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yesterday's attack and of course the loss of one of their own. That is | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
the latest from New Scotland Yard. We can hear the chimes of Big Ben | :00:00. | :00:18. | |
live from Westminster where an attack by a man thought to be | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
inspired by so-called Islamic State brought chaos and terror to the | :00:23. | :00:23. | |
heart of London yesterday. The man killed three people and left | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
29 others needing hospital treatment before being shot dead outside | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
the Houses of Parliament. Anti-terror police have not released | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
the attacker's name, but confirm they've made seven | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
arrests in raids around the UK. Hundreds of detectives have been | :00:40. | :00:46. | |
working through the night, and during that time I can confirm | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
we have searched six addresses London and other parts of | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
the country are continuing. In the past hour, the second victim | :00:52. | :01:05. | |
is named as mother Aysha Frade. She was reportedly on her way | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
to pick up her children from school. has been named as the police officer | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
who was killed. MPs held a minute's silence | :01:13. | :01:20. | |
to remember the victims. The Government's emergency Cobra | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
committee will meet later. The Prime Minister has left | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
Downing Street and will address the House | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
of Commons in around half an hour. Last night, she described the attack | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
as "sick and depraved." We will all move forward together, | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
never giving in to terror. And never allowing the voices | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
of hate and evil to drive us apart. Inside Parliament, staff, MPs and | :01:49. | :02:05. | |
peers return to work as normal in a calculated act of defiance, with | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
tributes to be lead shortly by the Prime Minister for those murdered in | :02:11. | :02:11. | |
yesterday's slaughter. Police have made their first arrests | :02:12. | :02:39. | |
in connection with the attack in Westminster in which four people | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
were killed, including the attacker. Raids were carried out in | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
Birmingham. Seven people have been arrested. | :02:48. | :02:48. | |
In the past half an hour, silences and prayers | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
were held in Parliament and at New Scotland Yard to reflect | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
Two people died when the attacker drove a car at pedestrians | :02:54. | :03:00. | |
One of the victims has been named this morning as Aysha Frade. | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
She's been described by her college principal | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
PC Keith Palmer was stabbed to death as he tried to stop the attacker | :03:09. | :03:17. | |
The suspect was then shot dead by plain-clothes police officers. | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
29 people are being treated in hospital, seven of them | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
The moment of the attack on Westminster Bridge. | :03:27. | :03:37. | |
On the right-hand side we see a car moving at speed along the pavement | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
in front of a slow-moving line of traffic. | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
A figure, we now know it is a woman, falls into the water. | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
And then panic as members of the public realise | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
A photograph shows the immediate aftermath. | :03:52. | :04:01. | |
An armed police officer stands poised over the attacker. | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
Under his foot is a knife and another knife is | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
The police officer stabbed to death was Keith Palmer, 48, | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
He was a member of the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Police Command. | :04:16. | :04:23. | |
A major terror investigation is under way in the capital | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
Overnight there was a raid on a flat in East Birmingham, | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
the area closed off for more than two hours. | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
Hundreds of detectives have worked through the night and we have | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
searched six addresses and made seven arrests. | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
The inquiries in Birmingham, London and other parts | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
It is our belief that this attacker acted alone and was inspired | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
They included mother of two Aysha Frade, a Spanish teacher who worked | :04:53. | :05:07. | |
at a college a few hundred metres away. | :05:08. | :05:08. | |
At least 29 others were wounded, seven are in critical condition. | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
The Prime Minister said parliament would meet as normal today. | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
She urged the people of London and its visitors to do the same. | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
And we will all move forward together. | :05:22. | :05:22. | |
And never allowing the voices of hate and evil to drive us apart. | :05:23. | :05:33. | |
Police have not named the attacker, but they believe | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
They are treating it as a case of Islamist-related terrorism. | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
My message to those who want to harm us and destroy our way of life | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
is you will not succeed, you will not divide us, | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
Overnight a show of solidarity from the French capital, | :05:49. | :05:56. | |
Paris, a city that has also suffered from the scourge of terrorism. | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
The lights of the Eiffel Tower were switched off. | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
The Prime Minister called the incident sick and depraved, | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
but the official terror alert level has not been raised. | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
The priority for the police now will be to find out | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
You can hear sirens going off and that is the sound that will | :06:14. | :06:32. | |
accompany London life for the rest of today and the next few days | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
possibly. It is really busy. The road behind me that leads to the | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
Palace of Westminster obviously that is cordoned off and completely empty | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
and it is normally a main thoroughfare. A high the camera, the | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
roads are jam-packed, because commuters, tourists and the like are | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
trying to find their way around London roads because so many in the | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
heart of the city are shut. We will now speak to a former | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
counterterrorism detective who was part of the 7/7 investigation. Also | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
Chris Carley, and a doctor from the counter extremism group Quilliam. I | :07:14. | :07:25. | |
want to talk about PC Keith Palmer. A 48-year-old officer with over a | :07:26. | :07:33. | |
decade of service, a husband and dad, an unarmed officer who tried to | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
stop the attacker. How do you pay tribute? He paid the ultimate | :07:38. | :07:48. | |
sacrifice. We should be thankful there are people like him who stand | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
in the way of a man who wanted to hurt many people. It is a tragic | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
event and the ultimate sacrifice that hopefully all police officers | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
hope they will never have too pay but he did his duty and it is a | :08:03. | :08:10. | |
great tragedy. What is the priority for officers in terms of the | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
investigation? The biggest thing to find out is to identify the man who | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
drove the car on the bridge, where the car came from. They believe they | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
know who he is and they believe he was acting alone. The next thing is | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
to find out where he lives and searches home and gain as much | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
intelligence from thereabout who he has been in contact with. He is | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
dead, there will be no criminal prosecution of him, the police will | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
look at his wider circle and who he has been associating with and see if | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
they can find evidence against those. Do you question how the | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
attacker could have got into Palace Yard? This is like a pedestrianised | :08:51. | :08:59. | |
area and a car park for members of Parliament. Surrounded by metal | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
fencing, but it appears he got through an unlocked gate, manned by | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
two unarmed officers and unlocked because it is in frequent use, I am | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
told. It is one of these bizarre things that happens. The individual | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
has moved rapidly and people would have been focused on what was going | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
on on the bridge and suddenly you have an individual moving at speed | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
through a gate that is open. It happens. Hard and fast and quickly, | :09:30. | :09:37. | |
that is how these events occur. I can bring in the doctor from counter | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
extremism group Quilliam. How does somebody become radicalised? The | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
core message that terrorist groups promote worldwide is that Muslims | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
are separate and Muslims need their own state and to live under their | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
own law and oh no allegiance for a garden -- Raiola no allegiance to | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
for example of British Governor -- payola no allegiance. | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
That is a basic message used to promote this kind of radicalisation. | :10:14. | :10:22. | |
The message from Al-Qaeda and IS in recent months has been to use | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
vehicles to cause carnage? We saw that in Nice and Berlin and we must | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
take that threat seriously. When they say it they mean it, to use | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
cars and trucks as murderous weapons. It is important to come | :10:39. | :10:46. | |
together. We are united as citizens of Britain and society is built on | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
trust, including that vehicles do not become weapons of murder. | :10:51. | :10:59. | |
Society is based on mutual trust and we must work harder on our sense of | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
shared values and what brings us together as a society and nation. If | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
people use vehicles as lethal weapons, how do you protect the | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
public? It is almost impossible. People walking across the bridge, | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
tourists, people going about their business and suddenly a car drives | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
down the pavement. Trying to stop it and mitigate against it is almost | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
impossible. Westminster Bridge is unusual. We have a lot of street | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
furniture. Lamp posts, rubbish bins, benches. Westminster Bridge is | :11:36. | :11:42. | |
unusual, there is nothing on it and if you have a long run of nothing | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
and can get a vehicle on a pavement with hundreds of people on the | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
pavement looking at Big Ben, if you get a vehicle up there there is a | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
free run. It is a weakness we need to identify. In mainland Europe, it | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
is low-grade attacks with knives, blunt weapons, cars and lorries and | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
that is where we need to invest our money. As a former counterterrorism | :12:08. | :12:17. | |
officer, for you, what security flaws have been exposed as a result | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
of the attack? I would not say it has exposed any flaws. It is | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
interesting to see where the vehicle hit the outer perimeter walls. Where | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
the hostile mitigation stops. When we look at security, it should be | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
based on how the response will kick in after. People say the gate was | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
open, but it is meant to be open for people to walk inside but the proof | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
of the response was when they dealt with the attacker, albeit he was | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
inside. There are no flaws. We can look back in hindsight. This morning | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
additional measures were taken down the road behind us. It will be | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
interesting to see where the barriers will be positioned through | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
the day. The acting Deputy Commissioner said there will be more | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
armed police on the streets. Something people will have to to get | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
used to for the short-term. We need to give support to officers. There | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
has been a lot of bad press about them walking out and buying | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
sandwiches in Tesco but these people are doing an important job and we | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
need full support behind them. Thanks. We can go to Birmingham now. | :13:31. | :13:39. | |
Police say they have made several arrests. Our correspondent is there. | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
I am in front of the flats where the arrests happened last night. The | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
brown door leads upstairs to two flats above a Persian restaurant. It | :13:52. | :14:00. | |
happened around 11pm in the busy Hagley Road. They closed it. People | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
in the restaurants and the shops and the pub at that time were told to | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
stay put. They were held on lockdown until about 1am when they were let | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
go. I have spoken to someone living in the neighbouring flat who took | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
pictures from his window. Around 11pm, two or three unmarked vehicles | :14:21. | :14:27. | |
pulled in and armed officers got out and went in through that door. Later | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
witnesses said they saw three people take it away. We have not had it | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
confirmed they were arrested but we are assuming that three people were | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
part of the investigations to which the Met police referred to today. | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
Several hours later, police officers brought out sealed boxes of evidence | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
from the flat. There is still police activity this morning with several | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
vehicles parked along the street. About an hour ago, a uniformed | :14:57. | :15:03. | |
officer and three plainclothes officers went back into the flats | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
and there is still clearly forensics work going on. There is another line | :15:08. | :15:16. | |
of enquiry in the West Midlands over towards Solihull, where it is | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
believed there is a link to a rental car company and the car involved in | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
the attack on Westminster Bridge yesterday. We do not have any of the | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
names of people taken out of that flat. Although we are in Edgbaston, | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
we are on the north side of Hagley Road, on the edge of Ladywood will | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
stop Edgbaston one of the most expensive places to live in the | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
city, Ladywood certainly one of the poorest districts in the whole | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
country. This is an area where you get people from different countries | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
living, a transient area with people coming and going all the time. | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
Neighbours I spoke to were not necessarily sure of who lived in the | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
flat that was the scene of investigations last night, and it | :16:04. | :16:11. | |
continues to be so today. Thank you. Phil Mackie reporting live from | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
Birmingham. BBC News live from Westminster. Yesterday an attack | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
paralysed the heart of government, as MPs and hundreds of government | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
officials were held in lockdown for hours in the House of Commons, and | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
yet this morning the House of Commons sits as normal, the usual | :16:29. | :16:36. | |
time at 930. Let me introduce you to two Labour MPs, Barbara Keeley and | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
Clive Lewis, and what do you think of that, the fact it was business as | :16:41. | :16:54. | |
usual at 9:30am today? It was very good. It was very moving. It sends | :16:55. | :17:04. | |
the right message that London carries on and business carries on | :17:05. | :17:15. | |
as usual. I would agree. It does send a clear message. Clearly there | :17:16. | :17:24. | |
is a tenseness, you can see the police helicopters and the police | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
presence. There was quiet and empty on the trends this morning but | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
people are going about their business. This reflects in what is | :17:31. | :17:32. | |
happening. A mum reportedly going to pick up | :17:33. | :17:55. | |
her kids from school. She's a normal woman trying to get on with her | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
life. Life.. Their parents must have been really worried about them. They | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
were fantastic in spirit. Sipping, wavings to us. It was great to have | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
them there. It is very important everything carries on as usual. | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
People still visit and London is open. But I think what we have to | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
reflect on is because of the police, they are our human shield and they | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
protect us so we can do this work as MPs that we are able to carry on. It | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
