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Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics. Almost half of | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
Conservative backbenchers defy David Cameron to vote against the | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
Government and back a referendum on our relationship with Europe. We | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
will be assessing the fall-out from this massive Tory rebellion. | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
Nicolas is sick of being criticised by David. David says he will not | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
shut up about Europe. Silvio says he wants no lessons from Angela and | :00:50. | :00:57. | |
Nicolas. When the hissy fits are over, who will wield power in | :00:57. | :01:03. | |
Europe? It costs �4.2 billion per year, but | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
what are we doing to tackle the obesity epidemic? It is as stupid | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
to tell me to pull myself together as pointing at an alcoholic lying | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
in the street and telling them to quit drinking. | :01:18. | :01:25. | |
Coming up in the next half an hour, all of that. Derek Hatton is with | :01:25. | :01:32. | |
us for the duration. He supported the militant tendency when he was | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
leader of Liverpool City Council. I hear they were big in the 80s! | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
David Cameron also faced his big rebellion. How bad was it? Worse | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
than they thought. Let's look at what happened in closer detail. | :01:48. | :01:58. | |
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David Cameron easily won the vote by 183 -- 483 to 111. 79 rebelled | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
against him, plus two tellers and two abstentions. Another 12 were | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
absent, giving 81 rebels. Even John Major never faced such a rebellion | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
over Europe when he was Prime Minister. The biggest he faced was | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
in 1993141 MPs voted against the Maastricht treaty. -- in 1993, when | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
41 MPs. 50 of the rebels on un peace since 2010, it so David | :02:27. | :02:34. | |
Cameron could have a rebellious party on his hands. -- 50 of them | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
are new MPs. People are saddened and disillusioned by being fobbed | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
off, as they see it, by the political elite, who always seem to | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
find a reason to stop them having their say. The eurozone is clearly | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
in crisis. To pile upon that uncertainty the further uncertainty | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
of a referendum on leaving the European Union, when half the | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
foreign direct investment coming into Britain comes from the | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
European Union and half of our exports go out to the European | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
Union, that is not responsible action for Her Majesty's Government | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
to take. I am not prepared to go back on my words to my constituents. | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
And I am really staggered, really staggered, that loyal people like | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
me have been put in this position. If Britain's future as an | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
independent country is not a proper matter for a referendum, then I | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
have absolutely no idea what is. This is about whether or not we | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
give the people, the hundreds of thousands of people that want to | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
have a chance to discuss this, whether we give them the chance to | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
have a debate. At the moment, to have a debate which might lead to a | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
referendum about whether Britain is going to go into the European Union | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
or leave it, that is such a massive distraction from the real issues | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
that this country and the rest of Europe has to address. It is for us | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
backbenchers to say to Her Majesty's Government, stiffen your | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
sign used, summon up the blood, imitate the action of a tiger and | :04:10. | :04:19. | |
that is how you should behave towards our European partners. | :04:19. | :04:26. | |
was the flavour of the debate. We're getting reports that the | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
Prime Minister is that a military base in Bedford. That is quite | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
ominous. Maybe he is following Gaddafi? If we hear anything from | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
him, we will give you the clip. We hear he is being interviewed about | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
the follow-up from the debate. We are joined by George Young, leader | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
of the House of Commons, Ann Tim Montgomerie, editor of Conservative | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
Home website. How bad is this rebellion? How significant for | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
David Cameron? I think it is very significant on two levels. Firstly, | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
to have 81 of your own MPs rebelling is a significant defiance. | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
Plus the abstentions. And the abstentions. Once you have rebelled | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
once, you get into the habit of defying your Government and you can | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
do it more easily the second or third time. I think it is about | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
Europe as well. Some people say the Conservative Party is more united | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
on Europe than it has ever been but that is not true. You could have | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
fooled me! The centre has definitely moved into a euro- | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
sceptic direction. With the new intake? We used to have Michael | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
Heseltine on one side, the enthusiasts, and then the euro- | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
sceptics on the other side. The new division is a majority of euro- | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
sceptics wanting fundamental and partial renegotiation. But a | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
