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My old treasure chest.

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A couple of bits and pieces here.

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This is...

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This actually is, it hasn't been cleaned for a while

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because I really don't go in here that often

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but it's the Sports Star of the Year 1981, Ireland.

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Look at that.

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That's first place.

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That's disgusting. Naked.

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If you don't make it, nobody gives a shit.

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That's how I feel now.

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But 20 years ago, yes, I would have felt, you know,

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like, "Oh, shit, those guys screwed me over and they did this and they did that."

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This album here,

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I think my sister might have put this one together for me.

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When I was racing I didn't think I was the best driver in the world,

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I knew I was the best driver in the world.

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That's one of mine, I remember that suit, that's one of my first ones.

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I just got, I got beat, I got beat by the system.

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There are lots of hard luck stories in Formula 1.

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Tommy is the defining case study

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because there's never been anybody quite that good that's never made it.

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True talent really stands out,

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Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Fernando Alonso,

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Michael Schumacher, and Tommy had the talent of these guys, for sure.

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He just had that natural feel for a car.

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Tommy Byrne was wild.

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Some of the things that he did were so unorthodox that only Tommy Byrne

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ever could have done it

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or will have ever done it.

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The problem is, he may have gone just too far.

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What you saw was what you got with him.

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Some people might think it, Tommy would say it,

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and I think it hurt him at the top end where there's

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sponsors, where there's major manufacturers involved and they don't what

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people that are a little bit wild like that.

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GUNSHOT

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He got from nothing to Formula 1 in little more than four years.

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We may never see a similar story ever again.

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Hey, Sonny.

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We will get going. My name is Brian Till.

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I'll be your lead instructor for the day.

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That just means that I talk more than the other guys do,

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but you've got a great group of guys back there in the back.

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Tommy Byrne down at the end, very accomplished open wheel driver,

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-six, seven...

-Seven.

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..Formula car championships over in Europe before he came to the United States, a little time in Formula 1.

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Tommy's been here at the school I think since '93, '94, '95.

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'94, 21 years now. You've been here what, 22?

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-Yeah.

-Scary.

-Long time, long time.

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So, Tommy and I used to race together a little bit.

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I crashed Tommy in Detroit one year.

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-No, you ran into me.

-Did I?

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LAUGHTER

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Of course my car was broken.

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-Yeah.

-I had to walk back.

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-Through the streets of, the downtown streets of Detroit.

-Through the streets of Detroit, yeah.

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'Here's a guy who had come within fingertip reach of the pinnacle of

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'the sport and it slid down the other side of the mountain

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'when it just slipped from his grasp.

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'Some of us ended our careers on our own terms.

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'Tommy didn't.'

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But for the longest time, Tommy went to sleep, woke up,

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and thought, "This isn't fair.

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"I should have, I would have, I could have."

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Good job, P2.

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Mike and Carl, on deck.

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'To carry that with you when the door closes'

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and you're the only person in the room.

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How loud are those voices?

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Obviously, I wasn't the nicest guy in the world.

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There's just when you don't make it, people, you know,

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they try to say, well, you did this, you did that. But do you know what?

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I just couldn't have anybody telling me what to do.

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There are various theories on Tommy Byrne the racing driver.

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One is that he royally messed up a potentially great career.

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The other one is that he wasn't given a fair shot

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and I think Tommy's truth is always somewhere in that shade of grey

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between those two extreme viewpoints.

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At the start of the '80s, the two hotshots were Tommy Byrne and Ayrton Senna.

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Had it not been for Senna arriving at around the same time,

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Tommy's talent would have been enough to carry him through.

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It would have been irresistible.

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Obviously, when you're trying to go racing and you're completely broke

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all the time, and you're racing against people like Senna and the Brazilians

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with all the money and you haven't got a pot to piss in,

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it does make a difference.

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I mean, you don't get the same respect.

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I think anybody would have a chip on their shoulder if they were treated

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like shit after they win races, so many races.

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I'd win the exact same race that Senna won, I'd win it first,

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he'd win it the year after, and suddenly it's like, you know,

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"Who's Tommy Byrne?" And when Senna won it's like the second coming of Christ.

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And that's just the way life is, you know?

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People treat you different when you're broke and when you're rich.

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What could I change? Be born a millionaire with a silver fucking spoon up my ass.

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It's a little overgrown since the last time I was here, that's for sure.

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Yeah.

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Oh, man, look at this.

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So, I used to ride my motorcycle all the way through here at night when

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I'd come home at 15 years of age.

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Drive through there, drive all the way through here,

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drive up and drive in the door.

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'I just couldn't control myself with speed.

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'I had to be flat-out everywhere.

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'And I worked at the gas station across the road,

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'everybody was talking about the day they would go there and I wouldn't

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'be there any more because I'd be dead. Because everywhere they went I was flying.'

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Flying down the roads. Flat-out.

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Couldn't slow down.

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That's what happens when you're born in the back of the car on the way to the hospital.

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INDISTINCT SINGING AND CONVERSATION

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"Tommy Byrne away to a flying start."

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"Three firsts for Irish."

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"Sports star of the week."

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'Whatever chance they had of controlling me when I was

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'nine or ten or 11, they had no chance at all when I was 15,

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'16 years of age. I just didn't listen.'

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When he was a child,

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he was a nuisance to everybody around him.

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-How's it's going, Maurice?

-Oh, I'm humbled.

-How's it going?

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Yeah, very good.

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'Now I thought he was a little bastard at that stage.

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'He was just a little brat.

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'Tommy would have had a rough childhood brought on mainly by himself,'

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by his attitude and by the way he carried on and no law was written

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for Tommy Byrne.

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'He just had that cockiness in him that he would have to do it

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'his own way.'

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You see, that's really as little as I thought of you over the last number of years,

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Tommy. They're up there.

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Thanks, Maurice.

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Show me,

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-show me what you've got there.

-That would be quite an important one.

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Is that the British Grand Prix one?

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That's the British Grand Prix one.

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Look at that.

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Is this the Championship one, Maurice?

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You think it would be maybe a little bit looked after better than that.

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-Well, look at this.

-You didn't even know where to wear it to.

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No, I didn't, you're right.

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I think that's an old shell from World War II or something.

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But they've been lying up there for...

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It's the same in my own house back in Florida, the same thing.

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-You tell me.

-Trophies in boxes. Look at that.

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See if you can clean that one.

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We had the annual Tommy Byrne Dinner Dance to make me money and I think I

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earned £300,

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that was as much money that was collected for that one particular dance.

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Enough money to get me some clothes.

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We needed 300,000.

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Yes!

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When he came on the scene in Mondello, I was quite surprised.

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Here was this small guy, very cocky.

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No-one could quite understand him, he spoke so quickly,

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and he had a very pronounced Dundalk accent.

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I wouldn't say he was like a fish out of water but he came from a

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background that normally motor-racing people

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wouldn't be part of.

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So he was a big surprise to that element.

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Tommy's face, his personality,

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his background was always going to be a difficult fit.

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It's a very elitist sport, whereas Tommy was from a very,

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very poor working-class background

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and so the odds of him succeeding were very slim.

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I think '77 is when I talked my mum into getting a loan from

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the bank and I think we told the bank manager my sister was pregnant

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and we had to build an extension on the house, which was true,

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my sister was pregnant, but there was no extension going on the house.

