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Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics. The Prime Minister | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
is off to Brussels. His backbenchers want him to fight | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
tooth and claw to defend British interests and bring something back. | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
But is there anything he can do? Any piece of paper he can wave on | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
his return that will satisfy their blood lust for a referendum on | :00:43. | :00:50. | |
leaving Europe? How difficult is it to get into Britain without a | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
passport? Well, apparently all you have to do is get as far as | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
Brussels, buy a ticket to Lille, and simply don't get off the train! | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
We'll find out why this so-called loophole is so difficult to close. | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
And, are the British tabloids a force for good? We'll ask one of | :01:04. | :01:14. | |
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And here he is. With us for the duration, red-top legend that is | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
Kelvin Mackenzie. So, if you have any thoughts or comments on | :01:25. | :01:35. | |
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anything we are discussing, then But first, that story over just how | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
easy it is to get into Britain without the bother of having to | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
carry a passport. Apparently, you don't need one to get from Brussels | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
to Lille on the Eurostar. And once you are on the train, there is, | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
unbelievably, nothing to stop you just sitting there until you get to | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
London. In the words of Richard Littlejohn, is this one you just | :01:56. | :02:06. | |
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I had no idea bus-stop when you get into the detail of its creditors | :02:11. | :02:19. | |
more shocking. The border guards knew it was going on. They | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
recognise two Iranians who are going to try to push their way | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
through into the UK. They stop them and point them out to the Belgian | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
police. They say, you cannot do anything and we could actually | :02:33. | :02:40. | |
arrest you for trying to stop these two Iranians coming to your land. | :02:40. | :02:49. | |
This is one of the bad MRS of Europe as it stands. When there was | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
a 17 and a 10, these kinds of issues would grow and grow. This is | :02:54. | :03:01. | |
another example of a two-track Europe. We're outside the Shelton | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
agreement. What can the Government actually do? They are heading our | :03:07. | :03:13. | |
way. At St Pancras, they could have a massive checking system. I would | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
be in favour of it. This second thing is, we could actually not | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
have a benefit system which encourages the rest of the world to | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
think they can come here. Why don't they want to stay in Belgium and | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
France? We should do two things at the centre but we should be tough | :03:32. | :03:39. | |
about it. One thing I despair about any government, nobody actually | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
embraces what ordinary people's common sense would tell them. We | :03:43. | :03:50. | |
should do something about this kind of stuff. It is beyond me. It is a | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
vote-winner. Why don't they say, we are going to go...? We are going to | :03:56. | :04:03. | |
send armed guards to Lille and shoot them. Before you do say | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
something we should not on the programme... Like invade Belgium! | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
Don't you start. Move on briefly to the other story that has emerged | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
and this is a move to the Government in terms of proposals | :04:17. | :04:26. | |
being offered to NHS workers. Up until now, they said anyone earning | :04:26. | :04:33. | |
under 15,000 will not have to pay contributions. Now it is 26 and a | :04:33. | :04:40. | |
half 1000 pounds. Will it be enough? -- �26,500. The Government | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
has moved. Obviously they want a deal. I am astonished that the | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
Government moved at all. They want a deal. Fantastic! The kind of | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
offer that, in private industry, you would not have come within 1000 | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
miles off. If the finance director says, we are stopping the final | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
salary, that is your lot, you get on with it. Why do state workers | :05:08. | :05:15. | |
get preferment? Why are 23 million of us who are outside the system | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
having to fund it? I think we know where he stands on the deal. He is | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
sitting on the fence were stuck the unions do not agree with you. | :05:27. | :05:37. | |
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the fence. The unions do not agree with Kelvin MacKenzie. The Bank of | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
England has announced that interest rates are staying at 0.5%. No | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
surprise. Most City analysts expect interest rates to stay at that rate | :05:49. | :05:59. | |
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for all of 2012. QED is at 275 billion as well. -- quantitative | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
easing. It is the economy and the main stories to do with that is the | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
big summit in Brussels. Yesterday, at PMQs, Tory backbenchers lined up | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
to urge the Prime Minister to show bulldog spirit in speaking up for | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
British interests in the face of French and German proposals to | :06:19. | :06:25. | |
rewrite the way the eurozone operates. Well, severe gales are | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
buffeting the country today and it is likely to be pretty stormy over | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
the Channel in Brussels for, wait for it, another make or break | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
summit to save the euro. Key to the discussion is how to bring enough | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
budgetary discipline into the eurozone to stop anything like the | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
