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Afternoon, welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
Labour hold the Feltham by-election. The IMF warn of a 1930s type | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
Depression. And the French have got it in for us. Again. But more | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
important than any of this, it's the final Daily Politics of the | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
year. Ah! But fear not, because it's our | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
annual festive quiz. Hurray! It's that time again where | :00:47. | :00:57. | |
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we take stock, and look back over the events of the past 12 months. | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
Well, that's going to cheer us all up! Maybe we should look to the | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
future, at all the things that could happen next year. This could | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
be a long programme. But fear not, because joining me today to battle | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
it out for this brand new Daily Politics mug are the three wise men | :01:13. | :01:21. | |
of politics. Labour's Charles Falconer. Chris | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
Rennard from the Liberal Democrats. And, seeing as we've got two lords | :01:27. | :01:34. | |
a leaping, we felt we needed a commoner. So we plumped for the | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
Conservatives' Jacob Rees-Mogg. Welcome to show. | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
And, like all good quiz shows, we've got buzzers. So let's give | :01:40. | :01:50. | |
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them a try. Calm down. A pygmy. I'm not Tony Blair. | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
We'll split the quiz into three parts. Labour, Lib Dem. And first | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
the Conservatives. Questions in a moment. But to kick us off, let's | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
take a look back at their year. I should warn you, there's flash | :02:10. | :02:20. | |
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photography right from the start. And tonight, British forces are in | :02:29. | :02:39. | |
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Colonel Gaddafi said he would hunt you down like rats, but you showed | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
the courage of Lyons. Any money in the box, Chancellor? | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
If the rest of Europe heads into recession it may be hard to avoid | :02:51. | :02:59. | |
one here in the UK. This is criminality, pure and | :02:59. | :03:09. | |
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What is on offer it isn't in Britain's interests so what did not | :03:16. | :03:26. | |
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Jacob Rees-Mogg, you are renting a better than you thought you would, | :03:38. | :03:44. | |
but 2012 looks grim. The economy is in a difficult situation and the | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
euro remains in crisis. There is no solution to the crisis, the thing | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
they recommended last weekend amounted to nothing. Since the | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
Chancellor has said that the biggest drag on the economy that is | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
the uncertainty of the eurozone crisis, events are out of your | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
government's control. Economic events often outside government | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
control but the government cannot expect the economy to react | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
immediately. They can set the framework where business can do | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
business which is what this government is doing. Do you get the | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
feeling, the official forecast does not say it, but there is an | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
expectation of the session. clearly is difficult, but we are | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
not in the position of Greece, or Ireland, where they are cutting | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
public sector salaries by 6% in Ireland. There is a sense, it | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
doesn't matter who would be in power now, it would be heavy | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
pounding for any government. sense that the politicians have any | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
control over events is huge at the moment. George Osborne has had to | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
come back to the despatch box to revise his forecast. We have no | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
control over Europe, I don't mean just the failure to agree. The | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
eurozone, they cannot get that right. Politicians are looking to | :05:08. | :05:18. | |
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the public as a whole, as very diminished figures. In a way, I was | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
struck by the way George Osborne had to rip up his economic policy | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
effectively, he won't get the structural deficit down by 2015, | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
the growth figures were wrong. And the country said, what do you | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
expect? The idea that government is in control, what Chris said was | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
admirable, but hopeless. It is whistling in the wind. The one | :05:46. | :05:54. | |
issue the coalition thought its part of them in the agreement, was | :05:54. | :06:03. | |
Europe, and Europe has come back to dominate politics. They are already | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
planning for a summit at the end of January, it continues to be an | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
issue. It clearly divides the coalition, does the coalition | :06:14. | :06:21. | |
divide -- survive? There are large differences in the coalition, on | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
how the health service might be changed, on Europe. It is not wrong | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
in a coalition to have differences. No one country controls its own | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
economy. If this country's economy and every other is to avoid | :06:36. | :06:43. | |
problems, we need to work together more closely. An interesting answer. | :06:43. | :06:51. | |
Could you answer my question? Does the Coalition survive? It is stable | :06:51. | :07:00. | |
and strong. Will it remain so? next general election will be in a | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
2015. You are tap-dancing around the Christmas tree. Suddenly for | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
