Maureen Lipman Holding Back the Years


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For the first time in Britain

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there are more people over the age of 60 than under 16.

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You are 83.

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100 years on this earth.

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You've got some amazing volunteers in their 80s and 90s.

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But what does growing older mean to you?

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Difficult, sometimes more than other times.

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I don't think you should be nervous about getting old.

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-Yeah.

-It's a wonderful state.

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Our team is getting to the bottom

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of the key ageing concerns that you've told us about.

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Deciding when to retire.

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Being more sociable.

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Keeping healthy.

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Making your voice heard.

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Or the cost of happiness.

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And even if you haven't yet reached your golden years,

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it's never too early to start planning.

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So, whether you're an old dog or a young pup,

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get ready to learn some new tricks

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as we lift the lid on holding back the years.

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Today more than 3.6 million people aged over 65 live on their own,

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which means getting out and about is essential

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if you're to meet people and stay social.

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But it's not always easy.

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That's why in this episode I want to show you how it can be done

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by meeting those Brits who are refusing

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to be left on life's platform,

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'whether that is by volunteering...'

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We've got two tins of baked beans.

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Don't eat them all at once because you know what will happen.

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'..learning a new skill...'

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..le Petit Chapeau Rouge.

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Oh, I'm sorry, I've got to do that again.

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Retake, please. Make-up!

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'..or even just hanging out with the boys.'

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I am a Lipman in the shed. Ooh.

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So, grab your coats,

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because you're about to come on a grand day out with me.

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Come on, keep me company.

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Thank you.

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But first, let me tell you why this subject means so much to me.

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I was married for over 30 years

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to the playwright Jack Rosenthal

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when, 13 years ago, I lost him to myeloma

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and found myself in a new country

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where I really didn't know the rules,

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and my future suddenly didn't look so certain.

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It was tempting to close the door on the world

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and retreat into isolation,

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but for me the answer to staying social was work,

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and I'm lucky to be in a business where I can meet new people

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with every new job,

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but I'm aware this isn't an option for most people.

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I'm very aware that my life experience is not anybody else's.

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I've had a very lucky life on the whole.

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I want to find out what people of my generation,

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baby boomers and before, do to stay connected, to stay sociable,

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to keep their lives moving on.

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And what better place to find out

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than in my home city of Kingston upon Hull,

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where they call a spade...

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a shovel.

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Loneliness in old age has always been known as the hidden killer,

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with lack of social interaction strongly linked to depression,

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malnutrition and even Alzheimer's disease,

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and it's always been with us.

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I get lonely, very lonely.

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I've got lonely ever since my husband died, really.

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We used to have neighbours coming in for a drink, you know.

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How long is it since you had a neighbour come in for a drink now?

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Oh, they don't come in now.

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At the weekend, for example, does anyone come to see you?

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No.

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But if you're thinking it's a rare phenomenon these days,

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then think again.

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Estimates say that as many as 10% of Britain's elderly

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experience extreme loneliness,

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but I'm here to show you that it doesn't have to be that way.

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Now, don't laugh, but the first stop I'm taking you on our grand day out

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is a place that provides an invaluable service for older people

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who want to get out of the house and have a bit of company -

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the Darby and Joan club, which has been around for a while.

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-NEWSREEL:

-The grand old people of Streatham,

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the old-age pensioners of the district,

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have been provided with a snug little refuge all their own

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with the opening of the Darby and Joan club,

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believed to be the first of its kind in Great Britain.

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Today, these clubs are run

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by Her Majesty's Royal Voluntary Service,

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helping over 100,000 people a month to have a lovely time.

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But here's the twist, the volunteers are almost as old, if not older,

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than those they serve.

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So I'm meeting a few of them,

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like 81-year-old Jennifer, who's in charge.

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She's been a volunteer for an incredible 39 years.

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Well, I get a lot of pleasure from meeting all the people

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and I also find it really structures my week.

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-Yes.

-The Friday.

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Yes, it gives me a purpose in life, yes.

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I notice, of course, that the ratio of women to men is a bit staggering.

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-Yes.

-I've counted six men so far.

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-Yes.

-Do they get mobbed?

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No.

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We have in the past had some marriages from here.

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-Have you?

-Yes, but not for quite some time.

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Well, actually, little Gladys, who is 100,

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she married somebody from here.

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-Really?

-Yes.

-A second marriage?

-Third, it was, for her.

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Ooh. Gladys.

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Well, she's got something that's kept her going for 100 years.

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Dorothy, meanwhile, has been here even longer.

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Dorothy, I know that you're just over 90.

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-Yes.

-And that you've been here for how long?

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-40 years.

-In a way, it's a panacea.

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It is a sort of a therapy, isn't it?

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-Yeah.

-Yeah.

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Yes, well, you realise that you may have problems,

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but they're not nearly as bad as a lot of the people that come here.

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And Joyce even longer still.

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May I ask how old you are?

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I'm 92.

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So a lot of people might think,

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"She should be sitting there having her dinner brought to her,"

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but you're doing the work.

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But these three are only the tip of a very big iceberg.

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At last count, the Royal Voluntary Service boasted

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over 35,000 volunteers dedicated to helping senior citizens

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remain independent while staying social.

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And whether it's visiting them in hospital,

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going down the shops or popping around for a cuppa,

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every year they make some 90,000 journeys

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on behalf of Britain's elderly.

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But, get this - it benefits them too,

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because there is evidence to suggest that volunteering

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is good for your own health,

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as the Royal Voluntary Service's national boss is keen to stress.