current crisis happening again. Germany and France argue this needs | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
to be enforced by a change in the existing EU treaties and they want | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
to see the European Commission have new powers to impose penalties on | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
eurozone countries that have large budget deficits as well as having | :06:50. | :07:00. | |
common corporation and financial Some see this as the creation of | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
what is effectively a new country, which would have profound | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
implications for our relationship to the rest of Europe. David | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
Cameron is desperate to avoid any major treaty change that could lead | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
to demands for a referendum here in the UK. Something that both London | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
Mayor Boris Johnson and the Northern Ireland Secretary Owen | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
Paterson have said could be necessary. However, Downing Street | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
have made it clear that, whilst any new treaty may need to go through | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
Parliament, it is unlikely there would be any need for a referendum. | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
The Prime Minister is also under huge pressure from within his party | :07:32. | :07:39. | |
to claw back powers from Europe in return for any concessions. However, | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
France and Germany appear unwilling to help out him out, which could | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
mean the 17 countries of the eurozone going it alone and | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
adopting their own treaty. And our political correspondent, Iain | :07:48. | :07:56. | |
Watson, is in Brussels for us now. In terms of the Government, what is | :07:56. | :08:06. | |
worse for David Cameron? I think he is stuck. He will be here in a few | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
hours' time. I have got here rather ahead of him. It even if he lives | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
here and a deal is done to stabilise the euro, I have spoken | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
to a whole range of Euro-sceptic backbenchers. They said, even if he | :08:20. | :08:26. | |
comes back and declares victory, we will see it as the FT. It is not | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
enough to safeguard British interests over the City of London. | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
-- defeat. They want to see him coming back here and using this | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
process to get powers back from Brussels. That seems unlikely. Some | :08:40. | :08:48. | |
people want to see a referendum. Up the Merkozy proposals are quite | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
major. Even a couple of people in the Cabinet will argue it is so | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
major it would trigger a referendum in the UK. That is not what David | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
Cameron wants to see and it is not what Lib Dem ministers want to see. | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
It would put the whole coalition on the rocks. It is a very limited, | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
very minor treaty change. The second battle he has to face is | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
what he the -- what it will take for the French and Germans to stand | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
up for British interests? They are saying the very minimum demands | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
about protecting the City of London is not something they were | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
necessarily agree with. They will stay here as long as it takes to | :09:32. | :09:41. | |
get the kind of agreement they want and Britain is poor full tour of | :09:42. | :09:51. | |
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Anyway it is the 7th European summit Fisher. Six have come up so | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
far with completely comprehensive plans to sort out the European | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
crisis so no doubt the 7th will as well. With us now is the | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
Conservative MP, Bernard Jenkin, who has written in today's Guardian | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
that this summit represents the end game for the European Union as we | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
know it. We also have the former Lib Dem leader, Ming Campbell, and | :10:19. | :10:27. | |
the Conservative MP, Nick Boles. What do you want Mr Cameron to come | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
back with from Brussels? He should make it clear that he has done his | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
best to help our European partners through this crisis. The changes | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
they are now proposing, they may not have a direct legal impact on | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
the United Kingdom that they will have a big impact on our relations | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
with the European Union. He will need to consult with Parliament and | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
with the British people on this. Ultimately there will need to be a | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
referendum. He should stop fiscal union going ahead? No. These treaty | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
changes will take months. He should come back with an agreement in | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
principle that we need a new relationship with the European | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
Union. It should be based on the principle that the laws of this | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
land to be made by people who are elected and are directly affected | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
by them. If European institutions in this new economic state will be | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
working for the 17, they will not be working for us. I still do not | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
know what you want to bring back. want to bring back an agreement | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
that Parliament will decide what applies to the European Union in | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
this country. You want us to leave the European Union? It is up to | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
Parliament and the Government of the day to negotiate with the | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
European Union as to what applies - what rules apply and what do not. | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
We want to remain in the customs union. I would suggest that Bernard | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
Jenkin, Santa is not going to bring him what he wants this Christmas. | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
