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the streets and key roads leading to the Palace of Westminster still

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closed this afternoon. You're watching BBC news.

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This is BBC News. I'm Ben Brown live at Westminster. As the Prime

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Minister says the man behind the terror attack here was British-born

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and known to the authorities. The flag over Parliament is flying

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at half-mast this afternoon, as the Queen expresses her son is for all

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those affected. The Prime Minister has been shaken colleagues in the

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chamber of the House of Commons. -- the Queen expresses her sympathies.

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What I can confirm is the man was British-born and some years ago he

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was once investigated by MI5 in concerns over violent extremism. One

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of the victims of the attack has been named as Aysha Frade. She was

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reportedly on her way to pick up her children from school when she was at

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the macro struck by gear car's car on West bridge.

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I am Annita McVeigh out by Scotland Yard. Kelly is coordinating the

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investigation have arrested eight people, Paul-macro of them in

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Birmingham. And police have been searching the clean as their

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murdered colleague is named as geeky Keith Palmer. One colleague paid an

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emotional tribute to his friend from his days in the military. He was a

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strong, professional public servant. And it was a delight to meeting here

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again only a few months after being elected.

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Families continue to mourn their dead.

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The police have made their first arrest in connection with the

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attack, which left four people dead, including the perpetrator. Grades

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are being carried out overnight in Birmingham and London and eight

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people in all have been arrested, at least four in Birmingham. Theresa

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May has confirmed the suspect was once investigated by MI5 over

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concerns they had about violent extremism. She also said that he was

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not part of the current intelligence picture, described him as a

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peripheral figure. The Queen has led tributes to those impacted by

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yesterday's events. In a statement released by Buckingham Palace in the

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last three minutes, Queen Elizabeth said...

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Aysha Frade has been named as one of the two people killed when the

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attacker targeted pedestrians walking on Westminster Bridge. PC

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Keith Palmer was stabbed by the suspect at the entrance of the

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Palace of Westminster, and altogether 29 people are still in

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hospital this afternoon, including seven who we are told are

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The House of Commons was in sombre reflective mood this morning. In

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memory of those who lost their lives in yesterday's attack and of all of

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the casualties of that attack. We shall now observe a minute's

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silence. Sfli Yesterday an act of terrorism

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tried to silence our downpour si. -- democracy. As generations have done

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before and future generation will continue to do, to deliver a simple

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message - we are not afraid. And our resolve will never waiver in the

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face of terrorism. As the Queen said her thoughts and sympathy were with

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all those affected, at New Scotland Yard the police paid tributes to a

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fallen colleague, after an attack on the the capital that everyone had

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dreaded and trained for. But are determined to overcome. With the

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Union flag at half-mast above the Palace of Westminster, the area

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around Parliament remains closed to the public. That includes

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Westminster Bridge, where shortly before 3 o'clock yesterday, a lone

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attacker drove a four-wheel drive vehicle at high speed through a

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crowd of people. One victim was catapulted into the Thames as the

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car mounted the kerb. The woman was pulled from the river injured but

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alive. The vehicle continued at speed, and crashed into the railings

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around the Palace of Westminster. The attack ran do the main gate

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where he stabbed a police officer, 48-year-old Keith Palmer. As he

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continued he was shot as he tried to attack other officers. Amid the

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chaos, many commented on the bravery of passers by, MP and emergency

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services in giving first aid and tending to the victims. But three

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people were killed, including PC Palmer. Also Aysha Frade, a 4

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3-year-old from Spain. The attacker has not been named. But he was

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British and was once investigated for links to extremist

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organisations. Police from several forces launched simultaneous

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operations in the Midlands and in London, making eight arrests in

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connection with the Westminster attack. The inquiries in Birmingham,

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London and other parts are continuing. It is still our belief,

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which continues to be borne out by our investigation, that this

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attacker acted alone and was inspired by international terrorism.

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Investigators are piecing together the exact circumstances of what

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happened in and around Parliament. But in London and Westminster

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generally, security has been significantly increased, around what

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was already one of most heavily protected areas of the cap pal vp --

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capital. The importance of security and maintaining the freedoms people

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cherish, never more challenging. I'm joined at the police cordon at

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Westminster by Lord Carlile. Thank you for being us with. What do you

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think of the significance of the fact that the Prime Minister said

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this assailant was British born and had been on the Security Services'

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radar. We will have to look at the evidence and there are issues about

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whether MI5 has sufficient staffing to track people who come on to its

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radar for long enough. We have the investigatory powers act to empower

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the security services to follow the internet traffic of people

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interested in being radicalised. We have to see fit was sufficient. She

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said he was a peripheral figure, the Security Services cannot track

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everyone. No and they make judgments and make judgments on the whole. The

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Security Services are often then sung heros who keep the public safe

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and they will be examining what occurred and looking at the

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perpetrator and asking the Government for the resources they

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need. What has been demonstrated is that there is a real severe threat

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and we must protect the public, not just Parliament, but the public from

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this kind of threat. Because it was members of public as well as a much

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loved police officer who suffered yesterday. An attacker using a car

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and knives, so hard to stop. And to get intelligence on. Yes, things

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have changed a lot, at one time we were looking at improvised

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electronic explosive devices, now it is cars and knives. It is much more

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difficult to detect that kind of event, because it is so simple to

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perpetrate. Do you think there needs to be changes in legislation? On the

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face of it no, I think anti-terror legislation is strong and complete

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and we may have to look at the way it is applied and the extent to

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which the radicalising sites are taken from the internet. It is right

