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Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics on Friday. Is Europe | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
facing "Armageddon"? Or at the very least a Lost Decade? There are | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
fears the crisis in Europe could tip the whole world back into | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
recession. President Obama appealed directly | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
to European leaders last night to take drastic action to avert global | :00:41. | :00:51. | |
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In the face of the euro crisis, can Britain avoid another downturn? As | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
the Chancellor prepares his autumn statement there is a fierce battle | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
raging across Government about how to save the economy. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
As Theresa May fights for her political survival in a row about | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
Britain's borders, we ask a former Home Secretary if the Home Office | :01:06. | :01:16. | |
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All that coming in the next 30 minutes of public service | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
broadcasting at its finest. With me today, no expense spared. Mehdi | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
Hasan from the New Statesman and Rachel Sylvester from the Times. | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
Welcome to you both. As we come on air the Greeks are due to swear in | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
their new Prime Minister. His name is Lucas Papademos. We | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
reported he would be the new Prime Minister of Greece a week ago, and | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
we were wrong and then, but we are right now. We might be wrong again | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
He's a former vice-president of the European Central Bank. The Italians | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
are also likely to appoint a so- called technocrats government led | :01:53. | :02:00. | |
by the former EU commissioner Mario Monti. You Macie a bit of a pattern | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
here, a former central bank European governor coming in, into | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
Athens and Rome to replace democratically-elected politicians. | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
The Italian senate is voting later on austerity measures designed to | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
avoid a bailout. But will these technocrats be able to save the | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
euro and prevent economic disaster? Can they prevent economic disaster | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
and carry their people with them? There is now increasing anxiety | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
that across the pond but the Eurozone's inability to sort itself | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
but could drag America into recession again. The US Treasury | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
Secretary said this morning that Europe must move quickly to resolve | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
the crisis. Maybe you should not hold his breath. Nick Clegg said | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
this morning time was running out. The situation is clearly very | :02:48. | :02:55. | |
serious. The clock is ticking. We don't have much more time to wait. | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
We need a solution, eight decisive solution and the Eurozone, not just | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
for euro-zone itself for all UK, but for the world economy. That is | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
why with each passing day the urgency for a clear, decisive | :03:09. | :03:17. | |
solution becomes ever more pressing. We're joined now by the editor of | :03:17. | :03:26. | |
City AM, Allister Heath. Even if nothing dramatic happens, are we in | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
much doubt that the Eurozone and probably Britain as well I heading | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
back into recession next year? afraid that's very likely. The | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
Eurozone is already in recession and the UK economy may be | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
contracting as a re- -- direct result of that. The problem is, if | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
you're a business in Britain, you don't want to invest or hire people | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
because you do not know how bad the situation is going to get. There is | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
a huge amount of uncertainty out there. A couple of technocratic | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
leaders in a couple of European countries is not going to be enough | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
to resolve this because the challenges of our massive and the | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
threat is spreading from one country to the next. It is all very | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
well for the Americans to say something must be done but what | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
needs to be done is extremely complicated and nobody agrees on | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
what has to be done and it involves a whole bunch of governments doing | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
slightly different things, not just someone at the centre pulling a | :04:21. | :04:29. | |
lever. It seems Greece is a sideshow and all eyes are on Italy. | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
France is now coming up on the rails as well. Are the only two | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
people mattering in this at the moment Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
Merkel? Do we have any idea what they propose to do if, for example, | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
French bonds, under pressure or the Italians are simply unable to get | :04:47. | :04:55. | |
rid of their debt. That is the big question. Will they announce some | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
sort of course I merger to make the countries closer together very | :05:00. | :05:07. | |
quickly. Forget the fringe countries and go for the integrated | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
fiscally a politically integrated countries to try and save the last | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
60 years of European integration. Those are the kind of questions | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
they must be asking each other. French bonds have already started | :05:18. | :05:25. | |
to go up and they have to pay almost twice as much as the Germans | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
to borrow, which is very significant. The cost in which | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
Spain can borrow has been creat -- creeping up on a daily basis. I | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
think the crisis is spreading to the other countries. The only be | :05:39. | :05:46. | |
the euro-zone economy immune from this is Germany -- beak euro-zone | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
economy. There is no surprise there because there is no plan to resolve | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
it. There are trillions of Euros in debt and the only thing people are | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