His endgame can only result in being out. If that is what they all | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
say. I have just been in America for three days. Everywhere I went | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
much members of Congress, reporters, commentators, are you going to | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
solve the eurozone crisis? It is an important component in the economic | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
recovery of the United States. It is also important about the | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
possibility of Barack Obama being elected. If the agreement founders | :12:40. | :12:47. | |
because of an argument about the time directive on the fishing | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
policy, then our allies... You want powers repatriated. These are the | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
kinds of powers that people talk about. If it fails because of that, | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
our friends in the United States were not understand what we have | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
done. What do you want the Prime Minister to bring back? As a rule, | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
Bernard has been more right on this issue than Ming Campbell for the | :13:11. | :13:18. | |
last 20 years. My defence is one of tactics and cunning. Today is the | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
moment of maximum economic danger for Britain. Retail sales are | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
falling, Brazil has stalled, China has stalled. The entire global | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
economy is sitting on the edge of an abyss. We need to protect our | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
economy and jobs but getting this crisis fixed. We need to come to | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
that after we have saved our economy. What do you want him to | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
bring back? What I want David Cameron to do is to protect our | :13:50. | :13:59. | |
economy, Protect our jobs. That is the moment - protecting the City of | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
London. He needs to get a solution to the crisis so the entire | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
European economy does not fall apart. It is much more serious than | :14:08. | :14:18. | |
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in 2008. The priority is to save the eurozone. Otherwise we will or | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
head into a recession and a depression and then come back to | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
what you want to raise at a more appropriate time. The idea it will | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
be easier to discuss this after they had done and dusted everything | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
is absolutely ludicrous. There is no need for this to hold up the | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
European Union. We're not talking about a whole lot of detailed, | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
complex things like fishing law. It has to be a general decision that | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
our membership will be conducted on a different principle. Why wouldn't | :14:50. | :14:58. | |
everyone else wants that? -- want. Can I just finished my point? If | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
they were to agreed that in principle, there is no need to hold | :15:02. | :15:12. | |
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up anything. All the data could There are two important principles, | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
proportionality and subsidiarity. That means Brussels does not do | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
what cannot be done better by individual states. These are | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
technically part of the jurisprudence of the European Union. | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
We want to have an emphasis on these things. They are entirely | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
consistent with localism. They would stop some of the gold plating, | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
which goes on when European Union proposals reach the United Kingdom, | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
and they would bring about the reform of the European Union, which | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
everyone accepts is necessary, but cannot be done by the kind of | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
apocalyptic suggestions made by Bernard. If Bernard Jenkin got his | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
way, he may be right, maybe not, but we will no longer be a member | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
of the European Union if he gets his way. That would be true if we | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
go about it in the way that Bernard is suggesting. But it is not | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
necessarily true. But we are going to have to work out an entirely new | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
kind of relationship, and that is a big exercise. It offers huge | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
opportunities for Britain, but it is going to take two or three years. | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
It is not the work of a weekend when the global economy is on a | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
precipice. But the Lib Dems have nothing to say about what our | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
relationship would be with Europe if there was a new, central, pal | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
full eurozone, of which we would not be part. It does change the | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
whole dynamic... It certainly makes for an inner core and an outer core. | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
But it certainly does not stand in the way of relationship up to but | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
not including membership of the single currency. We will be | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
outvoted on every issue. remember, there are 10 countries in | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
the EU who are not members. last time I looked, 17 is higher | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
than 10, so we get outvoted. lots of majority decisions are | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
required to be made. There are plenty of allies to be found | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
outside the 17, if we really want to change the philosophy and the | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
practicalities. All the briefing I got this morning was that it was | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
26-1, even the Polish, the Hungarians, the Danish, have lined | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
up. Why is that? The reason why is because the British Prime Minister, | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