is very touching. I really feel for these guys this morning who've lost | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
one of their own and everybody in the Westminster village feels that. | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
It is very important we pay tribute, the most important people today are | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
the families of those victims. PC Keith Palmer and his family. | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
Important messages have come from people like Brendan Brendan Cox who | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
lost Jo last year. They've experienced the biggest loss. You're | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
on your way to the House of Commons now. We're expecting the Prime | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
Minister to give a statement in about ten minutes' or so time. | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
You'll be walking back up there into a street which is cordoned off. A | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
street which is quiet compared to a normal Thursday morning. What would | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
you like to hear from the Prime Minister this morning? She will pay | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
respects to those who've died. We will pay our respects in a minute's | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
silence. It is time to pause for reflection on the work the security | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
service do to protect us every day. They run towards shots. We run away | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
from them, if anything. Every day we're in there, we speak to these | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
people, talk to them, say good morning to them. I think, at the | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
back of your mind, you always know that something like this can happen. | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
At the back of your mind sub consciously. Today, a day we half | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
expected has occurred. I want to hear from the Prime Minister a | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
pause. I don't want to see a knee jerk reaction. Do you mean in terms | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
of security? I think so. Changing the way we live our lives? | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
Completely. I don't think we'd hear that today. It will be a reflection, | :20:03. | :20:09. | |
on update on the security situation, the investigation on the latest we | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
know that she can explain. I think she'll read the public mood which is | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
one of reflection and thinking about those who've lost their lives and | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
where we go from here in a positive and practical way. How important is | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
to you both as politicians that the House of Commons stays relatively | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
open? Clearly, there's airport-style security, concrete bollards outside. | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
All those things you'd expect. But it's full of members of the public | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
in there? That's right. The most important thing is we keep access. | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
We all though that was important after we lost Jo last year. We've | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
carried on with extra security. Seeing our constituents, doing our | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
campaigning work. It is important Parliament reflects the way wee | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
behave in our constituencies. We did have that cordon of police. Amazing | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
emergency services people. People ran over from St Thomas' Hospital. | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
We have remarkable capacity to cope. Westminster are a village. We'll | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
pull together. There is a really important message in the fact we're | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
back there this morning working. It is a balancing act. When people from | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
my constituency come down to visit, I say, this is your place. It is a | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
people's palace. We work here but you own it. That mustn't change. | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
We've already seen changing over the years from very little security. We | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
now see bollards, gates, armed police which are there permanently | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
now. We've seen chose changing. If there needs for a few changes, | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
that's acceptable. But the principle of people being able to come in as | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
the public and enjoy what is their palace is right and proper. That | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
needs to happen. Thank you very much. I better let you go. Two | :21:54. | :22:01. | |
Labour MPs on their way to the House of Commons to hear Theresa May | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
before she gives her statement to the Commons and tries to sum up the | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
mood of a nation, as well as paying tribute to those who lost their | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
lives, including 48-year-old PC Keith Palmer who we know was a | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
husband, a dad, who'd served in the Metropolitan Police for over ten | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
years. We'll take you live to the House of Commons, of course, at | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
10.30 as you'd expect ahead of that statement from Theresa May. We can | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
talk now to the former Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone. Who was the | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
mayor during the 7/7 attacks. What's your attitude this morning? The | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
important thing is Londoners shouldn't Czech the way we live our | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
lives or turn against each other. That's what the terrorists want. | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
More security, more surveillance, all that can go over the top. The | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
simple fact is we stop almost every terrorist attack. Only about one | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
every three or four years gets through. We've very good Sir | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
veilance. A terrorist like this, most probably an individual acting | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
on their own, it is very difficult to get hold of them. Most of the | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
terror attacks have been that. An individual. Not someone taking | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
direct orders from Isis in Afghanistan or something. We heard | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
from Mark Rowley, Acting Deputy Commissioner for the Metropolitan | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
Police, since the killing of Lee Rigby outside his barracks in May | :23:40. | :23:46. | |
2013, the Metropolitan Police counter-terrorism officers have | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
thwart 13 terrorists attacks. Potential terrorist attacks. It's | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
important to keep perspective, isn't it? Absolutely. It was very much | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
like that in the immediate aftermath of the terrorist attacks in 2005. | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
The police were still able to stop two or three attempts a year. It | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
isn't justice lambic fundamentalists. We found extreme | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
far right groups that were stockpiling weapons and things like | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
that. We've been able to stop them as well. I'm going to bring in | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
Jackaway Puttnam. Come round here. Come in. Jackie is a survivor of the | :24:22. | :24:32. | |
London bombings in July 2005. Goodness, how were you feeling | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
yesterday? Terrible. I was working not too far from here. Saw it on the | :24:36. | :24:46. | |
news. And it felt as if it was happening again. What I was thinking | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
was what I'm sure lots of us were thinking, which was oh, no, not | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
again. It surprised me because we're 11 years on. You think you're doing | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
fine, everything's wonderful, you've got it all under control. Then it | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
takes the legs out from under you again. I know that you're on a | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
WhatsApp group with other survivors from 7/7. I'm guessing there were | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
messages going around amongst you? Absolutely. Everyone wanted to check | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
where everyone was. Is everyone OK. People were posting in, yes, I'm | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
feeling like this. The warmth of it was tremendous. It made such a | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
difference to know there were people who were... It was like, just the | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
comfort of it. Support group. It was huge. I'm hearing police are now | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
saying they have made eight arrests. We were reporting earlier it was | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
seven. We're told from the Metropolitan Police they have made | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
eight arrests in connection with what happened at Westminster | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
yesterday. Jackie, you're back here today. You work not far from here. | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
You're here. That's an amazing thing? Well, it's a fight I fight | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
every day. Really? Some days are worse than others. Most day are | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
fine. The first battle I had to fight was get back on the | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
Underground. I needed to take control back. Decisions I wanted to | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
make about my life were my decisions to make not anyone else's. So I had | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
to get that back. It's taken a very long time. You do it to begin with | :26:30. | :26:37. | |
minute by minute. Those minutes get longer. There is help. There is | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
tremendous amount of help out there. Can I mention Tim, Harry Jonathan | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
bawl foundation for peace who specialise in - they were formed | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
after the Warrington bombings by Colin and Wendy Parry. They support | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
people who've suffered from terrorism and support the families. | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
There is support out there for people who suffered yesterday. In | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
terms of your psychological recovery from that day back in 2005 to now, | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
where would you say, Jackie, if you don't mind me asking, you are at? | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
I'm functioning. There are days when obviously there's a lot of time when | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
you don't think about it. Times like yesterday, when it suddenly seems as | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
if it wasn't ten years ago, it's still going on. It's, time | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
telescopes for you in those moments. I have to say, when the survivors | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
meet and get together we don't talk about it unless somebody's having a | :27:43. | :27:51. | |
bad time. It's not a hug-fest have you see what I mean. We meet for | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
drinks, males, go to weddings. Babies have been born. It's | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
wonderful. They're my second family. They're my extended family. It's | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
about the future. It's not about what happened. But it's a long road. | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
A long road to travel. There are people who suffer terribly | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
yesterday. My heart goes out to them. The families. There is support | :28:16. | :28:25. | |
there. Post-traumatic stress cannot necessarily kick in straightaway. | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
You may think you're fine. Sometimes it can take years. But then you do | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
get the effects and it is, there is help out there. You don't have to | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
live with it the way soldiers used to in the past. There's help and it | :28:40. | :28:49. | |
can be, my therapist says it can be fixed. We're competingness against | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
the helicopter above us. What happened here will be reported | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
aren't the world. The iconic Big Ben, the palace of Westminster, | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
Westminster Bridge, those images have gone around the world, of | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
course. London is safe. That is the message that has to be got out | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
there? It axe luteally is. My parents went through the Second | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
World War. The Nazis were bombing London, killing hundreds of people | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
every night. It didn't break our will. We went on to defeat them. No | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
amount of attacks here can change the way we are or, in the end, | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
defeat us. What are you expecting to hear? What do you want to hear from | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
the Prime Minister when she makes her statement in the Commons? The | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
most important thing is to look at the success in the aftermath of the | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
7 selfen bombings. Not a single Muslim was attacked. No police | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
record of a single incident. What the Muslims who did that attack | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
wanted, was us to attack Muslims, divide us. There was no recorded | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
incidence. No-one daubed a mosque or anything. That's the important | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
thing. We stand together. People who come to our country come because of | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
our values, freedom and democracy. Not to change it. We're seeing live | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
pictures of the House of Commons now. We are expecting to hear from | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
the Prime Minister, Theresa May, very shortly. As soon as she begins | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
speaking, of course, you will be able to hear what she says live. | :30:20. | :30:28. | |
Jackie, thanks for talking to us and Ken Livingstone, former Mayor of | :30:29. | :30:35. | |
London, the mayor of this capital city during the July the 7th | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
bombings in 2005. We expect the Prime Minister to speak in the next | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
minute. Norman Smith, from what Theresa May said last night, she is | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
in defiant made? She is and it is striking that the Commons chamber is | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
more full than often on Thursday mornings when it can be relatively | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
quiet and that reflects the fact many MPs deliberately want to be | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
seen to be there as there being reports of MPs cancelling trips away | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
to make sure they can be their for the statement from Theresa May and | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
just to show Parliament continues despite yesterday's outrage. The | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
only difference was the minute's silence, beginning with the division | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
bell sounding so that everyone in the Palace of Westminster knew it | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
was about to take place. We went into questions to Liam Fox, who made | :31:35. | :31:42. | |
opening remarks about how the attack underlined the need for MPs and | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
people who work here to reaffirm the values of democracy and then we were | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
straight into business as usual with questions about trade with Israel, | :31:52. | :31:58. | |
what it will mean if we leave the EU and rely on WTO terms. I think Mrs | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
May is coming into the chamber to make a statement. A police officer, | :32:03. | :32:11. | |
PC Keith Palmer, was killed defending us, defending Parliament, | :32:12. | :32:18. | |
and defending Parliamentary democracy. Arrangements have been | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
made for books of condolence in the library and Westminster Hall. Our | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
hearts go out to all those directly and indirectly touched by | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
yesterday's events. I should like to thank all colleagues, staff of the | :32:36. | :32:45. | |
house, and members' staff for their forbearance in stressful | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
circumstances yesterday. Naturally, the Parliamentary security | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
authorities have taken measures to ensure Parliament is safe in the | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
light of the attack. In due time, the commission that I chair will | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
consider together with our Lord's counterparts what sort of review of | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
lessons learned would be appropriate. However, let the | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
security personnel who protect us, police security officers and | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
doorkeepers, be in no doubt whatsoever as to our profound | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
appreciation of the way in which they discharged their duties | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
yesterday. Matched by other staff of the house. That means that this | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
morning, the house has been able to resume its business undeterred. | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
Border. Statement, the Prime Minister. Mr | :33:48. | :33:57. | |
Speaker, yesterday, an act of terrorism tried to silence our | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
democracy. But today we meet as normal. As generations have done | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
before us and as future generations will continue to do, to deliver a | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
simple message. We are not afraid. Our resolve will never waver in the | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
face of terrorism. We meet here in the oldest of all parliaments | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
because we know democracy and the values it entails will always | :34:25. | :34:32. | |
prevail. Those values, free speech, liberty, human rights and the rule | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
of law are embodied here in this place. That they are shared by free | :34:39. | :34:44. | |