talking about is getting central bank to print money to buy the debt. | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
It could be a short term solution, but is the buying of Italian debt | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
over the last couple of days calming things down a long service | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
of -- long-term solution? It's not a long-term solution to say a | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
central bank needs to federalising or socialise trillions of debt and | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
otherwise there is no plan we hereof. I am very worried about all | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
this and I do think that the French and Germans may decide to try and | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
take emergency, drastic action to change the politics of the European | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
Union. If that happens, there would be a major opportunity and a major | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
headache for the British Government because it would bring forward the | :06:35. | :06:43. | |
day there is a new treaty and a choice that needs to be made with | :06:43. | :06:51. | |
the UK in wary one study in the EU. The how likely to -- how likely is | :06:51. | :06:59. | |
this because the Eurozone is -- how likely is the Eurozone going to | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
survive? I was just reading the Economist to predicted that | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
financial crisis and he said any three things can save the euro, one | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
if the ECB becomes an unlimited lender of last resort, too, if it | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
cuts rates to zero, and three if Germany starts doing fiscal | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
stimulus. I don't think any of those three will happen in the | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
foreseeable future, if ever. I guess, sadly, we are heading to an | :07:24. | :07:31. | |
Armageddon situation. If any of us knew that we'd make an awful lot of | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
money. It doesn't look good, and the problem with the markets is it | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
is to do with confidence on the one thing lacking undermined his | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
confidence. Nobody seems to know what they are doing. None of the | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
leaders -- the think the market's lack is confident. None of the | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
leaders know what they are doing and that leadership is what is | :07:50. | :07:57. | |
missing. Putting aside the short term, if you look at the to | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
systemic solutions possible, either a closer fiscal union with massive | :08:00. | :08:08. | |
transferred payments, or a break-up of the Eurozone where the Club Med | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
countries go there away and you haven't more than euro-zone. Either | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
of these, and they may be right in the long term, I suggest you it | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
would put such a shock to the system in the short term that it | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
would either throw Europe into deep recession. I'm afraid to say a | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
thing that's absolutely right. Even with a combination of the two | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
options. All these options require a default on some debt and probably | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
require at least one country, if not more, leaving the euro. What | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
that really means is huge amounts of so-called wealth being wiped out, | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
and that is a massive shock to the system which will make people | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
poorer and hit a lot of institutions, not just banks, but | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
pension funds, companies, so the recession is unavoidable, | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
especially in Europe, and probably in the UK as well. Thank you very | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
much for marking our car bomb that. We didn't promise did she you up -- | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
marking it hour card on that. We did not promise to cheer you up. So | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
while Europe implodes, what about over here? Ahead of the autumn | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
statement on November 29th. Which we'll carry live here in a Daily | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
Politics Special. There is a debate raging as to what should be done to | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
secure economic growth. Earlier in the week the CBI said it was time | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
to "get shovels in the ground" and called for "Plan A plus". This was | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
echoed in the Telegraph this morning by more than 30 leading | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
businessmen who have called for the government to scrap the 50p rate of | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
tax, increase the personal tax allowances and bring forward | :09:43. | :09:52. | |
spending on infrastructure. However it's believed any planned tax cuts | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
would run into considerable opposition from the Liberal | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
Democrats. Speaking to the BBC yesterday Vince Cable said that, | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
"It is difficult to make tax cuts in an environment where we are | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
trying to get budget discipline and bring the deficit down". Earlier | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
this year David Cameron commissioned businessman Adrian | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
Beecroft to come up with a series of proposals on how to make Britain | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
more competitive. He's proposed relaxing employment laws to make it | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
easier for companies to fire staff, in the hope that they will be more | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
willing to take risks and hire people. It's an idea that's been | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
welcomed by the Prime Minister's policy guru Steve Hilton, but has | :10:26. | :10:36. | |
Joining me now is the Liberal Democrat peer, Matthew Oakeshott, | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
and Andrew Haldenby who is the director of Reform, a right wing | :10:39. | :10:49. | |
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think tank. Is this idea dead in the water and now? It looks like | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
it's and it is a terrible shame because I think it was by far the | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
best idea put forward in this Parliament to improve growth and we | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
just have to compare ourselves to the other continental countries | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
like France and Germany. Over the years we have had more relaxed | :11:04. | :11:10. | |
employment laws, lower unemployment and we want more of the same and | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