yesterday at PMQs, and today again, has been substantially undermined | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
by his own party. Rubbish. We're back to John Major and the bustards. | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
Thank you very much. There is going to be a lot of bustards. The people | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
I know among Tory MPs say that when the voting happens, it will be well | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
into the 120s, 140s. So when the voting goes through Parliament on | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
whatever this is, I could see... You're in expert on many things, | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
Kelvin, including an expert on the modern Tory party, most of whom you | :18:09. | :18:19. | |
have never met! I have got 20 quid, that it will be 120 MPs, let's see | :18:19. | :18:26. | |
who knows the most. You have met each other now. This programme | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
wants to bring people together. Thank you, gentleman. I was going | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
to say, this is what it will be like in Brussels. At least they all | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
speak different languages, so it gets lost in translation. With a | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
series of victims, a stellar cast of celebrities, and eyebrow raising | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
statements, the Leveson inquiry has been quite the eye-opener. The | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
target has been the tabloid press, but they are now starting to ask if | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
the inquiry is really fair. Giles has been trying to find the good | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
side of the past. If you work for a newspaper, the last weeks of the | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
Leveson inquiry have been uncomfortable. At the moment I | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
think we have a press which has just become frankly putrid. | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
High King of Milly Dowler's telephone was not a bad thing for a | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
well-meaning journalist, who was only trying to help find the girl. | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
What you do is, you say, a security source said, and when a load of | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
quotes from a source, which charges made up of the top of my head. | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson, they're the scum of journalism for | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
trying to drop me in it. newspapers have become part of the | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
political process, yet without any of the accountability which other | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
parts of the political process are subject to. In the fortnight or so | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
since Lord Leveson started hearing evidence, we have heard how the | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
tabloid press have mistreated families like Milly Dowler's and | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
the McCann's. The press have admitted to certain things they | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
have done which the public would be shocked about. But now, the tabloid | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
press are starting to say it is too much one-way traffic. People from | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
the industry now seem to be the grubby journalists, the people who | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
admit having hacked phones or making up stories, and they have | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
been given a huge platform to explain what they did. And the | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
decent, honest journalists, like the 280 who lost their jobs at the | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
News of the World, are not being given any say. In the committee I | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
sit on, which is looking into privacy and super-injunctions, we | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
have heard from tabloid proprietors and tabloid journalists, and they | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
have given as good as they have taken. I don't think the voice of | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
the boding tabloid journalist is going unheard on this. If anybody | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
thinks that's the case, and if Leveson thinks it is the case, it | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
is open to him to call them as witnesses. So, what would they say | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
if they were in the room? Their defence has seem to be that the | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
tabloids always have been and still Lara force for good. Just before we | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
close, we secured a Military Covenant, enshrined in law, which | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
the Prime Minister had refused to do. The Sun has this week launched | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
a campaign to try to stop the cuts in armed forces' pay. We have had | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
campaigns such as Sara's law, relating to predatory paedophiles. | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
Parents have the right to know if they are living in their | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
communities. And we have campaigns such as help for heroes, in the Sun, | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
which has raised masses of money for Armed Forces charities, and has | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
changed the way this country things about our soldiers, who put their | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
lives on the line. In terms of hearing evidence, Leveson has a | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
long way to run. In terms of being fair, according to some of the | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
newspapers, Leveson has a long way to go. I'm joined now by the Labour | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
MP Chris Bryant, who has had less than welcome attention from the | :21:55. | :22:02. | |
tabloids and the past. We had hoped to be joined by the chief executive | :22:02. | :22:12. | |
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It has always been in the gutter. And it is quite a good place to be, | :22:16. | :22:26. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 54 seconds | :22:26. | :23:20. | |
actually. The idea is that you are Tony you have earned up to the fact | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
that you hardly ever check whether any stories were true. You have | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
spent a great deal of time to piling the idea of any hacking. | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
Indeed, I remember going on many Indeed, I remember going on many | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
programmes with you, where you said, categorically, that you could not | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