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The extension was going into Formula Ford 1600 Crossle.

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It was £1,250 and then we went to Mondello for the first race, and just

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rednecks, out of sync with everything.

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There was this kid, looked like a 13-year-old that fell out of the back of a bus

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and he was just flinging the car around with complete abandon and I

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thought, "This kid is good, this kid is exceptional."

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But I figured I was passing cars so I must be doing something right.

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It turns out they were just scared because a crazy bastard's coming up

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behind them and he's either going to run into them or not so they would

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just let me by. But I learned my craft by crashing.

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I crashed all year in that car.

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The car was always coming home in more than one piece.

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It left in one piece and came home in two, three,

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sometimes 50 pieces, and my mum, she'd come out and take a look at it and she'd go,

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"When are you going to quit this nonsense and get a real job?"

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And then I'd just be completely depressed,

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go to bed, wake up next morning with a completely different attitude and start again.

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At that time Bernard Devaney, Derek Daly,

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David Kennedy and Eddie Jordan were all in England.

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So I read about those guys and I'd seen pictures of them, you know,

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so obviously I thought, "If they can do it then I can do it."

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So I left Ireland at the end of '78, and that was it.

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Never looked back.

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The kid that came over from Ireland to England in '78,

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was raw, ragamuffin, chancer.

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Full of hope, massive talent,

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total self-belief, but that was all he had.

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So, the way the junior categories work is that you have professional teams

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building the cars, creating the cars, fielding the cars.

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That all costs money.

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By and large, the teams don't go and get drivers.

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What happens is the drivers bring the money to the team to run them.

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Whether that's commercial sponsorship or family money or whatever,

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it's that that sustains the junior categories in motor racing.

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It's very, very rare that anyone gets a drive for free

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but Tommy managed to get a drive for free.

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-ARCHIVE:

-Ralph Firman started his own firm, Van Diemen, in the early '70s.

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Van Diemen has won every major Formula Ford championship in England

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since 1977, and for that you need drivers with talent and nerve.

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If we feel that we haven't got such a driver then we will sponsor one

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ourselves.

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Van Diemen have been very successful over the years because, A,

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Ralph picks winners and, B,

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he didn't want that winner in someone else's car,

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so he certainly recognised Tommy's talents early.

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He knew Tommy didn't have any money so you could hardly ask him for money.

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If you wanted him in the car he was going to have to give him the drive for free.

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-MURRAY WALKER:

-And there is the man to watch.

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It is 21-year-old Tommy Byrne from Dundalk in Ireland

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who has already won three Formula Ford races this year.

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When he came from Ireland,

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initially he was quick in the Formula Ford car,

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like lightning-quick.

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Tommy Byrne is in a class of his own in Formula Ford racing this year.

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A string of wins,

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he just has to get into the car and he seems to be on his own.

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That was quite impressive for a guy straight over from a regional

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championship to being at that level immediately.

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He was winning national Formula Ford races.

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I could learn tracks very fast.

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I was pretty good at reading how good the other guys were and how good I was.

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I just knew I had something different.

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He instinctively knew what to do.

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He would get the best out of the car no matter what it was doing.

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Tommy was the only person that I knew that was working on his own car.

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He had no other support.

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Everybody else was coming over, paying for a ride,

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expecting to get a full-time mechanic on the car.

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Tommy was his own mechanic and then getting in the car and racing.

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He did things with the car that you just...they weren't possible,

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you know, I know about racing cars,

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I watch racing cars and you watched this car going round the track with

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this bloke in it and he just, that shouldn't be possible.

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Byrne has won race after race this year.

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He has really stamped his mark on Formula Ford racing.

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It was quite clear he had speed and he didn't succumb to any pressure, that's for sure.

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So that confidence went into the car.

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It wasn't a fake, showy thing, he just had that self-belief.

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Jumped in the car, delivered and won the Championship.

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There, appropriately enough, is brilliant Tommy Byrne,

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the 1980 P&O Ferries and RAC Formula Ford Championships champion of 1980.

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Tommy arrived in the UK as a fully formed rebel and you knew he

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was going to go places because of his prestigious talent.

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You just didn't know how high that elevator was going to go because of

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his personality. You could see that it would be a limiting factor.

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He lived off everybody and he could smile doing it.

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He'd order a meal in a restaurant long before he'd tell you,

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"I've no money, will you pay for that?"

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He had no place to stay, he had no car, he had no money for petrol,

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he had no money for food.

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How could you make a living unless you're supported by family and friends?

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The family wasn't in a position to support him.

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So he was dependent on the goodwill of others.

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We'd go maybe out and have a few beers and he'd get up the next morning

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and you'd see him walking around with a pair of trousers that you knew were yours.

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You need to get your jacket.

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-Jacket's down in the truck.

-'Tommy loved a drink.'

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He'd get himself into trouble now and again, but that was Tommy.

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People wanted to be part of Tommy's world.

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You'd be out in a bar somewhere and a girl would be drunk and say,

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"Tommy, you're so handsome," and he'd say, "There's no way I'm handsome.

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"I might be cute, but I'm certainly not handsome."

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There was something that Tommy had

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which enabled him to, on the one hand,

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be blindingly quick, but he also had, on the other hand,

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another God-given gift, for which, if there was a gold medal for shagging,

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he'd have won it time and time again.

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As well as the driving,

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on a Sunday morning you had to do the partying on a Saturday night.

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Girls and parties, that was all part of the rollercoaster.

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He spent more time with girls - when other men were sitting at home studying

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every corner and ever gear change that they had done on their day's practice,

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Tommy was out that night to see, could he get a girl? Maybe two.

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You didn't get stability with Tommy Byrne, you got chaos, confusion.

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Fun, the best fun you could imagine, but chaos.

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I acted a little bit different than the other guys getting in the car.

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I would just get excited, like I was high or something.

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I'd just go...

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And people just talk, "What the heck is he doing?

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"He's like all over the place."

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I could jump in the car last minute and still win the race.

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Some people were frightened of him, of what he could do.

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It was the way he walked through the paddock, it was the way...

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He had a very quick step and everything about him was bang, bang, bang.

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The persona he projected to the outside world was of

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"I'm the best. I'm the bollocks."

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That obviously rubbed some people up the wrong way,

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but that was just his persona, that was how he was.

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He absolutely believed that he was the best driver in the world.

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-ARCHIVE:

-Ralph Firman's eagle-eyed talent-spotting produced Brazilian Ayrton da Silva.

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Now the motor-racing world is tipping him as a future world champion.

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With the case of Ayrton and Tommy,

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they couldn't have been from more different backgrounds.

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One was a millionaire's son,

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with all the social graces that come from a privileged background,

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very at ease in that world.

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Whereas, Tommy came over from Ireland with nothing.

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So, '81, I was Senna's mechanic in the Formula Ford,

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working at Van Diemen still.

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And then I go home and I was living with Tommy.

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So they both had very, very good seasons.

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But Senna always had his eye on him.

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I'm not going to say he was afraid of Tommy,

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he was afraid that he wasn't going to do as well as Tommy had done the

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year before.

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In 1981, he had these two junior categories.

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The entry level, which is Ford 1600, which was what Senna was doing.

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And he was blitzing the opposition there.

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Also operating from the Van Diemen factory,

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Tommy was doing the same in the next category up, which was Ford 2000.

