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This is Business Live from BBC News with Sally Bundock and Ben Bland.

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Hopes of a European mega exchange between London

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The London Stock Exchange says the regulatory hurdles are too high.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Monday 27th February.

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Doubts about the $30 billion merger plan come as a top German banker

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tells the BBC that leaving the European Union is not the reason for

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penalising the City of London. Also in the programme:

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Ringing a familiar tune. The Nokia 3310 makes a comeback

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but will help its new makers stand out from the crowd at one

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of the mobile phone This is how the European markets

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begin the trading week. In positive territory. We will talk about what

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will move them later in the week later in the programme. We are

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joined by a French entrepreneur described as a rock star in the

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world of proud funding. She will reveal to us her latest plans

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shortly. And the winner is... La La Land. Moonlight? Sort out the

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autocue! What a night. What is your Warren Beatty moment? Get in touch.

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One of Europe's biggest mergers looks like it is off.

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The London Stock Exchange and its German rival

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the Deutsche Boerse say their coming together is unlikely to be approved

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The merger was supposed to be worth just over $30 billion and would have

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created a giant trading powerhouse that would better compete

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When they announced the deal last year the two companies said together

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they should be able to make cost savings of $475 million a year,

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about 20% of the combined group's operating costs.

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They had already agreed to sell part of LSE's clearing business, LCH,

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to satisfy concerns from European competition regulators

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for the merger to go ahead the LSE would have

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to sell its 60% stake in MTS, a major platform for trading

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European government bonds, something the LSE dismissed

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And with Brexit on the horizon questions about whether to put

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the headquarters in Germany or London hung over the deal anyway.

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To get more insight into this, we are joined by our economics editor,

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Kamal Ahmed. It seems like LSE and Kamal Ahmed. It seems like LSE and

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Deutsche Boerse will not make it down the aisle. It just shows how

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much regulatory controls are important when it comes to these

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major deals. This all feeds into the Brexit issues. This is not actually

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directly to do with Brexit but nevertheless it does show how

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important the regulatory voices can be in the debate as Britain makes

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their way out of the European Union. We tend to focus on the politics for

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obvious reasons but there are huge and conjugated rule books that need

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to be unwound. I spoke to the executive director of the

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Bundesbank, and the central banks in Europe will have an important role

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in how Britain leads the European Union. He was talking about the City

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and threats to the City and threats to the European Union financial

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sectors. I kicked off by asking him what the risks were and he said they

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were two-way, and there was a risk to employment in the United Kingdom.

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There will be some job losses but that doesn't mean that London will

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lose its very eminent position as the financial centre in Europe. From

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a German perspective, should a business be looking to move to

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Germany, we would not accept empty shelves, we would not accept a

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letterbox companies. We will make sure that the management, the

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controlling, the risk control etc, is done out of Germany. That doesn't

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mean that we couldn't have back-to-back booking models but dual

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structures and all the like is not something we would give. He is very

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senior in Germany in banking. Interesting that you should have a

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chat with him at this time when we are expecting Article 50 to be

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triggered, as early as March the 9th according to some reports.

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Regardless of when it is triggered, the issue of the City of London and

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its relationship with the rest of Europe, that has been one of the

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main issues. That will be the main concern not just for businesses in

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London and banks in London, but also businesses and banks on the European

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continent because London has very deep capital markets and it is very

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important for providing funding to European Union businesses and

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governments, let's not forget. I think he was making it clear that

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although Britain wouldn't be penalised for leaving the EU, there

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will be risks. The Bundesbank has put up on its own website and area

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of information for banks looking to move to Frankfurt. He said it wasn't

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an advert, but boy, it feeds that idea, which a number of UK banks

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have already said they are looking at, that jobs will have to move in

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the area of foreign exchange in particular. That is called Euro

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clearing. That will have to move on to the European continent and there

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will be some job losses but the Bundesbank director has made it

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clear that London will remain the financial centre for the whole of

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the European Union. Thank you. Much the European Union. Thank you. Much

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more on that and that interview on our website. Now some other news.

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US billionaire Warren Buffett has backed American

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businesses to continue to create mind-boggling wealth.

