what the stopwatch confirmed. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
Tommy's times were quicker than the drivers at the time, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
who were John Watson, a multiple Formula 1 winner, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
and three-times world champion Niki Lauda. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
It just doesn't get any better than that. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
What was impressive was he jumped into a car which he had never seen | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
before he did the test, did a phenomenal lap time. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
I did a time that would have put me on the front row of the British Grand Prix | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
and with my other car I was last. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
The fact I did a 110.1 three times in a row, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
which is pretty impossible to do, that is really consistent, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
certainly people would've been talking about it. Certainly. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
He did a 110.1. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:12 | |
I couldn't believe it. I was there. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
Now, his next job was not to post a better time, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
his next job was to make sure that everything around that 10.1 was amazing. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
But that wasn't Tommy. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
I wasn't there in the aftermath of when he got out of the cockpit and | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
who was listening to him, what he said to the team. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
I think a story went around that | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
he said if they can go faster than that they can take their cucumber sandwiches and | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
stick them up their arse or something, so that sounds about right. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
Tommy insists he never said it. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
Of course I didn't say any of that. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:44 | |
But at this stage the rumour mill was going. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
I only had to open my mouth and somebody would add what they wanted onto it. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
He did all he had to do from within the cockpit. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
That is all he was required to do. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
He passed with A-star. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
But it is the out of the car performance that sealed Tommy's fate. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:06 | |
The management of McLaren wiped their hands of him. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
His cocky nature did not quite sit well with a very English-minded | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
set-up of Ron Dennis and McLaren, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
which was ultra-corporate, ultra-professional. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
He was far too big a risk. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Autosport comes out Thursday morning and the Motoring News comes out | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
Wednesday night and I looked at it and it was like, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
basically a couple of words in one of the magazines | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
and the other one said "Byrne fast but too cocky." | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
I went, "Shit." For once I didn't say a word. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
That was a bit of a let-down. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:51 | |
I wasn't expecting it, actually. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
Ron Dennis' quotes played down the level of Tommy's performance and he | 0:40:56 | 0:41:02 | |
felt that just confirmed that he was never going to get an opportunity from Ron Dennis. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:07 | |
He felt he had blown his chances. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
When it didn't happen he threw himself to the wind. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
That was it. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
I tried hard for four or five years to get to Formula 1 and I did | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
but after that it was all over. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
Then obviously the drinking and drugs got a little bit more. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
I'm lucky to be alive, I guess. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
I was just going through life like there was no tomorrow. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
European racing is today or nothing. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
Americans seem to be, I hate to say this about Americans, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
but generally Americans are all about the second chance. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
So here I am in America in 1985, starting a whole new career | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
again at the bottom. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:54 | |
He's still got no money when he went to America. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
He is still scratching about, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
but he is a gun for hire, so he gets opportunities. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
He still thought he would probably end up making his millions in motor racing somehow. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:10 | |
This time I wasn't quite as serious, maybe a little bit more partying. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
Actually, I started to enjoy racing a little bit. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
The feeder series to IndyCar, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
Indy Lights, or ARS, as it was initially called, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
Tommy did very well and wasn't in the best cars, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
wasn't in the best teams. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
He takes pretty much any opportunity that anybody offers him and he | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
makes good use of them and he does well. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
In turn number 11, his final pass, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
this is the man who is going to win the race, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
Tommy Byrne charges the line and takes the chequered flag. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
It's going to be fun. I'm used to that. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
Tommy enjoyed the American adventure, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
the parties and the lifestyle. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
I won a bunch of races hung over in America. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
It was just a matter of, you know, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
having a bit of fun and winning some races at the same time. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
He just hung it out there. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
He wasn't afraid to tell you what he thought. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
Guess what? That is what I liked about Tommy from the very first day. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
I didn't get it. I thought it was a big mistake. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
I think he should have stayed in Europe. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
For me, there is no way you can come from there and go back to Formula 1. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:19 | |
If you are good enough, fast enough, and certainly Tommy was, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
a little window of opportunity will always open, it always does. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
By the time Ayrton Senna left Lotus, he actually put a word in to | 0:43:31 | 0:43:36 | |
the Lotus boss Peter Warr that he should look at Tommy, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
but Tommy's exploits in America didn't even register. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
Eddie Jordan kind of half convinced me there was | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
a chance of me still getting into a Formula 1 car. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
I think we talked to one team, Tyrrell, and I think they wanted a couple of million pounds, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
so, I mean, it just wasn't going to happen. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
I went over and back to Tommy a lot in America. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
He was enjoying himself. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:01 | |
He would talk about the dreams that he still would have and after Tommy didn't make | 0:44:01 | 0:44:07 | |
it in Formula 1 his dreams went into other things. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
Different things that he would say, "I am going to do in life." | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
This is my old house. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
Got married and I bought this '87. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
When I came back from racing, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
this was my haven. I loved it. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:30 | |
Well, this place hasn't changed much. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
15 years, huh? | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
Last time I was here. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
Spent a lot of good years here, ten good years, you know. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
Kind of sad. Sad and happy. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