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to say that over 50,000 such sites were removed by the British

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authorities in the last two quarters, so the Government's staff

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are working hard at this. But it may that more can be done. The public,

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communities, must be more vigilant than they have been, as this event

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has shown. Thank you. Let's go to our assistant political editor

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norman Smith who is in the palace Palace of Westminster and was

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listening to that debate. Very dignified and an agreement on all

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sides it was important for MPs to sit today, just the day after the

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attack to show they wouldn't be cowed by terrorism. Yes, it was

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clear that many MPs made a real effort to make sure they were in the

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chamber to cancel trips away, as a visible symbol of defines. --

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defiance. But we have been getting more detail about events yesterday

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and the BBC understands that the attacker was shot dead by one of the

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Defence Secretary's security detail. That would fit in, it has not been

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confirmed, but that would #23i9 with -- fit with what we know from

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yesterday, because MPs and the ministers and the Prime Minister

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were voting as the attack took place. They would have been going

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along, many of them at the back of palace yard through t area, many MPs

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were told they were told to get down. We know it was a plain clothes

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officer who shot the attacker. Now it seems it was part of Defence

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Secretary's own security detail. I stress that has not been confirmed,

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but what is what we understand. That would seem to fit in what appears to

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be a likely possibility. Elsewhere we are getting more details about

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the Monday himself -- man himself and we know, because the Prime

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Minister told us he is a British national and he had xom to attention

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of the -- come to the attention of security forces understanding but s

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but he was a peripheral figure and not part of their current

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investigations and was not seen as an immediate threat. But I imagine

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that will be one area that people will want to look at. In terms of

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mood, it was captured by a Conservative MP, James Cleverley,

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who knew PC Keith Palmer as a former colleague in the artillery regiment.

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He seemed close to tears as he urged Mrs May to consider some sort of

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recognition, I assume a medal for PC Palmer. There was calms for some

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sort of monument to recognise his courage and bravery. But you know

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there was a common theme apart from the sense of defiance that democracy

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will not be cow and that was the plea for people not to react and

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respond to those seeking to divide different communities. Thank you

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very much. Norman Smith there. The police are urging anyone with any

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information at all about the events here yesterday to get in touch with

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them and members of public being asked to call the anti-terrorist

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hotline. It is there on screen. That is the same number if people

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want to report anything else suspicious they have spotted. We

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leave viewers on BBC1 who will get more detail from Westminster in the

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one o'clock news. The flag flying at half-mast over

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Westminster, where MPs have been meeting in that very sombre session,

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sombre debate and listening to the Prime Minister and agreeing they

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have to stand firm against terrorism. Meanwhile police continue

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their investigations into exactly what happened yesterday, and who was

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this man behind it. Let's go now to Annita McVeigh, who is at the

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headquarters of the Metropolitan Police, new Scotland Yard, very

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close to where the attack took place here at Westminster.

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Thank you. Sombre moments here earlier today as well, and minute's

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silence in memory of PC Keith Palmer in front of the eternal flame which

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is just behind me here, the eternal flame at new Scotland Yard which

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commemorates those who have lost their lives in the service of the

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force, and just after that minute's silence the acting commissioner of

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the Met, Craig Mackey, spoke briefly to the gathered media. He said that

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no matter how much he and his colleagues had prepared for possible

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terrorist attacks through a variety of scenarios, for members of the

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force and the public nothing could prepare them for the reality of what

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had happened yesterday, and he repeated the appeal to the public

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that if they have any concerns at all to approach an officer and talk

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to them. He said the police are the public and the public are the

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police. A motion as well as we have been hearing inside the Commons, MPs

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have spoken about their thoughts and feelings on the events of yesterday,

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and we heard from James Cleverly, the MP for Braintree, a friend of 25

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years standing of PC Keith Palmer. The two had served in the Royal

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Artillery together and this is what he said.

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I would like to turn for a moment of PC Keith Palmer who I first met 25

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years ago as Gunnar Keith Palmer at headquarters battery 100 Regiment

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Royal Artillery. He was a strong, professional public servant. And it

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was a delight to meet him here again only a few months after being

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elected. Would my right honourable Friend the Prime Minister, in

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recognition of the work that he did and the other police officers and

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public servants here in the house do, consider recognising his

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gallantry and sacrifice formally with a posthumous recognition?

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Some breaking news coming to us, we are hearing from the so-called

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Islamic State's news agency that it is claiming this attack. One might

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say that they would do that, but this is coming from the so-called

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Islamic State news agency, claiming that attack. Of course, what we have

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heard from the police here is that they believe the individual who

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carried out the attack in Westminster yesterday was acting

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alone but inspired by international terrorism. We will discuss that

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further in a minute. First, let's go to Birmingham, where four of the

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eight arrests so far carried out by police have been made and our

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correspondent Phil Mackie is there. Bring us up-to-date with what is

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happening. As you can see, this is where a lot

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of attention has been focused over the last 12 hours or so because

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events began to unfold at 11pm last night on the busy Hagley Road, one

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of the main routes into Birmingham, four lanes of traffic behind the

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camera that you cannot see, that was completely sealed off, armed

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officers jumped out of the card and went into this flat here, the brown

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ball behind me. Everybody in the shops and restaurants along here, it

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would have been quite busy year even at 11 beyond, they were kept on

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lockdown for a couple of hours and later on they saw three men being

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taken out of here, even after that in the small hours they saw boxes of

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evidence being brought out. In the last 20 minutes or so we have seen

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this security cordons go up and we are expecting officers that we know

