Conference Special Daily Politics

Afternoon, folks. From the last day of the French Socialist Party

Conference on the Cote D'Azur... Actually it is the last day of the

British Labour Party Conference here in Liverpool. But the weather

has turned it into the Cote de Mersey. And Ed Miliband, by turning

his back on the Blair-Brown, may find he ends up closer to the

mainstream of continental socialism than New Labour ever was. That is

the view in Liverpool this morning, where the Labour Party Conference

is winding down. Within the hour, the party's deputy leader, Harriet

Harman, will close the conference with what everyone hopes will be a

rousing speech. Expect the red flag flying, tears, emotion and some

hugs. We will be reviewing Labour's year with Alan Johnson, the former

Home Secretary. He never actually turned up to this conference but we

tracked him down. And do you know Ed Miliband appeared to have no

idea this morning, even though he is tipped to be the next Labour

leader in Scotland. He is called Ken MacIntosh. And that's not all.

Jo is in London. And away from the conference centre, there is

continued trouble in Euroland. The German parliament have just voted

to approve an increase in the size of the euro bail out fund. But our

Foreign Secretary has called the eurozone a burning building without

exits and the Deputy Prime Minister warned that the crisis could cause

the EU itself to rupture. So is Yes, all that coming up in the next

hour of public service broadcasting at its finest. Actually it is the

only public service broadcasting that covers the last day of the

Labour Conference, which has been visibly wilting since Mr Miliband

spoke on Tuesday afternoon. Most delegates, three quarters of the

Shadow Cabinet and every single hack except for me, has hot-footed

it out of Liverpool. Just why Labour drags its conference on till

Thursday is one of the great mysteries of British politics,

especially since both other main national parties manage to end on

Anyway who would want to miss Hattie's address? Certainly not the

couple of Labour bloggers we have assembled for your delectation. Dan

Hodges from Labour Uncut and Mark Give me your overview of this

conference. Ed Miliband is facing some criticisms about lack of

direction, lack of strategy. He has dealt with that. We know who he is.

He has pitched and self as a Liberal intellectual. You know what

his strategy is. We know what his strategy is. He is going to take on

the British establishment on behalf of the British people. I think that

is a completely suicidal electoral strategy. Give him credit.

think all that. You do not think it is the right thing to do. No. He

had had a debate and discussion about where the middle ground is.

Ed Miliband attempted to articulate where it was in his speech on

Tuesday. The general consensus is that where Ed Miliband and those

around him see the middle ground resting is not whether British

people see it resting. That is his problem. Her what is your take on

it? This has been an average conference. The Poles will have

hardly shifted at all. We have gained nothing. We have not lost

much. Someone said to me yesterday, we're all in quite a good mood but

we do not know why. I think a lot of us a slightly wondering why we

are here. Not just you but never mind. Let's move on quickly over

that. Let me maybe bring down your ambition and say that one thing has

been achieve. I am not sure the wider public has a better idea who

Ed Miliband is that your party has. That is part of the problem. The

whole mood of the conference and his speech was pitched very much at

the Labour Party. When we arrived in Liverpool, everyone was clear

about what Ali -- Ed Miliband needed to do. He needed to start to

connect with the electorate. I take slight issue. I think people will

start to look at him and have greater clarity about who Ed

Miliband his in the wider public. As I said, I am concerned about his

political position. Is he what the public wants? We you go along with

what the Labour Party is saying about moving to a clear left-wing

anti-establishment position? -- Will you go along? He does not seem

very anti-establishment to me. is a former Treasury special

adviser. He is part of the Establishment himself. This will

take some work, at the very least. For me, I am not sure what they

take away from this. Would I go not to -- what was the key message from

this conference? There is a lot of mood music but not a key message

was dubbed we have a couple of Labour bloggers reverse. -- with us.

It is Liverpool, it is Labour. The task of Ed Miliband was to

establish himself as a character with his movement. Who is this guy

Miller Band? I am not only Blair. - - Tony Blair. That line went down

really well. He had a reasonably successful afternoon. Only David

Cameron could believe that you make ordinary families work harder by

making them poorer and you make the rich work harder by making them

richer. It is the wrong priority. It is based on the wrong values.

