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Colonel Gaddafi's last foreign minister claims British spies had

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links with the regime just days before the uprising. Abdul Ati Al-

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Obeidi, now imprisoned by opposition forces, tells the BBC

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MI6 agents visited Tripoli. Where MI6 still here in January and

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February of this year? Yes. baby trial that could show whether

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MI6 was involved in the illegal transfer of terror suspects to

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Libya. My concern has been to remove any stain on Britain's

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reputation and to deal with these accusations of malpractice, so as

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to enable our security services to get on with the vital work that

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they do. We will be asking whether the latest allegations will affect

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relations with the new Libya. The worst growth figures in 10

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years for Britain's shops and services. A survey sparks new fears

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for the economic recovery. The first batch of free schools

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open up their classrooms, but critics say pushy parents will grab

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all the places. Is England's green and pleasant

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land really in trouble? George Osborne gets involved in the

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planning row. Sir Alec Guinness made the part his

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own. Now Gary Oldman plays George Smiley in a remake of Tinker,

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Tailor, Soldier, Spy. I think it is a little sexier. A little crawler.

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-- more cruel. There is a sadistic side to George.

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And on the BBC News Channel I will have all of the sports news ahead

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of the euro qualifiers tomorrow and a warning for Andy Carroll from

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Good evening. David Cameron says claims that Britain's intelligence

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services were involved in the illegal transfer of prisoners to

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Libya will be checked out by an independent inquiry. The Libyan

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foreign minister tells the BBC that links between the two countries

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continued just days before the uprising began in February. Abdul

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Ati Al-Obeidi, now in custody, has been speaking to Jeremy Bowen in

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Tripoli. Libya was an important ally for

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Britain and America after Colonel Gaddafi agreed to give up weapons

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of mass destruction in 2003. But the documents found in Tripoli

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suggest that in their eagerness to get his help in fighting the war on

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terror, MI6 and the CIA were embarrassingly close to the Colonel

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and his regime. The British embassy in Tripoli was

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looted in May by a regime that felt betrayed, but it had been the

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centre of an unlikely friendship. This place became a bridgehead in a

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land of opportunity. Libya was good for business, and it was good for

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security. All of that changed very quickly and by the time a regime

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mob came to attack the building during the NATO bombing campaign,

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the businessmen and the diplomats and the spies were long gone. Abdul

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Ati Al-Obeidi was Colonel Gaddafi's last foreign minister. He is now a

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prisoner. He confirmed that Britain's spies were here, working

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with the regime, until revolution. We are MI6 still here in January

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and February of this year? Yeah. One were they doing? -- what were

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Abdul Hakim Belhadj, military commander of Tripoli, is at the

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centre of the row about the documents now kept at his

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headquarters. The allegation is that MI6 joined the CIA in

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illegally returning him to Tripoli, when he was a suspected Al-Qaeda

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ally. The key documents, seen by the BBC, are memos from MI6 dated

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March 18th, 2004, and headed for the urgent personal attention of

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Moussa Koussa. He ran Libya's police state. In it, MI6 is eager

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to claim a key role in Mr Belhadj's rendition. They say it is the least

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they can do for you and Libya, to demonstrate the remarkable

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relationship they have built over recent years. The document is

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signed with the letter M. That was Mark Allen, head of counter-

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terrorism at MI6. Now he is with BP, which won a huge contract with

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Libya in 2007. How important was Mark Allen in relations with Libya

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and Britain? He was very important So he was really involved in all

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sides of the diagram? Yes. What is he like? I don't know him. What do

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you expect? Intelligence, or spy to be. Tripoli has a new start without

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Colonel Gaddafi, but when he was the West's friend, that could still

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stay in Britain and America. The last revenge on countries that

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became his enemies. David Cameron said the latest

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allegations about Britain's involvement in the transfer of

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terror suspects was this -- significant, but he warned against

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any rush to judgment. The inquiry will be carried out by Peter Gibson.

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The retired judge is already inquiring whether the UK was

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involved in the his treatment of detainees overseas. Did British

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intelligence get too close to the Libyan counterpart? David Cameron

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said the allegations were significant and should be

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investigated. He also reminded MPs that in 2003, two years after 9/11,

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there were terrorist groups in Libya allied to Al-Qaeda.

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intelligence services are trying to work for the good of the country to

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keep us safe. It is very important to remember the circumstances at

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the time. Britain should never be complicit in torture and

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extraordinary rendition and we should make sure that is the case.