significant number want to leave the European Union altogether. That | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
division is as big as the old one, but different. It can only be | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
resolved by a referendum. David Cameron cannot resolve it. You can | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
manage it better but it has to be resolved by a vote from the British | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
people and only then will they stop talking about this issue. If you | :06:06. | :06:15. | |
add up the abstentions, 50% of the non- pourri role Tories defied a | :06:15. | :06:22. | |
three-line whip. -- non- pay roll Tories. David Cameron always knew | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
that there would be a spread of issues on this issue and it got one | :06:26. | :06:34. | |
defy last night. -- has spread of opinions on this issue and it got | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
quantified last night. Opinions have shifted. David Cameron always | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
said he wanted fundamental reform of the EU, refashioning our | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
membership and bringing back powers. To that extent, I think the party | :06:48. | :06:55. | |
is united on the broader objections. What there is disagreement on is | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
the means. The House of Commons last night said that the concept of | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
a three-way referendum now was not the right way to reach the | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
objective that most Conservative share. Let's get this straight. How | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
many people wake up this morning, really giving a damp about being in | :07:11. | :07:20. | |
Europe? It is weighed down on anybody's priority list when they | :07:20. | :07:27. | |
wake up. In real terms, if you said to people... If you said to people | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
about Europe, they would side what I say. Either we are in, or we are | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
out. The problem is the mish-mash in the middle which we have had for | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
20 years which is so counter- productive. I think where you are | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
wrong is that European issues are way down the pecking order when it | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
is expressed in abstract terms, but when we connected with the economy, | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
we cannot control our borders, human rights laws, then people | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
actually care a lot. The idea of the European Union does not excite | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
them but the way it affects our future does. I want to look at the | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
Tory party but we do have footage of the Prime Minister are reacting | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
to the vote this morning. politics you have to confront the | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
big issues, rather than trying to sweep them under the carpet and | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
that is what we did yesterday. This has always been a difficult issue | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
for my party and it always will be but the important thing is doing | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
the right thing for the country and it would not be right for the | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
country to have an outright referendum and all the rest of it. | :08:31. | :08:40. | |
What I would say from last night, on my part there is no blood but, - | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
- no bad blood. I understand why people feel strongly and we will go | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
forward together and tackle the difficult decisions that the | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
country faces. The Prime Minister with his military escort in the | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
background! And some big military hardware! Maybe things are | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
happening and we do not know about! Tim Montgomerie, you wrote in the | :08:59. | :09:05. | |
Guardian this morning. You think this goes beyond Europe. You think | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
that David Cameron has very few favours in the bank with his | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
backbenchers. Talking-to the rebels yesterday, lot of them were divided | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
and found this difficult. But some of them took relish in poking the | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
Prime Minister in the eye. Lot of Conservative MPs do not feel part | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
of the Government. You said they enjoyed the rebellion and actively | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
distrusted him. They do not trust him to repatriate any powers. | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
did an opinion poll of grassroots members and Conservative MPs are | :09:37. | :09:43. | |
Conservative Home. We asked whether they thought to the Prime Minister | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
was serious about repatriating powers and 64% said they did not | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
think so. That is why people were voting for this motion to put | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
pressure on the Prime Minister. party does not trust the leader. | :09:53. | :09:59. | |
that issue. He this is a rebellious Parliament, firstly. There have | :09:59. | :10:06. | |
been more rebellious, especially among the newer MPs. Lots of the | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
MPs that I have listened to, those that voted against the party last | :10:11. | :10:18. | |
night, it did so with reluctance, thinking long and hard about it. | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
64% of the Tory MPs do not trust the Prime Minister to deliver the | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
bacon when it comes to Europe. back to what Derek has said. The | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
majority of the party is worried about other issues. They are | :10:30. | :10:36. | |
delighted the Prime Minister is putting grows on the agenda. If you | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
look at the opinion polling of the Prime Minister, he is way ahead of | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
his party but Ed Miliband is way behind. The standing of the Prime | :10:43. | :10:50. | |
Minister is robust. Let me ask you this. The Conservatives... There | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
was no mention of repatriation of powers. We got it wrong on the | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
Daily Politics. There was no mention of repatriation of powers | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