people around the world. A terrorist came to the place where people of | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
all nationalities and cultures gather to celebrate what it means to | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
be free and he took out his rage indiscriminately against innocent | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
men, women and children. This was an attack on free people everywhere. | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
And on behalf of the British people, I would like to thank our friends | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
and allies around the world who have made it clear they stand with us at | :35:11. | :35:18. | |
this time. What happened on the streets of Westminster yesterday | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
sickened us all. While there is an ongoing police investigation, the | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
house will understand there are limits to what I can say, but having | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
been updated by police and security officials, let me set out what I can | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
tell the House at this stage. At 2:40pm yesterday, a single attacker | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
drove his vehicle at speed into innocent pedestrians crossing | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
Westminster Bridge, killing two people and injuring around 40 more. | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
In addition to 12 Britons admitted to hospital, we know the victims | :35:54. | :36:01. | |
include three French children, two Romanians, four South Koreans, one | :36:02. | :36:08. | |
German, one Polish person, one Irish, one Chinese, one Italian, one | :36:09. | :36:14. | |
American and two Greeks and we are in contact with the countries of | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
those affected. The injured included three police officers who were | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
returning from an event to recognise their bravery. Two of those three | :36:25. | :36:30. | |
remain in a serious condition. The attacker then left the vehicle and | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
approached a police officer at carriage Gates, attacking the | :36:36. | :36:37. | |
officer with a large knife before he was shot dead by an armed police | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
officer. Tragically, 48-year-old PC Keith Palmer was killed. PC Palmer | :36:45. | :36:52. | |
had devoted his life to the service of his country. He had been a member | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
of the Parliamentary and diplomatic protection command for 15 years and | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
a soldier in the Royal Artillery before that. He was a husband and | :37:02. | :37:08. | |
father, killed doing a job he loved. He was every inch a hero. His | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
actions will never be forgotten. I know the house will join me in | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
sending our deepest condolences to his family and to the families and | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
friends of those killed or injured in yesterday's awful attacks. I know | :37:26. | :37:31. | |
also that house will wish to thank those who acted with such speed and | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
professionalism to secure this place and ensure we are able to meet as we | :37:37. | :37:44. | |
are doing today. At 7:30pm, I chaired a meeting of the emergency | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
committee Cobra and will have further briefings and meetings with | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
security today. The threat level to the UK is set that severe, meaning | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
attack is highly likely for sometime. This is the second-highest | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
threat level. The highest level, critical, means there is specific | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
intelligence and attack is imminent. As there is no such intelligence, | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
the independent joint terrorism analysis centre has decided the | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
threat level will not change the light of the attack yesterday. The | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
whole country will want to know who was responsible for this atrocity | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
and the measures we are taking to strengthen security, including here | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
in Westminster. A counterterrorism investigation is already under way. | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
Hundreds of police and security officers have been working through | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
the night to establish everything possible about the attack, including | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
its preparation, motivation and whether there were any associates | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
involved in its planning. While there remained limits on what I can | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
say at this stage, I can confirm overnight police have searched six | :38:56. | :39:03. | |
addresses and made eight at -- arrests in Birmingham and London. It | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
is believed still he acted alone and police have no reason to believe | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
there are further imminent attacks on the public. His identity is known | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
to the police and MI5 and when operational considerations allow, he | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
will be publicly identified. I can confirm he was British-born and | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
that, some years ago, he was once investigated by MI5 in relation to | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
concerns about violent extremism. He was a peripheral figure. The case is | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
historic. He was not part of the current intelligence picture. There | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
was no prior intelligence of his intent or of the plot. Intensive | :39:46. | :39:53. | |
investigations continue. As Acting Deputy Commissioner confirmed last | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
night, our working assumption is the attacker was inspired by Islamist | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
ideology. We know the threat from Islamist terrorism is very real, but | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
while the public should remain vigilant, they should not and will | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
not be cowed by this threat. As Acting Deputy Commissioner has made | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
clear, we are stepping up policing to protect communities across the | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
country and to reassure the public and as a precautionary measure this | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
will mean increasing the number of patrols in cities across the country | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
with more police and armed police on the streets. Since June 2013, our | :40:32. | :40:39. | |
police, security and intelligence agencies have successfully disrupted | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
13 separate terrorist plots in Britain. Following the 2015 | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
strategic defence and security review, we protected police budgets | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
for counterterrorism and committed to increase spending on | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
counterterrorism by 30% in real terms over the course of this | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
Parliament and over the next five years we will invest an extra 2.5 | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
billion in building the global security and intelligence network, | :41:07. | :41:14. | |
employing 1900 additional staff at MI5 and MI6 and GCHQ and doubling | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
our global network of experts working with priority countries in | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia. In terms of security in | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
Westminster, we should be clear first of all that an attacker | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
attempted to break into Parliament and was shot dead within 20 yards of | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
the gate. If his intention was to gain access to this building, we | :41:39. | :41:44. | |
should be clear he did not succeed. The police heroically did their job. | :41:45. | :41:52. | |
But as is routine, the police together with the house authorities | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
are reviewing security of the Parliamentary estate with the | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
Cabinet Office, who have responsibility for the security | :42:01. | :42:07. | |
measures in place. All of us in this house have a responsibility for the | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
security and safety of staff and advice is available for members who | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
need it. Yesterday we saw the worst of humanity, but we will remember | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
the best. We will remember the extraordinary efforts to save the | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
life of PC Keith Palmer, including those by my right honourable friend, | :42:26. | :42:32. | |
the member for Bournemouth East. And we will remember the exceptional | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
bravery of our police, security and emergency services, who once again | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
ran towards the danger, even as they encouraged others to move the other | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
way. On behalf of the whole country, I want to pay tribute to them for | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
the work they have been doing to reassure the public, treat the | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
injured, and bring security back to the streets of our capital city. | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
That they have lost one of their own in the attack only makes their | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
calmness and professionalism all the more remarkable. A lot has been said | :43:04. | :43:12. | |
since Terra struck London yesterday, much more will be said in the coming | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
days. But the greatest response lies not in the words of politicians, but | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
in the everyday actions of ordinary people. Beyond these walls today, in | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
scenes repeated in towns and cities across the country, millions of | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
people are going about their days and getting on with their lives. The | :43:33. | :43:39. | |
streets are as busy as ever, offices full and shops bustling. Millions | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
will be boarding trains and aeroplanes to travel to London and | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
see for themselves the greatest city on earth. It is in these actions, | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
millions of acts of normality, we find the best response to terrorism. | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
A response that denies enemies their victory, that refuses to let them | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
win. That shows we will never give in. A response driven by that same | :44:03. | :44:11. | |
spirit that drove a husband and father to put himself between us and | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
our attacker and to pay the ultimate price. A response that says to the | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
men and women who propagate this hate and evil, you will not defeat | :44:23. | :44:28. | |
us. Mr Speaker, let this be the message from this house and this | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
nation today, our values will prevail. And I commend this | :44:34. | :44:41. | |
statement to the house. Order, colleagues, I am advised we | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
have been joined today by French Foreign Minister who is accompanied | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
by a number of his colleagues and also by the Deputy Foreign Secretary | :44:53. | :45:00. | |
of the right honourable gentleman, sir, we appreciate your presence and | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
you're very fitting display of solidarity with us. Mr Jeremy | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
Corbyn. I'd like to associate myself with | :45:08. | :45:19. | |
the Prime Minister's remarks that she's just made. What happened | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
yesterday within metres of where we sit now was an appalling atrocity. | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
The police are still piecing together what took place. And what | :45:28. | :45:34. | |
lay behind it. It behoves us all not to rush to judgment but to wait for | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
the police to establish the facts, to stay united in our communities | :45:40. | :45:47. | |
and not allow fear or the voices of hatred to divide or cower us. Today, | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
we're united by our humanity and by our democratic values. And by that | :45:54. | :46:01. | |
human impulse of solidarity. To stand together in times of darkness | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
and adversity. Mr Speaker, I expressed my condolences to the | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
family and friends of police officer Keith Palmer who gave his life | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
yesterday in defence of the public and of our democracy we thank the | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
police and security personnel who keep us safe every day on this | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
estate. We especially pay tribute to the bravery of those who took action | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
to stop the perpetrator of yesterday's assault. The police and | :46:33. | :46:39. | |
security staff lost a colleague yesterday and continue to fulfil | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
their duties despite their shock and their grief for their fall yep | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
colleague which many expressed to me late last night when he was talking | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
to them. We see the police and security every day. They are our | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
colleagues, fellow workers, they are friends and neighbours. As the Prime | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
Minister said, when dangerous and violent incidents take place, we all | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
instinctively run away from them for our own safety. The police and | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
emergency services run towards them. We are grateful for the public | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
service yesterday, today and every day that they pull on their uniforms | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
to protect us all. I want also, Mr Speaker, to express our admiration | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
to the honourable member for Bournemouth East whose efforts | :47:27. | :47:28. | |
yesterday deserve special commendation. He used his skill to | :47:29. | :47:34. | |
try and safe life. Innocent people were killed yesterday walking across | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
Westminster Bridge. As many millions of Londoners and tourists have | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
before them and as all of us in this chamber have. As the Prime Minister | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
said, the injured include people of ten nationalities. We send our | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
deepest condolences to their loved once and the loved ones of those | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
still in a very critical condition, including the French schoolchildren | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
so welcome in our capital visiting yesterday from corn co-in Britney. | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
We send our sympathies to them and the people in their town and | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
community. We thank all the dedicated National Health Service | :48:18. | :48:20. | |
staff working to save lives, including all those from St Thomas' | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
Hospital who rushed out O'Straight over to the scene of the incident to | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
try and support and save lives. Many people, Mr Speaker, will have been | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
totally traumatised by yesterday's awful events. Not joust all of us | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
here but watching on television worried for the safety of their | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
friends and loved ones. I ask in this House and the country, please, | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
look after each other. Help one another and think of one another. It | :48:50. | :48:56. | |
is by demonstrating our values solidarity, community, humanity and | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
love, that we will defeat the poison and division of hatred. | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
THE SPEAKER: Prime Minister. First of all may I join the right | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
honourable gentleman in expressing our gratitude to the support and | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
solidarity the French Government have shown us at this time, like | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
other countries on the continent, France itself felt the horror and | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
trauma of terrible terrorist attacks. We're grateful to the | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
French Government for the support they've shown us. The right | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
honourable gentleman is right in his description of the police officers. | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
Every day when they put on that uniform, they don't know what they | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
are going to confront in the course of their duties that day. It is a | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
fact often forgotten when people see the police officer walking on the | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
streets that actually, they do put their lives on the line for our | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
safety and security. They show enormous bravery. We are grateful to | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
them all. We're also grateful, as the right honourable gentleman said, | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
to all those from the emergency services. To those from the | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
hospitals who, and others, who rushed forward to give aid and | :50:07. | :50:09. | |
support to those who had been injured at a time when they knew not | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
what else might be happening in the vicinity and whether they might, | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
themselves, be in danger. Finally, as the right honourable gentleman | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
says, at this time, it is so important we show that it is our | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
values that will prevail. That the terrorists will not win. That we | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
will go about our lives showing that unity of purpose and the values that | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
we share as one nation going forward and ensuring that the terrorists | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
will be defeated. THE SPEAKER: Mr Dominic Greave. I | :50:44. | :50:50. | |
join with my right honourable friend with everyone she said in respect of | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
the deaths and injuries that have taken place. I join with her sending | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
our condolences to the families and also to the injured. My right | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
honourable friend has set exactly the right tone. Those of us who are | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
privy to the information and background of these matters know | :51:11. | :51:17. | |