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are still in their carrying out forensic investigation is likely to

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come out with more boxes of evidence in the near future. We still haven't

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had any official confirmation that what is going on here is related to

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what happened in Westminster yesterday, but all inquiries are

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being referred to Scotland Yard, it is not an investigation being led by

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West Midlands Police, and it has to be more than a coincidence, it

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certainly appears that this is one of those key addresses that officers

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investigating those terrible attacks nearly 24 hours ago will have been

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focusing on. I spoke to one or two of the people

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who lived in the flat next door, they talk about being frightened

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hearing the shouting and seeing armed police but it is the kind of

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area with a transient population, lots of flats, people don't

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necessarily live here for long so nobody could really tell us who

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lived in those flats and what happened to them and where they are

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from. We are hearing more information

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coming in about various pieces of police activity, but let me just ask

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you about the reports that the car that was used in this attack was

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printed in the West Midlands, what can you tell us about that?

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It was thought originally that the car used in the attack on the

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Westminster Bridge, that ran into people there, had been hired from a

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rental company, Enterprise, in soluble. Enterprise has confirmed it

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was one of their cars involved in the attack but it definitely was not

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rented from Soliola. I don't necessarily know where that came

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from -- from Solihull. They have expressed their condolences, they

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said that as soon as they saw the number plate on one of the images

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online, they verified it and are informed the authorities

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straightaway and they are assisting the police with their investigation.

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OK, thank you for that. Just a reminder of the breaking news in the

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last few moments, the so-called Islamic State newsagency is claiming

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this attack in Westminster, although just to remind you police here are

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working on the basis that the individual who carried out that

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attack was working alone but inspired by international terrorism,

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but of course they are investigating what his associations might have

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been, what preparation went on in the lead up to this attack. Just

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also a reminder that we have heard in the last short while reports that

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it may have been one of the Defence Secretary Michael Fallon's personal

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protection officers who shot the attacker yesterday. With me now to

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discuss the latest development is our home affairs correspondent

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Daniel Sandford. First of all, what do we know so far about whom this

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attacker may have been? He is a person that it turned out

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was known to the police and security service, MI5, he had been on the

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periphery of an investigation some years ago, I understand. It looks as

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if he wasn't actually charged in relation to that investigation but

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certainly the way that the Prime Minister put it in the House of

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Commons earlier today, he was no longer part of the current

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intelligence picture, as it were he had drifted off the radar, having

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been on the radar. There is still a working assumption that he was, in

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carrying out this attack -- he was carrying out this attack on his own,

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nonetheless eight people have been arrested over quite a large area of

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England and Wales, four in Birmingham, the other four it is not

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quite clear that there has been police activity in Wales, Surrey,

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Sussex, parts of west London, so it is a wide operation. Police have

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been speaking to people who knew this man well to see if they had any

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information of how he got involved in doing this. The claim of

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responsibility by Islamic State, the police will not pay a great deal of

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attention to that because they already were working on the Sumption

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that this was an Islamist inspired attack and what they really want to

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know is who may have been helping him on the ground here, not who may

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have been the ideologue or contact he had overseas, that will come

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further down the line. What is difficult for the police is

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that this is a low-tech attack, so many people have access to knives

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and cars, it is difficult to think about how they might combat this

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sort of incident? In some ways you might think the

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protections that there were the parliament worked reasonably well,

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the man did not get more than a few yards inside the perimeter of

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parliament, he had to break through the first ring, which she did with

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some success, unfortunately took a police officer's life in doing that,

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but then this plainclothes officer with a handgun and shot him dead and

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the attack was over. But of course the thing we have seen over the last

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few years was what he had done before that, with his vehicle, which

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actually caused much more carnage. I should say the Westminster Bridge,

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where that carnage took place, was a complete crime scene yesterday,

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massive amounts of evidence gathering going on for any future

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inquest or trials, is anybody else was ever to be implicated in the

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attack, but this morning what we are seeing is it is being cleaned, road

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sweeping machines are out there, it is being prepared for reopening, so

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that first initial evidence gathering stage, certainly on

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Westminster Bridge, appears to be over, we are now in the state of,

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who are his contacts, what kind of communications did he have, what, if

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anything, did anybody else no year in the country and that is where the

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focus of the investigation is now moving, from the basic evidence

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gathering that was taking place yesterday.

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A complex operation, thank you so much.

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Of course, 24 hours a day, every day of the year the men and women of

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Metropolitan Police are protecting London and people in this city, that

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job continues today at the same time as this massive investigation goes

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on and also of course as they come to terms with the loss of one of

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their own in the line of duty. Ben, back to you.

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We know that 40 people were injured in the attack yesterday, many of

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them still in hospital, some of them critically ill and fighting for

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their lives, being treated at a number of hospitals, St Thomas is

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just across the river where doctors ran out of the hospital to treat

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people on Westminster Bridge, also Kings College Hospital and Saint

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Mary's Hospital in central London. Our correspondent Fiona London is

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there, what is the latest? We are about 2.5 miles from

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Westminster Bridge and if you can see behind me the police riot vans

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and cars because there is a real presence here still today, and if I

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take you inside, in the reception, you might be able to sleep through

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the glass doors there are two police officers on guard, earlier there

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were eight, searching bags as people went in. If I draw your attention to

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the poster, they clearly have a control room in the hospital. The

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hospital trust have confirmed they are treating patients here who were

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involved in the attack yesterday. We spoke to a patient earlier who was

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at the hospital just before the attack. He told us he was in a and B

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and was asked to move into a ward because he said he was told injured

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police officers were on their way to the hospital. This is Martin

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Galloway. I arrived here, I can't remember

:26:48.:26:52.

the time, about 2pm or 3pm and they said a police officer had

:26:53.:27:05.

been injured and they didn't have any beds so they moved me

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to the second floor. We know that three police officers

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were injured on the bridge, whether they are here, we don't yet know.