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I mean, you've got some amazing volunteers who today,

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but, like, 80s and 90s, you think, "They should be sitting down",

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but they're not. They are serving others.

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Well, they're not, but, see, I'm not sure I agree

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that the answer is young volunteers,

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because for me the people who are in their 70s and 80s and 90s

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that are coming here and volunteering,

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that's as important as those people who are being served lunch

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by our volunteers, because there is very, very clear evidence

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from a professor in Manchester that being a volunteer

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helps you live longer, be physically better

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and mentally better.

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SONG: Don't Let's Be Beastly To The Germans

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There is something of a wartime spirit about this place,

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and that's no real surprise given its history.

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The Royal Voluntary Service started off as the Women's Voluntary Service

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back in 1938 and it was part of keeping the home front going.

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Their first line of defence, a good cup of tea.

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Wherever men work over here, it's tea they want.

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The WVS brings the tea to them.

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Next to blood, it's Britain's most precious liquid.

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Over the years, they have evolved into an organisation

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that helps older people stay in touch with the wider society,

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especially through its pioneering Meals On Wheels service.

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There is a private as well as a public conscience

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about old people who live alone.

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For the few the short-handed Meals On Wheels volunteers can visit,

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the brief company of someone they know

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and a meal ready to eat are a double godsend.

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Today, using food as their way into people's lives

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is a philosophy that David believes

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is still at the heart of their mission.

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About five years ago we started the campaign to end loneliness,

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because it's a kind of hidden disease.

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We know there are very clear medical stats that say chronic loneliness

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is as bad for you as smoking 15 cigarettes a day.

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And that sounds slightly strange,

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but if you think about it, we're sociable people.

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We are programmed to be with others.

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There's a lot of talk at the moment about the NHS and social care

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and funding, but the reality is most older people don't need nurses,

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they don't need social workers, they don't need care homes,

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they need somebody to talk to,

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they need a reason to get out of the house in the morning.

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OK, well, I think it's time I stopped chatting and got serving.

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Who knows, it might take a few years off me as well!

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My name is Maureen and I'm really happy to serve you.

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-Oh, lovely.

-And...

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INAUDIBLE

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Yes, you are. Have a nice day.

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'At last it's time for me to take the weight off my feet

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'and have a natter, which is the real reason for being here.'

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So, come on, gang, tell me,

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what do you get out of coming here every Friday?

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It means it's somewhere I can bring my wife out to,

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because I'm more concerned about her mixing with people.

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Right, which one of these gorgeous women is your wife?

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-Sat at the next table.

-Oh, is she?

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So you want mixing with people, but not with you!

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Do you come here, Edna, for the food or the company or for both?

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For both. Yes.

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You have a feeling when you're here

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you're being well looked after

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during that period of time that you're here.

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Do you think it's harder to make friends when you're older?

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Yes. I think it is. And if you're in a flat on your own,

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it can get a bit lonely.

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I don't like to say it in front of these gentlemen,

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but you can get a bit fed up with television.

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Lunch over, time for the dishes to be done...

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which, not having brought my rubber gloves with me,

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I'm quite keen to avoid, if you don't mind.

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'So give me the microphone, there's a raffle to be run.'

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Number 16.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I am your raffle drawer for the day.

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Ooh.

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We've got tuna chunks and we've got a packet of biscuits.

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What's that blue tin over there?

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Tin of pork.

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No. A tin of pork?

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Oh, I'm not talking about that, I don't do pork.

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'You can feel the anticipation in the room.'

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Right, and the winner of any of these fabulous prizes is 188.

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'While my glamorous assistant Veronica hands out the prizes,

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'strangely not even the lucky winners seem to want the sardines.'

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She doesn't want the sardines.

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She's going to give her the sardines whether she wants them or not.

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I think my presentation skills have won them over, you know?

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Someone even wants my autograph.

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I do hope they don't think I'm Angela Rippon.

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But do you know something?

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This has been an afternoon I really won't forget for a long time.

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That was so enjoyable.

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Volunteers, some of whom are older than their guests,

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who go away feeling as if they have contributed...

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..to society, as if they've had a laugh.

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It's quite wonderful what they're doing,

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and I just wonder who are the next set of volunteers.

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Where are they going to come from?

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Because we are all working longer and longer hours

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just to stay where we are in life.

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How do you put it across to people

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that Darby and Joan used to be Jack and Jill?

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One thing I really noticed at lunch was just how much

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the women outnumbered the men,

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which, according to stats, is actually a nationwide trend.

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Studies show men find it harder than women to make new friends

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when widowed or divorced late in life

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and are more likely to feel isolated.

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Not that it's a modern phenomenon, by any means.

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Mr Broughton is a lonely man.

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His wife left him 31 years ago.

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You're not living, you're existing.

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I'm not clear yet as to what kind of help you would like to get.

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The ordinary good old neighbour saying,

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"Hello, how you getting on? Aren't you dead yet?"

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So how do things compare today in 2017?

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Have things moved on at all?

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-Hello.

-Hello.

-Nice to meet you.

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I've come to meet Mike Archer,

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who, after the break-up of his marriage,

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knew the impact of loneliness first-hand.

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I've been living by myself for 20 years.

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Mm-hmm. You were married for how long?

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25 years.

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-Bar the month.

-Bar a month.

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That was the month, that was the one month.

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-OK.

-I'm longer single than married.