very well that it is has been little short of a miracle over the course | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
of the last few years we have escaped so lightly from the evil | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
that is, I'm afraid, present in our society and manfests itself in these | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
senseless and hideous acts of violence and evil. We have been very | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
fortunate in that our security services have been immensely | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
diligent and helpful in preventing such attacks. But she may agree with | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
me that the house is going to have to simply be resolute in accepting | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
that such attacks cannot always be prevented. And that we have as a | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
society to accept we are going to have to fight this evil with | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
rational, democratic principles in order to get rid of it and that | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
there are in reality no short cuts that will ever enable us to do that. | :52:05. | :52:13. | |
THE SPEAKER: Prime Minister. I absolutely agree with my right | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
honourable friend. He refers to the number of plots which have been | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
disrupted in recent years. It is easy to forget that when the threat | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
level is at severe, what that means is an attack is highly likely. It is | :52:28. | :52:31. | |
not possible. We live in a free and open country, we live in a | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
democracy. It's not possible to ensure, as he says, that we can | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
prevent any attack from taking place but we can work as hard as our | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
security services and police do, precisely to try to prevent attacks | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
from taking place. They have worked hard. They have been doing a good | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
job and they continue to do a good job in keeping us safe and will do | :52:56. | :53:01. | |
so into the future. If we are to defeat this evil, my right | :53:02. | :53:04. | |
honourable friend is right. We'll defeat it through our democracy and | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
our values. We must defeat, of course, the terrible ideology which | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
leads people to conduct these terrible attacks. May I begin by | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
associating myself and my Ron Habel and right honourable colleagues with | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
everything that has been said by the Prime Minister, the leader of the | :53:24. | :53:29. | |
Labour Party and by you, Mr Speaker. Today of all days, we are reminded | :53:30. | :53:35. | |
notwithstanding our difficulties on political and constitutional issues | :53:36. | :53:41. | |
we, we are as one in democracy, the rule of law and harmonies between | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
people of all faiths and none. May I begin personally by wishing the Home | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
Secretary and Prime Minister well as they deal on our behalf with the | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
aftermath of the appalling indiscriminate terrorist act | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
yesterday. Our hearts go out to the family, friends and colleagues of PC | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
Keith Palmer and all other casualties. We are hugely grateful | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
to all police, security and intelligence staff and first | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
responders who ran towards danger without western for their own | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
safety. I include our colleague Tobias Ellwood. Today is not a day | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
for detailed questions. Will the Prime Minister accept on behalf of | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
the Scottish National Party and no doubt every member of this House, | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
our huge debt of gratitude to all police and security agency staff who | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
are working so hard to keep everyone in the country safe. Does she agree | :54:38. | :54:44. | |
with me, no terrorist outrage is representative of any faith or of | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
any faith community and we recommit ourselves to strengthening the bonds | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
of tolerance and understanding? Finally s it not best to follow the | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
advice of Brendan Cox, the husband of our murdered MP colleague Jo Cox, | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
who has said in the days to come, I hope we will remember the love and | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
bravery of the victim not just the hatred and cowardice of the | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
attacker. May I thank the right honourable gentleman for his words. | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
He absolutely correct. Now is a time for us to come together to promote | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
those values of tolerance and understanding he has referred to. To | :55:25. | :55:30. | |
recognise that what motivates the terrorist is a warped ideology and a | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
desire to destroy the values that we share and the values that underpins | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
our democracy. Those values of the rule of law of human rights, of | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
tolerance and understanding and democracy itself. We should be at | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
one in ensuring those values prevail. Finally, as he says, we | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
should remember the bravery of the victims and the bravery of those who | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
keep us safe day in and day out. THE SPEAKER: Mr Iain Duncan Smith. | :56:02. | :56:08. | |
Mr Speaker, may I commend my right honourable friend's powerful | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
statement. I add my prayers to those of hers for those who have died and | :56:13. | :56:18. | |
who are suffering. Also, particularly, for Keith Palmer, our | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
wonderful and brave police officer. We have faced such threats before. | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
By those of twisted and violent ideologies and the broken stones of | :56:29. | :56:34. | |
the arch that we enter through on a daily basis bear testament to time | :56:35. | :56:36. | |
and again. They have failed. They will always fail because we are a | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
beacon of freedom in this place. That is why they target us. But as | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
they fail, may I urge my right honourable friend to ensure that as | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
we extoll our righteous defiance in the face of such evil, we also lace | :56:51. | :56:57. | |
it with compassion, tolerance and hope. Well, I absolutely share the | :56:58. | :57:04. | |
thoughts that my right honourable friend has set out. He is right, | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
this place is a beacon of freedom. We should never forget that. We | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
should be absolutely resolute in our determination to defeat this evil. | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
But we should also be optimistic and hopeful for our democracy and our | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
society in the future. THE SPEAKER: Mr Tim Farron. Thank | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
you. Can I thank the Prime Minister for her statement and early sight of | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
it. Can I also thank her for her words from the steps of 10 Downing | :57:34. | :57:39. | |
Street last Knight. They were unifying and defiance. She did speak | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
for us all. We know the police keep us safe. Yesterday, in the most | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
shocking of ways, we saw how true that really is. In my prayers are | :57:48. | :57:54. | |
Keith Palmer, his family and all the victims of yesterday's outrage. They | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
will continue to be there. We are beyond thankful to the police, the | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
NHS, emergency services, actually, to the staff of this House in | :58:02. | :58:08. | |
keeping us safe and being so utterly dedicated to their roles. Those who | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
attack us hate our freedom, our peaceful democracy, our love of | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
country, our tolerance, openness and unity. As we work to unravel how | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
this unspeakable attack happened, will she agree with me that we must | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
not, either in our laws or by our actions curtail these values. | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
Indeed, we should have more of them. I thank the right honourable | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
gentleman for his comments. He is right, of course, as others have | :58:40. | :58:44. | |
said, we should ensure that our values, those values of democracy | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
and tolerance, freedom prevail, it is those values which the terrorists | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
are trying to attack. It is our very way of life that they wish to | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
destroy. That is why it is so important out there, those millions | :58:59. | :59:02. | |
of citizens going about their lives as they would do normally showing, | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
in the very smallst of ways, but each of every one of them, a | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
defiance of the terrorists. THE SPEAKER: Mark Field. Whilst the | :59:11. | :59:15. | |
dreadful events of yesterday took place within the boundaries of my | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
own constituency, the Palace of Westminster is close to the hearts | :59:21. | :59:26. | |
of not just the 650 of us but many millions of our country men and | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
people who live abroad. May I thank the Prime Minister for speaking so | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
eloquently for our nation on the steps of Downing Street yesterday | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
and in the House today. She reminds us all the greatest tribute we | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
collectively can pay to those so tragically murdered is to ensure we | :59:44. | :59:47. | |
go about our business as normally as possible and maintain the values and | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
liberties our forefathers have fought so hard to win on our behalf. | :59:52. | :59:58. | |
I agree with my honourable friend. It is so important we continue to | :59:59. | :00:07. | |
show that we, not just value but espouse in every action embody those | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
pre-Domes and liberties. Those freedoms were hard fought. There are | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
parts of this palace where there have been many arguments in the past | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
about those very freedoms and liberties. We must ensure that they | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
remain and that we show in our actions in our deeds and in our | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
words that they remain at the heart of our democracy. | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
Can I thank the Prime Minister for her words here today and also her | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
words on the steps of Downing Street yesterday. At this very difficult | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
and important time she spoke froth all, so I thank her for that. We are | :00:49. | :00:58. | |
so proud of the bravery of PC Keith Palmer, so grateful for what he did | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
to keep us safe and I would like to add my tribute to all the policing | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
here at Westminster and the parliamentary staff who acted with | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
such calmness and professionalism yesterday, and I would like to pay | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
tribute to the emergency trauma team at Kings College Hospital who are | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
caring the injured. This was an horrific crime and it has cost lives | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
and caused injury, but as an act of terror, it has failed. It has failed | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
because we are here and we are going to go about our business. It has | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
failed because despite the trauma that they witnessed outside their | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
windows, our staff are here and they are getting on with their work. It | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
failed because as the Prime Minister so rightly said, we are not going to | :01:47. | :01:53. | |
allow this to be used as a pretext for division, hatred and | :01:54. | :02:06. | |
Islamophobia. This democracy is strong and this Parliament is | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
robust. This was an horrific crime but as an act of terror, it has | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
failed. The right honourable lady speaks very well and I utterly agree | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
with the words she has spoken. Some of us were present 38 years ago and | :02:16. | :02:24. | |
where nearby when Airey Neave was murdered. The message then was not | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
to condemn a whole group of people. The message I got from my imam was | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
we will always be with those who work for peace. Can I suggest we try | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
and disappoint those who try to calculate the publicity will work in | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
their favour and make sure we work together to disappoint them? My | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
honourable friend makes a very important point. The Metropolitan | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
Police are bringing a number of faith leaders together for a meeting | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
with them today to show the importance of that coming together | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
of faith leaders, and they are, of course, working with communities up | :02:57. | :03:12. | |
and down the country both to reassure, because there will be | :03:13. | :03:13. | |
communities concerned about the possible reaction, that might take | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
place, to reassure those communities, the job of the police | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
is to keep us all safe. Ed Miliband. Can I join others in commending the | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
prime Mr for her statement last night and today. In her tone and | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
substance she has spoken for the whole country and I commend her for | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
it. Can I also echoed those who have said that we must not allow in the | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
coming days and weeks, anyone to try and divide our country on the basis | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
of faith or nationality after these attacks, because the reality is, but | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
across London, across the country, we are a country united against | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
these attacks. That is who we are. The right honourable gentleman was | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
absolutely right. The country is united. People of all faiths and | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
none are going about their business in defiance of the terrorists. They | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
have a very clear message, they will not be cowed and this is a message | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
the House gives very clearly today, that this country will not be cowed | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
by these terrorists. Theresa Villiers. I to send my | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
sympathies to all those bereaved in yesterday's horrific attack. | :04:23. | :04:46. | |
And as we reflect on what happened, is it time to consider whether the | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
police who guard sensitive sites known to be of interest to | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
terrorists, like Parliament or a airport is, should routinely carry | :04:53. | :04:53. | |
personal protection weapons, even when those offices are not part of | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
the units formerly tasked with armed response? Over the 20 years since I | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
have been in this House, the level of security has been enhanced | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
significantly and the number of offices on the parliamentary estate | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
has been enhanced significantly. As to whether offices are routinely | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
armed, that is an operational matter for the police themselves. They are | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
the best able to judge the circumstances in which it is best | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
for individuals to have those arms. But of course, we have seen a | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
significant increase in the number of armed response vehicles, | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
specialist firearms officers and counterterrorism officers. It is a | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
sad reflection that it is necessary to do that. The question that my | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
right honourable friend specifically raises is really an operational | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
matter for the police. Mr Nigel Dodds. Can I to commend the prime Mr | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
for her words last evening and today and she spoke for the entire | :05:48. | :05:54. | |
country. PC Keith Palmer was and is, and his colleagues are the reason we | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
are here today and any other day, and he embodied the rule of law | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
which we stand for. He stood in harms way for all of us and we | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
remember and pray for his family and all those victims who suffered | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
yesterday and the Arriva. We must remember as well the bravery and | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
always will of the emergency services and the parliamentary | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
staff, and the decency of the ordinary members of the public who | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
rushed to help and our right honourable friend, the member for | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
Bournemouth East. We must uphold the values of this place. The democratic | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
values we have learned in Northern Ireland, is the way to overcome | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
terrorism is working together politically and in every other way | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
to ensure that our democratic values, the rule of law, human | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
rights are all upheld in every way that they can and we must rededicate | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
ourselves to that in the future. I absolutely agree with the right | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
honourable gentleman. We are able to be here today because of the bravery | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
