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This is Business Live from BBC News with and Aaron Heslehurst

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tells the BBC of his fears for public debate and globalisation

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because of fake news and extremist views.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Friday

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Mark Zuckerberg has been talking to us about his worries that that

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millions are being left behind by global growth which is leading

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them to "withdraw" from the "connected world".

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The boss of one of the world's biggest companies, Samsung,

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And as always we'll bring you the latest on the markets which

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for now are taking a bit of a breather

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And we'll be getting the inside track on the talks

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between France's PSA and General Motors which could

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create Europe's second biggest carmaker and all the other big

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business stories of the week with our Business Editor, Simon Jack.

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Fear the global market rally will end is driving some

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to pour their money into wine, but if you invest would you have

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There is only one thing to do with wine!

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The founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerburg, has told the BBC

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he fears millions of people are withdrawing from the globally

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connected world and that fake news and the propagation of extremist

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views online have damaged public debate.

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It's an intervention for the social media billionaire.

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Mr Zuckerberg has revealed deep seated concerns that the tide

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is turning against globalisation, a concept facing increasing amount

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He said people had been left behind by global growth and the rapid

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changes the world has seen which have increased

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He believes it had led to millions of people to demand to "withdraw"

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from what he described as the "connected world".

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And in a call to action, Mr Zuckerberg said that people

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shouldn't just "sit around and be upset" but should act to build

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His interview comes alongside the publication of a 5,500 word

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manifesto he has written about the future of Facebook

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Economics Editor Kamal Ahmed has been speaking to Mark Zuckerberg.

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Interesting that he is saying he is concerned about the rise of

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extremist views and fake news but many have blamed Facebook for that.

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And he is holding up his hands. To an extent. I think he believes fake

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news will be controlled other uses of Facebook and other social media

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platforms. He is not a man who was about banning things. He wants to

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put in control so people can decide they don't want to read things that

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might be considered or are fake news. And he does admit that social

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media platforms have been at least in part to blame for fake news and

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for what he calls this polarisation of opinions. This very aggressive

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environment many of us find ourselves in where you are attacked

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for your opinions, it is not a discussion but an argument. And he

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admits that the way that social media works with short form

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arguments and aggressive environments has been a problem and

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he wants to look at that as an issue. It is a very long document

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setting out the future for Facebook. Do you think this is a manifesto for

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Mark Zuckerberg to enter politics? I don't think so, he said to me did

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not want to be up and audition but it certainly is political. -- he did

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not want to be a politician. I think the boundary between politics and

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business is more for the now than in the past and Facebook is one of the

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most influential cultural phenomena. It matters about what we buy, who we

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talked to come what we seek so its role is political. Whatever you

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think of is political. Whatever you think of it opinions, he is one of

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the few people who actually believes he has to have a role in this debate

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about politics and where the world is going and he is willing to have

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it and I can't imagine many other chief executives who would sit down

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and write 5000 words with a degree of code in you agree or not with it,

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but at least he is doing it. He is a rich man and they have had

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controversies over fake news and privity and taxes paid and he did

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not deal with those in this document, but at least he has an

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argument and he puts it out there and you can agree or not. I don't

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use Facebook, but we cover the stories and the numbers and they

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added another 235 million last year. It is an incredibly profitable

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business. They have learned how to monetise it. But has it changed the

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world we live in? Certainly, yes. In terms of not just Facebook but many

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social media platforms, they have definitely changed. But

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connectedness, the notion of did it help or lead to the Arab Spring,

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four example? Social movements, the fact that many countries that were

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not open in the past have been made more open by the arrival of Facebook

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and more generally, the Internet. They have had an effect but where we

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are still struggling is what is the political role of these

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organisations and what legitimacy do their leaders have in telling us

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where we should be going? Nobody voted for Mark Zuckerberg. People

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voted for Donald Trump, for Brexit in the UK, and I think that is where

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the clash is. He has at least put out a manifesto about where he wants

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to go and it is for others to agree or disagree with that. How did you

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talk to him? On the phone, even to me, hello, it's Mark! And you didn't

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recorded?! It wasn't for broadcast. He called you! Wow!

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is in custody in South Korea. biggest companies, Samsung,

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Lee Jae-yong has been placed under arrest accused

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It's part of a long running corruption scandal which has led

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to the impeachment of President Park and has now raised serious questions

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about the leadership and direction of a company worth about 20%

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Sharanjit Leyl is in our Asia Business Hub in Singapore.