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Thank you very much, sorry about the sound on that report there from St

:27:26.:27:27.

Mary's Hospital. Joining us now is the former Tory

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shadow homeland security Former MP as well. I think I'm right

:27:31.:27:41.

in saying that you carried out a review of security around the Palace

:27:42.:27:45.

of Westminster I think after the Mumbai attack, so do you think

:27:46.:27:48.

security needs to be improved or at least looked at again around the

:27:49.:27:52.

Palace of Westminster in the wake of what happened here? The inquiry was

:27:53.:27:57.

actually a national inquiry looking at a much bigger targets than simply

:27:58.:28:01.

the Palace of Westminster, but you are right, we did look at the

:28:02.:28:05.

security because of the high-value nature of the House of Commons. One

:28:06.:28:09.

of the things we were very concerned about and which we didn't feel we

:28:10.:28:14.

were properly prepared for was a mass attack, a dismounted infantry

:28:15.:28:18.

style attack we have seen in places like Mumbai and other places like

:28:19.:28:21.

that, however we did conclude the most likely form of attack was a

:28:22.:28:27.

so-called lone wolf attack. This was partially informed by what happened

:28:28.:28:32.

to Fusilier Lee Rigby some years ago and now there are many parallels

:28:33.:28:35.

with what happened yesterday. The trouble is, the conclusion that we

:28:36.:28:41.

came to, the lone individual operating with a low value vehicle,

:28:42.:28:48.

weapon, and knife and a car, very, very hard to stop unless you

:28:49.:28:51.

completely closed down Parliament Square and the Houses of Parliament

:28:52.:28:55.

and make it impossible for vehicles to come through and every individual

:28:56.:28:59.

is searched. Again, our conclusion was, were we willing to do that? No,

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of course not. The point about terrorism is that it terrorises and

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changes the nature of everyday life. We, for better or worse, live in a

:29:10.:29:13.

democracy and therefore our representatives have got to be

:29:14.:29:16.

accessible to their constituents. You cannot do that if you are going

:29:17.:29:29.

to live in a permanent state of terror. Quite apart from which, it

:29:30.:29:32.

also demonstrates to the terrorists that they are having an effect. We

:29:33.:29:35.

concluded that was a price we were not willing to pay.

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In your view now, you don't think really any substantial changes in

:29:38.:29:40.

the security setup around Westminster? Be in no doubt that

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there are all sorts of measures which are already in place inside

:29:45.:29:49.

Westminster which will protect the state, protect the palace and those

:29:50.:29:53.

people that walk in and out. The thing I do think is important that

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the Government has not addressed is a public information campaign that

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people must be alerted, must be sensitised to the fact that these

:30:02.:30:06.

sorts of individuals are among our community, they do mean of harm and

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we have to keep our eyes and ears open. Think back a few years to when

:30:18.:30:19.

the Irish republican army were carrying out bombings and the like

:30:20.:30:21.

in central London. There was never any hesitation there full

:30:22.:30:24.

organisations like yours to say to people, there is a threat, be

:30:25.:30:26.

careful, be alert, this is what to look out for. We must not allow

:30:27.:30:30.

ourselves to be strangled by political correctness on this. We've

:30:31.:30:34.

got to recognise there is a threat, we've got to alert people to it and

:30:35.:30:39.

sensitise themselves to it. If every person out there is knowledgeable,

:30:40.:30:45.

informed, capable of imparting information, it will make the

:30:46.:30:48.

terrorists' job so much more difficult.

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Very good to talk to you, thank you for your time, Patrick Mercer,

:30:52.:30:55.

former Conservative MP. Let me show you the scene at Westminster, where

:30:56.:31:00.

the flag is flying at half-mast over the Palace of Westminster. In memory

:31:01.:31:09.

of those who died in the horrific attack here almost 24 hours ago. The

:31:10.:31:14.

streets and roads around the Palace of Westminster leading to Parliament

:31:15.:31:18.

Square, many of them still closed off right now because of course it

:31:19.:31:23.

is a crime scene, police still with a lot of investigative work to do,

:31:24.:31:28.

particularly along the Westminster Bridge and around the Palace of

:31:29.:31:31.

Westminster, where the stabbing of PC Keith Palmer took place.

:31:32.:31:42.

That debate with Theresa May telling MPs today we are not afraid. Our

:31:43.:31:50.

resolve will never waver in the face of terrorism. I am joined here at

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the police cordoned with Jonathan Reynolds, Labour MP. You were in the

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house yesterday and so was your two-year-old child in the Commons

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Nursery, is that right? I was actually coming back into

:32:09.:32:12.

Parliament. I was rushing to get in. As I tried to get in there was a

:32:13.:32:16.

crowd of people coming out of the Westminster entrance. People were

:32:17.:32:20.

talking about gunfire. I think a lot of people who work in Westminster

:32:21.:32:25.

have thought about what might happen if there was a security incident. I

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wanted to be with him but I was not in the estate so I tried to get in

:32:37.:32:39.

from the Whitehall side. I got into the building to be with him. When

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the news broke I was able to tell my wife I was with him. We are seeing a

:32:44.:32:50.

picture of you with him on our screen. You must have been very

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worried at the time? Very worried. It was not clear what had happened.

