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Afternoon folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. Talks to try to | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
resolve the public sector pensions dispute are resuming after | :00:32. | :00:39. | |
yesterday's mass walk out. The four main education unions are attending | :00:39. | :00:49. | |
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planned weekly talks at the Department of Education. Earlier a | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
government minister hinted there was a "realistic possibility of | :00:54. | :01:01. | |
reaching a deal". EU foreign ministers are discussing further | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
diplomatic reprisals against Iran, after mobs attacked the British | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
embassy in Tehran. John Prescott says he wants to "stop the clock | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
and save the planet". We'll be talking to him ahead of his trip to | :01:10. | :01:20. | |
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the climate change conference in South Africa. Not Hull! And yes, I | :01:22. | :01:29. | |
know, it could all go horribly wrong. But we'll be removing two | :01:29. | :01:35. | |
MPs' Movember moustaches live. There will be blood on the full | :01:35. | :01:42. | |
today! -- floor. Yes, all that coming up in the next half hour of | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
television gold and with us for the duration we have the Associate | :01:45. | :01:52. | |
Editor of the Indpendent, Sean O'Grady. Welcome. Now first this | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
morning let's talk about the banks because share prices have risen | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
around the world after a group of the biggest central banks, led by | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
the US Federal Reserve, announced plans to support the banks. The | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
move followed talk of a new credit crunch amid fears of a break-up of | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
the euro. Last night, a Downing Street official said Britain was | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
already "experiencing a credit cunch". It is clear that the US | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
Federal Reserve Board the banking system was about to freeze up, that | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
the American money markets were dump in their assets in European | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
banks and that the European banks were unable to borrow the -- to | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
borrow dollars? That is right, and I think this has been a concern for | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
months amongst bankers and Treasuries, this is another credit | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
crunch. There have been signs of it for long time. That means the banks | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
are so worried about each other that they will no longer lend to | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
each other because of the risk of not getting their money back. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
it is what happened post Lehman Brothers. A exactly, and then at | :02:47. | :02:54. | |
the banks got together -- exactly, and then the banks got together to | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
offer liquidity. They did what it took, that is what is happening now, | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
it is right, it is a problem with the Americans not lending money | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
into the European banks. European banks not lending to British banks, | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
vice versa. That is the crisis, the credit crunch, a second wave, like | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
a double dip. But the second phase that comes after is more worrying, | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
because if the banks are not willing to lend to each other, what | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
happens afterwards is they're not willing to lend to us, to buy her | :03:27. | :03:34. | |
house, car, whatever. -- a house. The Governor of the Bank of England | :03:34. | :03:44. | |
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was part of this, he stressed this morning that central banks could | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
help with liquidity, keeping money in the system, but could not help | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
with solvency. In other words, going bust. That is right, that is | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
an important distinction. It is a bit like a man in a pub, if you | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
have a billionaire who goes in and has lost his wallet, or forgotten | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
it, he can't buy a drink, that is a liquidity problem. If you have a | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
man in negative equity who owes a lot on his credit card but can | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
still buy a pint in a pub, he has not got a liquidity problem, but a | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
solvency problem. That is the difference. Just like when the | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
banks were insolvent, we now have the issue where some banks may be | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
insolvent but more importantly, some countries are insolvent. | :04:28. | :04:37. | |
Greece is pretty much insolvent. Portugal as well. That's right. | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
They are unable to meet the bills and are basically going bust. The | :04:42. | :04:52. | |
central bank's money will not solve that. Died before explaining it. | :04:52. | :05:02. | |
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The ASH thank you for explaining it. -- thank you. Now following | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
yesterday's public sector strike, a fresh attempt is being made to | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
resolve the dispute about changes to public sector pensions. The main | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
teaching unions whose action led to about two thirds of schools being | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
closed are currently holding talks with government officials. Tomorrow, | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
the health service unions will hold a similar meeting. Our | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
Correspondent Vicky Young is at Westminster. Has the strike changed | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
anything? It is interesting given that both sides cannot even agree | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
on the number of people who walked out, you're whipping there was not | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
much room for progress. But there are individual scheme talks going | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
on and they are due to continue doing so. The Cabinet Office | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
Minister has said in the past the talks are intensive and making | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