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He won the two major championships.

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There's a British Championship

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and there's a European Championship and he blitzed them both.

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Ayrton would come along and do the exact same thing one year later.

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It's unusual that you get two talents of that calibre come along

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at the same time. They don't normally come along like that.

0:19:330:19:36

And that was a problem for both of them.

0:19:360:19:38

Senna's nickname was Fast Man because Ralph would talk about,

0:19:410:19:45

"There's a fast guy coming from Brazil."

0:19:450:19:47

That's what pissed me off, because they should have been talking about me, I was a fast man, too.

0:19:490:19:54

You know?

0:19:540:19:55

I don't think I got the same respect that the guys with the money got,

0:19:550:20:00

because, you know, people can smell when you're broke.

0:20:000:20:02

They just know it, you know,

0:20:040:20:06

they just smell it and they know and they just want to fuck with you and

0:20:060:20:09

treat you a little bit different. But nobody messes with people with money.

0:20:090:20:12

You're coming over, you're paying, you better do it like you asked.

0:20:120:20:16

How much money do you need to find every year?

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Well, in '81, I would say around £20,000, £30,000,

0:20:190:20:24

which is always very difficult to get, even with good results.

0:20:240:20:28

Wins and records, it's very difficult to get sponsorship.

0:20:280:20:32

It caused particular resentment from Ayrton Senna,

0:20:320:20:36

who was bringing significant backing to Van Diemen,

0:20:360:20:39

that Tommy was just hopping from one free drive to the next,

0:20:390:20:42

just sort of skipping up the ladder, seemingly for free.

0:20:420:20:46

Senna didn't like the way I conducted myself.

0:20:460:20:49

Cos we were driving for the same team.

0:20:500:20:53

He was doing everything right.

0:20:530:20:54

I was cocky, he was arrogant.

0:20:540:20:57

That was his personality.

0:20:570:20:58

He must have had long weeks.

0:20:580:21:00

At least I was out having fun during my week waiting to race.

0:21:000:21:02

We didn't hit each other, until...

0:21:040:21:06

The festival, when I drove his car.

0:21:080:21:10

After that, that's when it went wrong.

0:21:100:21:13

We move to Brands Hatch for the most important Formula Ford event anywhere in the world.

0:21:130:21:18

The Marlboro Formula Ford Festival and Formula Ford World Cup.

0:21:180:21:23

Before the festival,

0:21:230:21:24

Senna announced he was retiring from motor racing and he was going to go

0:21:240:21:27

back home to Brazil. That was it.

0:21:270:21:29

He said he was disenchanted with a sport that required drivers to pay

0:21:290:21:34

and I'm sure Tommy getting his drives for free initiated that niggle in him.

0:21:340:21:39

Ralph at Van Diemen was left in a bit of a spot.

0:21:390:21:42

He needed, for the good of the company, to win that festival.

0:21:420:21:45

So he called Tommy up and said,

0:21:450:21:48

"Can you come and win the festival for me?"

0:21:480:21:49

And Tommy being Tommy, "Yeah, 'course I can."

0:21:490:21:52

And did, in Ayrton's own car.

0:21:520:21:54

I won 100 bottles of champagne and I got 50 of them from Ralph after

0:21:550:22:00

arguing with him, I tried to tell him I needed 100 because I won them.

0:22:000:22:04

He says, "It's my car." I says, "It's my win."

0:22:040:22:06

So we ended up with 50 each, and I did exactly what I wanted to do.

0:22:060:22:10

I wanted to spray the shit everywhere and just waste it,

0:22:100:22:12

and that's we did. And drank as much as we needed to get drunk.

0:22:120:22:16

That created an opportunity for Tommy to progress to Formula 3,

0:22:160:22:20

that he probably wouldn't have got otherwise.

0:22:200:22:23

An opportunity that Senna was originally going to have.

0:22:230:22:26

So Ayrton had inadvertently created an opportunity for Tommy that actually

0:22:260:22:32

hurt Ayrton because it spoiled his plans for doing F3 the following season.

0:22:320:22:38

After the festival,

0:22:380:22:39

I was still living up in Norfolk at the time and Senna's car was sitting

0:22:390:22:43

there from the year before, after he left it there.

0:22:430:22:46

And my car would get punctured every now and then.

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So instead of fixing the puncture,

0:22:480:22:50

I'd just take my wheel off my car and swap it with Senna's car that

0:22:500:22:54

was sitting there. I guess he came back in 1982.

0:22:540:22:58

He wasn't supposed to come back, he was supposed to retire.

0:22:580:23:00

But he came back and he just burst in there and started screaming at me

0:23:000:23:04

for stealing his wheels.

0:23:040:23:06

"You fucking Irish thief," and screaming and shouting and I'm screaming and

0:23:060:23:10

shouting back to him. We didn't come to blows because somebody came and

0:23:100:23:13

stopped it, but he was very, very angry.

0:23:130:23:16

If Senna didn't go home, my career would have been done.

0:23:160:23:19

Two championships, I probably wouldn't have got Formula 3.

0:23:190:23:22

I just got lucky, I guess.

0:23:220:23:24

Oh, shit, look there.

0:23:260:23:28

That's my old car. Holy smoke.

0:23:280:23:29

Hey, guys, what's up?

0:23:290:23:31

-Hey, Tom, how's it going, buddy?

-Hiya.

-Good.

-Nice to meet you.

0:23:310:23:34

-How long have you had that?

-I think we've had it four years now.

0:23:340:23:37

You got my name on it. Look at that.

0:23:370:23:39

I think I had the nicest seat.

0:23:410:23:43

It's... Yeah,

0:23:430:23:45

I'm probably a couple of pounds heavier than you were back in the day.

0:23:450:23:48

Back in the day, I was like Mick Jagger, I was tiny.

0:23:480:23:51

INDISTINCT SHOUTS

0:23:510:23:53

Formula 3 would be the last step, at the time, before Formula 1.

0:23:570:24:02

It was where the F1 team owners and team sponsors were all looking for the next talent.

0:24:020:24:07

My thought in 1982 was, because I was struggling for money,

0:24:090:24:14

"I need to just blitz these guys. I need to beat them so bad that

0:24:140:24:20

"it's not just good enough winning the race, I need to win by a mile,

0:24:200:24:23

"so it'll be easy to get the money to get into Formula 1."

0:24:230:24:25

Winning just wasn't good enough.

0:24:250:24:27

I had to show them how great I was.

0:24:270:24:29

Tommy Byrne knows this race is his now.

0:24:320:24:33

Tommy Byrne wins the...

0:24:350:24:37

So that's what he did, he dominated the early races.

0:24:370:24:40

This man heading for a 33-point lead in the championship.

0:24:410:24:46

Tommy stepped up with Murray Taylor,

0:24:460:24:47

who was running a Formula 3 team at the time,

0:24:470:24:49

and this was a category in which the budgets were much higher.

0:24:490:24:53

For someone in Tommy's circumstances,

0:24:540:24:56

the prize money for winning each race would fund the following race.

0:24:560:24:59

So he absolutely had to win those early races.

0:24:590:25:02

Literally, the prize money was keeping the team's head above the water.

0:25:020:25:05

That's an unusually intense degree of pressure.

