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Tonight at ten: The rapid change in the population of England and Wales

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over the past decade. The number of residents born overseas has risen

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by 63% in ten years, prompting a new debate about levels of

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migration. If we want people to integrate, we have got to slow it

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down, we have got to manage better than numbers coming in. Quite a lot

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of immigrants have contributed hugely to Britain's growth

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strawberry, particularly skilled were close. -- growth story.

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London has become the first region of England and Wales where white

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British people have become a minority.

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We'll also be looking at significant change in people's

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attitude to religion. Also tonight: New plans for same-

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sex marriage but the Church of England and the Church in Wales are

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excluded from the legislation. been a blanket ban on C of E is a

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shame because I am sure there are diocese that we do it if they had

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the option. -- would do it. HSBC pays a record �1.2 billion

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fine to US authorities after allegations of money laundering.

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In Belfast, more tension after nights of violence and death

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threats against two Unionist politicians.

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And I am in Cairo, where supporters and opponents of the embattled

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Egyptian president of staging their biggest rallies for weeks. The Army

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calls for a national dialogue. Thousands of anti-government

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protesters breached a 12 cert security walk and move closer to

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the presidential palace. Divided Damascus. A special report from

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inside Syria's capital, and the battle that has left parts of it

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destroyed. Coming up: 1-0 up against Arsenal

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but could be underdogs Bradford hold onto their lead in the League

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Good evening. The latest figures from last year's census in England

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and Wales show how quickly the population has been changing over

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the past decade. The number of residents born overseas has risen

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sharply. The census also records a big change in people's attitude to

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religion. Mark Easton has the details.

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The noughties in numbers, a decade of significant social change

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revealed by the censors and in particular the impact of waves of

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immigration from the Commonwealth and eastern Europe. The proportion

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of people in England and Wales describing themselves as white

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British has fallen from 87% down to 80% in ten years, still the

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majority in every locality except one. In London only 45% of people

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call themselves British and wait. In the borough of Newham in east

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London, just one person in six describes themselves as white

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British. London is an international city these days with more than a

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third of the population having been The population born overseas across

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England and Wales has risen by 2.9 million in ten years. Poland is now

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the country with the second largest number, almost 580,000, a rise of

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half-a-million in a decade. The figures will reignite debate as to

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whether immigration is putting too much pressure on resources and

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The most important thing is the speed with which immigration has

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been taking place. If we want people to integrate, we have got to

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slow it down and manage better the number has coming in. Immigration

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is an important component of UK economic growth. Quite a lot of

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immigrants have contributed hugely to Britain's growth, particularly

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skilled workers who are part of the global market for talent and these

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are the kind of people we need to attract in order to grow business

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is in the future. The Lincolnshire town of Boston has seen dramatic

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cultural change. It now has the highest proportion of Polish

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residents outside of London. Almost one in 20 come from eastern Europe

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here. Boston has changed big time in the last five years. Eastern

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Europeans are coming more and more. Everybody wants better life. That

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is why they are coming to hear. Despite the arrival of largely

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Catholic eastern Europeans, the proportion of people describing

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themselves as Christian has fallen The proportion reporting no

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religion has risen to 25%. Not rich maybe home to a bishop but it has

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won a reputation of the most godless place in England -- not

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rich. 43% of people here think they It goes with the territory of what

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is going on in the world. Not a lot of people believe. A shopping or

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football is the next big religion, isn't it. At the cathedral though,

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they are agnostic about the census findings on religion. In this

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cathedral we are seen literally hundreds of people through the

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doors every day this month for the Christmas carol services, so if it

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is the case we are the most godless city, I dread to think...

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censors has identified significant cultural change. Home-ownership has

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fallen for the first time in 60 years, more adults now have a

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degree than have no qualifications, but it is increasing diversity that

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history will perhaps remember that the defining feature of Britain in

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And you can see more details on the 2011 census and the key changes in

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your area of England or Wales by The government is to legislate to

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allow gay couples to marry in churches, synagogues, mosques,

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temples and in civil ceremonies in England and Wales. But in an

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unexpected move, the Church of England and the Church in Wales

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would not be included in the plans. Other churches would be allowed to

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opt in if they wished. Today the prospect of gay marriage

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in England and Wales moved a step closer. There will be a bill next

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year, it could be law by 2014 and religious organisations who want to

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of the same-sex ceremonies will be able to. Well, most of the M.