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People evacuated in different parts of the estate. I could see something

:33:02.:33:07.

out of the window which was a pretty bad situation. And that side of the

:33:08.:33:12.

estate on Westminster Bridge Road and you could tell it was very

:33:13.:33:16.

serious and the news came forward that a police officer had been

:33:17.:33:21.

injured. People did not know how serious that was. There was huge

:33:22.:33:28.

concern that the incident was over. I wanted to be with him. Some

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colleagues had to be separated for the duration of the lockdown which

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is of huge concern but it was nice to be there.

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The children were great. They knew something was not right. It is a

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reminder that Westminster is a community, a village and their

:33:56.:34:00.

families there. Parliament needs to be a place where a lot of people can

:34:01.:34:05.

come in. I had some constituents down that I was hoping to see. Some

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councillors came down. I will have to persuade them to come down in

:34:11.:34:15.

future. It has to be a place to support the work that goes on there.

:34:16.:34:19.

People do have children with them sometimes and it is very difficult

:34:20.:34:23.

in that sense. That is what people should remember when they talk about

:34:24.:34:27.

Westminster. It is not just about politicians, it is a much bigger

:34:28.:34:29.

place than that. And the message from the

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Prime Minister and all the MPs taken part in the debate this morning was

:34:47.:34:49.

very much the work has to go on as normal? It is very important that

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Parliament was sitting today. I am looking forward to getting home to

:34:53.:34:54.

Stalybridge tonight. I thought the Prime Minister's statement, the

:34:55.:34:56.

Leader of the Opposition and Angus Robertson from the SNP were all

:34:57.:34:59.

absolutely correct in what they said. It was the right tone. I have

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seen some comments from around the world that somehow London is closed

:35:05.:35:08.

or frightened and that is not the case at all. This place is open.

:35:09.:35:17.

There are people going about their daily business in the British way

:35:18.:35:22.

that we do that. And the public gallery in the Commons is open.

:35:23.:35:27.

Having been through the trauma yesterday, in which you said you

:35:28.:35:30.

were so worried about your child, but should security around the

:35:31.:35:35.

Palace of Westminster be increased or at least reviewed? After an

:35:36.:35:40.

incident like this, the response will be properly considered, but if

:35:41.:35:45.

you look at what we know so far, the assailant clearly determined, did

:35:46.:35:47.

not breach the perimeter, did not get into the building, he stopped

:35:48.:36:01.

passed power edge -- palace gates. There has been a significant

:36:02.:36:04.

strengthening of the estate in recent years in terms of the threat

:36:05.:36:07.

from vehicles and that will be something that will come out in the

:36:08.:36:11.

evidence as well. We should not jump to conclusions. There will have to

:36:12.:36:15.

be a reviewed response to it. The security has to be hearing

:36:16.:36:23.

Parliament but any day my constituents can come in and anyone

:36:24.:36:27.

can come into the lobby of Parliament for an event. Parliament

:36:28.:36:31.

is not the votes and the debate, it is people from every parts of the

:36:32.:36:34.

country coming together to represent all bits of that country and that

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has to be the basis of it. It is a balance that has to be got right and

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I think the balance is on the main the right one. The staff are

:36:44.:36:46.

wonderful, not just looking after the business of Parliament, when

:36:47.:36:51.

they see us with our children coming in, they are so friendly to them.

:36:52.:36:55.

You see people stopping for selfies and wanting pictures of Big Ben with

:36:56.:36:59.

the police and they are magnificent in their response to all that. That

:37:00.:37:09.

was what was going on yesterday. It was really quite traumatic day

:37:10.:37:14.

looking back at it, and I think your other child was drawing pictures of

:37:15.:37:17.

the House of Commons? Whenever you have to bring your kids and people

:37:18.:37:21.

are so kind to them. I think people recognise as well it was not always

:37:22.:37:25.

a family friendly place. Some older colleagues would not have had that

:37:26.:37:29.

experience but the staff are wonderful, they love to the children

:37:30.:37:34.

and the children love to see all of that as well. My six-year-old drew

:37:35.:37:37.

some thank you cards for the police and the nursery staff as well. Thank

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you so much for talking to us, Jonathan Reynolds MP. Very good to

:37:44.:37:55.

talk to. A former neighbour of one of the victims's who was attacked

:37:56.:38:12.

has been speaking to the BBC. She was a lovely girl, a lovely mother,

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a lovely wife. She was just a lovely person with two lovely children. Two

:38:18.:38:23.

lovely, lovely girls. How are these children? They have lost their

:38:24.:38:27.

mother. You leave your kids to take them to school, you go and pick them

:38:28.:38:32.

up and this happens to you. I am in shock. I cannot believe it. I think

:38:33.:38:40.

I have to go win. A neighbour of Aysha Frade who died in the attack

:38:41.:38:44.

yesterday in the attack on Westminster Bridge. There have been

:38:45.:38:49.

messages of support and solidarity from Britain -- for Britain coming

:38:50.:38:55.

from all over the world. We have heard from Jean-Claude Yunker who

:38:56.:38:58.

was attending celebrations in Brussels, it is one year since the

:38:59.:39:02.

Brussels attacks when he heard of the attacks and he has been giving

:39:03.:39:10.

this reaction. I was attending commemoration ceremonies in Brussels

:39:11.:39:16.

because we had these attacks. Yesterday, one year ago. And while I

:39:17.:39:25.

have been there, I was informed that the attacks took place in London and

:39:26.:39:32.