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Right. Did you imagine that it would be so difficult

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to get used to your own company, a single man?

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The beginning, it was very, very lonely.

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I spent two years never going out,

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because you do tend to stay round the house.

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You've got to find something to more or less interest yourself

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and snap you out of it, like.

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And that something for Mike turned out to be his love of making stuff,

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which he discovered was a passion shared

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by some other blokes in the area,

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which is why they joined together to form the Hull branch

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of a nationwide organisation called Men In Sheds.

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Now, when I think of sheds,

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what comes to mind is chilly wooden huts

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filled with clutter and blokes with beards.

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Women should be seen, but only peripherally.

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But the shed that Mike visits is a different beast entirely.

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It's a fully kitted-out, fully powered-up,

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fully health-and-safety man space.

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Old girls like me are very welcome indeed.

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So I've popped along with Mike to see some of the men

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handling their tools.

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I bet you didn't expect to see that at this hour of the day.

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OK, so, I'm a man, I've come along,

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I've never picked up a screwdriver in my life -

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this is all true apart from the bit about me being a man -

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what would you...? How would you help me to start?

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We find challenging things to make.

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Maybe something like that.

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Could I make a dinosaur for my grandson

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whose birthday it is today?

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Is it?

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Very good. Yes, certainly, we can knock a dinosaur together, yes.

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Let's do it. OK.

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So, I turn it on here number one.

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You turn it on here.

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What you're doing, you're lining them two holes there

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to put the drill through, so if you take the back...

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I'm going to just lightly hold it.

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-Just lightly hold it down.

-Yeah?

-Keep coming down on that.

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I'm taking to it now, I'm getting to like this.

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Oh, look at that. Is that, like, a perfect hole?

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I mean, you know, makes you wonder

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why I haven't been doing it all my life, doesn't it?

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So what we do now,

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we put the dowels in, if you just put it down there like that.

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Right. There you are.

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That's basically your dinosaur.

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I am a woman... I am a Lipman in a shed.

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Ooh.

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That's lovely. Now, you see, I've made my first dinosaur,

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and now you see why the dinosaur is extinct.

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While a few of the guys have a bite to eat and a cuppa,

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I have noticed that so far

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this isn't my most glamorous TV assignment.

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Well, Joanna Lumley gets Egypt, Michael Palin gets Antarctica,

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I get a shed in Hull.

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Nothing wrong with that.

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Of course, not everyone wants to spend time in a shed.

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No matter how splendid it is.

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But this is more about having a hobby,

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which health researchers say aids mental and physical wellbeing.

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So are the blokes in here feeling that benefit?

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I can see that you're doing these beautiful turned wood pens.

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-Oh, yes.

-So the work is very rewarding. What else?

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If the only other thing you've got, really, is to go down the pub...

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-Yeah.

-..you know, and if you don't really get

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company there, then, you know...?

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Here, when you walk through the door,

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you're going to have somebody talking to you.

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If you're down, somebody's going to pick you up a bit, you know.

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I was sat at home doing nothing.

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-Right.

-And it was actually the wife that said,

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"Have you seen this advert in the paper?

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"Do you want to go down and see what it's like?"

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-So...

-Get out from under my feet while you're at it!

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Well, that sort of thing, yeah. Yeah.

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It's brilliant.

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-You can't think of nothing else.

-Really?

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Dinosaurs to go.

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I've had such a good time in there.

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I expected an empty shed and lots of grumpy men,

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and what I found was companionship, love

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and something to contribute to society

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no matter how old you are.

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I think we need Women In Sheds, don't you?

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MUSIC: Happy Hour by The Housemartins

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So, are you having a grand day out with me?

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Good!

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Because science has proved that getting outdoors

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is essential for holding back the years.

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It's a great source of vitamin D, exercise

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and, of course, it helps us combat the stresses

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of being cooped up in our house all day on our own.

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Of course, there's one guaranteed way of ensuring

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that you'll spend a bit of your time in the great outdoors.

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Get an animal.

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It's obvious, really.

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A pet needs to be walked, fed and entertained,

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which means they are the ideal way of getting some exercise,

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keeping the brain active

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and persuading you to get out into the open.

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And science shows it works too.

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According to studies, pets can help lower blood pressure,

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lessen depression, and people with pets visit the doctor

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20% less than others, which is maybe why I'm in quite good nick.

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Yep, I'm a sucker for doggies.

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Of course, deciding to take on the responsibility of a pet

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in later life can be somewhat daunting.

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So I'm visiting the sort of place that could help.

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The Jerry Green Dog Kennels on the outskirts of Hull

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pairs elderly folk with the perfect dog for them.

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'I'm meeting the charity's boss, Jackie Bell.'

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What I'm getting, Jackie,

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is that this is a kind of a bespoke rescue centre.

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-It is.

-You sort of specialise in fitting the right dog

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-to the right person.

-We are really proud of that.

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We believe, and we genuinely believe this,

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we do believe that every dog that we've got,

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there is an owner out there for them.

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So we will make extra efforts to make sure

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that we get the match right.

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We won't make any assumptions, either.

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So for instance lots of rescues will say to an older person,

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"Oh, we've got a lovely older dog for you."

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Well, I'd be better for an older dog because I'm a lazy dog owner.

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Actually, there's lots of older people who walk every day,

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really, really active.

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So from the point of view of someone who is solitary,

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maybe bereaved, maybe lonely, it's a wonderful idea.

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Life-changing.

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We recognise, and there's so much evidence out there now,

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that dogs make such a difference to your quality of life.