in the Tory manifesto. What it said was that if there was another | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
Lisbon Treaty, another move of giving more power to brothels, then | :11:06. | :11:15. | |
you would call a referendum on that. -- to Brussels. If the Germans used | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
the eurozone crisis to create a fiscal union, deeper integration, | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
which will require changes to the treaties, would you use that as a | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
window to repatriate powers? Prime Minister was asked this | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
yesterday in the House of Commons and the answer was that we do not | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
know what the Germans will propose. Also we do not know if there will | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
be total agreement between the European countries and it is simply | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
too soon to pose that question because we do not know what the | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
treaties will do. It is your party's policy now. Your party's | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
policy is to have a more deeper, integrated fiscal union for the | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
eurozone. That is what you are pushing and it is what the Germans | :11:58. | :12:05. | |
want. So if that happens, will you use that all were you not use that | :12:05. | :12:12. | |
as an opportunity to attend to repatriate powers? -- or will you | :12:12. | :12:20. | |
not? If there was an attempt... are kidding yourself. I need to pin | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
him down on this. That is not what I am asking. I know about your | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
policy. I am asking if there are treaty changes to accommodate your | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
Government's policy and the aspirations of the Germans, to | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
create a fiscal union within the eurozone, is that an opportunity | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
for you or is it not to repatriate powers? The Prime Minister answered | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
that question. It depends on what is proposed, how far it gets and | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
whether that is the right time to press our agenda, or Wetherby Road | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
priority is sorting out the eurozone crisis, which everybody | :12:56. | :13:06. | |
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wants to do. -- or whether it the priority. Nick Clegg has said there | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
would be no repatriation of powers and renegotiation is not on the | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
agenda. Is that true? Look at the coalition agreement. It looks at | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
the balance of competencies within the EU. You of a Cabinet minister | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
that we have here. Can renegotiation happen or not happen | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
this side of the next election? could happen depending on what is | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
proposed in the treaty. Do you think it will? It depends what the | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
Germans propose, whether people agree and whether it is the right | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
time to push the issue. I know what I am defeated and will not get an | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
answer. Thank you. While Parliament is squabbling over | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
how closely we should be involved in Europe, the eurozone continues | :13:51. | :13:59. | |
to flounder. There is another summit in Brussels on Wednesday. | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
David Cameron is trying to come up with the big enough package to | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
tackle the eurozone sovereign debt crisis. They are running out of | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
time and the solution has to be found before the G20 meeting on | :14:13. | :14:21. | |
November 3rd and 4th, including a Barack Obama. An important | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
confidence indicator came up this morning showing that Europe is on | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
the brink of another recession, no more than in France. They have real | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
problems. When the dust has settled, we could be looking at a radically | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
different EU. We thought it was time to bring out the Daily | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
Politics wedding cake, this time at the prospect of a two or three-tier | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
Europe. Sitting on the top of the cake, Angela Merkel and Nicolas | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
Sarkozy. But he clashed with David Cameron, saying that he was sick of | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
being criticised and being told what to do. Nicolas Sarkozy had | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
tried to insist that the meeting should be restricted to the 17 | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
eurozone leaders. But David Cameron won has battled to make sure that | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
all 27 member states would attend, but only for one-hour meeting | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
before the 17 broke away separately the final negotiations. Angela | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy have also looked down from their lofty | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
position to tell Silvio Berlusconi to take more radical measures to | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
tackle Italy's huge debt. He hit back after being humiliated in this | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
way. Now there are suggestions that the two or three-tier Europe could | :15:37. | :15:46. | |
be formalised as soon as December with a soupy eurozone excluding | :15:46. | :15:55. | |
members like the UK. -- Super eurozone. Some members might like | :15:55. | :16:01. | |
to join this but it could leave the UK with less influence. Nick Clegg | :16:01. | :16:11. | |
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I have always advocated a vote on Europe. We don't know what the | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
Germans are proposing. If you listen to them talking, it is a | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
very technical tweak in the treaty, many other countries oppose it. We | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
should stop tilting at windmills about threats and challenges which | :16:33. | :16:42. | |
simply are not there right now. Nick Clegg, quite categorical that | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
for him it is not on the agenda this side of the election, which | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