his ideas would definitely have reduced employment in the country. | :11:13. | :11:20. | |
Would it? The problem is is a lack of demand. A lack of demand for our | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
exports because the rest of the world looks like it is going into | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
recession. A lack of demand from consumers because real living | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
standards are falling and the lack of demand from business because it | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
is not investing. So even if you had the most liberal labour laws in | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
the world, I don't really understand how that get you growth | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
at this precise time. I would agree with you two years ago but we are | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
to use on from the recession and has holes have improved their | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
financial position. Consumer spending is in the tank. People | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
have been saving and paying off their debts in getting in a | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
stronger position. Companies are ready to invest if they have the | :11:58. | :12:07. | |
right rules and regulations. Employment laws is by far the best | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
focus for politicians. I am flabbergasted, amazed, that David | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
Cameron should have blocked this. He is probably doing it to keep | :12:15. | :12:22. | |
your lot happy. We need to act both on the supply and the demand side. | :12:22. | :12:29. | |
He is talking about the supply side, and there are some good ideas but | :12:29. | :12:36. | |
also... I think there is something to be said for bringing in four | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
small businesses the automatic enrolment of putting everyone into | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
an automatic Chekhov for a pension scheme, because the danger of that | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
is there is a regulatory burden and dictate spending at -- it takes | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
spending out of that question. He also has wacky ideas, meaning he | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
was trying to cut down women's rights in the workplace and that | :12:59. | :13:06. | |
has been seen off in a panic by Number Ten. But to actually make it | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
Ahsan, spot culture is quite wrong. You mention Germany. -- based | :13:11. | :13:17. | |
sacking on the spot culture. Germany have tougher labour laws | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
and they are doing better and they have good manufacturing in that. We | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
want to encourage people to support and nurture their staff so sacking | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
them on the spot is not right. Coming to the demand side, where | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
the real problem is, and we have collapsed consumer confidence, not | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
nearly enough spending in the economy and not nearly enough | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
investment. The businessmen have a point, which we have thought about | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
for some time, which they must be more capital investment in | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
infrastructure and particularly housing. Vince Cable, George | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
Osborne, I am doing my bit feeding in. How much more will there be? | :13:57. | :14:04. | |
They should be a lot of capital investment. Just a minute. On the | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
current side, cutting the 50 p rate there is no evidence that improves | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
entrepreneurialism. Where they are right, and it is a Lib Democrat | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
policy, is increasing the personal allowance at the bottom because | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
every pound you put into the pocket of a low-paid work is going to go | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
out and get spent. Why don't you put in the pockets of everyone | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
around here? A below paid get a very small percentage of the | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
overall tax break. But it does help incentives to work, at the bottom. | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
On the capital side, which is important, where we have these low | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
interest rates we should not be treating them as a virility symbol | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
we should see them as a fantastic opportunity to get long-term | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
capital in, many billions from the private sector. That is what the | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
Greeks did for the last 10 years. am talking to the big institutions. | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
It might work in the city, but maybe not in the real world. | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
does. They are desperate to see things with a return on housing, | :15:06. | :15:14. | |
Politicians do themselves no favours when they play this old | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
card. The Prime Minister wrote an article calling for more | :15:18. | :15:24. | |
infrastructure two weeks ago. It created 1,000 jobs. There are 2.5 | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
million people unemployed, he created a 1,000 jobs. It is not | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
like the 1930s, you don't absorb hundreds of thousands of people | :15:32. | :15:40. | |
with infrastructure problems. do! You don't. I said housing. That | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
is the key. Last year we had 100,000 houses completed, the worst | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
since 1923. Where you get white van man motoring and getting jobs is by | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
having much more housebuilding. That is what we are talking about | :15:55. | :16:04. | |
with of private sector. The rest is... Housing is real. Do you get a | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
sense of fiddling while Rome burns? You stole the words from my mouth. | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
To fiddle with maternity rights and Employment Rights while we are on | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
the verge of another great depression is absurd. You talked | :16:16. | :16:23. | |
about a lack of demand, that is the key. When people talk about needing | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
to improve consumer spending, one of the reasons people are not | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
spending is because they are worried about losing their jobs. | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
The coalition says Let's Make your jobs even more insecure. Her the | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
coalition is not saying that. venture capitalist said let's make | :16:42. | :16:49. | |
people's jobs more insecure. him speak. I will blame you for one | :16:49. | :16:55. | |
thing. What about VAT? If you want one proposal that will kick-start | :16:55. | :17:01. | |
the economy is cutting VAT back to 7.5%. It has raised inflation, | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
damaged small businesses. Her what about the bond markets? You will | :17:06. | :17:13. | |