How dare they say we are all in it together? Of course if Ed Miliband

is to establish a relationship with the people he will have to make

friends with the media. We had this speech from Ivan Lewis.

industry should consider whether people guilty of gross malpractice

should be struck off. In other words, any journalist misbehaving

him or herself could be banned. Oh dear! That is me to the knacker's

yard. I would just speak to the police to make sure they are OK

with that sentence. And now to the sport. Who is that portly fellow?

He tackles pretty low in politics as well, they say. His speech was

toying with the idea of an apology but a politician like Ed Balls was

never going to find that easy. they so we make mistakes in

government, they are right. A 75p pension rise was a mistake, so was

the abolition of the 10 pence tax rate. We did not do enough to get

employers to train the work falls. We should have adopted tougher

controls on migration from Eastern Europe. We did not spend every

pound of public money well. We did not regulate the banks toughly

enough and stop the gross irresponsibility here in Britain

and all around the world. If we do not pay off the deficit now it will

be left to future generations. Lo and behold up one popped, a 16-

year-old from Maidstone. The home I lived in since birth was

repossessed. We had no money and savings. I owe my entire well-being

to the welfare state. That welfare state is being ripped apart by a

vicious and right wing led Tory government. We later learned he was

not such a son of a proletariat. He had been to private school and his

dad was a property developer. He is a face of tomorrow. Where are the

faces of the past? No Tony Blair, no Peter Mandelson, no Gordon Brown,

not even John Prescott. It is as though these security fences have

been designed to keep New Labour out. Oh well! Manchester next and

the Tories. See you there. Quentin Letts giving us his view. He makes

a point that a lot of the names of faces that have been ubiquitous at

Labour conferences since you were in short trousers were not further

share. There have been a lot of new ones. -- were not there. He made an

impromptu address without notes during the week. Also Yvette Cooper.

She has emerged, it Ed Miliband were to fall under a bus, she would

come up head and shoulders as the next leader. I would have to agree

on Yvette Cooper. Taking over from her husband? I think the burning

question is, whether she once said and how much she wants it? If she

wants it, it is hers. She was not in the mix last time but she would

be next time. Who has had a bad week? Without question Ed Miliband.

The last year he has successfully managed to remove the badge of Red

Ed and then said, I am Red Ed now. Now we are going to have to see

over the next few weeks him a tempting to cleanse his name.

not think he came out as Red Ed, I think he came out as A blue ed. He

has adopted a blue agenda. Every senior figure tells you something

different. We are very confused. A Shadow Cabinet reshuffle looks to

be around the corner. He has the power to have on board who he wants,

rather than he the MPs vote for. think we're going to see Chuka

Umunna in the Shadow Cabinet. one of the up and coming... And may

be some more women. I think there will need to be some rebalancing. I

quite like Stella but at think it is a bit early. We have a present

on the Daily Politics. We have some Tesco bourbon creams from hazel

Blears. She said I hope these keep you going next week. You might need

something to make you smile. Being generous, I am not taking them to

the Tories, I'm going to share them here. Have one of these and one of

these. Which batch would you like? -- badge. Very well, excellent.

Where are the biscuits for us? On their way. I am sending them down.

Politicians here in Britain may be busy enjoying themselves at their

respective conferences but out in the real world Europe is facing

financial meltdown. In an interview in the Spectator magazine, the

Foreign Secretary, William Hague, repeated his claim that the euro

was like a burning building with no exits. In order to try to find a

way out of the crisis, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has just

the EU's main bailout fund called the European Financial Stability

Facility. This was overhauled back in July and consists of a

commitment to boost bail out guarantees to 440 billion euros,

the hope being that it will be enough to calm the markets and help

However, many commentators have argued that given the current

climate much more will be needed in the long run. Also this week, the

eurozone countries agreed a deal that would see private lenders

write off 20% off their loans to Greece, although it is believed a

plan to allow Greece to default on around 50% of its debt is on the

cards. Yesterday the head of the European Commission Manuel Barroso

warned that Europe was facing its greatest challenge but said he

believed Greece would stay in the Eurozone. However, Nick Clegg will

later today warn European governments that the EU would

rupture if the eurozone countries make decisions without consulting

governments outside the single currency. I am joined now from

Strasbourg by the Conservative MEP, Daniel Hannan, and here in the

studio by Katinka Barysch of the Does this mean the end of the

crisis for Germany, Katinka Barysch? Certainly not. And it does

not mean the end of the euro crisis, either. The real debate is about

what we're going to do next. It is about having a bigger bail-out fund.