of our police officers. He also refers rightly to mothers of the | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
emergency services and the public and the staff of this House and | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
Parliament, who calmly went about their job to end sure that everybody | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
was safe yesterday. And as he has said, and he has referred to the | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
experience in Northern Ireland, the way to defeat terrorism is by | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
working together and by upholding our democratic values. | :07:27. | :07:35. | |
As a backbencher is seems to me that both the Prime Minister and the | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
leaders of the opposition parties have set exactly the right tone | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
today and proven it is values which unite this kingdom. When this | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
chamber was completely destroyed in the war, Mr Churchill and Mr Attlee | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
decided not a single day would pass without us carrying on our work. The | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
Prime Minister showed today and her opposite number has shown today that | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
the best way to defeat terrorism is to prove that we will not be moved | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
from our values and our place. My honourable friend is absolutely | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
right. He refers to a specific example in the past when once again | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
Parliament upheld our democracy, and showed our values in the face of | :08:12. | :08:18. | |
evil and we continue to do it today. Mr Alan Johnson. The Prime Minister | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
is dealing with this outrage in a calm and assured way. Does she agree | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
with me that an effective counterterrorism strategy, designed | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
to prepare, protect and pursue would be inadequate without the strand of | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
prevent? And in that vein, will she assure the House that across all 43 | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
constabularies, there will be neighbourhood policing teams visible | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
to and contactable by the public, which is a crucial strand in feeding | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
information on terrorism to the counterterrorism organisations? The | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
right honourable gentleman was right, and as he will know from his | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
experience, our counterterrorism strategy does indeed embody those | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
four pillars within it, including the pillar of prevent. And the | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
action that is taken to prevent terrorism, to prevent violent | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
extremism and prevent extremism will come in many forms. What is | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
important, of course, is that individuals within communities feel | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
they are able to give information when they are concerned about | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
somebody within their community or concerned about somebody perhaps | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
within their family and what is happening to them and it is | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
important that there are those opportunities for them, and there | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
will be a variety of means. Some through policing, some through other | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
opportunities where people can go and give that information, not just | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
to the protection of us all but to the benefit of the individual | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
concerned. May I commend the Prime Minister on | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
her very fitting statement. When police officers die, they leave | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
behind husbands, wives, sons and daughters. The police dependents' | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
trust was set up to support the dependence of police officers killed | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
or injured on duty following the brutal murder of three police | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
officers in Shepherd's Bush in 1966. With the prime Mr join me in | :10:14. | :10:20. | |
encouraging people to donate to the police dependents' trust? I am very | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
happy to encourage people to do exactly as my honourable friend has | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
suggested. It is a valuable organisation providing help and | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
support. The families who are left behind have to live forever with | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
what for us has been an act of bravery for their family member, but | :10:42. | :10:49. | |
for them is a tragedy and a trauma. Yvette Cooper. I to welcome the | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
Prime Minister's words as she speaks for all of us with the backing of | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
all parties today, and she was right to say this was an attempted attack | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
on parliament and democracy, that failed because of the bravery of PC | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
Keith Palmer, who gave his life doing a job with others to keep | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
people safe. It was also an attempted violent cowardly attack on | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
our freedom, by mowing down people who were just walking along a | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
bridge. As our hearts go out to them, would she agree that that | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
attack on freedom also fails, not just because of communities' | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
resilience and determination, but also perhaps because of the unique | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
partnership we have in this country between the police and communities | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
of all faiths across all parts of the country, and that partnership | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
working will be crucial to making sure the terrorists never win. The | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
right honourable lady is right. It was a cowardly attack as she said. | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
Parliament has particularly focused on the attempt to attack here in | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
parliament, but the mowing down of innocent men, women and children, | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
who were just going about their business in a variety of ways, but | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
many of whom had come here as tourists to enjoy the great delights | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
of this wonderful city, was an absolutely cowardly and appalling | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
act, and we do need to ensure, we have I think a unique bond between | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
our police and their communities, and that is important that that | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
partnership and that bond continues. Mr Philip Davies. Can I commend the | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
Prime Minister's statement and can I commend the Prime Minister for her | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
reassuring dignity and resolve that she showed. She has shown why she is | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
proving to be a good Prime Minister and why we are proud to have her as | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
our Prime Minister. Of course, our hearts go out to the victims and we | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
honour the police who risked their lives every day to keep us safe and | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
unfortunately, too often give up their lives to keep us safe. Can the | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
Prime Minister assure us that she will make sure the police forces up | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
and down the country and the security services will always have | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
the resources that they need in order to carry out their job of | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
keeping us all safe? I thank my honourable friend for his comments. | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
And indeed, as I indicated in Maesteg and, we have taken steps to | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
enhance resources available for our security and intelligence agencies, | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
and to protect the resources available for our police forces, | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
particularly working in the counterterrorism area. We have | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
looked in recent times to increase, as I indicated earlier, the number | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
of armed response vehicles available, and that is not just here | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
but in other parts of the country as well. Of course, we constantly look | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
at making sure our response is appropriate, but we are very | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
conscious of the job that our police do day in, day out and we give them | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
the support that they need. I speak for my party Plaid Cymru and | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
also commend the Prime Minister on the words she has given us today. I | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
also want to say that us here today, this is not a show of defiance, it | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
is a show of respect for the dead and the injured. Respect to our | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
duty, respect to democracy and our duty to our constituents. One man | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
cannot shut down a city and one man cannot lock down democracy. Does she | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
also agree that we must not react to such a warped ideology with unworthy | :14:37. | :14:43. | |
responses? I think what is absolutely appropriate is the | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
response that this House has shown today. It has shown gratitude for | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
the bravery of our police and emergency services. It has shown | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
respect and concern for those who have been the victims of the | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
terrible attacks which took place. But also it has shown normality, and | :15:00. | :15:06. | |
I think that is what is important as we defied the terrorists, and as we | :15:07. | :15:13. | |
work to defeat them. Mr Nigel Evans. Mr Speaker, I thank the Prime | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
Minister for her statement. Over 25 years, well, I had been an MP for 25 | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
years, and I have seen the police play many roles around the Palace of | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
Westminster. One is to give advice to members of the public about where | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
to go. On other occasions, none of us can have passed the gates without | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
seeing members of the public having their photographs taken with the | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
police. It is one of the things that they do. And one of the other things | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
they do is to protect our democracy which we saw yesterday with brutal | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
consequences. I'm very proud of the police and everything they do in | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
defending our democracy. Keith Palmer was one of us. The police to | :15:55. | :16:02. | |
protect us one of us. I hope that at one stage, the tribute to Keith and | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
the police that we are here today and our proceedings are going on. We | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
have the arch which has been spoken about the four which is a lasting | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
memorial to those who paid the ultimate sacrifice for our | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
democracy, and I do hope that at an appropriate time, with discussion | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
with the family, that we also may be able to look at a lasting memorial | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
to Keith in order that each and everyone of us know that there are | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
people putting their lives on the line for our democracy today. I | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
thank my honourable friend and I'm sure the House authorities wish to | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
consider the point he has made. If I may reflect on his earlier remarks, | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
I think it is a particular characteristic of policing here in | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
the United Kingdom, that our police are able to have that link and that | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
bond with members of the public, at the same time as they are doing that | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
very difficult job of keeping us safe. We see it so often when major | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
events take place, Royal weddings, the Olympics and so forth, but | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
actually, he is absolutely right, we see it day in, day out here in this | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
parliamentary estate. Mr Hilary Benn. | :17:16. | :17:26. | |
Thank you. As we mourn those who were so cruelly cut down yesterday, | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
give our grateful thanks to the police and the emergency and | :17:31. | :17:32. | |
security services for their exemplary courage and devotion to | :17:33. | :17:34. | |
duty, and show was a country by our determination to carry on, that we | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
will not be cowed, as the prime and the birds are eloquently, does she | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
agree that we will also need to show the same determination to stand up | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
to anyone who seeks to sow division or stir up hatred in the wake of the | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
Howard Lee attacks -- as the Prime Minister put it so eloquently. We | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
must be very clear that the voices of evil and hate must not divide us | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
and that must be a very clear message from this House today. | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
Whilst our hearts go to all those people who were wounded and murdered | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
yesterday and to all the people who sought to help them, with your | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
indulgence I would like to turn for just a moment to PC Keith Palmer who | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
I first met 25 years ago as Gunnar Keith Palmer at headquarters battery | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
100 Regiment Royal Artillery. He was a strong professional public | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
servant. And it was a delight to meet him here again only a few | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
months after being elected. Would my right honourable friend the Prime | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
Minister, in recognition of the work that he did, and the other police | :18:49. | :18:56. | |
officers and public servants here in the house do, consider recognising | :18:57. | :19:04. | |
his gallantry and sacrifice formally with a posthumous recognition? I | :19:05. | :19:15. | |
thank my honourable friend for the obvious compassion and the passion | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
with which he has spoken about an individual he knew, and he bears | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
witness to the tremendous public service that Keith Palmer has given | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
this country in so many ways, and having served in our Armed Forces, | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
and then come here to this place, and paid the ultimate sacrifice here | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
at our heart of democracy, I can assure my honourable friend that the | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
issue he has raised is of course one which will be considered in due | :19:45. | :19:54. | |
course. Obviously yesterday we saw absolutely the best of security, | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
policing and emergency services, but I would just make a small fleet | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
going forward, yesterday we also saw the camaraderie that got people | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
through the locked down. We had staff stuck in offices all over the | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
estate. As we go forward, if people can take the bravery and | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
determination of yesterday, but remember to talk among themselves, | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
support their staff and not bury any feelings of fear from yesterday, but | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
to let that out, so that there is absolutely no scar remnant within | :20:28. | :20:38. | |
this place as we go forward? The honourable lady has made a very | :20:39. | :20:40. | |
important point. It is too easy for us to come to this chamber, to | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
rightly show the gratitude for the bravery of those who protect us, but | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
to forget that for all our staff who were caught up in this, this could | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
have lasting impacts, and I think it is important that we do make, and I | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
understand that there are moves afoot, to ensure that the staff, as | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
I said in my staff, that members are able to access help and support | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
should they wish to do that. But actually, just allowing people to | :21:08. | :21:09. | |
talk about what happened is often the best remedy. And Mr Speaker, can | :21:10. | :21:19. | |
I thank the Prime Minister for her statement this morning and her | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
message last night in Downing Street? Canales is a former | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
Metropolitan Police officer, pass my condolences personally to Constable | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
Palmer's family and also to the pedestrians and everyone involved | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
yesterday. A summary who served on the counterterrorism command in the | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
1980s here in London, when the IRA and other Middle Eastern groups were | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
bombing London, I know only too well the challenge which is faced by the | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
police. I know the Prime Minister has already been asked about | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
resourcing, but can I reinforce that by asking that in the area of | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
counterterrorism, that the Met police, indeed all police forces, | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
and the security services generally should want for nothing? I can | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
reassure my honourable friend that we did do this major exercise of | :22:12. | :22:19. | |
looking at the resources that should be available for counterterrorism, | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