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legislation will explicitly state that it would be illegal for the

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churches of England and Wales to marry same-sex couples. If there is

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any church, synagogue or any mosque that does not want to conduct a

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same-sex marriage, it absolutely must not be forced to hold it.

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there will be safeguards. It will be illegal for the Church of

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England and Church of Wales to marry same-sex couples. Other

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religions will only be able to do so if the governing body and

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religious Minister give their consent. They were also get

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protection on legal claims against grounds of discrimination. That did

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not pacified the critics. These proposals are a disgrace and

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constitutional outrage. It is better to leave religious

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institutions to manage their discipline. This proposal commands

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widespread support in the country. No, it doesn't! In the House of

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Lords the Church of England appeared surprised by the exemption

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and no less opposed. Marriage is the union of one man and woman, a

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social institution that predates both church and state and has been

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the glue that has bound countless successive societies together.

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other clerics were less worried. good number of members of the

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Church of England and warmly welcome the government's decision

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and privately, a fair number of bishops also support it but are not

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able to say so public league. risk for the government is that by

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making same-sex marriage legal, it muddies the waters. It might not go

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far enough to satisfy concerns of bishops and Conservatives and it

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might raise doubts from others about how committed the government

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is to equality. The government is giving backwards, they had said any

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church that wanted to would be able to celebrate same-sex marriage and

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now they seem to be roaring up the Church of England. A one couple

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said they felt let down. Having a blanket ban on other C of E is a

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shame because I am sure certain diocese would do it if they have

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the option. However we are glad we do at least have the option to do

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something at places that can do it. The government hopes supporting gay

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marriage would win him votes by appearing modern but tonight they

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are being accused of mixed messages -- would win them votes.

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Thousands of Egyptians are on the streets of Cairo again tonight

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staging demonstrations for and against President Morsi. Many in

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the crowd are protesting against a proposed new constitution, which

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they claim would give the president too much power. For the latest,

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let's join George Alagiah. Thank you. Yes. Good evening.

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Thousands of the government opponents have converged on the

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presidential palace behind me. Earlier today the protesters

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managed to breach a concrete wall and move closer to the Palace.

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Across the city, there have been rival demonstrations staged by the

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President's supporters, with tensions rising ahead of a

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controversial referendum on Saturday. The head of the military

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has called for national dialogue. For perhaps the first time in weeks,

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those opposed to President Morsi and his reforms came together in a

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united front. Thousands marched on the presidential palace. A huge

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imposing wall designed to keep them at bay, no obstacle, as they

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flooded the square. Battered and beleaguered, Morsi is accused by

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many Egyptians of trying to force through a constitution that limits

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free speech and ignores the country's religious and social

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minorities. It is not democratic by any means, he is becoming a

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dictator and the Muslim Brotherhood are just hitting everybody who

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opposes them, so it is the same thing over again. This is so far a

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huge but relatively peaceful protest. There are hundreds if not

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thousands of riot police and soldiers here, predicting the

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Palace. The army has been given the full power of detention and arrest

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but an institution which has thus far remained neutral will be

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reluctant to get involved on behalf of the government against the

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People's. -- the people. Early in the day, on the other side of Cairo,

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President Morsi's own supporters also out in force. They handed back

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copies of the controversial constitution, which they say is a

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document that is fair to all Egyptians. All freedoms of

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religions offer be protected and all rights are protected by

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minorities, no discrimination whatsoever. It is very clear and

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concise. Major trouble was averted tonight because the two groups were

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kept apart by an army that has not taken sides. But in this divided

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country, a referendum on the constitution is still due to take

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place on Saturday. In Egypt, the key to the success of

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the uprising two years ago with the refusal of the military to turn its

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guns on the military and even today that the presidential guard have

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not used any force. By contrast in Syria, the army has been fighting

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on the side of the government and the result is a civil war that is

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still raging. Jeremy Bowen reports from Damascus on the battle for an

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increasingly divided city. This Damascus is now at the heart of the

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bloodiest Arab uprising. The regime keeps the city centre under tight

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security, squeezing the traffic down the main roads. The capital

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still functions. But the battle for Damascus is under way. It is

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happening in the suburbs. This is Duma after months of shelling and

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air strikes. It is controlled by the rebels, who claim they hold

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around a third of greater Damascus. The regime says the rebels only

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have pockets of ground. These were blocks of flats. The laws of war

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say all sides should distinguish between civilians and fighters.