And it certainly is not the end of the political debate in Germany,

how much Germany wants to make available to help its neighbours,

what is Germany's new role in the European Union? It seems everyone

sees Germany as the powerhouse of Europe, and that they have to lead

the way, and there has been criticism that Angela Merkel has

tracked her feet - how do you think she has handled the crisis? She has

handled it in a very Angela Merkel kind of way. She has never been a

leader, she has always been cautious. In the beginning, we

liked her forehead. She was good at knocking heads together but she was

never a leader. The Germans have very little post-war experience of

leadership. The entire post-war period has been one of just neatly

fitting into European integration and NATO. And all of a sudden they

find themselves in this leadership situation, and it is slow, it is

awkward, they're to slow to do this. They are trying to catch up. Is it

right that the Germans should be the ones, bearing in mind they are

doing better, economically, should they not be the one has to lead the

bail-out? But they are paying the most, and they are trying to lead

from the front. It is not as if they are not trying. They are not

doing as well as the commentators and the markets would like them to

do. But they are trying to do what is feasible for them, financially

and politically. This vote today in the Bundestag is just one more step

in a much longer journey. Thank you for joining us, Daniel Hannan. What

do you think should happen now? do you think should happen now?

Katinka Barysch just said, the crisis has already moved on. The

talk now is of expanding the available resources to this almost

incredible amount of two trillion Euros. And this is going to be done

by borrowing. We are treating the debt crisis with a massive increase

in debt. Two questions immediately a rise - first of all, who are

guarantee an amount that large? The answer on paper is the ECB. But the

European Central Bank has been buying up so much junk debt that it

is almost a Bag bank already, by definition. So, the reality

standing behind this new debt other taxpayers of Greece, Italy, Spain,

Ireland, Portugal, in other words, that the tours are the same as the

guarantors. Where are we going to get two truly Euros from? -- the

debtors are the same as the guarantors. I suppose, what would

the alternative be, that's the question? Surely any alternative

would be even worse to borrowing even at these high interest rates,

because it would cost more in the long run? That's not correct. The

metaphor you used is interesting. The way to prevent contagion is

through quarantine. But the European Union is doing the

opposite, taking the finances of perfectly healthy countries and

degrading them by making them liable for the loans of other

countries. The alternative is to let each country pursue its own

monetary policy, determined by its own conditions. Clearly it is in

the interest of these countries to be able to price their way back

into the market. The only reason why this is not happening is

because people are trying to save face, because they have got so much

tied up politically in the euro project, and they are expecting the

people to pay an extraordinary price for it. What do you say, that

now is the time to draw the line, we should not be throwing good

money after bad? That's a very interesting point. I just spent

this morning with a Greek analyst and university professor, who made

the point to me very clearly, that he and the majority of the Greek

people do not actually believe that leaving the euro is a solution to

their problems. 66% of the Greeks do not want to leave the euro. Then,

they would have to massively default both on public and private

debt. You cannot repay massive debts and devalue the currency at

the same time. What about the other countries, do we care enough about

what happens to Greece? Obviously, the Greek austerity programme now

has become counter-productive, in the sense that it is straining the

economy, you cannot squeeze any more tax money out of an economy

that is shrinking for four years in a row. But what is right is that

Greece and some other European countries have to implement the

reforms, and the same applies to Germany in that respect. But these

are long-term programmes. The big problem that we have at the moment

is, how do we keep the euro together, so that we can implement

the long-term plans? I do not believe for one second that

splitting up the euro is the solution for the structural

problems that we have. And nor does Nick Clegg, Daniel Hannan - he has

said that we Shand shoulder to shoulder with the eurozone. He even

went as far as to say that actually they should not be making

agreements within the eurozone which do not include us outside. He

says we have to stick together... suspect that Nick Clegg, an old

friend of mine, is auditioning for his next job as the British nominee

to the European commission. You're not the first person to say that.