I was shocked. Shocked because one has to be shocked. And shocked

:39:33.:39:43.

because again and again, we are hit by this kind of event. I am admiring

:39:44.:39:59.

really the resilience of the city of London and of the British and I will

:40:00.:40:06.

have a call today with the Prime Minister.

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Jean-Claude Juncker there. Let's now talk to the Ukip leader Paul Nuttall

:40:14.:40:19.

who joins me at the police cordoned as the police investigation

:40:20.:40:23.

continues, what are your thoughts after the attack yesterday? I think

:40:24.:40:29.

obviously sadness. I think it is an appalling act of terrorism. My heart

:40:30.:40:33.

goes out to the families who have lost loved ones and I hope for a

:40:34.:40:38.

swift recovery for those who are in hospital as a result of this madness

:40:39.:40:43.

yesterday. Do you think there needs to be changes to security in

:40:44.:40:48.

Westminster and around the country? Quite possibly in Westminster, given

:40:49.:40:49.

that all that was needed for this terrorist attack to take place

:40:50.:41:14.

yesterday was at Hyundai four by four and a couple of kitchen knives.

:41:15.:41:18.

It was not as if the guy had a machine gun or anything like that,

:41:19.:41:20.

it was pretty basic, so I think maybe security does need to be

:41:21.:41:23.

improved. We have heard the Prime Minister saying we are not afraid.

:41:24.:41:25.

MPs have been sitting. Was that a demonstration of defiance in your

:41:26.:41:27.

view? Absolute defiance. I have to say I don't think this was a

:41:28.:41:30.

coincidence that this attack took place a year to the day after the

:41:31.:41:34.

Brussels attacks which European Parliament representatives were

:41:35.:41:38.

involved in. There is a cancer within our community in our country

:41:39.:41:42.

which has to be cut out and dealt with. Whether that is calling on the

:41:43.:41:46.

Muslim community to do more to cut this cancer out, whether it is

:41:47.:41:50.

ensuring that those 800 British citizens who are fighting for ice is

:41:51.:41:54.

out in Syria and Iraq are allowed back in this country, or indeed down

:41:55.:41:59.

the line, whether the government goes down the route of banning Saudi

:42:00.:42:04.

funded mosques. Quite frankly, Saudi Arabia spread radicalisation around

:42:05.:42:09.

the world. The man, the assailant, was known to be born in this

:42:10.:42:13.

country. That is what the Prime Minister said. He had been on the

:42:14.:42:17.

security services radar a while ago but was judged now to be on the

:42:18.:42:22.

periphery, what do you think are the indications of that. The question

:42:23.:42:25.

will be asked if the security services should have continued to

:42:26.:42:33.

follow this man will stop he will be described as a loan Wolf. Lone

:42:34.:42:37.

Wolves are never really lone wolves. There will be people in the

:42:38.:42:40.

community who knew he had been radicalised. People should stand up

:42:41.:42:45.

and those who were involved should be brought to justice. We know the

:42:46.:42:50.

police and MI5 cannot track everybody who has ever been on their

:42:51.:42:54.

radar. There are limits to their manpower and resources. There are,

:42:55.:43:00.

and the cuts to the police force are disgrace. They should not be any

:43:01.:43:03.

cuts to the security services because we are living in a dangerous

:43:04.:43:08.

world. It is interesting now that Islamic State have claimed

:43:09.:43:11.

responsibility, especially considering their prospects in last

:43:12.:43:14.

year said if you cannot get hold of a machine gun, the way to commit

:43:15.:43:17.

terror attack is to get hold of a car or get hold of a knife and that

:43:18.:43:24.

is what happened here yesterday. Although the Prime Minister said

:43:25.:43:27.

they are not going to raise the terror threat level, it is severe

:43:28.:43:31.

but they do not think any other attack is imminent, is that right? I

:43:32.:43:36.

will trust the Prime Minister on this. She was the Home Secretary for

:43:37.:43:39.

a number of years and she obviously knows things that are identical. I

:43:40.:43:43.

will say we did expect this to happen at some point. It was never a

:43:44.:43:48.

case of if, if it was always the case of when. Whenever we have this

:43:49.:43:53.

cancer in our society of radical Islam, it will happen again. It

:43:54.:43:55.

needs to be sorted out, it needs to be cut

:43:56.:44:16.

out of our society altogether and I hope the government start working on

:44:17.:44:18.

this quickly. You are talking in simplistic terms of cutting out a

:44:19.:44:21.

cancer. It is not that easy, surely? Is not easy but the Muslim community

:44:22.:44:24.

will know who these people are living amongst them. They need to

:44:25.:44:26.

step up to the plate and report them to the police as soon as possible.

:44:27.:44:29.

The government need some stringent action now. The first thing I would

:44:30.:44:32.

do is to ban the Saudi funding of mosques in this country. Paul

:44:33.:44:35.

Nuttall, leader of Ukip, thank you for your time. Let's talk to Gordon

:44:36.:44:39.