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The investment guru, known as the Sage of Omaha,

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said stocks were virtually certain to be worth far more

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US markets are currently trading at record highs.

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Profits at private Australian companies showed an increase of 20%

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It's a big boost for the economy and is the highest jump in operating

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profits for that time of year in 17 years.

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Higher prices for raw materials meant that mining companies

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Later in the week Australia is due to release its latest growth

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figures after the suprise contraction of 0.5% in the third

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Google's voice-activated digital assistant will soon be available

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on smartphones running the latest versions of the Android

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Until now, Google Assistant had only been available on the firm's

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The service, like Siri on iPhones, allows users to interact

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The company says that the software update would bring Google Assistant

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to hundreds of millions of new users.

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The main opposition party in South Korea,

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the Democratic Party, has said it's working with others

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to seek the impeachment of the Prime Minister,

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Hwang Kyo-ahn, after he decided not to extend an investigation

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That scandal has amongst others seen the head of the biggest company in

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the country, Samsung, arrested. This corruption scandal gets bigger and

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bigger. It does. And this week we will see a culmination, I think,

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when we see the indictment of some very senior figures, the formal

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indictment. Probably including the acting head of Samsung. J Wiley is

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currently under arrest but he will probably face a formal charge to be

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outed in a court of law about allegations that some sun gave money

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in return for favours from the government. -- Samsung. There is a

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debate going on but it is mainly to do with the way government and

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businesses are to close in this country. Thank you. We can check on

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the Asian markets now. Asian markets moved lower,

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led by financial stocks. Also the yen strengthened

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against the dollar putting downward pressure

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on the Nikkei. A stronger yen hurts Japanese shares

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because it makes Japanese exports Later in the week, looking slightly

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further ahead, we get the latest German employment figures and EU

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leaders will meet for informal trade talks in Malta and the advertising

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giant WPP will publish its full-year results towards the end of the week.

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The other thing that may affect market investors all around the

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world, will be looking ahead to the US President Donald Trump's speech

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to US Congress about promised tax cuts and infrastructure spending.

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The Mir Hussein has all the details about what is ahead on Wall Street.

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Happening this week in the US, the President of the United States will

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be addressing a joint session of Congress. This is a chance for Mr

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Trump to speak directly to the American people and to really

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outline his vision for the coming year. We can expect that the

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President will likely be talking about things like the US economy and

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jobs. Before we hear from the President on Tuesday, we will be

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getting the latest snapshot of the American economy in terms of its

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gross domestic product, GDP. And also happening this week on

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Thursday, it could be the biggest tech IPO since Facebook. That is

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when Snap, the parent company of Snapchat, the online messaging

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service, will start trading at a publicly traded company on the New

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York Stock Exchange. A look ahead to what is going on in the United

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States. Quite a busy week, as ever. Joining us is Trevor Greetham,

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head of multi asset Before we get into this week, what

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about this Deutsche Boerse and London Stock Exchange story? It is

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not official yet but rumours are rife and the LSE is saying that the

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sale is not likely and shares are falling. This merger was mooted

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months before the Brexit float and both parties at that time thought it

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was certain that we would vote to remain and we would be heading

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towards capital markets union. So clearly it is choppy waters and it

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is not a huge surprise that they are saying what they are saying. Can you

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give more on that story about Warren Buffitt, who is saying that he

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thinks stocks are certain to be worth far more in the years ahead?

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That suggests that we will see more record highs. Can they? Will we

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eventually be corrected? There are two different things. In the very

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long run, stocks tend to do better than all other asset classes, which

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is what Warren is referring to. In the short run, the markets have

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surged since the US presidential election but the world economy was

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starting to recover before that vote anyway. It has been supercharged by

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promises of stimulus and the real question is whether we will get them

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in the big speech tomorrow. Let's talk about that President Trump

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speech tomorrow, which is highly anticipated. Will he deliver on tax

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cuts and massive infrastructure spending and if he does and what

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happens to the share market? -- if he doesn't. I think he will deliver

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but what will be frustrating is how he does it. Will there be an

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increase in spending or will it be robbing Peter to pay Paul? He talked