add 12 million to the deficit. much will cutting the 50 p tax? | :17:13. | :17:23. | |
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Can I respond on VAT? VAT cut across the board is much too | :17:27. | :17:35. | |
expensive. It would be very... What Lib Dems believe and I have been | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
arguing for and has been argued in government is we have a cut on VAT | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
on house improvements, house repairs. That would be very | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
effective. That is Lib Dem policy and has been picked up by Ed Balls. | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
A targeted VAT cut is very important. Rachel, we have seen an | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
argument between the two sides of the coalition, but there's even an | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
argument about this in the Conservatives. Absolutely. As much | :18:03. | :18:10. | |
if not more than Tory Lib Dem, it is a blue one blue fight. It is | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
exemplified by Lord Young and Lord Heseltine, the two advisers on | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
growth to the Prime Minister. Lord Young is a Thatcherite who is the | :18:18. | :18:27. | |
regulatory, low-tax, a lot of enterprise. Lord Heseltine wants | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
intervention, he is in charge of the regional growth fund. David | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
Cameron has got bits of both. He is struggling between the two at the | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
moment. He is calling on Europe to have a big bazooka. We need a big | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
bazooka here, too. Lord Heseltine is an honorary Liberal Democrat for | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
this purpose, like Ken Clarke. Thank you very much. All will be | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
revealed on 29th November in the pre-Budget statement taking place | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
in the afternoon. It will be live on BBC Two. | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
Now, security at our borders has been front of most people's minds | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
this week, not least Theresa May's, with the news that the UK Border | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
Agency relaxed rules on entry into the UK this summer. Theresa May | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
appears to have survived, but you don't need a long memory to know | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
that this is not exactly the first time the Home Office has been in | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
trouble over immigration. In the first of our new series looking at | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
what happens when the dust settles on a political storm, Adam speaks | :19:26. | :19:36. | |
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to Charles Clarke about the foreign Crisis at the Home Office, where | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
have I heard that before? The Home Secretary, Charles Clarke, is under | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
intense pressure after admitting more than 1,000 foreign criminals | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
were released from British prisons instead of facing deportation. | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
Parliament heard that convicted murderers and rapists from abroad | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
were still on the streets when they might have been sent out of the | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
country. It was a failure, I have acknowledged that and it must be | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
got right. Amid the public or cry, opposition politicians called for | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
Charles Clarke to resign. The Home Secretary's position is now | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
untenable. Looking back from his new job at the University of East | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
Anglia, he still accepts errors were made, but he says the media | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
storm just got too big. People haven't been considered third | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
deportation and the media was entirely justified to make that | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
point. However, what it then became overlaid with was the politics of | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
the moment and the issue of the overall political situation facing | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
the Prime Minister and the Labour government at that time. That | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
became a bigger story and there was some element of the media which | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
were very varied aggressive in their attacks, but only because of | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
the issue itself, but the overall political picture. And 10 days into | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
the crisis, Labour suffered a disastrous set of local election | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
results which littered Tony Blair reshuffling his cabinet. -- which | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
led to. A drop to Tony Blair and note the day before the reshuffle | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
saying to things. Firstly, in my view he should make it clear that | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
he would remain as Prime Minister until 2008. Secondly, if he didn't | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
want me to continue as Home Secretary, I didn't want to serve | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
in another role. He asked me to come round to Number Ten | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
immediately, which I did. He said it was my view -- his view for me | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
not to think -- remain as Home Secretary. Five years on nearly all | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
foreign prisoners are now considered for deportation, but | :21:41. | :21:48. | |
that doesn't mean they actually all leave. The latest figures show 3775 | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
released foreign prisoners are still living here, including 87 who | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
have served terms for most serious crimes. Charles Clarke says things | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
didn't improve after he was sacked. The Home affairs Select Committee | :22:00. | :22:10. | |
looked into the situation in detail, I gave them evidence. Their | :22:10. | :22:16. | |
conclusions, I thought, not an exoneration, but no criticism. The | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
Home Office is a department dealing with tough problems and it is | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
always in the firing line. I was told when I first arrived by the | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
then permanent secretary at that total problems would always occur | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
in the Home Office. I said I thought that wasn't acceptable, we | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
could predict many of the things that would happen. It was our job | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
to get on top of that and stop it happening. My sadness about this is | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
I believe I was on course to do that. In his autobiography, Tony | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