Happy and sad. Look at that. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
Vroom, vroom, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:18 | |
Vroom! | 0:45:21 | 0:45:22 | |
'This is my home. It was just, it was perfect. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
'It presents what I always wanted in America.' | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
When I was doing really well, we had parties here, down here on the beach, | 0:45:34 | 0:45:39 | |
and this was the life. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
I just went racing and came back to this. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
Can't get much better than that, it was brilliant. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
In America, I only made half the effort. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
Half my effort was OK. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
You always think you're going to get 1 million, | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
there's still always a chance, you know. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
I was only one deal away from the big time. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
Are we ever going to see Tommy Byrne in an IndyCar in the near future? | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
I hope so. I'd like to get into a IndyCar and maybe do well, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
rather than just get into a car just to say, "Hi, I drive IndyCars." | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
I'd like to do well, it would be nice to get into a good IndyCar team. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
You think about any category of major motor sports in the world today, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
you have IndyCar, 24 seats, you have Formula 1, 22 seats right now. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:29 | |
Sports car racing, eight to ten seats. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
The total amount of that is less than 50 drives available globally at | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
any point in time, no matter what generation it is. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
That's not very many. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:42 | |
There's only a small number of teams in IndyCar that have the finance to | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
take on a driver, and Tommy would have come with a name. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
Other young kids in America that were coming through were dedicating | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
their life to it, but for Tommy, it was something he did at the weekend. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
Not from Monday morning at eight o'clock when you got up, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
"How do I be a better racing driver?" | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
That was a question he probably didn't ask himself, ever. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
Tommy was always running at the front, he'd always win two, three, four races a year. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
Tommy was always a factor every weekend, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
but winning the Championship would have been the leap that he needed to | 0:47:23 | 0:47:28 | |
get into IndyCar. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:29 | |
..Within an hour | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
we'll know who the new ARS champion is. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
In the three years I did full-time ARS was '87, '88 and '89, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
and I was going into the last race every time with a chance of | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
winning the Championship. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
Tommy Byrne is really Mr ARS. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:44 | |
He's run every year of ARS | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
and he has done just about everything that you | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
can do. He knows he has a chance to really go and win the Championship, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
he's been trying for it for four years. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
I was leading the race, the last race of the year in California, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
I was driving the shit out of it. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
This is the battle that's been joined since the drop of the green flag. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
Barry, something has happened directly behind you. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
It looks as if one car has gone off the course out of turn number 11. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
Now, does it involve Byrne, maybe? | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
I think something's wrong with Byrne. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
I don't know how the car got over on that part of the... | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
Oh, Tommy Byrne has nowhere to go. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
Your thoughts at that point when you realised you were about to lose the Championship? | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
I don't think I can say it on TV. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
Oh, bleep! | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
'So that day I lost the Championship and 80,000' | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
and the Triple Crown. I lost a lot, and the chance to get into IndyCar. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
So I lost it all in one day. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
It just wasn't to be. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:42 | |
I should have stopped in '89 and got a job. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
It just wasn't to be. And at that stage now, '90, '91, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
I do a couple of half-assed races | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
and when I was lapped by my team-mate, | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
Vince Neil from Motley Crue, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
I knew it was kind of all over at that point. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
And then that was it. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:07 | |
Probably started drinking a little bit too much at that stage. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
Smoking the pot. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
I would say at the end, I was just worn down at that stage. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
Things weren't going too good at home, you know, with my wife. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
There was some issues. I was coming to the end. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
It was just... That was always hanging over your head, you know. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
And no money whatsoever. Hadn't got a pot to piss in. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
So I had to do something. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:41 | |
Different categories across the globe, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
you would have Formula 1 at the epicentre of world motorsport. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
You'd have IndyCar in America and then as you come down the ladder to | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
the different categories that you would parachute out to and you, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:58 | |
then drop down to another level and then another level | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
and then somewhere below all those levels was racing in Mexico. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
I got a phone call from Alberto Lozano, my team owner. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
He kind of invited me down and ended up giving me 2,000 a race and the | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
full mini bar and all expenses. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
So, I mean, I was making decent money. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
Took a very dark turn in Mexico | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
because the sort of characters that | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
were able to fund Tommy's racing were...unusual. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
I was in New Mexico. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
The first visit, I met this guy, Orchio. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
But I would just mention to him, "If we had an Italian engine, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
"I think we'd go win that next race." | 0:50:43 | 0:50:44 | |
So then he would go to my team owner and buy the 30,000 engine. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:49 | |
So he put a lot of money into the team that way. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
Don't ask where the money came from and don't ask about the lifestyle | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
round it, but Tommy had to fit in | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
with that in order to continue getting drives, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
which he happily did until it got too crazy even for Tommy. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
GUN COCKS | 0:51:07 | 0:51:08 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
Pretty good. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:14 | |
Mexico, it was just a total mess. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
It was just partying and whores. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
That's all Mexico was. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
He wasn't paying for whores, I can assure you. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
Somebody else was. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
It was very, very crazy. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
It was a lot of drinking down there, a lot of partying down there. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
Just lots of it. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