Correra, la security correspondent, who has the latest on

:44:40.:44:44.

this attack in Westminster. -- our security correspondent. What more is

:44:45.:44:51.

emerging on the attacker? We have had some important developments in

:44:52.:44:56.

the last hour. We have had IS, the so-called Islamic State, putting out

:44:57.:45:00.

a statement from its news agency, saying the individual was one of its

:45:01.:45:04.

soldiers responding to a call to carry out attacks. That does not

:45:05.:45:08.

necessarily mean they were in touch with him beforehand. This is a form

:45:09.:45:17.

of language they often used if someone was inspired by them or has

:45:18.:45:19.

pledged allegiance to them. It is still not entirely clear what that

:45:20.:45:21.

tells us about the international links but it hits with the picture

:45:22.:45:25.

we have learned from the authorities beforehand, that this was an

:45:26.:45:29.

individual linked to internationalist terrorism. The

:45:30.:45:32.

other significant element was from the Prime Minister, the statement

:45:33.:45:36.

that the individual who has not been named officially, was on the radar

:45:37.:45:42.

at one point of MI5. They come up in the periphery of the previous

:45:43.:45:46.

investigation some years ago, but the authorities are saying that does

:45:47.:45:50.

not mean they had any intelligence about the attempt to carry out this

:45:51.:45:52.

attack. Gordon, thank you very much indeed,

:45:53.:46:04.

our security correspondent there. Back here at Westminster we will

:46:05.:46:11.

talk to one of the MPs for London, for Hampstead and Kilburn, Tulip

:46:12.:46:14.

Siddique. Thank you for being with us. You were in the chamber for the

:46:15.:46:20.

debate on what happened yesterday, it seemed a very sombre mood but

:46:21.:46:25.

also quite a defiant mood, MPs wanted to show their work will

:46:26.:46:30.

continue as normal. That's right, it was a resilient debate, talking

:46:31.:46:34.

about how we want to make sure that we are public servants, we will not

:46:35.:46:39.

be deterred by acts of terrorism. We were elected by constituents to do a

:46:40.:46:42.

duty and nothing will stop us from doing that. You saw how the chamber

:46:43.:46:47.

was packed on a Thursday morning when most MPs will go back to their

:46:48.:46:51.

constituency, but we felt we wanted to come to Parliament to show the

:46:52.:46:57.

world it is business as usual. A lot of MPs are talking about security

:46:58.:47:01.

around the Palace of Westminster and maybe it needs to be looked at, at

:47:02.:47:04.

the same time they do not want it to become a fortress where they are

:47:05.:47:08.

kept away from the people who elected them. That's right and

:47:09.:47:11.

yesterday when we were locked up in the chamber for hours on end, as you

:47:12.:47:16.

are aware, there were schoolchildren in the Gallery thinking to cheer us

:47:17.:47:19.

up. They had come because they wanted to see the mother of

:47:20.:47:32.

Parliament, to see how democracy works, and we cannot stop that, we

:47:33.:47:35.

have to keep it open for people from across the country and London as

:47:36.:47:37.

well and back in the chamber today it felt like a real sense of unity,

:47:38.:47:40.

all the MPs were united in their purpose of serving the country,

:47:41.:47:42.

serving London and being resilient in the face of adversity. We have

:47:43.:47:45.

heard from the Prime Minister the attacker, it is believed, was

:47:46.:47:47.

British-born, on the radar of the security services are few years ago

:47:48.:47:51.

but was considered a peripheral figure. What are your thoughts? The

:47:52.:47:56.

Prime Minister talked about how he had committed these acts of -- he

:47:57.:48:03.

said he had committed these acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. B be

:48:04.:48:08.

clear he does not speak for the majority of Muslims like myself.

:48:09.:48:12.

Brendan Cox said something I agreed with, he said this man is no more

:48:13.:48:16.

representative of the Muslim community at Jo Cox's kilowatt of

:48:17.:48:23.

the Yorkshire community. This is one individual manipulating religion to

:48:24.:48:25.

suit his needs and we will not stand for that, and today I have had faith

:48:26.:48:29.

leaders from across Hampstead and Kilburn come to me and say, let's

:48:30.:48:39.

work together because we must make sure there is no backlash after this

:48:40.:48:42.

and we must stay united because we are all Londoners and proud to be

:48:43.:48:44.

Londoners. Thank you very much indeed, and speaking of Londoners

:48:45.:48:47.

there is a candlelit vigil this evening at Trafalgar Square, the

:48:48.:48:51.

mayor have announced, at 6pm for people to come and pay their

:48:52.:48:54.

respects to those who died yesterday and who were injured as well. The

:48:55.:48:59.

police investigation quickly getting into full swing right now into

:49:00.:49:03.

exactly what happened here yesterday, and to try to find out

:49:04.:49:07.

much more about the man who carried out the attack, who still is not

:49:08.:49:11.

being named, by the way. Annita McVeigh is at New Scotland Yard for

:49:12.:49:16.

us. Then, thank you. This is a huge

:49:17.:49:21.

operation, a very complex one, it is also about reassurance for the

:49:22.:49:24.

public and are highly visible presence on the streets of London.

:49:25.:49:30.

We know that six addresses were searched overnight, eight arrests,

:49:31.:49:34.

four of those in Birmingham, the Metropolitan Police also saying

:49:35.:49:38.

there has been activity at locations in forest gate in east London, we

:49:39.:49:43.

also know there was activity in Wales, Surrey and Sussex, in

:49:44.:49:47.

addition to that activity that we mentioned in Birmingham. The

:49:48.:49:53.

Assistant Commissioner of the Met, Craig Mackey, spoke outside New

:49:54.:49:56.