believe that it could have happened, that nobody senior at the | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
organisation would know about it, and even if it did, you said it was | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
a socialist conspiracy. And then you found out that your phone was | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
hacked, and suddenly you were upset. I was totally upset. Somebody paid | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
you to write an article, so you got a bit more upset. I do not get paid | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
to write articles in the Spectator. If I had to do that, I would be in | :23:58. | :24:05. | |
the gutter. But what about the broader point? Are do not know what | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
it is exactly. The broader point is that there was a problem within one | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
newspaper, and, did they pay a price for all of that? That | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
newspaper does not exist today. Actually, I am amazed that that | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
paper does not exist. I was shocked when it was shut down. When did you | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
decide that Rupert Murdoch's tabloids were beneath contempt? Was | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
it when the Sun endorsed Labour in three subsequent elections, or when | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
it endorsed Cameron in 2009? first started raising questions | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
about the payment of police officers by the News Of The World | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
and by the Sun on 11th March 2003. I can remember because it was my | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
dad's birthday. You never spoke about the tabloids like this when | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
they were backing Labour. I did, I'm afraid. In these words? I did | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
not talk about the hacking, -- I did not know about the hacking, but | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
I raised the issue of Murdoch's domination, having so many of the | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
newspapers, as well as the broadcasters. Can they be a force | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
for good? Yes, of course they can, and sometimes they have been. When? | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
There have been lots of campaigns which have been run by tabloid | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
journalists. We should not forget that a lot of this is coming out | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
now because of the investigative journalism done by a guy at The | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
Guardian. Not a tabloid. No, but I do not care whether a newspaper is | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
a tabloid, I am not a snob. Entertaining newspapers are great. | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
So, what's the problem? Because all I want journalism to do is to | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
return to its old fashioned thing of bringing the truth to light, but | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
doing it within the law, and not running headlines about | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
Hillsborough which were a complete and utter lies. This has got | :25:49. | :25:55. | |
nothing to do with Hillsborough. is, it is about lying. How do you | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
know? How do you know, you printed a newspaper. That story came from | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
Liverpool news agency and Liverpool journalists. Every single newspaper | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
carried that story, as you well know. Carry on. You ran a newspaper | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
which said that people had done these things. Both of you, be quiet, | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
you have done the Hillsborough., the viewers will make up their own | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
minds. I have a broader question - do you have any regrets or remorse | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
about some of the things you did as a tabloid editor? Probably, yes, I | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
do. Would that include Hillsborough? If I could revisit | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
Hillsborough, I would do it in a different way, I would do with the | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
way the other newspapers did it, I wish I had done that, yes. What do | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
you think will come out of this, what will be the end game, after | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
Leveson and so on? It must not muzzle the press. I know people | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
will say politicians want the press to be muzzled, I do not want that. | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
I want the press to be vibrant and sometimes use colourful language | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
and the rest of it, and be interested in the wrong doings of | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
politicians, I have no problem with that. But I think everybody needs a | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
little bit of privacy, just to be able to survive, we all need our | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
own personal space. And one thing which some tabloids have got wrong | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
is that things have changed since 50 years ago, and sometimes, some | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
tabloids have maintained an attitude of a kind of judgmental | :27:29. | :27:38. | |
attitude from the 1950s. Just time to pick a winner from yesterday's | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
Guess the Year competition. The answer was 1969, the great battle | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
between Robert Maxwell and Rupert Murdoch for the News Of The World. | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
Rupert Murdoch got it because they thought he was more British than | :27:48. | :27:57. | |
Robert Maxwell. You get to pick the winner. I have not got my glasses. | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
Oh, it is Simon from Liverpool. Just joking. That's all we have got | :28:01. | :28:11. | |
time for today. I have got 40 quid. I'm also back tonight with This | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
Week. And I will be back tomorrow for another day politics. You just | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
can't get enough of it. We will have Tim Montgomerie, the famous | :28:20. | :28:30. | |
:28:30. | :28:32. | ||
Tory blogger on, and comedian Andi Osho, who will tell us why she's | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
not happy about the money being spent on the Olympics. And we have | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
had lots of e-mails about Hillsborough, I will be sending | :28:38. | :28:43. |