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Labour in Government, he said, were right to get close to Libya but to

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gullible. The Foreign Secretary at the time said the allegations were

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serious. It was a consistent policy of the previous Government and his

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to be opposed to any complicity in torture, ill-treatment, unlawful

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rendition. But given the serious nature of these allegations it is

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entirely right that they should be examined in every detail. The task

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of going through the secret documents found in Tripoli at the

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weekend will fall to an existing inquiry, led by Sir Peter Gibson,

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which is already looking at allegations that terror suspects

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were mistreated abroad. Rendition is effectively the unlawful kidnap

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of people, carrying them across borders and putting them into

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jurisdictions where it is known perfectly well they will be

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mistreated. The British Government also condemns that, which is why it

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would be so serious if it turned out that agencies answerable to the

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British Government had been engaging in that sort of behaviour.

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The Government is treading a fine line. David Cameron said that

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allegations of torture should be condemned and investigated, but

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equally his officials accept that when fighting terrorism, sometimes

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Britain has to deal with regimes that do not share its values. So

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what MI6 new and it has to be investigated but it is not clear

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tonight when that inquiry will start.

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Let's go back to our Middle East Editor in Tripoli. How will the

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latest allegations, including the ones made in your report, affect

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relations between the two countries, do you think? Before I get on to

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that, I need to say that we have approached the Foreign Office and

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Mark Allen, and neither would comment on what was said. As for

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the Libyans, well, I was in Abdul Hakim Belhadj's headquarters today,

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the man at the centre of all of this. They were following what

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happened in London very closely. They were interested in what David

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Cameron had to say. At his celebratory fire, by the way,

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nothing sinister. -- that his celebratory fire. They were

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interested in what he had to save and they were following it as well.

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This is original sin done by their allies, the British and the

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Americans. I think they want it to be addressed. That is particularly

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the case when it comes to the command of Tripoli and his very

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important Islamist allies, who form one part of the coalition. He has

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already said that he wants at the very least an apology. Thank you.

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European stock markets have fallen sharply amid persistent concerns

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about the state of the banking industry and economic growth. The

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FTSE lost �50 billion in value. According to one survey of

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companies, the UK service sector has just recorded its worst

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economic slowdown for three years. No any of us might be feeling

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better after our summer holidays but the signs are that the British

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economy is not. They survey which measures British Activity in the

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economy, has shown that it has fallen to its lowest point since

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due -- gene 2009. The services sector was especially downbeat. It

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saw the sharpest fall since 2001. That is only one month's figure and

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could have been affected by the riots, but it speaks to growing

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pessimism about the pace of Britain's recovery. They his is a

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very disappointing number. It is still signalling growth, but very

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meagre growth. The rate of expansion has fallen dramatically

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compared to July. Independent economists have been busy lowering

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their expectations for growth, not just for the UK but Europe and

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America, which something is slipping back into recession. In

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March, the average forecast was for growth in the UK of 1.8% this year.

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That has now fallen to 1.3%. It could all make for an interesting

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debate on the Bank of England's policy committee when it meets this

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week over whether to provide more emergency support for the economy.

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It also raises questions about the pace of the Government budget cuts,

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even among some of the people that lobbied for cuts at the last

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election. People like Bill Gross, who runs one of the largest

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investment funds in the world. Last year he said the UK was

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implementing the best combination of monetary and fiscal policies. In

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an interview for the Times today he said the worst state of the economy

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call for fine-tuning, or maybe re- routing of the Government plans.

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Clearly fiscal policy is too tight and has been for some time. The

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cuts are too far and too fast. It would be better to support growth

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and employment by easing off on the pace of the cuts. The Chancellor

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should stick to his deficit- reduction plan because otherwise he

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risks losing the Triple A status. The cost of borrowing would then go

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up and damage the economy. The FTSE fell by 3.6% today. At is the

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second largest one-day fall this year. But index is now 15% lower

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than it was at the start of July. As the Chancellor often remind us,

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investors might shun the UK if he does not have that under control.

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But investors are always nervous when an economy does not seem to

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grow. The first draft of free schools

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opened this term. They are run by charities, faith group, and parents,

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but funded by the state. They are proving controversial. Today Nick

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Clegg assured critics, including some within his own party, that the

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schools are not just for the privileged few. Reeta Chakrabarti

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It's a new term and with it a new school, set up by parents, teachers,

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businesses and faith groups, free from local council control and free

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to parents, free schools have arrived. These five-year-olds at a

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free school in East London are among the first to get this new

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brand of education. Many of them struingtold find a place elsewhere.

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One boy had waited for a year. Parents say this school is offering

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them something different. The way they do the times of the schools,

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like 8am to 6pm, it's good for parents if they work as well. I

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think it will be good to start my children's education.