Scotland Yard earlier today, following a one-minute silence in

:49:57.:50:01.

memory of PC Keith Palmer, the officer who of course was murdered

:50:02.:50:06.

here yesterday at Westminster. In the Commons there have been many

:50:07.:50:10.

tributes to PC Palmer and MPs have been talking about their thoughts

:50:11.:50:15.

and feelings about the events of yesterday. Theresa May told MPs that

:50:16.:50:20.

the authorities knew the identity of the attacker but hadn't yet released

:50:21.:50:23.

this information. The man was British-born and had,

:50:24.:50:33.

some years ago, he was once investigated by MI5 in relation to

:50:34.:50:38.

concerns about violent extremism. He was a peripheral figure. The case is

:50:39.:50:43.

historic. He was not part of the current intelligence picture. There

:50:44.:50:47.

was no prior intelligence of his intent, or of the plot. Intensive

:50:48.:50:54.

investigations continue. And, as Acting Deputy Commissioner Roly

:50:55.:50:58.

confirmed last night, our working assumption is that the attacker was

:50:59.:51:04.

inspired by Islamist ideology. Mr Speaker, we know the threat from

:51:05.:51:09.

Islamist terrorism is very real, but while the public should remain

:51:10.:51:12.

utterly vigilant, they should not and will not be cowed by this

:51:13.:51:18.

threat. As Acting Deputy Commissioner Roly has made clear, we

:51:19.:51:24.

are stepping up policing to protect communities across the country and

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to reassure the public, and as a precautionary measure this will mean

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increasing the number of patrols in cities across the country with more

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police and more armed police on the streets. Since June 2013, our

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police, security and intelligence agencies have successfully disrupted

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13 separate terrorist plots in Britain. Following the 2015

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Strategic Defence and Security Review, we protected the police

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budgets for counterterrorism and committed to increase cross

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Government spending on counter terrorism by 30% in real terms over

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the course of this Parliament. And over

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the next five years we will invest an extra 2.5 billion in building our

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global security and intelligence network, employing over 1900

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additional staff at MI5, MI6, and GCHQ. And more than doubling our

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global network of counterterrorism experts working with priority

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countries across Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Mr Speaker,

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in terms of security here in Westminster, we should be clear

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first of all that an attacker attempted to break into Parliament

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and was shot dead within 20 yards of the gate. If his intention was to

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gain access to this building, we should be clear that he did not

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succeed. The police per row weekly did their job.

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Many MPs unable to fully disguise their emotions when speaking in the

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Commons today and among those was James Cleverly, the Conservative MP

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for Braintree, a long-time friend of the police officer, Keith Palmer,

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who was killed yesterday. The two had been in the army together in the

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Royal Artillery, they had known each other the 25 years, this is what he

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had to say. I would like to turn

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for a moment of PC Keith Palmer, who I first met 25 years ago

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as Gunner Keith Palmer at Headquarters Battery 100

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Regiment, Royal Artillery. He was a strong,

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professional public servant. And it was a delight to meet him

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here again only a few months Would my right honourable

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friend the Prime Minister, in recognition of the work

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that he did and that other police officers and public servants

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here in the house do, consider recognising his gallantry

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and sacrifice formally Well, we have learned today that the

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attacker was known to MI5, that he was an individual who had been, we

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are told, on the periphery of a previous investigation in the past

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but hadn't been on the radar in recent times, so we are waiting to

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learn more about who this individual was. The Prime Minister has said

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that the authorities do know his identity but are waiting, for

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reasons we haven't been told yet, to reveal that identity. They of course

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are looking into this individual's background, what his preparations

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might have been, whose his associates were, and we do expect to

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hear more about that later today, as of course this huge investigation

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continues while at the same time the members of the Metropolitan Police

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come to terms with the loss of one of their own in the line of duty.

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Coming up here on BBC News, we will have the BBC News at one with Sophie

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Rae with in Westminster, but first a look at the weather forecast.

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High pressure is approaching to bring many of us unsettled weather

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but we have still got rained out there, at the moment a lot of cloud

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in Southern counties and damp conditions already today. Rain and

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snow further note is petering out so increasing sunshine to end the day

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here, but in the south, despite the sunshine, there is a key

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north-easterly breeze, that tempers the feel, temperatures a bit below

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where they should be at this time of year, and for Devon, Cornwall, parts

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of Dorset, the rain will be on and off for much of the

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rest of the day and the evening. As you can see heading into the

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rush-hour period, Kens and 11s for most, having peaked at 12 or 13, but

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it will soon drop under clear skies, particularly across Northern

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Ireland, northern England and Scotland. Showery in the Northern

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Isles for the rest of today and overnight into tomorrow. A little

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bit of sunshine interspersed. But this is how we look at first this

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evening and then through the night time period, we keep all the cloud

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in southern areas and the breeze, elsewhere the frost will return more

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widely, a colder nights than the night just gone, temperatures down

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to -5, -6 in the highlands of Scotland, given that we have had a

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little rain and snow it could be icy there. Frost across northern part of

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England but for parts of Wales, the Midlands and East Anglia they could

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still be quite a bit of cloud in the morning and that cloud thickener for

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some rain in the south. Unlike today, the breeze should blow that

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are way more quickly and allow more such I did come through so on

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balance dry across the southern half of the country and brighter for the

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day on Friday, and therefore perhaps temperatures will be a little

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higher, but still with that keen wind which stays with us over the

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weekend. You can see the high pressure is established so it is dry

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for the majority but with the wind from the east, we

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will always be prone to rid feeling quite chilly, especially in the

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south of the country, as the air is still cold. To take a snapshot, high

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pressure in charge, this is how the weather looks in our capitals this

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weekend, pretty much the same across the board but the east coast might

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pick up more cloud into Sunday, but that is more a feature for next

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week. For most of us, the weekend is dry, warm sunshine by day, but still

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cold nights with some frost and even some folk. -- some fog.

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