And they're very wealthy. I just went along with what I was supposed to do. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
There was a room that you nearly could not get into | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
because of boxes of beer in the house, all got to do with his sponsorship. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:52 | |
The guy was living an oblivious life at that point. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:58 | |
Where he thought he should be was world champion, and here he was, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
he was stuck in a rut with a drug baron in Mexico, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:06 | |
not really a nice place to be. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:07 | |
His contemporaries, who he'd completely blown away, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
were now F1 drivers, earning vast fortunes. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
So that would have hurt and that kept the wounds alive. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
I can't think of a driver that was at Tommy's level that's ever ended | 0:52:18 | 0:52:23 | |
up on the margins of racing like that. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
He fell probably further than anybody's fallen. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
Probably could have stayed in Mexico longer, except Orchio had... | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
We had a bunch of girls in the house and next thing is we hear gunshots | 0:52:37 | 0:52:42 | |
upstairs. And then Orchio comes to the top of the stairway, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:47 | |
fucking completely naked, and he's got a gun in his hand. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
I'm going, "Jesus, Orchio, que pasa? You crazy..." | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
He goes... And he shoots at me and missed. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
And the girls are running down the stairway, naked, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
tits are flying everywhere. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:02 | |
And they're running past me, "Tommy, help me, help me! | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
"He's loco!" | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
I said, "To hell with this." | 0:53:07 | 0:53:08 | |
I turned round back in the room and locked the door. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
That's when I left and I didn't go back. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
And Alberto called me two weeks later and he said Orchio was dead. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:19 | |
He drowned in a swimming pool. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
When I came back from Mexico, it was over, I didn't race again. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
Most of your life's behind you and it didn't work out | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
the way it should have. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:41 | |
There's no more racing, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:44 | |
there's no more winning and our relationship was gone to shit. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
We were done. And it all fell apart here. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
People get fed up, you're complaining, you're calling people, boo-hoo. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
Lost my wife, she left me. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
And I didn't have the kids for a while because they were with their mum, and it was hard. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
Just lying there on the couch with my beer and you'd look | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
over and they weren't there any more. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
That was probably the worst part for me. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
I went out to visit him and he was living in a caravan beside a lake, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
and he didn't want me to come with him cos he didn't want me to see | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
what he was doing and he was gathering ferns, he was working as a labourer. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
I just couldn't get going. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
I just couldn't get going. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:30 | |
It was easier to drink and smoke pot and do my | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
work out in the woods than it was to, you know, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
to go back looking for racing jobs, go back on the road. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
He says to me, "You probably think I'm a failure. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
"You probably think I'm a terrible failure." | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
And I said, "Tommy, we've all got things that haven't worked out for us in | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
"our lives, the dice might not have rolled well. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
"But everybody respects the talent you have, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
"everybody respects what you've done, and more than that, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
"it's you that you like, not the fact that you drove a bloody Formula 1 car." | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
He was very low. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:06 | |
I don't know how he really got himself back together. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
I just really don't know. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
I was losing my kids, you know. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
Even though I ended up, in the end, getting custody of the kids, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
but it was rough. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
It was nothing... That's when I needed some stability, job-wise. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:31 | |
'94, when I started working with Ohio, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
sometimes I would do... I think | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
I did 120 days one year and then I was starting to do a little | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
bit of coaching on the side. '94, '95, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
things were getting better and the house was gone, renting and stuff, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
so things were, for sure, picking up. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
And then, of course, I met Michelle. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
And that was my old girlfriend of mine from '84. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
I met her again and then things obviously got a lot better. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
The boys were there, growing up, it was kind of cool. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
In 1998, we met again and he was more serious, Tommy, still joked around. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:14 | |
But there was an underlying seriousness, maybe a sadness. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:22 | |
But I don't think that that sadness is following him around now. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
I'll wear it tonight. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
'As time went on, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
'I think he started realising' | 0:56:31 | 0:56:32 | |
maybe how he should have handled his career, | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
what he should have done. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:36 | |
But I think he's able to let that go. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
But you know what? I personally don't think he's ever going to get away from it. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:43 | |
It will always be part of him. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
I don't think he can ever... | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
He cannot box it up and put it away like memorabilia. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
'It's part of him.' | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
A lot of people think I'm a millionaire. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
Aren't you a millionaire? | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
No. Not really. I'm just giving an example of what it's like sometimes | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
being sort of a superstar. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:01 | |
But I don't think I am alone. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
Yet. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
It's very easy to be critical of the things around Tommy that didn't | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
give Tommy what he needed, but certainly, in my experience, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
Tommy Byrne deprived himself of the opportunity to be a world champion. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:30 | |
Sometimes you just have to play the game. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
I often ask, "Did Tommy ever play the game well enough?" | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
I did chase. I just didn't chase their way. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
I had my way of doing it. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
Every day I thought about getting to the next level, every fucking day. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
I just did it a different way. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:07 | |
I do know one thing. Nobody gives a shit. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
I was pissed off too long. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
I'm worn out, it's time to move on, because I'm not pissed off any more. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
I met a lot of people on my way and I made a lot of friends. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
It hasn't been a terrible life. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:27 | |
I just lost out on about 100 million. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
That's all. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:31 |