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flexibility in terms of more parental involvement in the

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decision making. So any good suggestions from the parents which

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is beneficial for the school and for the children as well. Because

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free schools are independent of the local authority they have the scope

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to do things differently. Some have smaller class sizes than usual, 24

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or fewer. Others have flexible opening times, both for the school

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day and the school term. And exceptionally free schools can

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employ teachers without a teaching qualification. The Education

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Secretary, Michael Gove, has said repeatedly that he wants free

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schools to be set up in poorer areas, such as this in west London,

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which opens in the next few days. Critics point out that half of the

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schools opening this year are not in deprived areas, and they say

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they risk becoming middle class enclaves.

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A point acknowledged today by the Deputy Prime Minister, mindful

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perhaps that hills party voted against free schools at last year's

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conference, Nick Clegg had this message for his own Government.

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They mup not be the preserve of the privileged few, creaming off the

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best pupils, while leaving the rest to fend for themselves, causing

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problems for and draining resources from other nearby schools. The 24

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new schools will cost up to �130 million and they include a handful

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of former private schools like this one in Yorkshire, which will now be

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state funded. Some say the money devoted to free schools should be

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more evenly spread. Free schools will, of course, take resources

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from existing education budgets, from existing schools. They may

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well take pupils from existing schools and this will destabilise

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the system. 24 is a small start, but with hundreds more predicted in

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the next four years, it could herald the beginning of something

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big. Coming up on tonight's programme:

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Out! The best of British, as the classic thriller Tinker, Tailor,

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Soldier, Spy gets a 21st century makeover.

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Just four months after the September 11th terror attacks, the

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US military began sending prisoners, caught on the battlefield in

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Afghanistan, to Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Ten years later, there are

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still nearly 200 prisoners there, including some of those connected

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to the attacks. Mark Mardell visited the prison and looked back

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on the legacy of Guantanamo. Nestled amid Cuba's tropical hills,

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a prison which has cast a long shadow. A President vowed to shut

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it down within a year of taking office. A promise unfulfilled. He

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called what once happened here a betrayal of American values. At its

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height it held 700. Now we're assured the remaining 171 inmates

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are allowed to mix freely. They have art classes and their own

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library. The official mantra is that their treatment is safe,

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humane and legal. I know the individuals behind the fence are my

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enemy. But I'm charged to treat them with dignity and respect and

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provide humane treatment. That's my mission. High profile prisoners are

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held in a secret part of the camp. This is a solitary confinement

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block for prisoners who won't cooperate. We're inside camp five,

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the maximum security wing here, where prisoners are held who've

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attacked guards. They're checked every three minutes during the 24

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hour cycle. Guantanamo Bay is still a name that resonates throughout

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the world, a potent symbol of the way America changed after 9/11,

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questioning even basic values of right and wrong. The immense shock

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of 9/11 left America feeling vulnerable, determined to track

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down those responsible. We will find those who did it. We will

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smoke them out of their holes. We will get them running and we'll

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bring them to justice. Those captured in Afghanistan were

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categorised not as prisoners of war or criminals, but illegal enemy

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combatants. It meant they had no rights. Many were shackled to the

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floor of military planes and flown to Camp X-Ray, a hastily set up new

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prison in Guantanamo Bay. Phil Mudd was a senior CIA analyst. He said

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the atmosphere was hot and heavy. The need for information urgent.

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Let's say we got a new prisoner. I don't know what's going to happen

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tomorrow. We need to know quickly. Maybe another child will die. The

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sense of immediatecy was balanced against what we knew were

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techniques that would come to light someday. Interrogators were given

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extraordinary powers. A secret memo said those being questioned could

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be subjected to treatment that may be cruel, inhumane or degrading,

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arguing it wasn't torture unless the pain was equivalent to organ

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failure. If you push someone against a wall and all of a sudden,

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they don't know what's going to happen, they say "I'll talk to you

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about a plot." Is that fair? Tech nickally that would be torture, in

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some cases, because that's physical aggression against a prisoner. If

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you narrow what we did, no information versus pushing someone

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against a wall, what would you say, is that OK? President Obama said it

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waents. Neither was the existence of Guantanamo itself. His very

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first major act as President was signing ab order to shut it down.

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But it still held inmates judged too dangerous to release. The

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President halted the military tribunals held there and planned to

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try prisoners in the USA in normal courts. That was met by a fire

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storm of protest. Obama's top lawyer, charged with closing

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Guantanamo, said the objections were ill informed and politically

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motivated Having terrorists as your next door neighbours, irresponsible

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rhetoric because no-one was proposing doing that, in the

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slightest. No-one was proposing jeopardising the security of

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American citizens by bringing terrorists into this country. It

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was all about being able to bring people in for trial. Reluctantly

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the Obama administration has ordered the tribunals to restart.