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Can I ask you, how much will this stick? Correct me if I'm wrong but

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his father was also arrested in the past but there have always been

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suspended sentences? It's not the first up we have seen a big South

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Korean conglomerate in trouble like this and I know we have been

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reporting this a lot over the last week but it is also important to

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stress that Mr Lee's arrest does not reflect a court opinion on guilt or

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innocence. It is a potentially serious crime, and it assumes a

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flight risk. Bearing in mind it does not mean any guilt at the moment. We

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have been reporting this case which is linked to the impeachment of the

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president of South Korea, President Park. Prosecutors are accusing Mr

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Lee of giving donations to organisations linked to a close

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friend of the president. This is when it started and they alleged

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this was done to win government support for a big restructuring of

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Samsung that helped create a smooth transition of leadership in favour

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of Mr Lee who is standing in as chairman for his ill father who you

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mentioned. Mr Lee and the Samsung group deny any wrongdoing. He is

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being -- and he has been questioned before but prosecutors decided not

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to arrest him. He has now been questioned for a second time and was

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arrested today after the court acknowledged that it was necessary,

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in light of a lot of newly added criminal charges and evidence that

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come light. So the boss is behind bars but what direction now for the

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company? It is going to be difficult for them to continue in this

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situation. Indeed it is. In the near term, the prosecution has about 20

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days to file formal charges and Natalie this is not having a good

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impact on Samsung shares which fell by about 0.4% today although the

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broader Korean index ended flat. And the reason that is so much interest

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in this story globally is because Samsung is one of the world's

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biggest Tektronix companies and for the head of the company that thrives

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on up premium brand image to be involved in a corruption scandal

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causes a huge embarrassment -- biggest electronic companies. Mr Lee

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is vice-chairman of the company but since his father suffered a heart

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defect in 2014 he is considered as defect in 2014 he is considered as

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the de facto boss of the entire conglomerate and with his future in

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doubt, the company might have to scrambled to find a suitable

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replacement if his arrest today leads to him possibly being jailed

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in the long-term. Thank you for the update and have a great weekend.

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Toshiba shares have tumbled another 10%.

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It reflects the continuing uncertainty over the future of the

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company. They had to reveal the site of the write-down of its US

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business. The share price is now about 60% lower than what it was at

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the end of December when the problems were first revealed. The

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company may have to be removed from the Tokyo stock exchange and taken

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over by the Japanese government. Hanjin Shipping used to be

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one of the world's top But now it faces the final curtain,

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as Hanjin heads to a court in Seoul, The company sought protection

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in August last year, after creditors refused to rollover

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debts which surpassed A slowdown in the global economy,

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and trade were cited as the main Let's look at some of

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the numbers in Asia, stocks are taking a breather

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from that recent rally. You know, for the markets of late

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it's been Trump on - The dollar's inched higher and we've

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got quite a bit of optimism over possible renewed supply cuts by

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Opec, and that's lifted oil prices. Europe is also likely

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to stop and breathe today, as well as investors taking a little

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money off the table, cashing in a bit and taking some

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of those profits. OK, let's find out what'll

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be making the business Wall Street heads into the close

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of the week still gripped by the political drama playing

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out in Washington, DC. On Friday, it is expected that

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President Trump's choice to lead the Environmental Protection Agency,

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Scott Pruitt, will be But opposition to Mr Pruitt

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as the chief environmental regulator has been fierce,

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not least because of his stated scepticism about the extent

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to which humans have His position as one

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of the government's lead regulators will have big implications

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for many businesses. Meanwhile, the Trump

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administration's desire for fewer regulations and more infrastructure

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work is already expected to have boosted demand at the farm machinery

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maker Deere Company. Deere reports earnings before

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the markets open, and shares have risen more than 22%

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since the election. Joining us is Richard Fletcher,

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the Business Editor from The Times. Sorry to interrupt you! Let's talk

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about this stutter in the global rally. Why do you think it is? Have

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investors been too optimistic? They seem to be pausing after a great

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start to the week with all of the four major indices in the US all

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closing for four convicted of days, a feat last achieved in 1995 so a

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good start to the week. It seems there has been a bit of a pause with

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the Dow Jones eking out a slight gains last night but the other

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disease were down. We will get these promised tax cuts from President

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Trump. -- the other indices. Even if they will be phenomenal! That might

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push the market higher but there seems to be a pause at the moment.

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We were talking about Han Jin-soo pink, that is a big story and it

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reflects global demand -- we were talking about Hanjin shipping.