across all aspects of dealing with counterterrorism. This is about the | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
security and intelligence agencies and about the police, but also there | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
are other parts of government which have a role to play in | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
counterterrorism as well and extra resources are going in as I | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
indicated in my statement. Of course, we do want to ensure that | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
all those who are involved in acting against terrorism have the support | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
they need to do the job that we want them to do. | :22:46. | :22:53. | |
Could I associate myself with the prime Mr's words and those of my | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
right honourable friend the Leader of the Opposition -- the Prime | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
Minister's words. Would she accept this is not about the personal | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
security of us as members of Parliament or the security of this | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
building. PC Keith Palmer died defending the values of free people | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
everywhere, and isn't the proper response over the coming days, as | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
more facts emerge, that we stand firm for those selfsame values of | :23:25. | :23:32. | |
free people everywhere? The honourable gentleman is absolutely | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
right. It is not about individuals in this House or this building, it | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
is what we stand for and we should stand absolutely firm in those | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
values. May I start off by commending the | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
Prime Minister on a very powerful speech, particularly the tone with | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
which it was delivered. Yesterday, we saw an attack on the centre of | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
democracy, and also an attack on the citizens of ten countries. The | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
message that we need to take away from here is this ideology, this | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
evil ideology is not only an attack on Western countries and the values | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
we hold so dear, but it is an evil which seeks to destroy the way of | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
life across the globe. And I hope that the message will go out to all | :24:21. | :24:28. | |
decent and civilised countries, that we must all redouble our resolve to | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
deal with this evil. I say to my honourable friend that I have been | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
struck by the number of messages I have received, the number of foreign | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
leaders who I have spoken to, who have been absolutely clear at this | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
time that we stand together as he says, in defiance but also in | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
ensuring that we will defeat this evil. Regarding the immense bravery | :24:52. | :24:59. | |
of everyone yesterday, should we not recognise that terror attacks are | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
likely to continue for years to come and this country is not unique, let | :25:04. | :25:11. | |
alone -- in Europe let alone elsewhere, and having onslaughts | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
against them? But regarding what the Prime Minister has just said, can I | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
tell her that during the sustained IRA bombing, I did not receive | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
during all those years as a member of Parliament, I did not receive any | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
letters at all, or anyone come to my surgery telling me that we should | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
change our policy in combating terrorism. And I have to say, it | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
illustrates once again our people are simply not appeasers. The | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
honourable gentleman is right. I believe the British public stand | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
with this parliament in wanting to see us in defiance of the | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
terrorists, defeating the terrorists, and showing that it is | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
the values of democracy and the rule of law, the values of free people | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
everywhere, that underpin our way of life. I think people recognise that | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
and they want to see this House endorsing that. | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
I support all that the Prime Minister has said and done and my | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
thoughts are with all those who have been affected by this evil act. The | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
assistant Police Commissioner in 2016 said two people a day are being | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
turned away from extremism, and that it is often members of the | :26:24. | :26:32. | |
individual's on community who are alerting the authorities. Can I ask | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
what further steps we are taking to engage with all our communities so | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
that we can work together to defeat nonviolent extremism which often | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
leads to violent extremism? My honourable friend is right, it is | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
important that we defeat that extremism and deal with it at that | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
early stage, and there is a lot of work that is being done within | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
communities, working with communities. Obviously, there is | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
work that the police do to encourage people within communities to come | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
forward with information, when it is to do so, when they have those | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
concerns, and that is important, that people need to have the | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
confidence of feeling that they can do that and it is important to | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
create the environment within communities when people feel, when | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
there are those who are trying to destroy our way of life, and they | :27:24. | :27:32. | |
feel able to take action about that. But my honourable friend is right, | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
bringing communities together is an important part of the work that the | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
government is doing. I had intended to call another burning a member who | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
has sadly left the chamber. In the absence of that honourable member, | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
let's hear the voice of Jack Dromey. Can I thank the Prime Minister for | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
her leadership in a bleak moment for our country. As a brave guardian of | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
Parliament, Keith Palmer fought for his life yesterday. The right | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
honourable member for Bournemouth East fought to save his life, and | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
can I say about the right honourable member, he is one of Parliament's | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
finest. Can I also ask the Prime Minister this, in backing our police | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
to defeat terrorism, does she believe we should heed their wise | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
words, that to demonise and divide is to play right into the hands of | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
the evil that is terrorism? We should not be it making any attempt | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
to demonise individual communities. What we should recognise is it is | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
individuals who are terrorists, that they are adhering to a warped | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
ideology, warped ideology of evil. And that is true whatever the origin | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
of the terrorism and there are different ideologies and this House | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
has been struck before, as we know, and has felt terrorism of a | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
different sort hitting at a member of this House, so we must make sure | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
we do not demonise communities but we work with them to identify and | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
isolate those who wish to do us harm. Andrew Bridgen. In the wake of | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
yesterday's evil, tragic but not wholly unexpected attack on this | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
place, as the Prime Minister said there will be a review of the | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
response of our excellent police and security services. But does my right | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
honourable friend agree with me, that in an open and free democracy | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
such as ours, there is always going to be a balance between our security | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
and public access and the transparency of our democracy, and | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
if that balance is not maintained, then unfortunately the terrorists | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
will have won? My honourable friend is absolutely right. It is a | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
balance, we live in an open and free democracy. We want members of the | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
public to have access to members of their representatives and four | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
months of this place to have easy access to this place. That is part | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
of how we operate. It is important as we look ahead and we ask that | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
question whether there is anything more that needs to be done, we | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
recognise that we should not in anyway destroy the values that | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
underpin our democracy, because if we do that, as he says, the | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
terrorists will have won. I want to agree with everything that | :30:20. | :30:30. | |
every member has said. But can I add thanks to two more groups of people | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
who haven't been mentioned. The staff at Westminster Abbey who | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
received people who were left from this house and also the firearms | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
officer who actually acted in a way that he had been trained to, but | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
probably never expected to and we owe him our thanks. The Prime | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
Minister knows better than any of us that this sort of attack, it looks | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
like a lone wolf kind of attack, is the hardest for our Security | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
Services to prevent. Its prevention as her remarks have made clear, is | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
best achieved by us celebrating our values. The values which meant that | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
among the victims there were people of eleven different nationalities, | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
our openness, our democracy, what can she do to help ensure that | :31:24. | :31:30. | |
everybody in Britain, every child, everyone of every religion is given | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
the opportunity to learn about those values and to celebrate them, | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
because I think that's the best way to keep us safe. May I join the | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
honourable lady in commending as she has said, the staff of Westminster | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
Abbey, who played a role in supporting people from Parliament | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
yesterday. But also she says the firearms officer. Who acted we know | :31:53. | :31:59. | |
had to make a split second decision about what to do. It is not an easy | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
job. It is difficult. They are trained to do it. But when the point | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
comes, it is a difficult decision to take. But we are grateful that he | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
did that and with the consequences that we know. It is important that | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
we celebrate those values. That is an important element of us | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
countering the extremist is to ensure that the values that we share | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
are championed, but are resolutely put forward. It is for all of us, | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
the honourable lady asks what I can would do, but actually I think it is | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
for everybody in this House as we go about our business as members of | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
Parliament to encourage that celebration of the values that we | :32:40. | :32:48. | |
share. Can I commend my honourable friend for the resolute, brave and | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
courageous way she stood up for our country and how proud we are of her. | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
Does she a I degree with me that one -- agree with me that one terrorist | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
will not destroy our country, ten will not destroy our country, ten | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
thousand will not destroy our country, no amount of terrorists | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
will ever destroy our way of life, because they're trying to destroy | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
what we represent, freedom and democracy. My honourable friend is | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
right, terrorism will not destroy our way of life. It will not win. We | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
up hold those values and they underpin our way of life, they are | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
what the terrorists are trying to attack. Ha the terrorists dislike, | :33:34. | :33:41. | |
but we must ensure that we uphold those values and no number of | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
terrorists will defeat this place or defeat those values. PC Keith Palmer | :33:46. | :33:54. | |
didn't return home from work yesterday to his family, so the rest | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
of us in this House could. We should never forget that sacrifice and | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
every day we should pass our thanks to the staff, security of this House | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
and the emergency services. And I wonder if I could ask the Prime | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
Minister to join my in cherishing what happened here yesterday with | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
staff coming to together, who were terrified and all supporting each | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
other and in itself is way to say to terrorism that it will never win. | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
No, I join the honourable gentleman in, as he says, I think the way that | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
people came together, they showed that camaraderie and support each | :34:29. | :34:36. | |
other at what was a difficult time. And that was a very important | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
message to the terrorists. It is reported that what happened | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
yesterday was an act of Islamic terror, will the Prime Minister | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
agree with me that what happened was not Islamic, just as | :34:51. | :35:03. | |
the murder of AirieN Neave was not Christian. Yes it is not Islamic, it | :35:04. | :35:15. | |
is a perversion of a great faith. I would like to pay tribute to the | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
Prime Minister and wish her well and the cabinet well. Can I echo | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
everything that has been said about those who have been killed and their | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
families and the victims. Can I ask the Prime Minister that every effort | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
will be made to support the victims and their families and also the | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
police officer whose role it was to stop the terrorist in the end? I can | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
assure the honourable gentleman that that support will be available. Of | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
course for those who have been affected by the attacks for those | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
who have been injured and the bereaved families, the Metropolitan | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
Police have already in place support arrangement necessary. But I have | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
also asked government to look at what further support can be | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
available for victims in a wider sense. There will be people who may | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
not have been physically injured by the attack yesterday, but perhaps | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
were caught up in it and for whom there may be other scars and it is | :36:14. | :36:19. | |
important we provide that support. Parliament is a very different place | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
this morning. Coming in I realised that millions of people live with | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
the after effects of terrorism avp it was almost within the hour | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
yesterday that in my summing up to the Foreign Office minister, I said | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
I understand his experience of terrorism is something that is not | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
known to the rest of us. I could repeat that assertion again this | :36:43. | :36:44. | |
morning about his experience yesterday afternoon. Does the Prime | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
Minister agree with me that we should use the honours system to | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
recognise those people who made a contribution yesterday, including | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
the member for Bournemouth east. As I have indicated, I think proper | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
consideration will be given to the issue that my honourable friend | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
raises. But if I may just say about my honourable friend the member for | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
Bournemouth East, who I spoke to yesterday, I think we should all | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
recognise that not only did he show huge professionalism in putting his | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
past training to the use and the hope that he had of rescuing the | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
life of PC Keith Palmer, but of course it was in the middle of a | :37:28. | :37:34. | |
terrorist attack and he is somebody who knows the trauma and tragedy of | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
losing somebody in a terrorist attack. I very much associate myself | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
with the statement the Prime Minister and everyone has made. And | :37:46. | :37:52. | |