0:25:050:25:08

The fact that Tommy kept winning and leading the championship really gave

0:25:090:25:13

Murray Taylor no option but to keep supporting him,

0:25:130:25:17

finding the money from somewhere to get the car back to the race track

0:25:170:25:20

for the next weekend.

0:25:200:25:21

Everybody was running round looking for money, but we never got any money.

0:25:230:25:26

Yeah, a couple of grand here and there.

0:25:260:25:28

But Murray got some money from Shell and then he got some from General Electric.

0:25:280:25:32

Murray, so many different times, says,

0:25:320:25:34

"Tommy, we can't move, we can't go on from here, we need to get money."

0:25:340:25:38

Now, when I was going round Dundalk, getting £200 off somebody

0:25:380:25:43

and £300 off somebody for Tommy to go racing,

0:25:430:25:47

those figures were going from a few hundred quid to the level, eventually,

0:25:470:25:51

where he was being asked for 100,000, 200,000.

0:25:510:25:56

Then reality started to kick in.

0:25:570:26:00

Unlike other drivers, his friends put together the pennies,

0:26:110:26:15

not the pounds, to facilitate his onward step.

0:26:150:26:19

And as that entourage grew,

0:26:200:26:22

some of it attracted probably unsavoury elements.

0:26:220:26:25

Businessmen, people from all sorts of hazy backgrounds were intoxicated

0:26:270:26:33

by the world that Tommy was in.

0:26:330:26:35

They latched onto Tommy and Tommy enjoyed their company.

0:26:350:26:39

The racing world can get a bit sniffy about that sort of thing as well.

0:26:390:26:42

He was hustling, he was doing it in the car on his talent,

0:26:430:26:46

and out of the car he was just taking...

0:26:460:26:50

help from wherever he could find it.

0:26:500:26:52

He was attracted to London and, I suppose, the nightlife, parties.

0:26:530:26:58

It's very easy to get sucked into that direction and still believe

0:26:580:27:02

that you're doing the right thing for your career in racing,

0:27:020:27:05

because why should they be connected?

0:27:050:27:06

But they are.

0:27:060:27:08

He was out partying with the people who were helping him pay for some of his expenses.

0:27:080:27:14

So he felt he didn't have a choice but to play with these people as they were playing.

0:27:140:27:19

They were enabling the drugs and the alcohol,

0:27:200:27:25

and he knew it wasn't helping,

0:27:250:27:27

but it was the only thing he could do to get to the next race,

0:27:270:27:32

pay the rent, buy his next cup of coffee, perhaps.

0:27:320:27:35

He was winning well in the first part of the '82 season and then it

0:27:390:27:43

all started going wrong when the team took on a paying driver to help pay the bills

0:27:430:27:48

and they'd given Tommy's old car to the paid driver.

0:27:480:27:52

Murray gave me a different car.

0:27:550:27:56

I never even came close to winning a race after that.

0:27:560:27:59

Six races in a row, I just was nowhere.

0:27:590:28:02

So, of course, their answer to the whole thing was, "Tommy's lost it."

0:28:020:28:06

And they'd just think, "Oh, Tommy, yeah, he must have had a beer last night,

0:28:070:28:10

"mustn't be feeling too good today." Nothing like the way it was.

0:28:100:28:13

I was still leading the Championship,

0:28:130:28:15

but why should Murray Taylor even continue to run me even more if I'm

0:28:150:28:18

not going to win the Championship?

0:28:180:28:20

Cos the only thing he's getting out of it is winning the Championship.

0:28:200:28:22

He had to win the Championship to be able to continue and show that he's a great team.

0:28:220:28:27

So it went on and on and then it came to a head.

0:28:280:28:31

I said, "Listen, I'm leaving unless I get a different car."

0:28:310:28:35

And I quit the team with nothing to fall back on.

0:28:350:28:39

And Murray did call me back and, eventually, I got a new chassis.

0:28:390:28:44

I fought back. Some drivers are fucked, they can't fight back,

0:28:440:28:48

because they actually start believing what these guys are telling them.

0:28:480:28:52

You start thinking, "Well, maybe they're right."

0:28:520:28:54

That was never a problem for me.

0:28:540:28:56

They must have hated me. But I went to Brands Hatch and absolutely back to normal again.

0:28:570:29:03

Pole position and just took off and nobody even came close to me.

0:29:030:29:06

Tommy Byrne leading into Paddock for the first time.

0:29:060:29:09

I think Brundle was in second place.

0:29:090:29:11

All the heavy hitters, the Formula 1 guys were there,

0:29:110:29:13

so this was the one - every Formula 3 driver wants to win the British Grand Prix.

0:29:130:29:17

And I didn't just win the race, I won it by a lot.

0:29:170:29:21

I needed that win, I needed it to happen at that time, which it did.

0:29:210:29:26

It was one of my best performances ever, I would say.

0:29:260:29:28

By winning that race, and to win it that well, by over 20 seconds,

0:29:300:29:34

created a lot of interest in Formula 1.

0:29:340:29:37

That's not quite as... That was fun.

0:29:370:29:41

That was a laugh.

0:29:410:29:43

There was one team in particular that took an interest,

0:29:430:29:47

and that was Theodore.

0:29:470:29:48

They wanted me to drive in Formula 1.

0:29:520:29:54

For the last six races of the year.

0:29:540:29:57

There are usually ten to 12 teams on the grid in the world.

0:29:570:30:01

If you get an opportunity to show your talent, you take it.

0:30:010:30:04

Just over four years since coming over from Ireland with nothing,

0:30:070:30:12

and now in a Grand Prix.

0:30:120:30:13

Which is an amazing feat. That's how far he had come,

0:30:140:30:17

and that was all down to Tommy and his talent, nothing else.

0:30:170:30:21

That he could do that without any funding, virtually,

0:30:220:30:26

except the pocket money from fans and friends,

0:30:260:30:29

that could tell you everything you needed to know about Tommy's talent.

0:30:290:30:33

I was excited.

0:30:350:30:36

Very excited.

0:30:370:30:38

But it all went to shit fairly quick.

0:30:400:30:43

The car was a piece of shit.

0:30:470:30:50

I wasn't the only driver that said that.

0:30:500:30:52

The other two drivers before me couldn't qualify.

0:30:520:30:55

Nobody qualified the car.

0:30:550:30:56

I qualified it, I think twice out of five times.

0:30:560:30:59

I tried to qualify for Dijon, did not, Hockenheim, did not,

0:31:000:31:03

just a couple of tenths off, Monza, same thing.

0:31:030:31:07

When I qualified for a race in Austria I was the last person to get

0:31:090:31:13

in the car because I was starting last.

0:31:130:31:16

I really wasn't impressed at starting last.

0:31:160:31:19

I know I should have said I've been looking forward to this for so long.

0:31:200:31:24

I was kind of looking forward to it, but maybe somewhere up the grid,

0:31:240:31:27

in a better car. So...

0:31:270:31:29

I just wasn't

0:31:310:31:33

as excited as some people might have been.

0:31:330:31:36

It was nothing fun. I didn't like the whole situation.

0:31:360:31:39

Nobody spoke to me in Formula 1.

0:31:390:31:40

Niki Lauda said hello and Nelson Piquet said hi, that was it.

0:31:400:31:43

Keke Rosberg used to come up and hit me on the head every now and again

0:31:450:31:47

cos I got in his way or something, just a complete dick.