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about ramping up defence spending but taking tens of billions of

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pounds away from the environment protection agency, and I think that

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would be a big mistake. What about the tax cuts? I think they will be

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coming but they are much slower and the question is whether the markets

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are patient enough to wait for the details. We may get a situation

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where the markets have a bit of a correction over the summer, which is

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quite normal, waiting for evidence. At the moment we are keeping the

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balls in the air, at that stage, and the US data is still strong. People

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are worried about US politics, French politics, and the Mac pro and

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the earnings data keep coming in strong. -- macro. Thank you. Still

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to come: Beating the drum for crowdfunding, we will meet the woman

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described as a rock star in the skill of raising money from the

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masses. This is Business Live from BBC News.

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Trinity Mirror has posted its full year preliminary results.

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the largest British newspaper, magazine and digital publisher

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with national and regional newspaper titles including the Daily Mirror,

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the Daily Record, and the Sunday Mail.

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Nice to see you, Michael. Give us your take on these numbers. They are

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better than expected. Yes, profits and revenues are up. The numbers

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don't disguise the fact that print volumes, in terms of circulation,

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are dropping sharply. Print revenue has increased but that is largely as

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a result of increasing costs. And also an increase in advertising

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revenue. What is clear is that digital is becoming a much bigger

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part of the company's overall strategy, certainly in terms of

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views, digital revenue is up quite sharply. The chief executive of

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Trinity Mirror, interviewed about Express newspapers, and whether they

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will buy them or not. Yes, and that highlights the pressures that print

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media is under. Simon Cox was contemplating speaking to Richard

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Desmond about this and I think that is the way to go. We will get much

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more consolidation, I think, within the newspaper network. Certainly

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given the fact that circulation, print circulation, is continuing to

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decline. Michael, we're asking our viewers

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this morning what their Warren Beatty moment is after that stumble

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at the Oscars. Have you ever had a Warren Beatty moment? I've had

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plenty of Warren Beatty moments when I've been doing live

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presentationsment none of them stand out. They're all equally as

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embarrassing. A very diplomatic answer!

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I was trying to find a red envelope earlier. I couldn't find one for

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love nor money. Shares in the big car insurers today in London are

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tumbling. That's on a decision made to change the way personal injury

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claims are calculated so Admiral Group shares down. Directline down

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7%. AA down some 3%. If you don't know about the changes, do take a

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look at our website. There is more detail about the personal injury

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changes that are coming. Our top story, a $30 billion merger

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between the London Stock Exchange and Germany's Deutsche Boerse

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appears on the verge of collapse after the LSE said the deal

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was unlikely to be approved A quick look at how

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markets are faring. It is a new trading week. All of

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them are headed higher, only a little bit.

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Our next guest has been described as being something of a "financial

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rock star" in the crowd-funding world having accomplished two major

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Leetchi is an online fundraising platform that allows anyone

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You can invite others to help finance creative projects and raise

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It has over seven million users in 150 countries,

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and helped raise more than $425 million in 2016.

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Mangopay is an online paglobal payment technology

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designed for marketplaces, crowd-funding platforms

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Mangopay launched in 2013 and it has over ten million users worldwide.

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It creates e-wallets for buyers and sellers,

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enabling funds to be held securely and for as long as necessary.

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Shall we introduce the rock star, sell lean who is here with us who

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has pretty much created those two companies.

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Welcome to the programme. Is it a big pressure to be described as a

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rock star? I hate to put lots of pressure on you, many would argue it

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is a worthy description because you are now 33... 34. 34 and yet you've

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created these two companies and some time ago, you started this at a very

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young age, both of which are very successful and disrupting? Yeah,

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true. I like to describe myself as an entrepreneur. I had the chance to

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create both businesses, first the crowdfunding and Mangopay. The idea

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behind Mangopay is because I run my first company and I realised there

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wasn't any payment solution dedicated to market places and

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crowdfunding and that's why I created Mangopay. I see myself as a

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creative person and I can't stop creating a new business and then

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Mangopay was born. Many entrepreneurs will think, "I've got

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the ideas. I've got that area where I want to move into." It is one

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thing having an idea and it is other thing making it happen and them

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being successful? I remember seeing when you dream, when you try and

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when you work then nothing can have limits. So you just have to create

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and work hard. So with the Mangopay, how does it work? If I wanted, I

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came up with a brilliant business idea that everyone is going to want

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me to help get off the ground and fund. How does Mangopay help me?