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They do.

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Well, that's the theory, but how does it work in practice?

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Today, Ken Batty has brought Melody,

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who he got from the kennels last November,

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back in to discuss how they're both doing.

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Here we are.

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Hiya, Ken. Hiya, Melody. Hiya.

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Hello. How you doing? How you doing?

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Would you like to come through?

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We'll have a chat and see how you're getting on.

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-Excellent.

-All right, thank you. Come on, then.

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-So how are you getting on?

-Oh, beautiful.

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She's absolutely a joy to have.

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She is looking absolutely happy and lovely.

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It's wonderful to see. It was a good match, I think.

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Oh, yeah.

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Have you got any concerns

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or anything that you need any help with?

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No, not really. She's come on leaps and bounds and, I mean,

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obviously I know that I can always ring you if anything does occur.

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Ken divorced three years ago at the age of 61

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and he moved back to be with his mother,

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who sadly passed away over Christmas.

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He's invited me to his home

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to find out what a difference Melody has made.

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Why at this stage of your life, Ken, did you want a dog so badly?

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Well, two years ago I was diagnosed with throat cancer.

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And I went through chemo and radiotherapy,

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which obviously took a lot out of me,

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and when I was on the road to recovery,

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the doctors advised me to do as much walking as I could possibly manage.

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Walking by yourself is a bit boring.

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I thought I would quite like a companion,

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so this is why we got Melody.

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She's worked out absolutely brilliant.

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-Really?

-I mean, I've had her three months now.

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-Yeah.

-And my mother unfortunately passed away

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over the Christmas period, but, I mean,

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when she was still with us, I mean, Melody was the apple of her eye,

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she absolutely loved Melody and Melody loved her.

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So the two of you chose this dog together.

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So we chose the dog together.

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I mean, it becomes hard when you lose a parent,

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but it's also when you're living by yourself.

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-Yeah.

-So with her being with me,

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I mean, she gives me the reason to get out of bed in the morning,

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because I have to take her for a walk

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and to take a walk in the night.

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I often take her out during the day as well.

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Yeah. And when you are feeling a bit low in yourself,

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maybe take two steps forward, one step back...

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..does she sort of know?

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I believe she does. I believe dogs are aware of that feeling.

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I mean, it's like...

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She'll go and sit on my mother's chair.

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Which she used to sit on my mother's knee, so...

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But even though my mother's not there, she will...

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She won't spend long there but she will sometimes, for no reason whatsoever,

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just go and jump on there and curl up in a ball,

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and then after a few minutes she gets down.

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I look after her, she looks after me.

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She looks after my sanity and I look after her.

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For me, meeting Ken is proof that finding any sort of friendship

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is vital as we hold back the years.

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It doesn't have to be a human that gets you out of yourself.

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Ken is on the road to recovery

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from the worst things that life can throw at you.

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And it's all down to having the right little fluffy person

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to talk to.

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Now, it's always great to get back up home every now and then,

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especially at the moment,

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because Hull is currently the UK's City of Culture,

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and the place is buzzing with events, free of charge, open to all,

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so why not follow in my footsteps

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and actually come out for a day here in person?

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I'm a firm believer in the power of the arts

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in keeping the mind active.

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And studies consistently show that a busy, enquiring mind

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is a healthy mind.

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Mmm, she looks familiar.

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But there's another way to fill your life

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with a bit of sophisticated learning,

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which I'll tell you about in a moment.

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I just need to make a quick call.

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Anthony?

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Oh, congratulations on your exam results.

0:24:130:24:16

'Now, while Beattie,

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'the character in those old award-winning ads,

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'was impressed at how her grandson had an ology,

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'today, it's the grandparents who are educating themselves.'

0:24:230:24:27

An ology, he gets an ology, and he says he's failed!

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You get an ology, you're a scientist!

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The University of the Third Age is a nationwide organisation

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for older people to learn new subjects and skills in a social way.

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And when I say social, I mean social,

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because the classroom is often the pub.

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Today, I'm joining a group who are just getting down to their lesson.

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I have no idea what that is.

0:24:530:24:56

But first, let's meet the person at the head of the class,

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organiser Helen.

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People join the U3A for lots of reasons.

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Erm, newly retired, newly bereaved, wanting to learn new things.

0:25:030:25:09

-Mmm.

-And wanting to make new friends.

0:25:090:25:11

People come to me and say, "You've given me a zest back for life,

0:25:110:25:16

"you've given me my life back." It's amazing.

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OK, well, time for me to get involved.

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And first up, I'm joining the French language class,

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who are attempting a version of a well-known children's fairy tale.

0:25:250:25:29

"Grand-mere, tu as de grands yeux."

0:25:290:25:32

'Hopefully, my acting skills will help with the lingo.'

0:25:320:25:35

Bonjour, mes amis!

0:25:350:25:36

Bienvenue!

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C'est possible pour moi d'avoir un part?

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Oh, dans notre piece?

0:25:450:25:47

-Oui!

-Oui?

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We've got just the part for you.

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Qu'est-ce que le show?

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The wolf. Little Red Riding Hood.

0:25:530:25:56

You could be the wolf.

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Oh! Great. I've got just the teeth for it!

0:25:570:26:01

I did have, before I had them fixed!

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"..et elle quitte le chemin pour couper des fleurs,

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"frappe a sa porte."

0:26:080:26:10

"Qui est la?

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"Ooh, c'est moi, le Petit Chapeau Rouge."