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People look at that about global trade and we had positive data in

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Asia at the start of the week would help send equity market higher so

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the picture is still slightly confused and people will have to get

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used to a president who will spend 75 minutes on a combative press,

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but! You will take us through the papers when you come back and we are

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going to start investing in wine and do you have the willpower not to

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drink your investment? I think you are in the same boat as me! I am

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sure of it. Still to come, we get the inside track on what could be

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your's mega motor merger of the year.

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The UK can be shielded from some of the worst excesses of global food

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price swings if it produces more of its own food.

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New research reveals that only 52% of food eaten in the UK

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comes from British farmers, and Britain must become more

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self-sufficient in food production and build up a stronger local food

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sector in the face of global uncertainties.

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Our business reporter Sean Farrington is at

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I don't know what you are handling, and aubergine? Where is it from? A

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stripey aubergine from Italy. A pak choi. 95% of this thread is from

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Italy and three quarters of the fruit and veg we get in the UK is

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imported. We grow more of our food when it comes to milk, eggs, dairy

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and meat. But in the UK, are we up for growing more here and

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potentially having to pay more for it? Adam Leyland is editor of the

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Grocer magazine. Your readers and customers, are they up for it? Of

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course. And they do buy it. For example, strawberries today, for ten

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months of the year, you can buy British strawberries. So where it is

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possible and practical, where there is not too much of an excessive

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cost, of course they are. But it has to be within reason. You can't

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expect consumers to suddenly turn off the switch and say, we no longer

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want to buy salad and courgettes and that Mediterranean diet all year

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round. That is no more realistic than saying we will turn off

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Facebook and social media because of fake news. It is here, we love it

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and it is the supermarket's job to deliver it. Just to update you on

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lettuce, I spotted a few earlier, so they are back in stock. But it is a

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difficult question for supermarkets to answer. Do they go first and

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start asking for more British produce, or does it take customers

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to ask for them first? Are we going to get a nice tomato like this being

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grown in the UK in the middle of the winter? Probably not. Sean, some

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would say the supermarkets might ask for locally produced stuff, but they

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have to stop screwing the farmers. Farmers have a lot of questions,

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yeah. Facebook founder Mark Soderberg

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tells the BBC that his fears for public debate and globalisation

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because of fake news and extremist views -- Mark Zuckerberg. The boss

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of Samsung has been arrested in South Korea over a wide-ranging

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corruption scandal. A quick look at how

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markets are faring.... Some businesses are cashing in on

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taking their money off the table. I am not sure if those figures are

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right! I don't believe they are correct, so let's get rid of them.

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And now let's get the inside track - PSA Group, maker of Peugeot

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and Citroen cars, is in talks to acquire General Motors'

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European business in a deal that would transform

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We're now joined by our business editor Simon Jack

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I think those market boards are wrong too. Let's talk about this

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deal. It is huge, but there is concern that it will lead to a loss

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of jobs in the UK. And that is concentrating minds in Westminster.

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Probably not just the UK. This is a fast-moving deal which caught us all

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on the hop. And you tonight, we got an announcement from General Motors

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that they were in talks with PSA, which owns Citroen and Peugeot, to

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look at options which might include selling the whole lot of them. And

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it became clear that that was the real thing. You had the president

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and chief executive of General Motors flying to Germany and enter

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the UK to meet unions and politicians in both countries. You

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don't do that unless you mean business. In this country, we have

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two macro. Citroen and Peugeot have 14 plants in Europe. Opel are known

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as Vauxhall here. They have eight in Europe and two in the UK.

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Altogether, you have 24 plants, which is too many. Everyone thinks

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there is massive overcapacity in the European car manufacturing market.

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So some are going to go. Add to that the fact that the new boss of

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Peugeot Citroen is a famous cost cutter who slashes and burns, and

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you have plants all over Europe thinking, are we safe here? You

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Brits are very efficient at producing cars. They are going to

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look at efficiency. Do you do better at making cars here than Italy?

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There are lots of different measures. GM has been losing money

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in Europe generally and in the UK for years. They have lost something

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like $15 billion in Europe since 2000. Last year, they would have

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made money in the UK, had it not been for the fall in sterling, which

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meant some of the imported parts were more expensive and the money

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they made from car sales in the UK were lower because of the weakness

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in the pound. There will be a massive scramble. The car industry

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is always such a political fight. You are going to have the French,

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German and UK governments scrambling to protect jobs. But in that fight,

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there is a handicap because the French government is a 14% owner of

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Peugeot Citroen. The Peugeot family is a 14% owner of Peugeot Citroen,

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some two French entities own 30% between them. Show France is going

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to win. The odds are stacked in their favour. Greg Clark is the