prosperous and stable countries on our doorstep. The euro takes 40% of

our exports, it is plainly in our interests to have other countries

growing. That is not the same as keeping the euro going. When it

becomes clear that the price of keeping the euro together is

permanent deflation, poverty and immigration for the southern

countries, and Permanent World countries for the northern

countries, so that both lots are growing more slowly than they

otherwise would, is not in our interests. They should not send us

the bill for that, either. We have no interest in such a policy.

briefly, what about this transaction tax that has been

talked about, the Tobin tax? What is your view on that?

transaction tax would raise something like 50 billion euros, of

which something like 40 billion euros would be coming from London.

In other words, we're being stuck with the bill to prop up the

currency which we declined to join. Both of you, thank you very much.

It started last year in Manchester, and ended in Liverpool. David was

fancied, but in the end, it was Ed, rebuilding the party after a

disastrous election defeat. How did the new leader measure up, and how

well is he suited to the job? We asked former Cabinet Minister Alan

# They seek him here, they seek him there.

# He has got to buy the best, because he's a dedicated follower

of fashion. Refashioning the Labour Party was

never going to be easy for Ed Miliband - taking on the worst job,

Leader of the Opposition, at the worst time, just after an election

defeat, and in the worst possible circumstances, after beating his

brother. Isn't the biggest favour that David Miliband can do to the

Labour Party to end this psychodrama? This is no psychodrama.

I came in on Saturday planning a slightly different week. I'm now

thinking what I'm going to do instead. But it is measuring up to

be a pretty good year for Labour. Party membership is increasing, we

are ahead in the polls, we had some notable successes in the local

elections, and so far, we have won # Oh, yes he is. OK, so, we were

stitched up in Scotland, and unfortunately for Ed, and for me,

the alternative vote did not suit the public. But despite the party

being split on the referendum, it did not damage the leader. In other

areas, Ed has bravely decided to do what he thinks is right. For

example, scrapping Shadow Cabinet elections, and making it clear that

he wants to change the rules for electing the party leader. In

respect of policy, Ed probably made life difficult for himself by

supporting the graduate tax and a blank sheet of paper probably

wasn't the best phrase to use. But this early in any parliament, no

opposition leader wants to pick policies off the peg, and Ed isn't

your typical party leader, forever chasing headlines. But the last 12

months have really been all about the cuts. Ed has been very clear

that we have to cut out koitt according to our cloth. But

sometimes that message has been lost. Our job is to fight and

preserve the things that we value... In parliament, aide is up against a

consummate performer, in David Cameron. Today, we learn that the

Foreign Secretary describes his gang as the children of Thatcher.

would rather be a child of Thatcher than a son of Brown. Whilst he has

taken some hits, he has also had some notable successes. He was

statesmanlike on Libya, he was strong on issues like cancer

sufferers, DNA, and of course, the hacking scandal, and David

Cameron's decision to hire Andy Coulson. He has got to accept that

he made a catastrophic error of judgment by bringing Andy Coulson

into the heart of his Downing Street machine. On reflection, I

think aide has had a good year. On personal issues, he has got a new

wife, a new baby, a different nose, and a brother less strange than he

seem to be a year ago. I think Ed Miliband has done extremely well,

and I think he will grow in confidence and in stature as his

That was Alan Johnson, part of the old guard, really. I'm now joined

by three bright young things - at least that's what it says on the

script. I'm talking about Gloria De Piero, John Woodcock and Lisa Nandy.