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I'm sorry, I've got to do that again.

0:26:160:26:18

Retake, please. Make-up!

0:26:180:26:21

"..la grand-mere de son lit, pour..."

0:26:210:26:24

'Hold on, is that it?'

0:26:240:26:26

I've got no more lines.

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Oh, no, I'm jacking this lot in!

0:26:270:26:29

LAUGHTER

0:26:290:26:30

'Maybe French isn't for me after all.'

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The great thing about this place is that it's nothing like

0:26:330:26:36

what you might remember school to be like.

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No, the University of the Third Age puts the emphasis on interactivity,

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fun and sociability - plus subjects that are just plain fascinating,

0:26:430:26:48

from the mysteries of ancient Egypt, bird-watching...

0:26:480:26:52

I trust Bill Oddie will still be in India.

0:26:520:26:55

..or how about a bit of belly dancing?

0:26:550:26:57

And if you really want to stretch yourself,

0:26:570:26:59

then how about some philosophy?

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Hello, I'm a citizen of the Third Age,

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and I've come to join you.

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-What are you doing today?

-We're doing philosophy.

0:27:050:27:08

Ooh! Why? Why? That's the question - why are you doing philosophy?

0:27:080:27:11

-Because we love questions!

-Ah-ha.

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We've been asking, what's the meaning of life?

0:27:140:27:16

That's simple. Piece of cake!

0:27:160:27:19

-You've got the answer for us!

-Piece de gateau.

0:27:190:27:21

It's about the search for meaning and the truth.

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The bird of truth only builds her nest

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in the branches of an open mind.

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Should there be a meaning to life,

0:27:320:27:34

before you start discussing the meaning of it?

0:27:340:27:37

'Right, this could be a bit highbrow for me.'

0:27:370:27:41

We're still no nearer a conclusion, are we,

0:27:410:27:45

about what the meaning of life is, Elma?

0:27:450:27:46

-What does...?

-Well, I'm certainly not.

0:27:460:27:48

No.

0:27:480:27:50

'I'm with Elma on that.

0:27:500:27:51

'But what about the meaning of what this place offers

0:27:510:27:54

'to mature students? Any answers?'

0:27:540:27:56

The U3A I think is something that a lot of people

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don't know enough about, that it isn't in fact a university,

0:27:590:28:03

it is a social group.

0:28:030:28:05

We don't write things down, we don't do exams at the end of it,

0:28:050:28:09

which is a good thing - I wouldn't be here if we did!

0:28:090:28:12

LAUGHTER

0:28:120:28:13

I hope you're enjoying our day out together.

0:28:170:28:19

It's been fun so far, hasn't it?

0:28:190:28:21

I think we're seeing at first hand the positive impact

0:28:210:28:24

staying social has on people's lives,

0:28:240:28:26

but you do know, old people don't just have to hang out

0:28:260:28:29

with other old people, do they?

0:28:290:28:31

Today, in my opinion, the generations don't mix

0:28:310:28:34

with each other enough.

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But that's not true of the place I'm going to next - the bingo.

0:28:360:28:40

40.

0:28:420:28:43

Looking around here, you can see how it's all ages mixing and having fun.

0:28:430:28:47

So, for someone like Mavis,

0:28:470:28:49

it's been an opportunity to meet a new best friend, Lesley,

0:28:490:28:52

21 years her junior.

0:28:520:28:54

And are you friends from a long time back, or new friends?

0:28:540:28:57

No, I met her here.

0:28:570:28:59

And how did you meet Lesley?

0:28:590:29:01

Well, I was getting a drink of water at the water button over there.

0:29:010:29:05

And Lesley came up to me and said...

0:29:050:29:09

"I hope you don't mind me saying," but she said,

0:29:090:29:11

"you always look lovely and you always look very glamorous."

0:29:110:29:15

-Very beautiful.

-And beautiful.

0:29:150:29:17

-Beautiful.

-I don't know about beautiful, but...

0:29:170:29:20

So, I thought that was really nice, and that's how we became friends.

0:29:200:29:24

What made you say that?

0:29:240:29:26

Because I'd...

0:29:260:29:28

I'd always seen her here and every time I saw her,

0:29:280:29:30

she reminded me a bit of my mother.

0:29:300:29:33

Because my mother used to look like Mavis.

0:29:330:29:36

And I just couldn't help it but tell her

0:29:360:29:38

that she was always beautiful, which...

0:29:380:29:41

And glamorous, and dressed really well - I couldn't help it.

0:29:410:29:44

I'm one of these, I'll make sure that nobody else

0:29:440:29:47

-has to be lonely, either.

-Right.

-I'm like that.

0:29:470:29:50

-Yeah.

-I became friends with Mave,

0:29:500:29:53

and then that was it, she was stuck with me,

0:29:530:29:56

because I wouldn't leave her alone!

0:29:560:29:58

Because age doesn't matter - in a bingo hall,

0:29:580:30:01

age doesn't matter at all.

0:30:010:30:03

You get them all coming in from 18, you see all these young 'uns,

0:30:030:30:07

they all come over, they'll sit and talk to you, all friendly.

0:30:070:30:12

Does the winning matter to you?

0:30:120:30:14

Oh, it does to me, but I never win!

0:30:140:30:16

It really does, but I never win!

0:30:170:30:19

Well, I was very lucky two years ago.

0:30:190:30:22

I won £25,000.

0:30:220:30:25

And do you know what, Maureen,

0:30:250:30:27

then I became her bestest, bestest friend!