progress, but the union leaders I have spoken to today have said they | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
would regard these more has fact- finding missions rather than | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
negotiations. What happens next is how much pressure the unions will | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
come under to find a deal. They will have to think about whether | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
there will be more strike action in the New Year, the risk is they | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
alienate public opinion, people who put up with the disruption | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
yesterday, would be put up with a series of ongoing strikes with | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
schools being closed over the coming months? There is also the | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
issue of the pressure on the workers, and losing their pay every | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
day they go on strike. I think that is a problem for the unions and | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
something they will have to tackle in the New Year now. | :06:17. | :06:27. | |
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Frankie. -- thank you. We can speak to the Pensions Minister Steve Webb | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
and Karen Jennings who's the Assistant General Secretary at the | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
union Unison. What was actually achieved, apart from people losing | :06:33. | :06:40. | |
a day of pay? It was a great day, hundreds of thousands out in town. | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
The government called it a damp squib. I think may have misjudged | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
it, public support was extraordinary. Many Poles have | :06:49. | :06:59. | |
demonstrated that. -- polls. Danny Alexander came before the House of | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
Commons and announced concessions. Iping when the Government takes in | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
what happened yesterday I hope talks will progress further. | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
Talking to the education unions today, if they are offered further | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
concessions, if a better deal is put on the table you would, I | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
presume, advise them to take it whatever happens with other unions? | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
They are in discussions, of course of they can get a better deal - in | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
fact, if they can get a better deal in discussions, it bodes well for | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
discussions elsewhere. But the indication seems to be they may try | :07:34. | :07:44. | |
to do deals and pick of that union and not give better deals to the | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
others. But you would support a deal that would go better for | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
education? We would not expect education trade unions to forgo a | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
deal they were getting. We are in a sector negotiations but in central | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
discussions There are still quite a lot for us to do, particularly on | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
issues around 750,000 part-time workers he will have to pay that | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
full contribution and if they cannot afford to they will pour out | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
of those schemes which will threaten the very schemes | :08:13. | :08:20. | |
themselves. Can you just tell us now, for part-time workers are | :08:20. | :08:27. | |
earning �15,000 a year or less, they will be worse off? What has | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
happened is the architecture is common across the schemes, working | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
longer is common, putting mooring is common. There is a lack of | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
clarity over that. Lower-paid workers pay less, then each | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
individual scheme is negotiated one how that is delivered so scheme by | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
scheme they will look at the issue you have raised... But there is a | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
general point here about part-time workers because the indication from | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
the government is it is wound up to its full time equivalent, if you | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
worry part-time worker in the NHS one just under �15,000, you will be | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
hit. The majority of people affected are in local government | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
and that scheme is looking at that. Yesterday we were told there were | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
no negotiations going on, yet today there is negotiations going on | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
arranged long before the strikes. Their essential negotiations is | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
what we were talking about. there were sector by sector talks | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
going on. We have said that. The local government talks stopped | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
because local government employers stopped because they were not | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
getting any information from the Treasury. The discussions we have | :09:35. | :09:42. | |
been having have been absent of any figures we have to talk around, so | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
really they have not been negotiating, there have been | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
discussions. Government ministers are saying they are positive and | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
optimistic about a deal, are you? We have to see what the figures are | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
saying. There seems to be a disconnect between what the unions | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
feel about these negotiations and the government. Are they getting | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
closer? We are continuing to talk but we are not getting closer, | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
There is more work to be done. in terms of the strike, the | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
government said before and if it went ahead the Deal and concession | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
that was made would be taken off the table. Has it been? I am not | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
involved in the discussions so cannot give a straight answer but | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
there is a danger we get into the mind you sure of this and lose the | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
big picture. Somebody carried a placard yesterday saying leave my | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