Blair says he now regrets Charles Clarke left the Cabinet. He felt he | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
should not have sacked me as he did and I agree with that! But it is in | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
politics -- but in politics it is the judgment you make at the time | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
that count. History might have been different. A man who thinks he | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
should not have been sacked! Joining us now is Tony McNulty - | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
former Labour MP and former immigration minister. Are Veronique | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
echoes of the foreign prisoner crisis in the current crisis? -- | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
are there any echoes. One crucial one, and that is that Charles stood | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
up and take it on the -- to good on the Gyan himself. He did not say to | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
anybody, find me a body to put in front of me to shield me and blame | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
everyone but himself for the issues. That is to his credit. Theresa May | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
will rue the day when she has almost sacked -- found somebody | :23:40. | :23:46. | |
guilty and then said, let's see what went wrong. If a senior | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
minister tells their civil servants to do something and they do that | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
and then do something else, which they have been explicitly told not | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
to do, what should a minister do? They should go through the entire | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
process, give the person their day in court and then arrive at a | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
decision. You shouldn't do it backwards. Brodie Clark will | :24:06. | :24:15. | |
contest that he did not do it at all. His boss said she did. I know | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
Rob Whiteman very, very well, but a dark he is backing the Home | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
Secretary. He has been imposed six weeks of up he had barely been | :24:26. | :24:36. | |
there three or four weeks and would not have someone brand new have... | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
I think we saw it a bit with Ed Miliband next week, a problem for | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
Labour on immigration. No matter if the Tories are not living up to | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
their promise or have made a mistake or blaming civil servants, | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
rightly or wrongly, the general perception of the country is you | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
have made a Horlicks of immigration and you have no standing on it. | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
That is right to an extent. It is wrong, but the perception is right. | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
Yvette Cooper got to that when she was talking to Theresa May. We | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
recognised in 2005 what we needed to do. Charles is right that the | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
prescription we had post 2005 was the right one.. Bases, economically | :25:17. | :25:26. | |
driven. -- points basis. The systemic problems were being dealt | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
with when the foreign national prisoners stuff brewed. But I think | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
on balance, it is wrong for aid to go anywhere near this on Wednesday | :25:34. | :25:41. | |
and he should have left it to Yvette. Rather like Ken Clarke, I | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
thought he would have learned from Ken Clarke. When Ken Clarke was | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
embroiled in the issue over rape sentencing, Ed Miliband knows he | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
was wrong to use the precious time of PMQ has to go on that narrow | :25:53. | :26:02. | |
focus. Give Me Your brief headline thought on the whole Theresa May | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
business this week. Whether she survives on what is a separate | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
question. With Rome burning, Ed Miliband shouldn't have used all | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
his questions. Labour never understand that they will not win | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
the populist argument on immigration with the Conservatives. | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
They will not win the Daily Mail vote. Even the Conservatives don't | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
win the Daily Mail vote! They have to make a different, more | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
interesting case about immigration and migration. It is just that | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
competence, it is not about immigration or numbers or anything, | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
it is about competence and whether Theresa May lost it. It is very | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
dangerous to go to war with civil servants. We shall see what happens. | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
Tony, thank you. Thank you. Get on with your memoirs! | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
Time now to see what else has been going on in the last seven days - | :26:55. | :27:02. | |
here's Giles with the week in 60 Home Secretary Theresa May found | :27:02. | :27:08. | |
herself in the middle of an immigration row, minus cat. She | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
claimed former borders Chief Brodie Clark took a pilot scheme to relax | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
the rules further than authorised all but he doesn't beat. On Tuesday | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
it was arrivederci Silvio, but at least he'll have more time to spend | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
with his friends. A dashing Prince rode into battle this week after | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
the much respected FIFA tried to ban footballers wearing a | :27:27. | :27:33. | |
Remembrance poppy. Wills won,. James Murdoch was back facing | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
questions from one MP who clearly sees him as less Harry Potter, more | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
Michael Corleone. You must be the first Mafia boss in history who | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
didn't know he was running a criminal enterprise. Mr Watson, | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
please. I think that's inappropriate. Across the pond, | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
Rick Perry forgot his own policies. It is three agencies of government | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
when I get there that are gone. Commerce, education and... What is | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
the third one? Oops. The words he was looking for were | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
Department of Energy. He may soon have plenty of time to remember | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
that. That's all for this week. Jo will | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
be back here on Monday with more Daily Politics. And join Jon Sopel | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
for the Politics Show on Sunday, BBC One at 3.10pm - he'll be | :28:19. | :28:23. |