0:30:270:30:29

I'll be honest, I didn't really want to come here.

0:30:320:30:35

I've never been to bingo in my life, I had no idea what to expect.

0:30:350:30:39

But as a pretentious middle-class girl,

0:30:390:30:41

my impressions of it come from the '50s and '60s,

0:30:410:30:43

when it was seen as a bit lower class -

0:30:430:30:46

a game played in smoke-filled rooms, and even on trains!

0:30:460:30:49

But the truth is that by the '80s, people were cottoning on to the fact

0:30:490:30:53

that bingo could offer people, and particularly older people,

0:30:530:30:57

more than just a good night out.

0:30:570:31:00

Bingo is a Great British institution,

0:31:000:31:02

and it's a Swedish professor who's making bingo respectable.

0:31:020:31:06

He says pensioners go senile sitting at home drinking tea.

0:31:060:31:10

Bingo keeps the brain working and keeps the old 'uns young,

0:31:100:31:13

and English pensioners agree.

0:31:130:31:15

Well, it keeps us active, don't it?!

0:31:150:31:18

We keep coming.

0:31:180:31:20

-Give us a kiss.

-What do you mean, it keeps you active?

0:31:200:31:22

You're not even man and wife, are you?

0:31:220:31:24

No!

0:31:240:31:25

Today, bingo is big business,

0:31:250:31:27

worth over £1 billion in the UK alone.

0:31:270:31:31

There are 750,000 visits to bingo halls each week,

0:31:310:31:34

with nearly three million regular players,

0:31:340:31:37

which makes it the perfect place for anyone wanting to be social,

0:31:370:31:41

and a great opportunity for all the ages to mix.

0:31:410:31:44

So there you go - I've had my own prejudices shattered today,

0:31:440:31:48

I'm even giving it a go myself.

0:31:480:31:50

Oh, what would my kids say?!

0:31:500:31:52

SHE CHUCKLES

0:31:520:31:53

68, six and eight, 68...

0:31:550:31:57

For some, however, it's more than a game, it's a life-saver.

0:31:570:32:01

78-year-old Val lost her second husband, Peter, four years ago.

0:32:010:32:06

How long had you been married?

0:32:060:32:07

Oh, not very long, 12 years.

0:32:070:32:10

He was my second husband.

0:32:100:32:11

-Right.

-Yes.

0:32:110:32:12

But he was the loveliest man, he really was lovely.

0:32:120:32:15

And where did you meet him?

0:32:150:32:17

Walking, we used to go walking in the hills, you know.

0:32:170:32:20

So you'd already lost your husband?

0:32:200:32:21

-No, I didn't.

-You were divorced.

-No, we divorced.

0:32:210:32:23

-Yeah, that...

-And then you found the love of your life.

0:32:230:32:26

I did, and he was so beautiful to me, he was really lovely.

0:32:260:32:29

He sort of half went when he had Alzheimer's...

0:32:290:32:32

-Yes.

-He wasn't the same man, but he was...

0:32:320:32:35

-No, he wasn't.

-And then, when there was no-one there,

0:32:350:32:37

what did the house feel like?

0:32:370:32:38

Terrible. Oh, it was lonely, and really...

0:32:380:32:42

Really sad... You know, sadness.

0:32:420:32:44

-Making me feel...

-Yeah. Yeah, no, don't...

0:32:440:32:46

It's sad, isn't it, yeah?

0:32:460:32:47

I wasn't maybe too fussed at first, but I thought,

0:32:470:32:49

"Right, get yourself out of this, you've got to try.

0:32:490:32:52

"You've got your children, you've got to try and get out of it."

0:32:520:32:55

And so, with the help of her daughters Sue and Amanda,

0:32:550:32:58

a trip to the bingo was Val's first step to getting over loneliness.

0:32:580:33:02

My daughters bring me, and they've got friends here as well.

0:33:020:33:06

They're such good girls,

0:33:060:33:08

and they make me go places which I wouldn't go normally.

0:33:080:33:12

So, you've got to be social, haven't you, in your life?

0:33:120:33:15

-But it's hard.

-Yes.

0:33:150:33:16

'To help Val get over her loss,

0:33:160:33:19

'she's also taken up something for the first time in her 70s - poetry.

0:33:190:33:23

'And she's written about her husband's illness.'

0:33:230:33:27

I remember when he was So handsome and strong

0:33:270:33:30

We would walk hand-in-hand And sing a love song

0:33:300:33:34

He would say how he loved me How I filled him with joy

0:33:340:33:38

Those days are all gone now

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My strong, handsome boy

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I'll love you forever

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Though life's not the same As I go home alone

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Did you know that I came?

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'So I guess the motto is, when it comes to friendship,'

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you don't have to mind the age gap.

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In fact, unlike bingo, it's not about numbers at all.

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Do you see what I did there?

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You wouldn't get that on Channel 5.

0:34:050:34:06

Ooh, bingo!

0:34:060:34:09

Now, then, just one last go at winning that 25 grand.

0:34:090:34:13

-45, four and five, 45.

-Oh, I got that.

0:34:130:34:15

Six and eight, 68.

0:34:170:34:19

I mean, I didn't want to come here,

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but I've found it absolutely fascinating.

0:34:240:34:27

It's definitely not for me, I'm innumerate,

0:34:270:34:30

so I literally couldn't keep up.

0:34:300:34:32

So, would I come again?