may be why David Cameron doesn't really want to create a big fight | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
about this because he knows it may split the coalition apart. We are | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
joined by the Conservative MP george, who tried to table a | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
conciliatory amendment to last night's vote. In the end the | :17:08. | :17:14. | |
government said they were not doing that. Therefore he abstained. | :17:14. | :17:20. | |
Welcome. Are you comfortable with your government pours policy now, | :17:20. | :17:26. | |
urging a deeper fiscal integration for the euro-zone? I think it is | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
more of a decision for those countries in the euro-zone. They | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
understand that but are you comfortable with the government? | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
They are right - if the Euro is to succeed, they need to integrate | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
more deeply. We knew that, it was one of the main arguments against | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
Britain joining the euro. Unless there is a political acceptance of | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
that within countries like Germany and France, it will cause future | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
problems. It was one thing for the German public to integrate with | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
East Germany and take on board the liability, but will they want to | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
have mutual liability with countries like Italy and Greece. | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
That is not what I want to get into this morning. Are you comfortable | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
advocating an approach for the 17 of the euro-zone that we would not | :18:18. | :18:24. | |
be part of ourselves? We are really saying, you go for it but we will | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
not be part of it. I think we should not be telling them what to | :18:28. | :18:34. | |
do. You agree with Nicolas Sarkozy? I wouldn't put it the way he does, | :18:34. | :18:44. | |
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but it is a big political decision for them to have a fiscal union. | :18:44. | :18:54. | |
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is a joke, he is sitting there.... I am saying you are either in or | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
out. He will have no influence whatsoever, it is a gesture. | :18:59. | :19:05. | |
don't need it because we have control of our own economy. How can | :19:05. | :19:12. | |
we have control of our own economy? It turned out it was a good boat to | :19:12. | :19:20. | |
miss during the euro, we did the right thing. There is only one | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
interviewer when I am doing these things. George Eustice, are you | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
clear in your mind that if the euro-zone comes to an agreement | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
over sovereign debt involving the 17, does that agreement have to be | :19:37. | :19:47. | |
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approved by the 27? I think it does. I think we do, and we have to stop | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
trying to find a way to not talk about this and confront the issue. | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
The reason we are in this mess is because deeper integration has been | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
a failure and we need to have this debate. Rather than saying there | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
won't be a treaty because no other countries want one, Britain should | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
be saying we want the treaty and we want to confront this issue. It is | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
tied up in getting the economy going again. We have the burden of | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
new EU laws every week. A let's assume for this discussion that is | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
true, all the more bizarre that it is almost impossible to work out | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
what your party's policy is now. was trying to find out from George | :20:29. | :20:36. | |
Young, what is your understanding of the policy? If the Europeans go | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
down this road, isn't that an opening to start repatriating past | :20:41. | :20:48. | |
London? It is clear in the agreement that we would examine the | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
competences of the European Union, that is why my amendment called for | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
a White Paper to fulfil that commitment. But the coalition | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
agreement refers to powers going to the EU as a whole. That is not what | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
is on the cards at the moment. What is on the cards is at the euro-zone | :21:08. | :21:15. | |
getting more powers for itself. I asked again, if that happens, is | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
that the Government's opportunity to repatriate power or not? What | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
the coalition agreement says is that it would examine the existing | :21:25. | :21:32. | |
competences of the EU. So what is the answer to my question? That | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
that is our policy. The government should be producing a white paper. | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
If George Young could not tell me that, he said it depended on the | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
nature of the euro-zone renegotiation. My position is that | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
if they reintegrate more deeply, this is an opportunity to have a | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
fresh start. I am not here to speak on behalf of the government, this | :21:55. | :22:03. | |
is my personal view. At times of crisis, the future belongs to those | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
with a plan. It is a problem that cost �4.2 billion a year and | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
affects a quarter of the population - obesity is an urgent issue, but | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
have governments been taking the right step to tackle it? | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
Not according to Derek Hatton, who has a personal interest in | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
addressing the issue. We have been speaking to one woman who faces up | :22:25. | :22:35. | |
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to what she describes as an addiction. I am in a lot of pain | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
are a lot of the time. It depends if I am having a good or a bad day, | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
but my back aches, my shins ached. Walking to the bus-stop is a chore, | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