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Almost every building in Duma is damaged, which suggests it is all

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being treated as a military target. They said they saw the bomb, a

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barrel of explosive, dropped in this neck from a helicopter. The

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regime's blitz is breaking the city, and breaking lives. It is not

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breaking the will of President Assad's enemies. The rebels have

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shown that they have the stomach for a fight. They have shown that

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they can endure pain, and they have the conviction that if they do not

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fight on, they will be killed. The question for them is what more they

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will have to do to get the victory that they insist is coming. A

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fighters in Duma, from a group called Lewar al-Islam, short of

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More than 200 recruits were being trained at an army base they said

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they had captured a month ago. The officers, defectors from the Syrian

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army, have the trappings of Islamist fighters, but deny the

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charge from the regime that they are jihadis, influenced by Al-Qaeda.

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What do you think will happen to Assad? Killed. How important is it

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for you to win the battle in Damascus? It is very important. It

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is the capital city, and we will catch the capital city from Assad.

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In a few weeks. Not if they cannot treat their wounded. They say the

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regime bombs the hospital, so this is all they have. Nobody here

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wanted their faces shown. The patient, a civilian, had both his

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feet blown off by a rocket. The man treating him was a dentist. He said,

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we will only have peace if this brutal regime, and its leader,

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Bashar al-Assad, are removed. You can see the rebel-held suburbs, and

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the bombing, from the windows of the regime's main military hospital.

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The Syrian army no longer gives out casualty figures. One doctor here

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said they averaged about 40 new admissions each day. One of the

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regime's dead was this man, Fadi Hamoud, who served in the Fiat Air

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force Intelligence Service. He left two small children and a widow. The

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family are Alawites, from the same sector as the President, and they

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believe they have no future if he does.

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TRANSLATION: For the country, for us to live, for the children to

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grow up, he had to sacrifice himself, and other men should

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sacrifice themselves for the sake of the country. The Presidential

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Palace looms over Damascus. Syria has two futures - a political deal

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between all sides to build a new country, or a long civil war, which

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is the most likely option right now. Now, the opposition here may have

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put thousands on to the streets tonight, but it still has the key

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decision to make - whether or not to take part in Saturday's

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controversial referendum. To keep up-to-date on that, and to follow

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our coverage of the Arab uprisings two years on, go to our website.

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That's all from us, on a day that has shown just how entrenched the

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political divide has become in Egypt. Back to you.

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Coming up tonight - English football tries to clamp down on

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discrimination in the game. Foreign players could face lessons in

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Britain's biggest international bank, HSBC, is to pay a record �1.2

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billion to the US authorities, following allegations of money-

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laundering. The bank was found guilty of stunning oversight. The

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chairman of HSBC at the time is now a business minister in the

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coalition government. His office said he shared the regret expressed

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by HSBC for what had gone wrong. Hugh Pym has more details.

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Britain's largest bank has owned up to major failings over money-

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laundering controls. Billions of dollars from Mexican drug cartels

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were washed through HSBC. Payments involving Iran were covered up. It

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has resulted in a final �1.2 billion, the biggest in US banking

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history. American authorities talked of staggering amounts being

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deposited in boxes made to fit through windows at the cash tills,

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as they made out the case against the bank. The systemic failure to

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guard against the corruption of our financial system, by drug

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traffickers and other criminals, and for evading US sanctions law...

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The investigation found that more than �4 billion was transferred

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between the bank's Mexico operation between the bank's Mexico operation

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The in a statement, HSBC said it was sorry for past mistakes, and it

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said the bank today was a fundamentally different

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organisation from the one which made the mistakes. The chief

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executive during that time was Lord Green, since made a Trade Minister

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by David Cameron. The allegations first emerged in July, in the US a

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Senate report, which mentions Lord Green, along with other senior

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managers. At the time, he had this to say. It is acknowledged that

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there were some failures of implementation. I share the regret

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about that. But I have been proud to work for this company, because

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it has always sought to do the right thing. But at Westminster

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today, there were demands for Lord Green to offer a more full

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explanation. I want to hear what he has got to say about his role. He

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has had more than five months to come to the House of Lords and

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explain what he knew when he was chief executive and chairman at

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HSBC. HSBC is not the only British bank to have had a run-in with the

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US authorities. Just yesterday, Standard Chartered agreed to pay a

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heavy fine after accusations of sanctions violations. Barclays,

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Lloyds and other European banks have also reached settlements in

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recent years following money- laundering allegations. Three

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arrests have been made today as part of the investigation into the

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LIBOR scandal. It is just another reminder of the troubled past of

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the banking industry and the challenges it faces in trying to

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wipe the slate clean. Customers of the state-owned

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Northern Rock bank are to receive compensation from the taxpayer,

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totaling more than �250,000. More than 150,000 people will receive an

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average payout of �1,700 each, after the bank failed to give them

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the right information when they took out personal loans.