You all got elected last year for the first time. Let's see what you

make of it. His Ed Miliband right not to say that New Labour has one

out of steam, we need to build something new? What I'm really

pleased about his hearing Ed Miliband talk about things which

people want to talk to me about on the doorstep. So, New Labour, and

current Labour, whatever you want to call it, it is about being on

the side of the decent, hard- working majority of people. Ed has

said this week, the people at the top, some of those people have been

top, some of those people have been scoring people. But also, people

say to me, that guy around the corner, I'm hurting at the moment,

but he's taking benefits, and he does not seem to want to work. It

is about being on the side of the majority. You would have to

conclude that New Labour did not do any of that, which is why you're

any of that, which is why you're having to start again. The New

Labour project, as it was, led by Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, was

unquestionably the right thing for its time. And the level of

electoral success which it brought, and the changes it brought to

Britain, were hugely significant. But we are now in 2011. Ed was

right to say that I'm policy programme has got to move on, and

we have got to read direct the challenges that we know that we

need to face, so that in 2015, or whenever the election is, we're

putting forward policies which matter to the future of the country.

A from understand that New Labour had one out of steam, all political

projects run out of steam, Thatcherism ran out of steam, the

collective consensus after the Second World War over and out of

steam. But given that New Labour was electorally very successful for

you, and some former ministers would say, successful for the

country, I do not understand why you want to draw a line under it.

Because we saw an amazing amount of investment into some of the poorest

communities in this country. I saw some of that on the front line,

working with children in my previous job. But we also saw an

alarming growth in inequality. What Ed was saying on Wednesday was that

we did not do enough to create a level playing field, so that those

people who are genuinely trying to do the right thing are getting the

help that they need from the government. This government is not

doing that. It is actively going out and destroying people's lives

through the decisions that they are taking. Ed was saying, we urgently

You constantly changing and update. You start a new revolution. He is

so that it is going to be a new revolution. The basic principle of

New Labour was that we look out that the country are not into

ourselves. We understand the challengers. That is at the heart

of what the run to do under the leadership of Ed Miliband. He is

not budging. He has said that clearly. Do not think it is a moved

to the left? -- do you not? Politicians have said it is a move

to the left. Ed Miliband said he is not budging from the centre ground.

I think it is a move to where people are. When I knock on doors

around Wigan Dom they talk to you about producer and editor companies.

They say they're not getting support from the Government or a

decent deal from the banks. It is too easy for people to be undercut.

They want a better deal and a leather -- level playing-field.

is now saying that immigration did undercut people's wages but he is

not going to do anything about it. He is saying that he is on the side

of strivers and he does not want people to be doing nothing if they

can work. You are never going to out to the coalition on welfare

reform. We have to be really tough on setting the right conditions

which help and cajole people off benefit and into work. We did make

very significant progress in government. They need to do much

more. What was the significant progress? In 90 until seven you

started with 5 million people of working age out of work. -- 1997.

The financial crisis that hit come up which knocked this economy and

economies across the world, is going to take a very significant

effort to recover from. It showed that the financial industry,

unchecked, was not operating in the long-term interests of the British

economy. We have been absolutely clear we should have done more. The

Conservatives were arguing for us to regulate less. The lesson from

that is that governments should not be neutral on the kind of economy

we want to build and the kind of growth we want to support in our

communities. A quick word from you. The hardest point in politics is to

workout where Peter macro is. not sure where that is. We do not

have much time. We are still in Liverpool. There is no script, this

is all and lip. They're cheering a Lib Dem councillor who has joined

Labour. Tell us why you go on to Thursday. He ate his Giles. We have

done policy, we have done leadership. -- here is Giles was

dug should the leader's speech be the last event of conference? Made

it or leave it. The leader's speech is the big thing and the way

everyone goes. They go home and go, what was that about the game? What

we take to our party? What to be tell on the doorstep. What sound

bites to ride take? I think it helps. Which you leave it or move

I think there is a big build up to the leader's speech. You need time

to absorb what has been said and discuss it. I think it would be

better at the end for those attending conference. Ed Miliband,

today's Daily Politics made box is, should you move your speech to the

last event of conference? Send them home with basing. I am happy it is

out of the way. We have two dozen members of the public coming to

talk to us. You can relax a bit. -- 2000. It is not just about the

leader telling us what he thinks it is about policy. The party leader

can listen as well as speak. speech cliffs every ruddy up. --

lifts everybody up. You should end on a big high note. That is a

speech from the leader. We are not getting quite so many people

involved. Not because they do not like the question that because they

are not so many around. That lets you know why maybe move it is

winning. So, the last day of the conference, but there is a clear

message coming from the managers of the party with our mood box today.