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Business Minister in the UK, and he is going to have to turn on the

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charm as he did with Nissan to get them to stay in the UK. Thanks,

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Simon Jack. Nearly 4 billion passengers took

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to the skies last year and the airline industry expects

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that number to double over No wonder taxing passengers is seen

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as an easy way for hard-pressed But in the latest of

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our interviews looking at the health of the airline

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industry, the head of the body representing European airlines told

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the BBC that imposing passenger It's good money for the government,

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but what you've seen as a direct impact is that passengers have

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started moving to other airports. In the case of Schiphol

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in Amsterdam, passengers have See you see a migration or a move

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away from those airports where this additional aviation tax or air tax

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is being implemented. So it's really only short-term

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gains for government. In Holland in 2009,

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they realised the economic damage because of less passengers

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and less income was really affecting the Dutch economy

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as a whole, interestingly enough. So the Dutch government

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abolished the passenger tax and within one year,

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the economic benefits Today, Schiphol is a very

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successful airport. They abolished it, and it has more

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economic benefit and hence also to the government,

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because more economic activity means more tax revenue

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for the government anyway, So we've been able to show

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in a number of countries that it's actually more damaging than anything

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else, and mid to long term, is more damaging for the economic

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impact and hence for government tax revenue, having a tax rather

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than not having a tax. What other business

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stories has the media been Richard is back. We noticed this

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story. Have you ever invested in it? No, but my father bought me a bottle

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of one this Christmas and said not to drink it for two years. Last

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night, I was thinking I might have to drink it. We will see whether I

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have the patience. There is much more in interest in wine as an

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investment because there was a belief that maybe the global rally

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is nearing an end. Do you think wine would be a good investment?

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Obviously, there are lots of investors at one funds saying what a

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great investment it is. These alternative investments always have

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a slightly patchy record. For a few years, they have a terrible year and

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had lots of Chinese investors pushing up the prices. But investors

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are looking at whether this is an alternative to the other safe stores

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of value like gold etc, where people put money when they are not sure

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about putting it into equity markets. But they do have a patchy

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record. They are not one for the amateur investor or the drinker.

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Don't point at me! Another area where people are putting their money

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is in voice-activated technology. Google homes is taking a swipe at

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Amazon. Absolutely. Anyone who has ever used the Alexa service on

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Amazon will recognise this. You can have a device in your home like

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Alexei when you say, order me some paper towels, Google, and I will

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order you some paper towels after telling universe. The idea is that

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the web will move to voice command. We have moved away from desktop

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computers. Most people now use iPads or phones. The idea is that next, we

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move to voice command. If you come round to my house, you can order the

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wine. Do you have one? We played with one. We only used it to ask it

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jokes. Richard, always a pleasure. Have a great weekend. Wrap it up,

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Susannah. You have been watching business life.

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There will be more business news throughout the day on the BBC Live

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webpage and on World Business Report.

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If you have been enjoying this step toward something milder and more

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springlike, that continues all the way through the weekend and into the

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start of the next week before things turn cooler again. This morning, we

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have air coming in off the Atlantic, bringing quite a bit of cloud. The

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thicker cloud extends from Scotland, Northern Ireland the Midlands and

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the south-east. It has some rain and drizzle on it. Either side of it, a

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chilly start. Some mist and fog around here. But here is where we

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see the best of the day's sunshine. There will still be cloud here

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during the day. Some rain and drizzle, especially towards the

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West. Breeze in Northern Ireland. Foremost, a light wind. For most, it

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feel pleasant. Best favoured around parts of East Devon Somerset and

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eastern parts of Scotland. Tonight, we continue with temperatures above

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where they should be for the time of year. It will be cooler in East

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Anglia and the south-east. The rain will clear Northern Ireland quickly

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on Saturday morning. A wet start in Scotland. Eastern Scotland stays

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dry. West of Scotland will brighten up later. In north-west Wales, after

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a bright start of the day, it turns cloudy, with outbreaks of rain. If

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you isolated spots of light rain. Temperatures will be well into

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double figures for most of you. We keep the westerly flow as we go

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overnight. Some spots of rain or drizzle from the club. Many will

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have a dry day on Sunday. We could have something even milder on Sunday

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night into Monday. We will see heavy bursts of rain developed across the

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north and west of Scotland. Patchy rain and drizzle across other parts

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of the UK. But with some breaks in the cloud and sunshine to the east

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of Wales and across eastern parts of England, this is where we could see

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temperatures on Monday afternoon which the mid-teens, maybe as high

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as 17 Celsius.

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