0:31:470:31:50

For three years I won everything, everything,

0:31:530:31:55

and I had everybody behind me to help me win.

0:31:550:31:59

Now I get in a Formula 1 car and I am last.

0:31:590:32:01

Not only am I last, when I speak to the duty manager he tells me if

0:32:010:32:05

Keke Rosberg was in my car he would be first.

0:32:050:32:07

Any suggestion I give the team, they didn't listen to me at all.

0:32:070:32:10

For the first time, my ability was being questioned by these guys.

0:32:120:32:16

I was 14th-quickest on the Friday practice.

0:32:180:32:20

I thought I might have heard something pop I at the end.

0:32:200:32:23

I wasn't too sure but I did mention to one of the guys,

0:32:230:32:25

"Could you just check on something?"

0:32:250:32:27

Then I did qualifying and I qualified last.

0:32:270:32:31

The Theodore guys, their answer was,

0:32:310:32:33

they brought Jackie Stewart up and sent him over to me to tell me how

0:32:330:32:36

to drive round the track. Instead of listening to what I said early on that I

0:32:360:32:39

think I might have heard something pop or something,

0:32:390:32:41

obviously something happened. I was pissed.

0:32:410:32:44

Can you imagine somebody coming up to Senna and telling him how to drive,

0:32:440:32:48

how to take a line round the track?

0:32:480:32:50

But I was as nice as could be.

0:32:510:32:53

I did go back to Jo Ramirez and said,

0:32:530:32:54

"Don't you ever, ever fucking send somebody over to me and tell me how to drive again."

0:32:540:32:58

What happened to Tommy in his younger years informed him to behave

0:33:060:33:11

in a certain way. When he ran in Formula Ford 2000,

0:33:110:33:15

he had a bad car and he had to

0:33:150:33:17

really work with the team and he had to put it to the team,

0:33:170:33:19

I'm not driving for you, are you changing the car?

0:33:190:33:22

And they changed the car and he became British champion and European champion.

0:33:220:33:25

He then went into Formula 3 and a similar situation happened.

0:33:250:33:28

The car was not performing well.

0:33:280:33:31

And he put it to them, it's not me, it's the car,

0:33:310:33:33

you've got to change the car. But what he didn't realise is you can't use those same techniques,

0:33:330:33:39

you cannot bludgeon an F1 team into submitting your way.

0:33:390:33:42

Tommy clearly didn't see that.

0:33:420:33:43

The team manager,

0:33:450:33:46

he pissed me off so bad.

0:33:460:33:48

First off, actually I did talk to somebody about getting him bumped off

0:33:490:33:55

early on after the first couple of races.

0:33:550:33:58

Maybe I wasn't serious about it but I actually did talk to one of my

0:34:000:34:02

friends in London who kind of, possibly, could have done something.

0:34:020:34:07

It was just driving home one day, having a couple of beers, going, "I wish the fucking guy was gone.

0:34:070:34:11

That is how I was thinking at the time.

0:34:110:34:13

So at the end of the year in Vegas I had a few drinks after the race and

0:34:150:34:20

I was fucking pissed and him, he was still yapping on,

0:34:200:34:22

about, you know, just always, he was just this...

0:34:220:34:25

It was just a bad time for me.

0:34:250:34:27

So I told him to go stick it up his ass and threw a chair at him and

0:34:270:34:30

stormed out of there, and that was it. So I was done.

0:34:300:34:33

I was probably done anyway. But I didn't get fired.

0:34:350:34:37

I just left. I did have a three-year contract.

0:34:370:34:39

I'd rather not be doing Formula 1 than doing it like that.

0:34:390:34:43

Especially if you haven't got a car that moves forward.

0:34:430:34:46

Basically, you're just hanging on to see how many cars drop out.

0:34:460:34:50

I knew I had something.

0:34:500:34:51

I knew I had a talent

0:34:510:34:52

and I could have taken that talent to another team.

0:34:520:34:55

He came back from Las Vegas, from the Grand Prix there,

0:34:580:35:02

to try to win his Formula 3 Championship,

0:35:020:35:05

and the prize for winning that Championship was a Formula 1 test with McLaren.

0:35:050:35:11

He felt that it could be the

0:35:110:35:13

make-or-break opportunity of getting into Formula 1 in a top team.

0:35:130:35:17

-MURRAY WALKER:

-That's how close it is. First, second, and third. One, two, three.

0:35:170:35:21

Mansilla, Scott...

0:35:210:35:23

Into and out of the chicane together.

0:35:230:35:26

I had to finish in front of Quique Mansilla

0:35:260:35:30

to win the Championship.

0:35:300:35:31

Dave's car, every time I got alongside him, he just run into me and put me on the grass.

0:35:310:35:35

He did that sometimes three times per lap.

0:35:350:35:38

In different areas. Nobody did anything about it.

0:35:380:35:41

..Probably to get out of the car and walk away...

0:35:410:35:44

The number-one guy was not even getting away so I still knew there was a

0:35:440:35:47

chance, I just had to get by him and I still could win the race.

0:35:470:35:50

Scott has got the inside line, banging wheels,

0:35:500:35:53

and Tommy Byrne is he's waving him aside.

0:35:530:35:55

"Move over," he's saying, "let me through." "Not likely," says Dave Scott,

0:35:550:35:59

"I'm second and I'm staying there."

0:35:590:36:01

And, ooh, Dave Scott locked up his rear wheel.

0:36:010:36:03

Where is Tommy Byrne? I thought that would happen.

0:36:030:36:05

He's gone through. This is it.

0:36:050:36:07

This is the last lap.

0:36:070:36:09

These are the two championship leaders,

0:36:090:36:11

Quique Mansilla leads the race and the Championship.

0:36:110:36:13

Now Byrne goes through... Magnificent!

0:36:130:36:16

Within half a lap after I passed the other guy,

0:36:160:36:18

I was two seconds a lap quicker on the last lap.

0:36:180:36:21

They were holding me up that much.

0:36:210:36:22

We won the Championship with a very small budget.

0:36:240:36:27

It was huge deal. Big, big deal.

0:36:270:36:30

Now I'm going to get to drive for McLaren.

0:36:310:36:34

HE SIGHS

0:36:440:36:46

We've got VHSes.

0:36:480:36:51

This one?

0:36:520:36:53

That was probably the most important day of my racing career.

0:36:580:37:01

That's the day I tested the McLaren.

0:37:020:37:04

It was a race-winning Formula 1 car.

0:37:040:37:06

It would be like driving a Mercedes today for a young rookie.

0:37:060:37:10

So it was huge. A big, big day.

0:37:100:37:14

Right there I was shitting myself.

0:37:140:37:15

That particular time, right there,

0:37:150:37:18

I definitely was getting worried about the whole thing.

0:37:180:37:20

Could I do it?

0:37:200:37:22

It's expensive to run a Formula 1 car.

0:37:220:37:24

It always has been, always will be,

0:37:240:37:26

so when a team puts a car on track for the day they are serious about it.

0:37:260:37:29

It's costing them a huge amount of money.

0:37:290:37:31

They're risking their car with a young driver that he is not going to stick it in the wall.

0:37:310:37:35

The spotlight's on you. There are no excuses.

0:37:350:37:37

It is a fast, competitive, well proven car from a top team.