They would move the leader's speech to the last day. That was Giles.

They are giving another cheer to the Lib Dem who has joined Labour.

Let's deal with the big issues of our time. Should the leader's

speech be on the last day? I would not mind considering it. There

probably is an argument for looking after it. It is worth thinking

about. I am not sure the fever- pitch excitement from journalists

would build up all week if we let it go on a Tuesday. What do you

think? I would move it. That speech injects a sense of energy in the

conference. It is a chance to respond to what he has been told

throughout the week. Having members of the public here has been a great

change. Ed Miliband, did he performed better in the question

and answers session and he did in his speech? I found him engaging in

both. I was really moved by the speech. Which one? In terms of the

way the media has written it up... Yesterday was more successful but I

thought it was a good speech. brilliant in the way he is engaging

with the public. He is one of those rare politicians who listens to

people. He has asked me to do a Daily Politics Q&A special with a

live audience. We are considering it. High point of the week?

speech. Low point? The couple are people who booed Tony Blair. High

point? Yvette Cooper putting across The Record we have had in

government. Low-point? We have got to show to the public, looking at

this, that the most successful leader we have ever had is not

something that we should be going. The Tony Blair think the stock

higher point? Inspirational head teacher introducing Andy Burnham

yesterday. Low-point? No low-point. Love it. Your leader could not name

the candidates for the Labour these should contest in Scotland. Can

you? Ken, Joanne and Tom. There we go. Can you name the three of them?

What I say is they have is Tom Harris, there is Duran Lamont and a

third candidate. -- Duran. Ken Macintosh is the front runner. He

will be an excellent candidate. guess when you get it wrong it is

best to admit it, isn't it? Miliband is a human being. Have you

ever forgot and a name? I have not, Georgina! So, you enjoyed the

conference anyway? Yes. What a great city Liverpool is! The Labour

government has transformed the docks. Have you ever answered the

question and not tried to make a party political point? When your

mum says come up with two white meat or fish for dinner? Do you say,

I will have meet because under Labour beach house got bigger? --

the cows. Harriet Harman is just about to start speaking. We will

give you some highlights before we go off air in 20 minutes. Back to

London. I had two people with me who sneaked out early. Welcome to

both of you. Can I start with you? You work with Tony Blair. The cheer

went up went Ed Miliband said, I am not only Blair. How did you feel?

It disgusted me. -- Tony Blair. Ed Miliband should have said, whatever

you think about Tony Blair and the Iraq will, he won more elections

than any Labour leader in history. Afterwards, a lot of people... I

think at the time people did not know what to do. How could you

respond? It was a badly phrased speech. It was. He paused as if

something should have happened. Miliband was mortified by it

afterwards. He was, absolutely. He went to say, I am not only Blair, I

am not Gordon-Brown, I am my own man. -- Tony Blair. There has been

a lot of talk about the shift to the left. What were you left with?