and on top of that there is the emotional pain. People avoid | :22:56. | :23:04. | |
catching your eye and avoid sitting next to you on the bus. When I feel | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
bad about myself I get over emotional, and then I eat too much. | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
Emma Burnell has been struggling with food and her weight since she | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
was a teenager. Being fat makes her on happy and she is trying to lead | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
a healthier life. She is getting counselling, but public health | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
officials concerned about obesity don't even appear to understand the | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
problem. Most people will go out and have too much to read, or eat a | :23:35. | :23:42. | |
burger when they know they should be eating a sell land. -- a salad. | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
It is when it becomes over reliance, that is when you have a problem. | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
How common is that? In my opinion, I don't want to talk to everybody | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
who feels and looks like me, but inappropriate relationships with | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
food is extremely common but an extremely hidden aspect of our | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
society. At the government recently launched a new strategy to deal | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
with obesity, they want us as a country to eat 5 billion fewer | :24:09. | :24:16. | |
calories each day. In what has been dubbed as a call to action, they | :24:16. | :24:22. | |
want us to eat less and be more active. Most of it is really | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
patronising. Education is important, of course, but I am a very bright | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
woman. I have a university degree, I work in a high Lovell job, and I | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
know that basically the way to lose weight is through diet and exercise | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
but it is more complicated. When I hear people saying pull yourself | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
together, it is just diet and exercise, it is as stupid as | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
pointing to an alcoholic and telling them to quit drinking. | :24:53. | :24:59. | |
I am joined by the shadow health minister Diane Abbott and Derek | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
Hatton. She is saying it is an addiction, and illness. Obesity is | :25:06. | :25:14. | |
not the disease, it is a disgrace. People have choices, and if people | :25:14. | :25:22. | |
are obese, in the vast majority, it is either because they eat too much | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
or they don't exercise enough. That is true, but the worry I have when | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
you hear people like that is it is almost ignoring that as a fact. | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
What you do to get to that stage is a discussion we can have. At the | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
end of the day, the reality is you are eating too much and not | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
exercising enough. You listen to that goal, it is almost as if it is | :25:49. | :25:55. | |
a big addiction, there is no way I can get out of it. You can, stop | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
eating and start exercising. people need help in that sense. In | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
2010, a report said significant progress in cutting hospital | :26:03. | :26:10. | |
waiting times have been undermined by failing to tackle obesity. Not | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
enough was done - do you accept that? Yes, we could have done more. | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
It leads to diabetes, cancer, strokes, high blood pressure, and | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
it cost the health service millions. What sort of public health campaign | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
should be done? Do they achieve anything? Some of the money that | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
was spent was wasted on leaflets and the rest of it, but I have seen | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
interesting programmes in schools where you work with individual | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
children and families around being more active and looking at what | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
they all lead. When you have a fat child, the family has bad eating | :26:50. | :26:56. | |
habits generally. Things like banning trans fats, which are no | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
good to anybody, and when the government says it is about | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
personal choice and control, that is wrong. What about the dependency | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
culture this government seems to want to tackle, do you think that | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
has led to high rates of obesity? I'd do. I think that over the years | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
people have sat back and thought people will do this for us. | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
they want gastric bounds. People have got to do it themselves. In | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
some ways it is against the political line I would have taken | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
before, but people have to realise they have power over them own lives. | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
I am involved in a campaign to get people to use their bicycle to go | :27:39. | :27:46. | |
to work. You talk to the employers of those people with bikes, and | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
they say they get a more diligent workforce, a much more keen work | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
force and a happier workforce. People have got to realise that | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
when they start getting healthier, they are in many ways ready to take | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
on the world. Do you agree with the government to use more stick and | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
less carrot? Jamie Oliver and others, all of those specialist in | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
the field say the Government's so- called obesity strategy is rubbish. | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
It is relying too much on multinationals and fast food | :28:19. | :28:25. | |
manufacturers to do the right thing, and not enough providing practical | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
help like schemes like Derek's. We need a proper strategy, people need | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
real help. Carrots for lunch, biking home? | :28:36. | :28:44. |