pension alone, what they were saying is I want somebody else to | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
pay for it. There is a danger we going to the fine detail, but the | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
main picture is we have to work longer and put more money in, that | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
is the thing that will not change, but the details are being | :10:43. | :10:52. | |
negotiated. Are the Lib Dems happy? I you have the that low-paid | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
workers have lost out on tax credit to pay for the Contra the | :10:56. | :11:05. | |
government announced? That is not what happened. Everybody on a low- | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
income in this country because they are unemployed, sick, elderly got | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
the full 5.2 per cent increase that the Lib Dems press for. The youth | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
contract is an excellent initiative which was part of the whole Oughton | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
package, so it was not like this tweak... I am not sure how they | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
would -- that is how they would see it. Jeremy Clarkson's comments | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
about strikers, saying they should be shot, he would take them outside | :11:30. | :11:36. | |
and execute them. It was a joke? was more of a joke of -- it was | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
more than a joke, it is how he makes a living, I do not know if | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
anybody has noticed that. He makes outrageous claims about things. It | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
is a great way to make a living. I wish I was good at it. Better to | :11:49. | :11:56. | |
ignore it, is it? I think it is incitement to violence, anger, I | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
think there are BBC journalists, correspondents who have been sacked | :12:00. | :12:07. | |
for worse. For somebody close to the Prime Minister it is extremely | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
ill-tempered and nasty. We are certainly going to take legal | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
action, or look to see what action can be taken. One word in your | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
response? A stupid thing to say, he should apologise and we should get | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
on with our lives. He said he wanted them shot in front of their | :12:24. | :12:34. | |
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families, I thought I would get that on a record. -- the record. | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
Now lets' turn our eyes to Iran because EU foreign minsters are in | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
Brussels where they're discussing further diplomatic reprisals | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
against the country after mobs attacked the British embassy in | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
Tehran. Jo bring us up to date. Then I will chat to Jack Straw. | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
This is the situation - on Tuesday this week the British Embassy was | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
in Tehran, it was daubed by demonstrators, angry at the big | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
government -- at the government's decision to impose further | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
sanctions on Iran. The new measures came about after concerns over | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
their nuclear programme. David Cameron warned of serious | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
consequences for Iran and the UK pulled a number of diplomatic staff | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
out of the country. Last night the Foreign Secretary went a step | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
further and ordered the immediate closure of the Iranian embassy in | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
London, expelling all their diplomats from the country. | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
Europe's foreign ministers are meeting Brussels today, and talk of | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
new measures on around look likely to dominate. France, Germany and | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
the Netherlands have all recalled their ambassadors from Tehran for | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
consultations and William Hague is pushing for stronger sanctions. | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
This is what he said earlier... hope you'll agree today that | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
additional measures that will be an intensification of the economic | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
pressure on Iran, peaceful, legitimate, economic pressure, | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
particularly to increase the isolation of the Iranian financial | :13:53. | :14:00. | |
sector. But that is to be discussed at the meeting. We continue later | :14:00. | :14:07. | |
what we decided to do. Jack Straw is with us. Our Britain's relations | :14:08. | :14:17. | |
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with Iran back in the freezer? -- They are for the moment. I am not | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
going to criticise William Hague. I know, having done that job, that | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
making those decisions is more difficult than commenting on them. | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
Foreign secretary's have more information than any observer. -- | :14:32. | :14:41. | |
secretaries. I am concerned how we will restore some semblance of | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
relations, as we will have to. An independent economist said today, | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
very critical in terms of dependency with Iran, because we | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
know a lot about the country, we have some very good diplomats and | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
because the US has not had diplomatic relations there for over | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
30 years we have been able to provide information and | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
understanding of the Iranian system, not always do what the US wants us | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
to do, to the US and other key diplomatic allies. Tragically that | :15:12. | :15:22. | |
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has now gone. It seems to be Alain Juppe, the French foreign | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
minister, has called for his actions quote on a scale that would | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
paralyse the regime. Is that going to happen? I do not know whether it | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
is going to happen. One question I have is whether it would have been | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
better to wait before the banking sanctions were imposed, which were | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