I was left with a sense of frustration. Talking about

responsibility. It is the right questions to ask. The credibility

is not there. What he needed to in his speech was get his fiscal

credibility back. He said he would not have done every single cup the

Government did. It makes him look like a weak leader. The other big

problem is a lot of the other suggestions, the stuff about good

businesses and bad businesses, it reminds me of the times when they

were in opposition. It is not taking them anywhere. Tuition fees

and a graduate tax... It looks like, or they would do is spend lots of

money and run up a lot of debts again. In terms of what Ed Miliband

had to do, here you raise the issue of the predator issues, it has been

talked about extensively. Maybe the mood music was, that people did not

think it was the greater speech ever. You talk about the squeezed

middle, some of the concepts were there. The most interesting

response to that speech was from the Daily Mail. It said the speech

touched a chord with many ordinary Britons. That is what he was aiming

to do - raised, in a sense... In my view, the middle classes are doing

really badly at the moment. They have no political party to express

what they want. The coalition are going to take away child benefit

from double and a couples. Ed Miliband is Beijing himself towards

being the party of the organised working class and the angry middle

classes. That is a fairly positive note. In terms of, we have got

another three years, there is a long time to go, isn't there? Quite

a long time to go to stage yourself to that point. Now we know there is

a fixed Parliament. He has some problems. People do not think he is

a Prime Minister character. People cannot see him in the job. People

are cynical about politics. The problem with his speech was, you

knew he was not going to be able to do a lot of the things he was

promising so, in that sense, he was making the problem worse. He has

said he wants to get energy bills down. People really care about that.

Then he says, because of climate change energy bills will have to go

up. It is kind of not credible. That reinforces the worst fears of

people about politicians. It does not make him look like a leader.

What you think the state of the Labour Party years at the moment?

It has clear direction. The Shadow Cabinet have to fill out the

details of that. The Labour Party is waking for a break through.

Since the coalition, Labour has gone up to 39% in the polls. It

needs to go up over 40%. Ed Miliband needs to make a connection

with the public. That has been said with some of the addresses about

the squeezed middle. Thank you both In a moment we will be speaking to

the Shadow Communities Secretary, schadenfreude. But first, let's see

what Harriet Harman has been saying to the party faithful before they

leave the conference. Our thoughts are with them and

their families. We have heard this week about the process of renewal

under way in Scottish Labour, and I would like to pay tribute to Iain

Gray. His passionate speech at this conference shows he is the Best

First Minister Scotland never had. APPLAUSE This week we have had a

sharp focus on our campaign for the Greater London assembly and for

Mayor of London. What does Tory Boris Johnson stand

for? Higher fares for Londoners, lower tax for bankers. Let's face

it, Boris is in it for himself, Labour's Ken Livingstone is in it

for London. And we say, yes, we Ken. The spirit and enthusiasm of labour

has run throughout this conference. We go forward with the new

supporters' Network, a more powerful role for local councillors,

the historic decision, a first for any political party in this country,

to always have a woman in the leadership team, the brilliant

innovation of Jim Murphy, to have Labour friends of the forces, and a

stronger voice for young people in our party. And we have heard many

of those voices this week. Many of them have been at our conference

for the first time, some as young as 16, speaking with such

conviction. With the Tory-Lib Dem attack on the Future Jobs Fund, on

EMA, on tuition fees, the Government have hit the prospects

for young people, but young people are hitting back. We have seen here,

this week, the dynamic, a new It would like to say a huge thank

you to Ray Collins, our very own blond bombshell. He stepped into

the role of general secretary at a really difficult time. He stepped

up to the plate, with tremendous passion for the party. Ray. He has

built a firm foundation for the future. I would like to give a big

thank you to everyone who has worked so hard to make everything

this week go like clockwork - the party staff and volunteers, the

porters and the stewards, our own Red Army. Thank you very much

This week has been a turning point. Aide has shown his bold and

optimistic vision of the future. We have challenge the unspoken

orthodoxies which have governed Britain for too long, and we have

we founded on party, so that we can be a force which changes people's

Harriet Harman bringing the conference to an end. Not quite the

end yet, because there will be a bit of music. While we watch these

pictures, we have got filmic instant in here with us. Have you

enjoyed the conference? Yes, it has been great. We have done a lot to

encourage people for standing for next year's local elections. It has

been a good conference. Reading the comments about this so-called

Shadow Cabinet reshuffle, I cannot work out whether you're going to be

fired or promoted. I really do not know. What is your instinct? You're

so busy, you do not actually see much of the news. I just try to do

the best job I can, Andrew. I have very much enjoyed doing my brief on

this. It has given me the opportunity to think about how we

reconnect with our local government base. They're singing the Red Flag,

an old Labour tradition, which I think Mr Blair would have liked to

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have got rid of, if he was still # And did those feet, in ancient

time. # Walk upon England's mountains

# And was the Holy Lamb of God. # On England's pleasant pastures

seen. # And did the countenance divine

shine for upon our clouded hills. # Bring me my bow of burning fire.