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The prisoners will remain here. The place where it all started, Camp X-

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Ray, has been abandoned. It's likely to be a long time before

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nature reclaims the prison as a whole. Its impact may linger even

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longer. For more stories and analysis in

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the run up to the 9/11 anniversary, there's more on our website. The

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address is bbc.co.uk/news. The Chancellor has defended the

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Government's controversial proposal to overhaul the planning system in

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England. George Osborne says they're essential if the economy is

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to recover. Critics, such as the National Trust, argue the proposal

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could have disastrous consequences for the countryside.

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Jeremy Cooke reports. They call it green belt, protected

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countryside, which lies in between our towns and cities. Getting

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planning permission here has been hard for decades, but amid growing

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housing shortages and hard economic times, there are calls to relax the

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rules. Campaigners say proposed Government changes to the planning

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system could mean more development in the countryside. At issue is how

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much protection we give to areas like this. What you're looking at

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down there is potentially prime development land. The campaigners

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say it's also priceless green space. The need is undenyably pressing.

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One possible indicator of housing shortages is the ratio of income to

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house prices. In this map, the darker the colour, the greater the

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difference between house prices and income. Affordable properties much

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more scarce in the darker areas. And it's not just housing. Here,

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plans for a 220-berth Marina complex were previously rejected

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but are now being reconsidered under appeal. The Government says

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it wants to simplify planning rules, reducing a thousand pages of

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regulations down to just 52. And crucially, they say, the default

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answer to planning applications should be yes unless there are

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strong reasons to reject them. proposed planning guidelines, as

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far as I've seen them, do provide some protection for the green belt.

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One's concern is that will gradually be eroded. The Government

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insists that there will be no erosion in the protection of the

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countryside, but Chancellor, George Osborne, also says that reforming

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the planning system is vital to the national ek am nomic recovery. He

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knows (economic recovery. He knows that the number of planning

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applications fell to a ten-year low from 2009 to 2010. In total more

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than 460,000 applications were received. Of those more than

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330,000 were grantsed. But those who support more

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development, the Government proposals feel like good news.

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changes the balance to make it more positive and will help developers,

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in certain circumstances, to improve the possibility of getting

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consent. Those who oppose the changes say they threaten some of

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our most precious land escapes and that any way, developers already

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hold so called land banks, which have planning permission to build

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hundreds of thousands of new homes. A date's been set for the eviction

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of hundreds of travellers from an illegal site in Essex. Basildon

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Council says it will begin clearing Dale Farm two weeks from today.

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More than 80 properties built on the former scrap yard don't have

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planning permission. Around 400 people are affected, many of them

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say they'll resist eviction. The latest version of the classic

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John le Carre thriller, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy has had its

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world premiere today. This time the iconic George Smiley, a role made

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famous by Alec Guinness is played by Gary Oldman. But will it live up

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to the expectations of an audience already familiar with the book and

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There's a mole right at the top of the circus. He's been there for

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years. George Smiley is back, the sharpest tool in the MI6 box of

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tricks. He's on the trail of a double agent, who threatens

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national security. I want to talk about loyalty, Toby. What did you

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make of it Jim? Gary Oldman is playing the spook in the film

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adaptation of John le Carre's book Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. It is

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a role Alec Guinness famously took in this 1979 television series. How

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does a new Smiley differ? I think it's a little sexier. A little

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crueler, there's a sort of, bit of a sadistic side to George that

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we've brought to the fore and I think, the sort of, the

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disenchantment, he's a sort of disenchanted kind of romantic, the

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melancholy. The film boasts a role call of top British acting talent.

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But the director is Swedish. Tomas Alfredson maeld his name with this

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2008 vampire movie, Let The Right One In. He has brought the same

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cool Scandinavian style to 1970s London. I came to England the first

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time in 1972, as I remember it. London was quite different from

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what it is now. I have very strong images and memories from that

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period. Since it's a very analogue world, compared to today. This film

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is not your typical modern thriller. There's none of the fast cutting

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and non-stop action you get served up in a Bond or Bourne franchise.

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Quite the opposite. It's more like HBO's The Wire or The Killing. This

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movie is very, very slow. It is very slow, but it's intellect

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weal compelling. Each detail is a lair upon a lair. It's a thriller

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of the mind. Early reviews have been favourable. Could it be a

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British spy will follow in the footsteps of a British king by

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