0:34:350:34:37

Maybe, if I had the right group of...

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If I had the right group of friends,

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and I got rid of my sort of basic snobbishness about the whole thing,

0:34:450:34:49

and my loathing of gambling,

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I think it would be a bloody good night out, frankly.

0:34:510:34:55

Well, it's coming near to the end of my grand day out,

0:34:550:34:58

and so far, I've seen some great ways for people

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to stay social and avoid loneliness,

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but I haven't looked at the biggest source of company in older years -

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marriage.

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Over 70% of people over 60 are married,

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and it is something that can bring immense comfort,

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especially in old age.

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And that was the case for my mother and father,

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who were together for 47 years through thick and thin

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and lived in Hull all their lives.

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You could say they were tailor-made for one another.

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This is my father's shop, Maurice Lipman's,

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Gentlemen's Outfitters.

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But no Maurice Lipman.

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How to describe it? Somebody once came in the shop

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and asked for a particular kind of shirt.

0:35:400:35:42

My father showed him the shirt, he said, "That's perfect, Mr Lipman.

0:35:420:35:46

"Have you got it darker?" And he turned the light out.

0:35:460:35:48

That was my dad.

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It wasn't a perfect marriage, but they were there for one another.

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And in the last 15 years of his life,

0:35:580:36:00

my mother looked patiently after my dad

0:36:000:36:02

when he lost his short-term memory.

0:36:020:36:05

So I guess in the end, like Jack and I, they were a good team.

0:36:060:36:11

And I want to end our grand day out by visiting another great team -

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a wonderful couple who've been married for over 60 years,

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Sylvia and Peter.

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As with all great love stories,

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we're starting right at the beginning.

0:36:230:36:26

We was in, well, we was in a dance hall, the Regal Ballroom...

0:36:260:36:30

Right. The Regal, I remember the Regal, yeah.

0:36:300:36:32

Yeah. Oh, you remember the Regal?

0:36:320:36:33

Yeah. I think I saw The Beatles at the Regal.

0:36:330:36:36

Cinema at the bottom and ballroom at the top.

0:36:360:36:38

Yeah. So, you started writing to each other after one meeting.

0:36:380:36:41

-Wrote every day.

-Every day!

0:36:410:36:43

Every day, yeah.

0:36:430:36:45

So, on one meeting, you knew, did you?

0:36:450:36:47

Yeah.

0:36:470:36:48

About seven months after, we was married,

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so he's exactly the same as when I first met him.

0:36:500:36:54

-Handsome brute.

-Handsome!

0:36:540:36:57

Aw!

0:36:570:36:58

You both look absolutely terrific.

0:36:580:37:00

And soon, wedding bells were ringing.

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They got married on the 26th December 1956.

0:37:040:37:08

'I would only have been ten at the time,

0:37:080:37:10

'but it seems that my family did have a role to play

0:37:100:37:13

'in the proceedings.'

0:37:130:37:14

Look at you, you devil, you!

0:37:140:37:18

That's the suit he made.

0:37:180:37:20

-Suit who made?

-Your father.

0:37:200:37:22

My father made this suit?

0:37:220:37:24

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

-Are you serious?

0:37:240:37:27

Yes. Definitely, yeah.

0:37:270:37:28

-From Maurice's Lipman's shop in...

-Yeah.

-..Monument Bridge.

0:37:280:37:32

I can't take it on board.

0:37:320:37:35

First of all, I can't believe it was ready in time for the wedding,

0:37:350:37:37

because my father was notorious!

0:37:370:37:40

Somebody once came in and was so cross with him

0:37:400:37:43

for not having a suit ready that they released a bag

0:37:430:37:45

of live chickens in the shop on a Saturday!

0:37:450:37:48

-Oh, no!

-Yeah.

0:37:480:37:49

And he got the stripe wrong down the side -

0:37:490:37:51

it's yellow, but it should be red.

0:37:510:37:53

So, he changed it for us specially, Christmas Day.

0:37:530:37:56

Thank God he was Jewish and he would work on Christmas Day, hey?!

0:37:560:38:01

That's an amazing thing to have revealed!

0:38:010:38:05

After marriage, they did what couples do, and started a family.

0:38:050:38:09

In their time, they had four children,

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who produced 15 grandchildren,

0:38:120:38:15

and now nine great-grandchildren,

0:38:150:38:18

all of whom fill their home with laughter and love.

0:38:180:38:22

It's a very special set-up.

0:38:220:38:24

So special, in fact, that on the morning

0:38:240:38:26

of their 60th wedding anniversary,

0:38:260:38:28

Sylvia and Peter got a very welcome card,

0:38:280:38:31

from a lady who knows all about long marriages.

0:38:310:38:34

That's fantastic.

0:38:340:38:35

"I am so pleased to know that you are celebrating

0:38:360:38:40

"your diamond wedding anniversary on 26th December 2016.

0:38:400:38:47

"I send my congratulations to you on such a special occasion,

0:38:470:38:51

"and would like to add my good wishes for a very happy Christmas.

0:38:510:38:56

"Elizabeth R. Mr and Mrs Peter Wilson."

0:38:560:38:59

Isn't that grand?

0:39:000:39:02

It's lovely.

0:39:020:39:03

If anything, Sylvia and Peter live a life

0:39:030:39:05

that is the opposite of loneliness.

0:39:050:39:07

It's jam-packed with people.

0:39:070:39:09

And sometimes things can get so crowded, they need a bit of space,

0:39:090:39:14

which is why their favourite hobby comes in handy - fishing.