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Well, Mangopay is a business solution. So we only work for

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business. So for example we work with 1500 platforms in Europe. For

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example, if you want to create a fund-raising venture. Lucy Watson is

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doing it. The technology for the payments, so collecting the payment

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and then paying out is done by Mangopay. There are many

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crowdfunding websites out there. Kickstarter and many of them

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extremely well-known. I hadn't heard of your's until I realised you were

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coming on the programme. How do you manage to stand out? Yeah, in the

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prospective of Mangopay as it is a business solution so we are known by

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our customers because there is not a lot of technology. So it's more

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about the quality of the product. We have been launched less than four

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years ago and for example in 2017 we're going to do one billion

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transactions. What about Leechi? Because of the word of mouth. Lucy

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Watson is collecting online and then she invites followers to join the

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money pot and then they create a new money pot in the next week and the

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next months. So that's how we came to have more than seven million

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users. Briefly, the Guardian's business pages today reporting a lot

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of London based financial tech companies are eyeing up alternative

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options in Europe because of Brexit. Is that your experience or do you

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think that's overblowing the effect of Brexit? Well, in our prospective

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we are doing 20% of our turnover in the UK market. So the UK market is

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really important for us. So we will figure out if the passporting is

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still live and then we will still work the way we do and if not, we

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will apply for our own licence on the UK market because it's a really

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important market for us. 25% of the finance is done here. So it's an

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important market. Thank you for coming in. We have to

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move on. Nokia used to be synonymous

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with the mobile phone and HMD the company which recently bought

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the rights to the Nokia brand, is hoping a blast from the past

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will restore the company back Rory Cellan-Jones sent us this

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report from the Mobile World It's back. It has been reborn by the

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new owners of the Nokia brand. But if Nokia is to make a huge comeback,

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it's not going to be this that's going to do it. It's going to be a

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smartphone called the Nokia 6 and with me is the Chief Executive of

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HMD which is bringing back the two brands. Is it that's the future or

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is it that? It is absolutely our smartphone is the future. This is

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where we are putting our efforts and we are thriving together with our

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partners. It's not that small. There are people who like to use this

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instead of smartphone. It's always going down slowly, and that's why we

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are focussing on smartphones. There was a lot of affection for that,

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though, was there? For sure, there is a lot of interest and a lot of

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media and that's serving, this announcement that now we are trying

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the next chapter of Nokia. Isn't the danger that you're sending out a

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nostalgic one about an old phone rather than a future phone? This is

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fun and entertaining. This is making a clear statement. Nokia, this is

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our story and this will be announced everywhere and our partners, more

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than 500 partners globally have decided to try the next cap ter of

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Nokia. More than 120 countries. It brings back memories that.

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The thing that will dominate is the Oscars and that Warren Beatty

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moment. It is part of their whole marketing. We're trusted do the

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Oscars and there is never a mistake, well, there has been now, but there

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have been a couple before. The two people who do are the chairman of

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the US business and he is on the goble board of PWC, the other person

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is a text woman at PWC. They have put out a message saying they are

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very sorry, viewers and members of the Academy for handing over the

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wrong envelope. This article that was published a couple of days ago,

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what would happen if a presenter announced the wrong winner at the

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Oscars? We don't know what arrangement is because it never

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happened before. Now we do. It is a shambles! That's the answer. They

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didn't really prepare for failure. We asked you what's your Warren

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Beatty moment. A viewer says, "It was to tell us that the humans have

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seven ages of life and Warren Beatty's is in his last age." Is

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that a little bit harsh? Recently I was reading out a bulletin and I was

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doing the markets, there was no Dow Jones number there. You pause. Did

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you make it up? I made tip, but I was within 100 points. 20,000 and

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something? 20,000! Nicely covered. If we don't start

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