0:37:370:37:42

You've got to show your mettle.

0:37:420:37:43

The car was just unbelievable.

0:37:540:37:57

It was so easy to drive and just so fast.

0:37:580:38:01

And I was only just getting started.

0:38:010:38:03

The footage of that test shows a car being driven beautifully on the

0:38:060:38:11

limit using every inch of track.

0:38:110:38:13

He's turning in sharply and aggressively but absolutely right on the edge of

0:38:160:38:21

the car's limits.

0:38:210:38:23

That's what the stopwatch confirmed.

0:38:230:38:25

Tommy's times were quicker than the drivers at the time,

0:38:270:38:31

who were John Watson, a multiple Formula 1 winner,

0:38:310:38:33

and three-times world champion Niki Lauda.

0:38:330:38:36

It just doesn't get any better than that.

0:38:360:38:39

What was impressive was he jumped into a car which he had never seen

0:38:390:38:43

before he did the test, did a phenomenal lap time.

0:38:430:38:48

I did a time that would have put me on the front row of the British Grand Prix

0:38:480:38:52

and with my other car I was last.

0:38:520:38:55

The fact I did a 110.1 three times in a row,

0:38:570:39:02

which is pretty impossible to do, that is really consistent,

0:39:020:39:06

certainly people would've been talking about it. Certainly.

0:39:060:39:09

He did a 110.1.

0:39:110:39:12

I couldn't believe it. I was there.

0:39:120:39:14

Now, his next job was not to post a better time,

0:39:140:39:17

his next job was to make sure that everything around that 10.1 was amazing.

0:39:170:39:22

But that wasn't Tommy.

0:39:220:39:24

I wasn't there in the aftermath of when he got out of the cockpit and

0:39:240:39:28

who was listening to him, what he said to the team.

0:39:280:39:31

I think a story went around that

0:39:310:39:33

he said if they can go faster than that they can take their cucumber sandwiches and

0:39:330:39:37

stick them up their arse or something, so that sounds about right.

0:39:370:39:40

Tommy insists he never said it.

0:39:400:39:43

Of course I didn't say any of that.

0:39:430:39:44

But at this stage the rumour mill was going.

0:39:440:39:47

I only had to open my mouth and somebody would add what they wanted onto it.

0:39:470:39:51

He did all he had to do from within the cockpit.

0:39:510:39:56

That is all he was required to do.

0:39:560:39:58

He passed with A-star.

0:39:580:40:00

But it is the out of the car performance that sealed Tommy's fate.

0:40:000:40:06

The management of McLaren wiped their hands of him.

0:40:070:40:12

His cocky nature did not quite sit well with a very English-minded

0:40:120:40:17

set-up of Ron Dennis and McLaren,

0:40:170:40:19

which was ultra-corporate, ultra-professional.

0:40:190:40:23

He was far too big a risk.

0:40:240:40:27

Autosport comes out Thursday morning and the Motoring News comes out

0:40:340:40:37

Wednesday night and I looked at it and it was like,

0:40:370:40:39

basically a couple of words in one of the magazines

0:40:390:40:42

and the other one said "Byrne fast but too cocky."

0:40:420:40:44

I went, "Shit." For once I didn't say a word.

0:40:460:40:49

That was a bit of a let-down.

0:40:500:40:51

I wasn't expecting it, actually.

0:40:510:40:54

Ron Dennis' quotes played down the level of Tommy's performance and he

0:40:560:41:02

felt that just confirmed that he was never going to get an opportunity from Ron Dennis.

0:41:020:41:07

He felt he had blown his chances.

0:41:070:41:09

When it didn't happen he threw himself to the wind.

0:41:090:41:12

That was it.

0:41:120:41:13

I tried hard for four or five years to get to Formula 1 and I did

0:41:130:41:17

but after that it was all over.

0:41:170:41:19

Then obviously the drinking and drugs got a little bit more.

0:41:190:41:23

I'm lucky to be alive, I guess.

0:41:230:41:25

I was just going through life like there was no tomorrow.

0:41:250:41:28

European racing is today or nothing.

0:41:360:41:39

Americans seem to be, I hate to say this about Americans,

0:41:390:41:42

but generally Americans are all about the second chance.

0:41:420:41:45

So here I am in America in 1985, starting a whole new career

0:41:480:41:53

again at the bottom.

0:41:530:41:54

He's still got no money when he went to America.

0:41:550:41:57

He is still scratching about,

0:41:570:42:00

but he is a gun for hire, so he gets opportunities.

0:42:000:42:04

He still thought he would probably end up making his millions in motor racing somehow.

0:42:040:42:10

This time I wasn't quite as serious, maybe a little bit more partying.

0:42:120:42:16

Actually, I started to enjoy racing a little bit.

0:42:160:42:19

The feeder series to IndyCar,

0:42:190:42:21

Indy Lights, or ARS, as it was initially called,

0:42:210:42:24

Tommy did very well and wasn't in the best cars,

0:42:240:42:27

wasn't in the best teams.

0:42:270:42:29

He takes pretty much any opportunity that anybody offers him and he

0:42:290:42:33

makes good use of them and he does well.

0:42:330:42:35

In turn number 11, his final pass,

0:42:350:42:37

this is the man who is going to win the race,

0:42:370:42:40

Tommy Byrne charges the line and takes the chequered flag.

0:42:400:42:43

It's going to be fun. I'm used to that.

0:42:430:42:45

Tommy enjoyed the American adventure,

0:42:460:42:49

the parties and the lifestyle.

0:42:490:42:51

I won a bunch of races hung over in America.

0:42:510:42:54

It was just a matter of, you know,

0:42:540:42:56

having a bit of fun and winning some races at the same time.

0:42:560:42:59

He just hung it out there.

0:42:590:43:01

He wasn't afraid to tell you what he thought.

0:43:010:43:04

Guess what? That is what I liked about Tommy from the very first day.

0:43:040:43:07

I didn't get it. I thought it was a big mistake.

0:43:090:43:12

I think he should have stayed in Europe.

0:43:120:43:14

For me, there is no way you can come from there and go back to Formula 1.

0:43:140:43:19

If you are good enough, fast enough, and certainly Tommy was,

0:43:200:43:25

a little window of opportunity will always open, it always does.

0:43:250:43:29

By the time Ayrton Senna left Lotus, he actually put a word in to

0:43:310:43:36

the Lotus boss Peter Warr that he should look at Tommy,

0:43:360:43:40

but Tommy's exploits in America didn't even register.

0:43:400:43:43

Eddie Jordan kind of half convinced me there was

0:43:430:43:46

a chance of me still getting into a Formula 1 car.

0:43:460:43:48

I think we talked to one team, Tyrrell, and I think they wanted a couple of million pounds,

0:43:480:43:52

so, I mean, it just wasn't going to happen.

0:43:520:43:55

I went over and back to Tommy a lot in America.

0:43:570:44:00

He was enjoying himself.

0:44:000:44:01

He would talk about the dreams that he still would have and after Tommy didn't make

0:44:010:44:07

it in Formula 1 his dreams went into other things.

0:44:070:44:11

Different things that he would say, "I am going to do in life."

0:44:110:44:14

This is my old house.

0:44:220:44:24

Got married and I bought this '87.