0:39:140:39:19

'And I'm going to join them to try and catch some tips

0:39:190:39:21

'on staying together this long.'

0:39:210:39:24

-Going fishing.

-You got your rods?

0:39:240:39:26

Getting through life and being soul mates,

0:39:290:39:32

what's the most important thing, do you think?

0:39:320:39:34

-Respect.

-Respect?

-Respect, yeah.

-Yeah.

0:39:340:39:37

You both agree on that?

0:39:370:39:38

Yeah. Well, love, I think, mostly.

0:39:380:39:41

We love each other, and always will.

0:39:410:39:43

-Mmm.

-Yeah. And as they say, trust.

0:39:430:39:46

-Mmm.

-That's a big part.

0:39:460:39:48

-Mmm.

-Breakfast in bed every morning.

0:39:480:39:50

No?

0:39:500:39:51

Yeah, I've had that from day one.

0:39:510:39:53

You've got a good man here, you've got a new man.

0:39:530:39:56

Did you help with the kids?

0:39:560:39:57

-Oh, yeah.

-Oh, all the time, yeah. Yeah.

0:39:570:40:01

I've never known anything else, you know, it's...

0:40:010:40:03

Do you fight?

0:40:030:40:05

Now and again. But...

0:40:050:40:07

-Do we what, sorry?

-He's a very forgiving sort of man.

0:40:070:40:09

No, not fight, we argue.

0:40:090:40:11

-No, we argue.

-But not fight.

0:40:110:40:12

You don't sulk, that's the big thing, isn't it?

0:40:120:40:15

-Well, she does!

-Does she sulk?

0:40:150:40:17

THEY LAUGH

0:40:170:40:19

How long for?!

0:40:190:40:20

-Not long, not long.

-Not long.

0:40:210:40:23

My dad used to sulk for weeks!

0:40:230:40:25

What we get is, "Do you want a cup of tea?"

0:40:250:40:28

-"No."

-Yeah!

0:40:280:40:30

Yeah. Who's the first to say sorry?

0:40:300:40:33

-Me!

-Yeah!

0:40:330:40:35

'I really hope you're all taking notes on this at home!'

0:40:350:40:38

You're just people who look on the best side of life, aren't you?

0:40:390:40:43

-Yeah.

-And I think that's what's really kept you

0:40:430:40:45

young and kept you contented.

0:40:450:40:48

-Yeah.

-Because the glass is always half full.

0:40:480:40:51

-Yeah.

-You're absolutely brilliant.

0:40:510:40:54

And you deserve a carp.

0:40:540:40:57

Yeah, come on!

0:40:570:40:58

Here are two people who just look on the good side of things.

0:41:020:41:07

They're an example to us all - forbearance and love.

0:41:070:41:11

So, there we have it.

0:41:150:41:17

It's the end of our grand day out together,

0:41:170:41:19

and time for me to head on back down south.

0:41:190:41:22

I've learned a lot about the importance of staying social

0:41:220:41:25

to holding back the years, and I hope you have too.

0:41:250:41:28

Not only is it good for us mentally, but also physically.

0:41:280:41:31

-Hiya.

-Hiya.

-Come on, then! Come on!

-Hello!

0:41:310:41:36

We can help each other and learn new skills.

0:41:360:41:39

When they're enjoying it, I'm happy.

0:41:390:41:42

All in all, it stops us from becoming fossilised old dinosaurs.

0:41:420:41:46

Very nice, yeah.

0:41:460:41:49

If you're in any doubt,

0:41:490:41:50

there's one question I've asked everyone on this journey.

0:41:500:41:53

On a scale of one to ten, how important is the company of others?

0:41:530:42:00

It's about ten, I would...

0:42:000:42:01

Nine or ten.

0:42:010:42:02

I think it's neuf.

0:42:020:42:04

Nine, ten.

0:42:040:42:05

It's definitely nine and ten.

0:42:050:42:07

-12.

-Is it 12?

-12.

0:42:070:42:10

'The people I've met have inspired me to stay positive.

0:42:110:42:15

'And that's not always easy for me.'

0:42:150:42:17

I'm ending my journey back where it began,

0:42:190:42:22

at the central station in Hull.

0:42:220:42:25

A great city, of commerce, of culture,

0:42:250:42:30

a poetic city.

0:42:300:42:31

So, here I am standing in front of a statue which I unveiled

0:42:310:42:36

of the poet Philip Larkin, who famously lived in Hull.

0:42:360:42:40

Prince of negativity.

0:42:400:42:41

He wrote a poem called The Old Fools, in which he said...

0:42:430:42:47

"What do they think has happened to make them like this?

0:42:490:42:53

"Why aren't they screaming?"

0:42:530:42:56

Well, I think we've shown that the people of Hull are not screaming...

0:42:560:43:02

..they're having fun, they're being sociable and adventurous,

0:43:040:43:08

and full of humour.

0:43:080:43:10

They're living.

0:43:100:43:13

So there!

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# It's happy hour again

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# I think I might be happy if I wasn't out with them

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# And they're happy, it's a lovely place to be

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# Happy that the fire is real, the barman is a she

0:43:230:43:27

# Where the haircuts smile And the meaning of style

0:43:270:43:30

# Is a night out with the boss

0:43:300:43:32

# Where you win or you lose And it's them who choose

0:43:320:43:35

# And if you don't win then you've lost

0:43:350:43:38

# What a good place to be... #

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