imposed by the US, Canada and the UK, until we had do you agreement | :15:51. | :16:01. | |
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for does. Had that happened, the UK would have been less of an obvious | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
target and that the non uniformed thugs employed by the regime two | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
light the Gestapo. They once demonstrated against me in Tehran | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
when we were tried to have discussions with the Iranians. They | :16:19. | :16:29. | |
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blocked our route out. This is by no means unusual. My colleague was | :16:29. | :16:35. | |
going to Lampard one of these guys. Then we got out. That is not very | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
diplomatic. I was told very firmly to stay in my car by the detected. | :16:42. | :16:49. | |
That would have spread the protests. The Iranian regime is in a high | :16:49. | :16:56. | |
degree of turmoil, that is known. There is very bad blood between the | :16:56. | :17:06. | |
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supreme leader, who has huge power, and the allegedly democratically | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
elected President in 2009. One of my concerns over the past few years | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
is some of the steps the West has taken, particularly the US, have | :17:17. | :17:23. | |
been to play into the hands of the hardliners. There are opportunities | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
with the President to strengthen him and yet from the time when | :17:27. | :17:34. | |
President Bush lumped Iran in with Iraq and North Korea in the access | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
of evil that undermined the reformers. I saw their frustration. | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
You're a softly-softly approach did not get us anywhere. Iran | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
effectively is on the brink of having a bomb. My softly, softly | :17:49. | :17:56. | |
approach was getting somewhere. We got very close. It was the first | :17:56. | :18:04. | |
and best example of a co-ordinated, European Union foreign policy it. | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
You cannot put back the mistakes that were made in the past, but | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
there were concessions which we should have offered the Iranians. | :18:13. | :18:20. | |
It was not a sensible to lump a reformist President in Iran in | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
which Saddam Hussein and the madman running North Korea at the time. | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
That undermined them. We have to have negotiations with Iran. It is | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
plain they have made further progress in building up a nuclear | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
capability. Are you in any doubt it wants a bomb? I am not in any doubt | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
it wants a nuclear capability. There has always been doubts about | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
whether it also wants to develop a weapon. They have got missiles | :18:52. | :19:01. | |
anyway. A lot of the Iranians want a grand bargain with the West, and | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
they had an opportunity to do that when buy came in. I am not | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
criticising the Foreign Secretary, it is a difficult situation, and I | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
hope they are giving it thought in their Foreign Office, I am worried | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
about what exit strategy we have from this. Good to talk to you. | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
Now to a Daily Politics annual event. John Prescott talking about | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
climate change. The last time he appeared on the programme talking | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
about this subject was a year ago today. What has been happening in | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
the meantime? It is so an unseasonably warm, it | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
is practically the weather for shirtsleeves will stop you cannot | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
read too much into climate change based on one day's conditions. But | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
this year it is the 10 hottest on record, meaning that 13 of the | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
hottest have happened since 1997. That was when John Prescott helped | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
negotiate the Kyoto protocol which compelled nations to cut carbon | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
emissions between 2008 and 2012. With that end state rapidly | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
approaching, world leaders met in Copenhagen in 2009 to try and | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
thrash out a successor agreement. That was a washout. Now they are | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
giving it another go in Durban in South Africa, but hopes of an | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
agreement are not especially high because there are big disagreements | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
between countries. The EU wants negotiations to start now. India, | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
Brazil and the US do not want to start talking until 2015. Sceptics | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
who doubt the science have new allies in the shape of those who | :20:42. | :20:49. | |
think all this greenery is a break from economic growth. A former | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott, welcome back to your show on your | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
anniversary appearance. How many of the climate change summits have you | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
been to? About four or five starting in Kyoto. Sky will | :21:03. | :21:10. | |
probably go on to Rio de Janeiro, the celebratory year. They never | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
hold them in places like car or Sellafield or Glasgow. I went to | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
Copenhagen and that was pretty freezing. It was not exotic. What | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
are the chances at Durban? Will it be as big a waste of time as the | :21:25. | :21:32. | |
others? It was impossible to keep the legal framework we agreed for | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
the industrial relations at Kyoto and you had to have a voluntary | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
framework. That has now come about. But also the voluntary when you | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
have got to get them to agree to these targets and we have got to | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
have a global agreement. My fear is now the rich countries, | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
particularly America and Canada, they are about to put the boot into | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