0:44:240:44:26

When I came back from racing,

0:44:270:44:29

this was my haven. I loved it.

0:44:290:44:30

Well, this place hasn't changed much.

0:44:420:44:45

15 years, huh?

0:44:490:44:51

Last time I was here.

0:44:520:44:54

Spent a lot of good years here, ten good years, you know.

0:44:550:44:59

Kind of sad. Sad and happy.

0:45:000:45:02

Happy and sad. Look at that.

0:45:030:45:06

Vroom, vroom,

0:45:170:45:18

Vroom!

0:45:210:45:22

'This is my home. It was just, it was perfect.

0:45:260:45:29

'It presents what I always wanted in America.'

0:45:300:45:33

When I was doing really well, we had parties here, down here on the beach,

0:45:340:45:39

and this was the life.

0:45:390:45:41

I just went racing and came back to this.

0:45:410:45:43

Can't get much better than that, it was brilliant.

0:45:430:45:46

In America, I only made half the effort.

0:45:520:45:55

Half my effort was OK.

0:45:550:45:57

You always think you're going to get 1 million,

0:45:570:45:59

there's still always a chance, you know.

0:45:590:46:01

I was only one deal away from the big time.

0:46:010:46:04

Are we ever going to see Tommy Byrne in an IndyCar in the near future?

0:46:060:46:09

I hope so. I'd like to get into a IndyCar and maybe do well,

0:46:090:46:12

rather than just get into a car just to say, "Hi, I drive IndyCars."

0:46:120:46:15

I'd like to do well, it would be nice to get into a good IndyCar team.

0:46:150:46:20

You think about any category of major motor sports in the world today,

0:46:200:46:24

you have IndyCar, 24 seats, you have Formula 1, 22 seats right now.

0:46:240:46:29

Sports car racing, eight to ten seats.

0:46:290:46:32

The total amount of that is less than 50 drives available globally at

0:46:330:46:37

any point in time, no matter what generation it is.

0:46:370:46:40

That's not very many.

0:46:410:46:42

There's only a small number of teams in IndyCar that have the finance to

0:46:480:46:51

take on a driver, and Tommy would have come with a name.

0:46:510:46:55

Other young kids in America that were coming through were dedicating

0:46:580:47:02

their life to it, but for Tommy, it was something he did at the weekend.

0:47:020:47:05

Not from Monday morning at eight o'clock when you got up,

0:47:050:47:08

"How do I be a better racing driver?"

0:47:080:47:10

That was a question he probably didn't ask himself, ever.

0:47:100:47:14

Tommy was always running at the front, he'd always win two, three, four races a year.

0:47:160:47:20

Tommy was always a factor every weekend,

0:47:200:47:23

but winning the Championship would have been the leap that he needed to

0:47:230:47:28

get into IndyCar.

0:47:280:47:29

..Within an hour

0:47:290:47:31

we'll know who the new ARS champion is.

0:47:310:47:34

In the three years I did full-time ARS was '87, '88 and '89,

0:47:340:47:37

and I was going into the last race every time with a chance of

0:47:370:47:41

winning the Championship.

0:47:410:47:43

Tommy Byrne is really Mr ARS.

0:47:430:47:44

He's run every year of ARS

0:47:440:47:46

and he has done just about everything that you

0:47:460:47:50

can do. He knows he has a chance to really go and win the Championship,

0:47:500:47:53

he's been trying for it for four years.

0:47:530:47:55

I was leading the race, the last race of the year in California,

0:47:570:48:01

I was driving the shit out of it.

0:48:010:48:03

This is the battle that's been joined since the drop of the green flag.

0:48:030:48:06

Barry, something has happened directly behind you.

0:48:060:48:09

It looks as if one car has gone off the course out of turn number 11.

0:48:090:48:12

Now, does it involve Byrne, maybe?

0:48:120:48:14

I think something's wrong with Byrne.

0:48:140:48:17

I don't know how the car got over on that part of the...

0:48:170:48:19

Oh, Tommy Byrne has nowhere to go.

0:48:190:48:21

Your thoughts at that point when you realised you were about to lose the Championship?

0:48:230:48:26

I don't think I can say it on TV.

0:48:260:48:28

Oh, bleep!

0:48:280:48:30

'So that day I lost the Championship and 80,000'

0:48:300:48:34

and the Triple Crown. I lost a lot, and the chance to get into IndyCar.

0:48:340:48:38

So I lost it all in one day.

0:48:380:48:41

It just wasn't to be.

0:48:410:48:42

I should have stopped in '89 and got a job.

0:48:460:48:50

It just wasn't to be. And at that stage now, '90, '91,

0:48:500:48:55

I do a couple of half-assed races

0:48:550:48:57

and when I was lapped by my team-mate,

0:48:570:49:01

Vince Neil from Motley Crue,

0:49:010:49:03

I knew it was kind of all over at that point.

0:49:030:49:06

And then that was it.

0:49:060:49:07

Probably started drinking a little bit too much at that stage.

0:49:100:49:13

Smoking the pot.

0:49:130:49:16

I would say at the end, I was just worn down at that stage.

0:49:160:49:19

Things weren't going too good at home, you know, with my wife.

0:49:200:49:23

There was some issues. I was coming to the end.

0:49:280:49:31

It was just... That was always hanging over your head, you know.

0:49:320:49:36

And no money whatsoever. Hadn't got a pot to piss in.

0:49:360:49:39

So I had to do something.

0:49:400:49:41

Different categories across the globe,

0:49:430:49:44

you would have Formula 1 at the epicentre of world motorsport.

0:49:440:49:48

You'd have IndyCar in America and then as you come down the ladder to

0:49:480:49:52

the different categories that you would parachute out to and you,

0:49:520:49:58

then drop down to another level and then another level

0:49:580:50:00

and then somewhere below all those levels was racing in Mexico.

0:50:000:50:05

I got a phone call from Alberto Lozano, my team owner.

0:50:120:50:15

He kind of invited me down and ended up giving me 2,000 a race and the

0:50:150:50:19

full mini bar and all expenses.

0:50:190:50:21

So, I mean, I was making decent money.

0:50:210:50:23

Took a very dark turn in Mexico

0:50:230:50:25

because the sort of characters that

0:50:250:50:29

were able to fund Tommy's racing were...unusual.

0:50:290:50:33

I was in New Mexico.

0:50:330:50:35

The first visit, I met this guy, Orchio.

0:50:350:50:38

But I would just mention to him, "If we had an Italian engine,

0:50:380:50:43

"I think we'd go win that next race."

0:50:430:50:44

So then he would go to my team owner and buy the 30,000 engine.

0:50:440:50:49

So he put a lot of money into the team that way.

0:50:490:50:51

Don't ask where the money came from and don't ask about the lifestyle

0:50:520:50:56

round it, but Tommy had to fit in

0:50:560:50:59

with that in order to continue getting drives,

0:50:590:51:03

which he happily did until it got too crazy even for Tommy.

0:51:030:51:07

GUN COCKS

0:51:070:51:08

GUNSHOTS

0:51:080:51:10

Pretty good.

0:51:130:51:14

Mexico, it was just a total mess.

0:51:150:51:18

It was just partying and whores.

0:51:180:51:21

That's all Mexico was.

0:51:210:51:23

He wasn't paying for whores, I can assure you.

0:51:230:51:25

Somebody else was.