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The loyalists involved in the past eight nights of violence in

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northern island have brought shame on the Union flag, according to the

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Northern Ireland Secretary, Theresa Villiers. Tonight, the First

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Minister, Peter Robinson, said that two senior members of his party,

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the DUP, had received death threats. Protesters were back on the streets

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tonight. There was no violence, but some main roads in Belfast were

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blocked. Loyalists are angry at the decision by Belfast City council to

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stop flying the Union flag every day. That decision was taken more

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than a week ago. There has been trouble ever since. There is now a

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daily clean up in parts of the city, and the police are being stretched.

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We have seen social media playing a very powerful part in this.

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Organisations are doing things via the social media, which make it

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very difficult to control. tension has risen here this week,

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so has the number of death threats against politicians - from hardline

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loyalists and dissident republicans. The latest to be targeted, two

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senior members of the main unionist Party, the DUP. Police have met

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with two senior members of my party, to indicate that their lives and

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the lives of their families are in danger. There is nothing remotely

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British about what they are doing. They are dishonouring and shaming

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the flag of our country with their enormous and violent activities.

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Historically, most Protestants in northern island have wanted to

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remain within the UK, while most Catholics prefer reunited Ireland.

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The latest census, published today, indicates the changing picture. The

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Protestant population is down to 48%. The Catholic population is up

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to 45%. Whatever the numbers and whatever the future, the priority

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now in Northern Ireland is piece on the streets. This is close to where

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a female police officer was attacked with a petrol bomb last

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night. Once again, the police are out in numbers. It is the 9th night

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in a row they have been here. So far, they have not been needed, but

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the night is not over yet. South African government officials

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have revealed that none from Mandela is being treated for the

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recurrence of a lung infection. -- that Nelson Mandela. He is said to

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be responding well to the treatment. Foreign football players could be

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asked to attend cultural lessons when the join English clubs, as

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part of a drive to tackle race- related offences. The governing

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bodies of English football have included that proposal in a 93-

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point plan. But one anti-racism campaigner, Lord Ouseley, has

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claimed there is a "moral vacuum" in the fight against discrimination.

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Our sports editor, David Bond, has this report. It is the toxic issue

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which will not go away. Time and again over the last year, players

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and fans have been involved in racist incidents, damaging the

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image of the national game. Tonight, things got worse. Lord Ouseley said

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his position on the FA council had become untenable because of what he

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claimed was a moral vacuum, and lack of leadership in the sport.

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One of the FA's directors told me she shared some of his views, and

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said his departure would be a blow. We need diversity. He has been one

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of the first members of the FA council. He has brought that

:25:27.:25:36.

experience with him. So, that would be a loss, if he goes. The Premier

:25:37.:25:39.

League attracts top global talent, but it also attracts plenty of

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controversy, and that has led to renewed scrutiny for those who run

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the game. English football hoped it had left behind the bad old days of

:25:49.:25:55.

the 1970s and 1980s, when racism on the terraces was quite commonplace.

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But the recent spate of high- profile controversies, on and off

:25:58.:26:02.

the pitch, have highlighted the need for tougher action. The BBC

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has learnt that the FA has drawn up a new anti-racism strategy, which

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includes a plan to tighten the contracts of players and managers,

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to include clauses dealing with discriminatory behaviour, new

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discriminatory behaviour, new measures to encourage the reporting

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of races incidence, and perhaps most controversially, mandatory

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English cultural lessons for new foreign players. The idea is a

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direct result of the case of Luis Suarez, banned by the FA for racist

:26:31.:26:38.

abuse. He said the term he used with Patrice Evra was not offensive

:26:38.:26:41.

in his home country. So, what is in his home country. So, what is

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the idea work? I would say, no. When I finished

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training, the only thing is to go home, sleep, see my family and

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friends, am not going to go and sit in the classroom, no. But if

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