the poorest part of the world by saying they do not want to keep the | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
principles of Kyoto. Did they want it finish? They would like to see | :22:04. | :22:11. | |
it finished. It has never been renewed. When we did not finish the | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
negotiations on the EU membership, that stopped the clock. I am | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
proposing that the Kyoto agreement finishes in 2012, keep the | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
framework Boeing, freeze it on the quay at the principles and by 2015 | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
complete the tops and hopefully get the agreement. $100 billion to go | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
annually into a green climate fun? That is essential because we have | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
to reduce greenhouse gases in the developing countries as well as the | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
developed. You need that money to make the transfer of technology it. | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
The we will not get 100 bn in this climate. I am sad to see that | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
America in the last few weeks, along with Saudi Arabia, have | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
decided not to contribute to the fund, so we will not have that at | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
Devon. The Saudis have said because these moves were reduced well | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
compensate -- consumption, they work compensation. They said that | :23:10. | :23:18. | |
at Kyoto. Kyoto is dead in the water. It is still an agreement and | :23:18. | :23:24. | |
we are one of the leading countries that has achieved the Kyoto targets. | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
How much of our share of the 100 billion would go in? These are | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
talks we hope to complete by the Rio de Janeiro next year. America | :23:34. | :23:42. | |
is a big part of it. While Bush was against it and they did not want to | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
be in Kyoto, we have now got Barack Obama it says he believes in the | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
science, but has totally failed to get any kind of thing going. | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
whole project is running out of steam. Kyoto is not going to be | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
renewed. The 100 billion is not going to happen, Copenhagen will | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
achieve nothing. You are throwing about these lines of achieving | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
nothing. If you look at Britain between the two governments we have | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
at a 24% cut in carbon. That is a success. We have 2 million more | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
jobs. That is Britain doing it without the summits. You have the | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
targets and you have the climate legislation to implement it, so we | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
have made movement. It is not as fast as we want, but it is right to | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
do it. If you think you have a problem with bankers, the science | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
is clear. It would be catastrophic. People have been listening to this | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
for so long. I am not commenting on whether it is right or wrong, | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
people have had enough of this and they do not take it as seriously | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
now and they think Copenhagen, at Rio de Janeiro, I just a waste of | :24:54. | :25:01. | |
time. I agree with John Prescott. He has had his differences with the | :25:01. | :25:09. | |
Independent newspaper and Twitter and other places. With everyone. I | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
wanted to thank and congratulate John Prescott for what he did | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
during his time in office on environmental progress. It was | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
fantastic work. The Independent has always been a green paper. Just | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
because you cannot get everything done and everyone to agree on every | :25:27. | :25:34. | |
issue does not mean you should not tried. Do we just sit back and say | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
you cannot do anything? You would be out of work and I would be out | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
of work. You are never be out of work. You re invent yourself all | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
the time. You are a one-man job creation scheme. You would be good | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
in the Government to create jobs. There were a million more jobs in | :25:53. | :26:00. | |
my time. We may be out of work after days. We try something | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
completely different and it is really different because with us in | :26:03. | :26:09. | |
the studio we had two MPs who want to shave their moustaches off. They | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
have been growing them for the charity Movember throughout the | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
month of November and they cannot wait to get rid of them. Here they | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
are, lambs to the slaughter. The Labour MP Ian Murray and the Lib | :26:22. | :26:31. | |
Dem MP Mike Crockhart and we are also joins, because we are not | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
going to before and this. Joins from Pall Mall Barbers. Are you | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
really desperate to get rid of them. Cannot wait. Absolutely. Was it | :26:42. | :26:52. | |
very difficult to grow? It was automatic. Mine was just stuck on. | :26:52. | :27:02. | |
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Let's see how quick it is. We don't Was about the cuts the Liberal | :27:14. | :27:23. | |
Democrats are promising at the next election? I had to ask you that. | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
George, you can start on him as well. That only took about 30 | :27:28. | :27:36. | |
seconds. It is fantastic. Will you do it next year? Absolutely not, it | :27:36. | :27:44. | |
raised a lot of money, but it was a big commitment. My one looks very | :27:44. | :27:53. | |
creepy because it will not grow here. I have tried it. I looked | :27:53. | :28:01. | |
like an incredibly sleazy character, so I have never tried again. I saw | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
all these people with beards and moustaches and I wondered what they | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
were doing! You are cleanly shaven. Well done and thank you for coming | :28:11. | :28:18. | |
on the programme. I am just glad I have got my hair on top. We have | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
got to pick the winner from yesterday's guess the year | :28:22. | :28:31. | |
competition. The answer was 1954. You have got to pick one out. It | :28:31. | :28:39. |