The Labour conference coming to an end with the traditional singing of

Jerusalem, after A&E at the Red Flag. Of course, they have to hand

out the words to the Red Flag these days. Just in case, people are a

bit tired at the end of the week. Many people think Jerusalem should

be England's national anthem, not Britain's. I suppose we're

expecting a Shadow Cabinet reshuffle, because for the first

time, the Labour leader has the power to choose his or her own

Shadow Cabinet. Exactly. I think that has been an important

transition in the last year. If you look back at what has been

significant for Ed, that is up there. He made the decision that

that was what he wanted to do, and brought the party with him. It

helps him define himself, and what sort of team he wants. Are you

comfortable with the direction of the party, in the sense that it is

not saying, New Labour has run out of steam, it is time to inject new

life for a new era, but saying, New Labour is over, and we're going to

start something new? I'm not sure it is saying that. I just think

about what it meant to me, when I got involved and the party. For me,

it was always about the Labour Party getting itself to a place

where it could reflect modern aspects of our lives, but still

holding on to the principles which we built our party on. I don't

think that has changed. But we have to move on. The problem was that

New Labour was so associated with two individuals, and we cannot

allow that to capture us for the rest of time. It is about moving

forward, but dealing with the challenges of today and tomorrow.

Are you not open to the criticism of your opponents that it

represents a clear move to the left? Mr Miliband does not talk

about the market economy any more. He talks about the centre, but he

implies that the centre has moved left, to him. I don't think it is

about moving to the left. I look at Yvette Cooper's speech on law and

order. We are defending things like DNA records, CCTV, police numbers.

I have talked about changing the way in which we allocate social

housing, to make sure that working people on low incomes get a shot.

Those incomes have been supported by Ed. But there are some

challenges which we have to face up to. The financial system, we did

not regulate it well enough. And there have been concerns over the

past few years about parts of business, and how it operates.

There are some good examples of businesses which develop their work

force and work with communities. There are others, for example,

businesses which go into liquidation, having not paid their

business rates, leaving their staff without any wages, and then they

can just start up again under another name. It is talking about

the bad practices, but in doing that, we are not anti-wealth or

anti-enterprise. Yvette Cooper was here in this very seat yesterday,

and I put it to her that the riots had happened under a Conservative

coalition, but the rioters, most of them were Labour's children. You're

the shadow Communities Secretary, where were you during the riots?

was away, but when I came back, I went to visit Lewisham, Croydon and

Birmingham, to talk to people. Should you have had a higher

profile? I think Ed wanted Yvette Cooper to handle it because it was

very much a policing issue in the first instance. The follow-up was

how the councils responded. But just to say something about your

point about, these are our children, I think in terms of some of these

cases, the rot set in long before that. We did not have riots in

Doncaster, but we are still suffering from the loss of coal

mining, and families with unemployment across the generations.

And there are issues around families in London and elsewhere

where that is the case. But it does not excuse the fact, when I went to

Croydon, I was being told this was not the young people of Croydon, it

was organised criminals taking advantage of the situation. Thank

you very much. We have got a lot of work to do, or you have got a lot

of work to do, to get this across to the country. Of course, we earns

them seats in May, but I think the direction is good. We have just got

to make sure that the way we communicate it, and the way we talk

about practical policies going forward, strikes a nerve with the

public. That's it from our live coverage of the Labour Party

conference of 2011 AD. I will say that again, AD. Ed Miliband has

signalled a break with the past, but he has yet to colour in the

future. Labour leaves Liverpool now, facing a long and winding road

ahead. We leave Liverpool, too. But not before thanking the city and

its people for their magnificent Conference Centre, and the warmth

and the quality of their hospitality. We look forward to the

next time. Our coverage does not finish here. Giles is back tonight,

with the usual round-up programme, on BBC Two. He's doing that because

on BBC Two. He's doing that because I'm over on BBC One this week, with

Michael Portillo, Alan Johnson, and many mam Alvin Hall, and the legend