pay tribute to all of those involved we. Atds the sister of a police | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
officer -- as the sister of a police officer in uniform, none of us know | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
when they go out in the morning what they're going to face. ? I have to | :38:02. | :38:10. | |
say yesterday hit hard for those of us with family in uniform. I'm | :38:11. | :38:18. | |
pleased she will giving help to those affected. When I was Home | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
Secretary, there were two events that brought home the commitment and | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
bravery and dedication of police officers, one was the national | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
police service memorial day when the police recognise those who have | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
fallen and the other was the police bravery awards when groups of police | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
officers are recognised for brave acts they have undertaken. What | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
always struck me and I'm sure other members was the matter of fact way | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
in which our police officers would, whatever they had done, whoever they | :38:51. | :38:56. | |
had dealt with, whatever action they had had to take, whatever injuries | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
they had suffered would just say they were doing their job. We owe | :39:02. | :39:08. | |
them a very great deal. Can I thank the Prime Minister for the tone with | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
which she has reaebgted. She has spoken for the nation in this | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
moment. Yesterday, many of us were gathered in Westminster Abbey, in | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
lock down, in a stunning moment, people from left and right, people | :39:23. | :39:33. | |
from Muslim, Hindu and Christian faiths and none. Could I support | :39:34. | :39:40. | |
those who reminded us this is not a an act of faith, it is an act of | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
distortion of faith and it we will defend the values we cherish. My | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
honourable friend is right, I think it is, it shows the importance of | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
all of our faiths working together and recognising the values that we | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
share and as he says this act of terror was not an act of faith, it | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
was an a perverse, a warped ideology, which leads to an act of | :40:06. | :40:14. | |
terrorism and it will not prevail. My prayers are those who were | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
injured and lost their lives and their family and particularly P | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
xrchlt Keith Palmer, who made the ultimate accusifies. This attacker | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
and -- that he had the ultimate sacrifice. This attacker is not of | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
my religion or community and we should attack all those, because | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
they're not of religion. If they were of religion they wouldn't be | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
carrying acts like this. We have to stay united and show them they can't | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
win on these grounds and we are here to stay. May I commend the | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
honourable gentleman for comments he has made and the stance he has | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
taken. He has been very clear that this is not of his religion. It is a | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
perverse, it is a warped evil mentality that leads to these acts | :41:04. | :41:11. | |
of terror. Could I join in saluting my honourable friend and fellow | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
Dorset member for his bravery yesterday. It is a hall mark of his | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
character, he stands below the bar of the house today. Would he agree | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
with these words written by a worker on the London Underground yesterday | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
and penned on a public notice board, my judgment is he or she speaks for | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
the whole country, irrespective of faith and creed, all terrorists are | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
reminded that this is London and whatever you do to us, we will drink | :41:46. | :41:57. | |
tea and jolly well carry on! I think that is a wonderful tribute and if a | :41:58. | :42:05. | |
very simple way I think has encapsulated everything everybody in | :42:06. | :42:12. | |
this House has said today. Like many members I have walked through the | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
carriage gate and said a small prayer for the safety of those who | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
stand there to protect us and will now add a prayer for the soul of PC | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
Keith Palmer. Among the bravery we saw yesterday and the | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
professionalism and I say this as a former teacher, were the actions of | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
the teacher, both nose those injured in the attack and those kept here in | :42:39. | :42:44. | |
the lock down and kept those children calm on a day they saw, | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
witnessed and heard of things that they should never have to see. The | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
honourable gentleman is right, it is, it must have been particularly | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
difficult for those children who were here and being caught up in | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
this. The work of, we should commend the work of their teachers in | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
offering them that reassurance and calm and recognise particularly the | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
role of the French teachers, of the French group, the last thing you | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
expect when you bring a group of young people to another country is | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
something terrible like that is going to happen. Of course, they | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
would have acted to support and will be continuing to support the other | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
members of that group who have been through this trauma. As we were | :43:28. | :43:35. | |
evacuated yesterday, I too met several school groups who had been | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
involved with visits that had been organised by the Parliamentary | :43:40. | :43:41. | |
education service. Does my honourable friend agree that such | :43:42. | :43:52. | |
visits are vital and help provide an antidote to hatred. Yes and they're | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
important in helping to promote the values we share. The honourable | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
lady, the member for Slough asked me about how we can ensure we promote | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
those values, I think that work that Parliament does in bringing in | :44:07. | :44:08. | |
children and showing them the work of Parliament and values of our | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
democracy is an important part of that. My thoughts are with PC | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
Palmer's family and the families of all those who were victims of | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
yesterday's terrorist attacks. We are so grateful to the emergency | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
services and etch who protect -- everyone who protect us. The Prime | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
Minister speaks for the whole country in her message of unity, | :44:34. | :44:41. | |
does she agree with me that the painstaking work begins now for all | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
of us in our constituencies in providing reassurances and | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
maintaining that unity, because it is in the days after an vent like | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
what's happened that we have to be vigilant against those who try to | :44:57. | :45:04. | |
exploit these kinds of attacks and cause backlashes and intolerance | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
against different communities. The role of the media is critical in | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
ensuring that we maintain our resilience and that sense of | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
definals -- defines and solidarity. The honourable lady is right, there | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
is an immediate focus on the event, but of course as he says it is in | :45:26. | :45:34. | |
the days after that some may try to sow hatred. I would like to thank | :45:35. | :45:41. | |
the Prime Minister for h her statement and to offer condelenses | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
to all affected. As a former armed forces family I know at this time it | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
is more important to show our resolve. I also hope that we will | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
continue to support alaffected -- all affected. Although trauma may | :45:56. | :46:04. | |
not impact straight awashings -- away it may have long-term fbgts. | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
Effects. The honourable lady makes a good point. Over time with a number | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
of incidents we have come to learn more about the importance of | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
providing that support, that is not just about an immediate reaction, | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
but for some the impact of an attack can kick in quite a while later. | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
That is why we are looking at the support that is available for | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
victims. I commend my honourable friend's statement and hope she will | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
agree that Britain's police force is the greatest in the world and for | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
those of us who served as police officers, I pay tribute to PC Keith | :46:41. | :46:51. | |
Palmer, who was stood serving this house unarmed when duty call and he | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
paid the ultimate sacrifice. These lone wolf type attacks are difficult | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
to defend against, what can be done to make sure this does not happen | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
again? In terms of protective security, work will be done with the | :47:08. | :47:15. | |
Parliamentary estate. But the best way of defeating terrorist is | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
through intelligence and finding information about the potential for | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
attacks taking place in advance and preventing them as I said, since | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
June 2013, 13 plots have been disrupted. That is due to the hard | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
work of the our police and security and intelligence agencies. They work | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
day in and out to keep us safe and will continue to do so. I think | :47:39. | :47:44. | |
everyone who works on the Parliamentary estate has considered | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
what they would do if a day like yesterday ever happened. For those | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
who work with families on site it is of particular concern. I wonder if | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
the Prime Minister would join me in saying a specific word for the staff | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
at the House of Commons nursery for their actions. Many can attest to | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
looking after one toddler for a number of hours is not easy, but | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
they looked after the children in difficult circumstances and kept in | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
touch with some very worried parents. I was in the nursery during | :48:13. | :48:18. | |
the lock down and their action was much appreciated. Very happy to join | :48:19. | :48:21. | |
the honourable gentleman in commending the work of staff of the | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
nursery. It must have been very difficult with young children in an | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
uncertain and difficult circumstance. I'm sure they did an | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
excellent job and I'm happy to join him in commending the work they did. | :48:35. | :48:42. | |
I join in all the tributes that have been paid, those of us that were | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
locked down will pay tribute to your deputy, the chairman of ways and | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
means and the leader of the House for their keeping calm and carrying | :48:52. | :49:00. | |
on and I would pay tribute to the Hansard reporters who recorded three | :49:01. | :49:03. | |
hours after the business had finished up to the adjournment. That | :49:04. | :49:11. | |
is a tribute to our democracy. I would join the honourable gentleman | :49:12. | :49:14. | |
in commending the actions of both the chairman of way and mean and the | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
leader of the house yesterday who I think calmly was able to reassure | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
members at a time when nobody knew everything about what was happening. | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
There was limited information available. Thank you Mr Speaker, | :49:28. | :49:36. | |
yesterday, showed us the worst of humanity but it showed us more the | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
best of humanity, whether that was the member from Bournemouth east or | :49:41. | :49:52. | |
the action of PC Palmer or the firearms officer. I have been | :49:53. | :49:58. | |
touched in the last two days by the number of people from my | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
constituency who have contacted of me of Christian, Jewish and Muslim | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
faith and of no faith and particularly I want to pay tribute | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
to the chairman of the mosques in Leeds, who contacted me to say his | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
thought and prayers and of all the community in Leeds are with all of | :50:15. | :50:20. | |
us at this difficult time and there will be prayers across our country | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
in the days ahead. I join trade, I think all faith communities across | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
this country will be becoming together and will as she says, be | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
remembering those who have suffered as a result of those attack and in | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
their coming together ensuring that they again show how, because they | :50:41. | :50:43. | |
do, they represent those values that we have talked about, that are so | :50:44. | :50:50. | |
important to our way of life. The Prime Minister has been exemplary on | :50:51. | :50:58. | |
this. As she was on Hillsborough. The member for Ribble Valley was | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
right to Tay that Keith was one of us. One of the things we saw | :51:03. | :51:05. | |
yesterday was that the Parliamentary family is a big family and includes | :51:06. | :51:11. | |
cooks and cleaners and clerks and door keepers and people who make our | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
democracy function, who are in my ways more important than we are. We | :51:17. | :51:23. | |
have, when an MP dies in action, a shield is put up or when they're | :51:24. | :51:29. | |
killed like Ian Gou in a terrorist incident, they have a shield put up | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
and sadly I hope soon there will be one for Jo Cox. It is time, whatever | :51:35. | :51:43. | |
tribute there is play be, in the future, Keith's, Keith had a shield | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
in this chamber. Because he was our shield and defender yesterday. I say | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
to the honourable gentleman I think it is appropriate that PC Keith | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
Palmer for his bravery and his act of sacrifice should be recognised in | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
an appropriate way. The honourable gentleman will realise what that is | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
is a matter for the House authorities. Thank you, yesterday on | :52:06. | :52:13. | |
Wembridge and in New Palace Yard many members of public attempted to | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
give life saving aid to the injured. Many will have asked the question | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
about whether we would have had the skills had we been there, will the | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
Prime Minister join me in encouraging those who seek to | :52:26. | :52:31. | |
acquire those skills to do and and perhaps contact the St John's | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
ambulance. My friend makes a good point and I would join him in that | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
encouragement. I think there are probably the vast majority of | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
members of the House would not have had the skills to be able to act in | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
that way. It is a good message that more of us should acquire the | :52:51. | :52:59. | |
skills. The aim of any terrorist is to exploit the natural and | :53:00. | :53:09. | |
inevitable sense of public interest and sympathy to sow disunity and | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
disruption and fear beyond the act, the physical act of terror, in | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
building on her commendable words about the resolution of British | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
people, does she think that we should also take time to reflect in | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
is in chamber and outside it, including in the media, about how we | :53:29. | :53:36. | |
can balance the public interest and the people's feelings of grief with | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
seeking not to give oxygen or pub lilsty -- publicity to whatever | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
cause it is that a terrorist seeks to promote? It is, this question of | :53:46. | :53:55. | |
oxygen of publicity is an important one and we should reflect on the | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
points that the honourable gentleman has made. He references the actions | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
of media. We shouldn't forget, we have talked about people who were | :54:04. | :54:06. | |
caught up in this yesterday, there were many journalists who were | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
caught up either on the periphery of the Parliamentary estate or in the | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
Parliamentary estate and continuing and doing their best to do their job | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
in reporting faithfully what was happening. But I think how these | :54:20. | :54:25. | |
matters are addressed, how these matters are reported, is an | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
important consideration, as he says, we want to ensure is not possible to | :54:31. | :54:38. | |
use these actions to encourage others or to sow division. I would | :54:39. | :54:46. | |
add my condolences and my gratitude tho those expressed. Yesterday two | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
of my constituents were caught up in the attacks, one op whom was eight | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
months pregnant and they have asked me to pass on their gratitude and | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
thanks to the House staff and the police for the consideration with | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
which they were treated during the five hour lock down. Would the Prime | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