0:51:260:51:28

It was very, very crazy.

0:51:290:51:31

It was a lot of drinking down there, a lot of partying down there.

0:51:330:51:36

Just lots of it.

0:51:360:51:38

And they're very wealthy. I just went along with what I was supposed to do.

0:51:380:51:42

There was a room that you nearly could not get into

0:51:430:51:46

because of boxes of beer in the house, all got to do with his sponsorship.

0:51:460:51:52

The guy was living an oblivious life at that point.

0:51:530:51:58

Where he thought he should be was world champion, and here he was,

0:51:580:52:02

he was stuck in a rut with a drug baron in Mexico,

0:52:020:52:06

not really a nice place to be.

0:52:060:52:07

His contemporaries, who he'd completely blown away,

0:52:090:52:11

were now F1 drivers, earning vast fortunes.

0:52:110:52:14

So that would have hurt and that kept the wounds alive.

0:52:140:52:18

I can't think of a driver that was at Tommy's level that's ever ended

0:52:180:52:23

up on the margins of racing like that.

0:52:230:52:26

He fell probably further than anybody's fallen.

0:52:260:52:28

Probably could have stayed in Mexico longer, except Orchio had...

0:52:330:52:37

We had a bunch of girls in the house and next thing is we hear gunshots

0:52:370:52:42

upstairs. And then Orchio comes to the top of the stairway,

0:52:420:52:47

fucking completely naked, and he's got a gun in his hand.

0:52:470:52:51

I'm going, "Jesus, Orchio, que pasa? You crazy..."

0:52:510:52:54

He goes... And he shoots at me and missed.

0:52:540:52:58

And the girls are running down the stairway, naked,

0:52:580:53:01

tits are flying everywhere.

0:53:010:53:02

And they're running past me, "Tommy, help me, help me!

0:53:020:53:04

"He's loco!"

0:53:040:53:07

I said, "To hell with this."

0:53:070:53:08

I turned round back in the room and locked the door.

0:53:080:53:11

That's when I left and I didn't go back.

0:53:110:53:14

And Alberto called me two weeks later and he said Orchio was dead.

0:53:140:53:19

He drowned in a swimming pool.

0:53:190:53:22

When I came back from Mexico, it was over, I didn't race again.

0:53:310:53:34

Most of your life's behind you and it didn't work out

0:53:370:53:40

the way it should have.

0:53:400:53:41

There's no more racing,

0:53:430:53:44

there's no more winning and our relationship was gone to shit.

0:53:440:53:48

We were done. And it all fell apart here.

0:53:500:53:54

People get fed up, you're complaining, you're calling people, boo-hoo.

0:53:550:53:59

Lost my wife, she left me.

0:53:590:54:01

And I didn't have the kids for a while because they were with their mum, and it was hard.

0:54:010:54:04

Just lying there on the couch with my beer and you'd look

0:54:040:54:07

over and they weren't there any more.

0:54:070:54:10

That was probably the worst part for me.

0:54:100:54:12

I went out to visit him and he was living in a caravan beside a lake,

0:54:130:54:18

and he didn't want me to come with him cos he didn't want me to see

0:54:180:54:21

what he was doing and he was gathering ferns, he was working as a labourer.

0:54:210:54:25

I just couldn't get going.

0:54:260:54:29

I just couldn't get going.

0:54:290:54:30

It was easier to drink and smoke pot and do my

0:54:300:54:33

work out in the woods than it was to, you know,

0:54:330:54:37

to go back looking for racing jobs, go back on the road.

0:54:370:54:40

He says to me, "You probably think I'm a failure.

0:54:410:54:44

"You probably think I'm a terrible failure."

0:54:440:54:47

And I said, "Tommy, we've all got things that haven't worked out for us in

0:54:470:54:51

"our lives, the dice might not have rolled well.

0:54:510:54:53

"But everybody respects the talent you have,

0:54:530:54:55

"everybody respects what you've done, and more than that,

0:54:550:54:59

"it's you that you like, not the fact that you drove a bloody Formula 1 car."

0:54:590:55:02

He was very low.

0:55:050:55:06

I don't know how he really got himself back together.

0:55:080:55:11

I just really don't know.

0:55:110:55:13

I was losing my kids, you know.

0:55:160:55:20

Even though I ended up, in the end, getting custody of the kids,

0:55:200:55:24

but it was rough.

0:55:240:55:26

It was nothing... That's when I needed some stability, job-wise.

0:55:260:55:31

'94, when I started working with Ohio,

0:55:350:55:38

sometimes I would do... I think

0:55:380:55:40

I did 120 days one year and then I was starting to do a little

0:55:400:55:44

bit of coaching on the side. '94, '95,

0:55:440:55:47

things were getting better and the house was gone, renting and stuff,

0:55:470:55:50

so things were, for sure, picking up.

0:55:500:55:53

And then, of course, I met Michelle.

0:55:540:55:56

And that was my old girlfriend of mine from '84.

0:55:570:56:01

I met her again and then things obviously got a lot better.

0:56:010:56:05

The boys were there, growing up, it was kind of cool.

0:56:050:56:08

In 1998, we met again and he was more serious, Tommy, still joked around.

0:56:080:56:14

But there was an underlying seriousness, maybe a sadness.

0:56:160:56:22

But I don't think that that sadness is following him around now.

0:56:220:56:26

I'll wear it tonight.

0:56:270:56:29

'As time went on,

0:56:290:56:31

'I think he started realising'

0:56:310:56:32

maybe how he should have handled his career,

0:56:320:56:35

what he should have done.

0:56:350:56:36

But I think he's able to let that go.

0:56:360:56:38

But you know what? I personally don't think he's ever going to get away from it.

0:56:380:56:43

It will always be part of him.

0:56:430:56:45

I don't think he can ever...

0:56:450:56:46

He cannot box it up and put it away like memorabilia.

0:56:460:56:50

'It's part of him.'

0:56:500:56:52

A lot of people think I'm a millionaire.

0:56:520:56:54

Aren't you a millionaire?

0:56:540:56:56

No. Not really. I'm just giving an example of what it's like sometimes

0:56:560:57:00

being sort of a superstar.

0:57:000:57:01

But I don't think I am alone.

0:57:010:57:03

Yet.

0:57:030:57:05

It's very easy to be critical of the things around Tommy that didn't

0:57:170:57:20

give Tommy what he needed, but certainly, in my experience,

0:57:200:57:25

Tommy Byrne deprived himself of the opportunity to be a world champion.

0:57:250:57:30

Sometimes you just have to play the game.

0:57:340:57:37

I often ask, "Did Tommy ever play the game well enough?"

0:57:370:57:41

I did chase. I just didn't chase their way.

0:57:550:57:58

I had my way of doing it.

0:57:580:58:00

Every day I thought about getting to the next level, every fucking day.

0:58:010:58:06

I just did it a different way.

0:58:060:58:07

I do know one thing. Nobody gives a shit.

0:58:080:58:11

I was pissed off too long.

0:58:110:58:14

I'm worn out, it's time to move on, because I'm not pissed off any more.

0:58:140:58:17

I met a lot of people on my way and I made a lot of friends.

0:58:210:58:23

It hasn't been a terrible life.

0:58:230:58:27

I just lost out on about 100 million.

0:58:270:58:29

That's all.

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