Minister agree with me that just as we go about continue to go about our | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
daily work, so those we represent must continue to see this House as | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
their House, and must be encouraged to come here to see and participate | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
in the democracy which puts our values into action. I think that is | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
a very important point. It is part of our democracy that members of | :55:29. | :55:31. | |
public, that the constituents we represent, are able to come to this | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
place and learn about this place and also are able to access their | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
representatives at this place and we should ensure that will always | :55:42. | :55:47. | |
continue. My honourable friend has mentioned the House of Commons staff | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
who were showing exemplary behaviour and I wanted to pay tribute to the | :55:55. | :56:01. | |
manager who dealt with nervous parents. It is every part's worst | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
nightmare and they stayed calm under an attack. May I add that people who | :56:08. | :56:14. | |
commit acts of terrorism in the name of Islam do not speak for the | :56:15. | :56:21. | |
Muslims is in country or this city and do not speak for me. I'm | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
grateful for her words. Again for the warm way in which she has spoken | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
of the actions of the House of Commons staff who were looking after | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
children. But she is right, the terrorists do not speak in the name | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
of the faith. Never a warped ideology. The murder who used both | :56:41. | :56:49. | |
his car and also a knife as weapons of murder yesterday care not what | :56:50. | :56:54. | |
the faith of the people he killed was or the nationality. Doesn't it | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
say everything about why our values will prevail and the values of | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
murder will not, that after the police had shot him, they attempted | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
to save his life? I think it does show those values that underpin our | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
way of life. That that was, the first thought that they did try to | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
save the individual's life. That is what the police do. It is what they | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
have done in previous incidents as well. And as he says, I think that | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
shows the values that are at the heart of our society. Can I commend | :57:31. | :57:38. | |
the Prime Minister for her strength of character and for her leadership | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
at this time cometh the hour, cometh the woman. We thank you and we thank | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
you others. The Prime Minister, at this moment we are all aware of | :57:49. | :57:54. | |
review that will take place, the policy review will make | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
recommendations, could I ask Prime Minister what assurance, or seek an | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
assurance they will be conveyed to the Scottish Parliament, the Welsh | :58:05. | :58:13. | |
Assembly and the Irish Assembly and co-operation with the Irish | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
republic. I thank the honourable gentleman for his comments. Any | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
lessons learned here in this Parliamentary estate, we must | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
recognise there are other representative bodies, Parliaments | :58:26. | :58:27. | |
and Assemblies across the United Kingdom and of course it is | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
important that we ensure those messages are shared. This morning I | :58:32. | :58:41. | |
spoke with the Imam of my area who wanted to share his sorrow. Which | :58:42. | :58:52. | |
will come away from that debate, MPs meeting determined to show their | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
work will continue and the Prime Minister saying we are not afraid, | :58:56. | :59:03. | |
our resolve will never waiver in the face of tomorrow. Terrorism. He | :59:04. | :59:11. | |
described the attack yesterday, where the police officer was killed | :59:12. | :59:19. | |
as an attack on free people. We saw the worst of humanity, but we will | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
remember the best of humanity as well. She described PC Keith Palmer | :59:24. | :59:32. | |
as every inch a hero. We have heard are that the queen has sent a | :59:33. | :59:38. | |
statement. The Buckingham Palace said her thoughts, prayers and | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
sympathies are with all those affected by yesterday's violence. We | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
will bring you full coverage throughout the day from here in | :59:49. | :59:51. | |
Westminster. Where we are at the edge of the police cordon. Many of | :59:52. | :59:57. | |
the streets and key roads leading to the Palace of Westminster still | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
closed this afternoon. You're watching BBC news. | :00:02. | :00:09. | |
This is BBC News. I'm Ben Brown live at Westminster. As the Prime | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
Minister says the man behind the terror attack here was British-born | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
and known to the authorities. The flag over Parliament is flying | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
at half-mast this afternoon, as the Queen expresses her son is for all | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
those affected. The Prime Minister has been shaken colleagues in the | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
chamber of the House of Commons. -- the Queen expresses her sympathies. | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
What I can confirm is the man was British-born and some years ago he | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
was once investigated by MI5 in concerns over violent extremism. One | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
of the victims of the attack has been named as Aysha Frade. She was | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
reportedly on her way to pick up her children from school when she was at | :00:59. | :01:06. | |
the macro struck by gear car's car on West bridge. | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
I am Annita McVeigh out by Scotland Yard. Kelly is coordinating the | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
investigation have arrested eight people, Paul-macro of them in | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
Birmingham. And police have been searching the clean as their | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
murdered colleague is named as geeky Keith Palmer. One colleague paid an | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
emotional tribute to his friend from his days in the military. He was a | :01:29. | :01:36. | |
strong, professional public servant. And it was a delight to meeting here | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
again only a few months after being elected. | :01:44. | :01:58. | |
Families continue to mourn their dead. | :01:59. | :02:42. | |
The police have made their first arrest in connection with the | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
attack, which left four people dead, including the perpetrator. Grades | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
are being carried out overnight in Birmingham and London and eight | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
people in all have been arrested, at least four in Birmingham. Theresa | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
May has confirmed the suspect was once investigated by MI5 over | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
concerns they had about violent extremism. She also said that he was | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
not part of the current intelligence picture, described him as a | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
peripheral figure. The Queen has led tributes to those impacted by | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
yesterday's events. In a statement released by Buckingham Palace in the | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
last three minutes, Queen Elizabeth said... | :03:24. | :03:34. | |
Aysha Frade has been named as one of the two people killed when the | :03:35. | :03:42. | |
attacker targeted pedestrians walking on Westminster Bridge. PC | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
Keith Palmer was stabbed by the suspect at the entrance of the | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
Palace of Westminster, and altogether 29 people are still in | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
hospital this afternoon, including seven who we are told are | :03:55. | :04:06. | |
The House of Commons was in sombre reflective mood this morning. In | :04:07. | :04:20. | |
memory of those who lost their lives in yesterday's attack and of all of | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
the casualties of that attack. We shall now observe a minute's | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
silence. Sfli Yesterday an act of terrorism | :04:28. | :04:48. | |
tried to silence our downpour si. -- democracy. As generations have done | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
before and future generation will continue to do, to deliver a simple | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
message - we are not afraid. And our resolve will never waiver in the | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
face of terrorism. As the Queen said her thoughts and sympathy were with | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
all those affected, at New Scotland Yard the police paid tributes to a | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
fallen colleague, after an attack on the the capital that everyone had | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
dreaded and trained for. But are determined to overcome. With the | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
Union flag at half-mast above the Palace of Westminster, the area | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
around Parliament remains closed to the public. That includes | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
Westminster Bridge, where shortly before 3 o'clock yesterday, a lone | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
attacker drove a four-wheel drive vehicle at high speed through a | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
crowd of people. One victim was catapulted into the Thames as the | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
car mounted the kerb. The woman was pulled from the river injured but | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
alive. The vehicle continued at speed, and crashed into the railings | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
around the Palace of Westminster. The attack ran do the main gate | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
where he stabbed a police officer, 48-year-old Keith Palmer. As he | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
continued he was shot as he tried to attack other officers. Amid the | :06:18. | :06:26. | |
chaos, many commented on the bravery of passers by, MP and emergency | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
services in giving first aid and tending to the victims. But three | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
people were killed, including PC Palmer. Also Aysha Frade, a 4 | :06:37. | :06:48. | |
3-year-old from Spain. The attacker has not been named. But he was | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
British and was once investigated for links to extremist | :06:53. | :06:59. | |
organisations. Police from several forces launched simultaneous | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
operations in the Midlands and in London, making eight arrests in | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
connection with the Westminster attack. The inquiries in Birmingham, | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
London and other parts are continuing. It is still our belief, | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
which continues to be borne out by our investigation, that this | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
attacker acted alone and was inspired by international terrorism. | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
Investigators are piecing together the exact circumstances of what | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
happened in and around Parliament. But in London and Westminster | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
generally, security has been significantly increased, around what | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
was already one of most heavily protected areas of the cap pal vp -- | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
capital. The importance of security and maintaining the freedoms people | :07:45. | :07:53. | |
cherish, never more challenging. I'm joined at the police cordon at | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
Westminster by Lord Carlile. Thank you for being us with. What do you | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
think of the significance of the fact that the Prime Minister said | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
this assailant was British born and had been on the Security Services' | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
radar. We will have to look at the evidence and there are issues about | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
whether MI5 has sufficient staffing to track people who come on to its | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
radar for long enough. We have the investigatory powers act to empower | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
the security services to follow the internet traffic of people | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
interested in being radicalised. We have to see fit was sufficient. She | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
said he was a peripheral figure, the Security Services cannot track | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
everyone. No and they make judgments and make judgments on the whole. The | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
Security Services are often then sung heros who keep the public safe | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
and they will be examining what occurred and looking at the | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
perpetrator and asking the Government for the resources they | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
need. What has been demonstrated is that there is a real severe threat | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
and we must protect the public, not just Parliament, but the public from | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
this kind of threat. Because it was members of public as well as a much | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
loved police officer who suffered yesterday. An attacker using a car | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
and knives, so hard to stop. And to get intelligence on. Yes, things | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
have changed a lot, at one time we were looking at improvised | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
electronic explosive devices, now it is cars and knives. It is much more | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
difficult to detect that kind of event, because it is so simple to | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
perpetrate. Do you think there needs to be changes in legislation? On the | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
face of it no, I think anti-terror legislation is strong and complete | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
and we may have to look at the way it is applied and the extent to | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
which the radicalising sites are taken from the internet. It is right | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
to say that over 50,000 such sites were removed by the British | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
authorities in the last two quarters, so the Government's staff | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
are working hard at this. But it may that more can be done. The public, | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
communities, must be more vigilant than they have been, as this event | :10:25. | :10:34. | |
has shown. Thank you. Let's go to our assistant political editor | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
norman Smith who is in the palace Palace of Westminster and was | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
listening to that debate. Very dignified and an agreement on all | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
sides it was important for MPs to sit today, just the day after the | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
attack to show they wouldn't be cowed by terrorism. Yes, it was | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
clear that many MPs made a real effort to make sure they were in the | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
chamber to cancel trips away, as a visible symbol of defines. -- | :11:04. | :11:11. | |
defiance. But we have been getting more detail about events yesterday | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
and the BBC understands that the attacker was shot dead by one of the | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
Defence Secretary's security detail. That would fit in, it has not been | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
confirmed, but that would #23i9 with -- fit with what we know from | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
yesterday, because MPs and the ministers and the Prime Minister | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
were voting as the attack took place. They would have been going | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
along, many of them at the back of palace yard through t area, many MPs | :11:41. | :11:48. | |
were told they were told to get down. We know it was a plain clothes | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
officer who shot the attacker. Now it seems it was part of Defence | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
Secretary's own security detail. I stress that has not been confirmed, | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
but what is what we understand. That would seem to fit in what appears to | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
be a likely possibility. Elsewhere we are getting more details about | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
the Monday himself -- man himself and we know, because the Prime | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
Minister told us he is a British national and he had xom to attention | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
of the -- come to the attention of security forces understanding but s | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
but he was a peripheral figure and not part of their current | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
investigations and was not seen as an immediate threat. But I imagine | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
that will be one area that people will want to look at. In terms of | :12:36. | :12:43. | |
mood, it was captured by a Conservative MP, James Cleverley, | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
who knew PC Keith Palmer as a former colleague in the artillery regiment. | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
He seemed close to tears as he urged Mrs May to consider some sort of | :12:56. | :13:02. | |
recognition, I assume a medal for PC Palmer. There was calms for some | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
sort of monument to recognise his courage and bravery. But you know | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
there was a common theme apart from the sense of defiance that democracy | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
will not be cow and that was the plea for people not to react and | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
respond to those seeking to divide different communities. Thank you | :13:24. | :13:33. | |
very much. Norman Smith there. The police are urging anyone with any | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
information at all about the events here yesterday to get in touch with | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
them and members of public being asked to call the anti-terrorist | :13:45. | :13:46. | |
hotline. It is there on screen. That is the same number if people | :13:47. | :13:59. | |
want to report anything else suspicious they have spotted. We | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
leave viewers on | :14:03. | :14:03. |