the first time, David Cameron is a hero among his own backbench MPs. | :07:14. | :07:20. | |
He has always been, since the day he became leader. A hero to us and | :07:20. | :07:27. | |
the country. He has done the right thing on Europe. And now? To ensure | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
any agreement that comes through does not use the commission, that | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
it has to be outside the framework. That is what is being discussed at | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
the moment. If other treaties come through which they probably will, | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
that is the time to renegotiate. The Conservatives are committed as | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
a party to a renegotiation of our terms of membership, the coalition | :07:52. | :08:02. | |
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is not. I ultimately want a renegotiation of the treaties, but | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
that comes with a majority Conservative government. Let's get | :08:06. | :08:14. | |
on with the questions. Question one. Which of these pairs of shoes do | :08:14. | :08:24. | |
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Is it the gumboots? It is not. sparkling ones. It is. Who do these | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
belong to? You were second in. You have to get this bit right. To a | :08:39. | :08:47. | |
film star. They were from the Wizard of Oz Question two. Who's | :08:47. | :08:57. | |
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the tallest? Jacob Rees Mogg. Give me a chance | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
to read out the names. Daniel Kawczynski it is the tallest MP in | :09:02. | :09:10. | |
history. 6 ft 8? 6 ft 9. The average national height is... 5 ft | :09:10. | :09:20. | |
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9. He is the tallest MP ever. for Shrewsbury. Still no points! | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
Now for the final question in this round. Time for a bit of popular | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
culture. Who came second in this year's X Factor? Misha B. Marcus | :09:28. | :09:35. | |
Collins. Amelia Lily. Or Two Shoes? It was Marcus he was second. | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
you watch it? No, but I had spies giving the posts on what was going | :09:41. | :09:51. | |
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on. What are these cause? -- the scores? | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
Let's move on to the Liberal Democrats. It's been quite a year | :10:02. | :10:11. | |
for them. Let's take a look back. It was my turn tonight to get a | :10:11. | :10:21. | |
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Cause to listen and to engage. you not just have a slight argument | :10:29. | :10:39. | |
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This has become a deeply, and appallingly, personalised campaign. | :10:46. | :10:56. | |
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That is a new low in British It is not going to happen for three | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
years but divorce is inevitable. am bitterly disappointed by the | :11:04. | :11:14. | |
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outcome of last week's summit. So, or Chris Rennard, you've lost | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
the vote, you did terribly in the polls, you are now in cahoots with | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
the most Euro-sceptic government in the history of this government -- | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
country. I long for the day when we could blame unpopularity on mid | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
term. Used to benefit from it. have a few years to show it was | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
worthwhile and people are better off because we are there. The | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
Liberal Democrats have suffered but the country is better because we | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
have done what we have done. country is heading back into | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
recession. We are not in a situation of Greece, Ireland or | :11:56. | :12:04. | |
Italy. We are better Ross, because the Lib Dems are here. Lower income | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
families are paying lower income tax. And there is more free child | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
care because of the Liberal Democrats. It would be worse if the | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
Conservatives had overall majority. Do you like being in a coalition | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
where you are portrayed as the nasty evil blood-sucking party and | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
they do the cuddly things. I am sure they don't mean it. I think | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
there is some validity in that argument. The vulnerable are now | :12:33. | :12:40. | |
being protected. If it wasn't for the Lib Dems, you would have | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
brought back the workhouse, kids would be going out in days. | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
This isn't a realistic analysis of the coalition. The deserved his | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
could have done a large number of things they have done through the | :12:51. | :13:00. | |
coalition. The great thing the Lib Dems have brought is raising the | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
Thresher -- tax threshold. There are good bits of the coalition. | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
Politicians have to work with what the electorate gives them. Do you | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
think Nick Clegg will survive as a Liberal Democrat leader? | :13:13. | :13:23. | |
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Liberal Democrats, the reason why the coalition is working is because | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
stepping outside the coalition represents political disaster. The | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
Liberal Democrats are bound in their own interest to get rid of | :13:32. | :13:42. | |
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Nick Clegg in 2014. To fight a new election? Precisely. It is unlikely | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
on the basis of what we are seeing, they can say we supported the | :13:47. | :13:54. | |
recovery of the economy. They have wrecked the position in Europe, | :13:54. | :14:01. | |
what did they achieve? What is the answer? Labour can't say what they | :14:01. | :14:09. | |
would do? I elected Nick Clegg as leader. He was then working in the | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
European Commission. In trade talks with China. The answer to the | :14:14. | :14:21. | |
question? The ambition of the party was to move from protest to power. | :14:21. | :14:29. | |
Nick Clegg has achieved that. Charlie has a long memory and | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
remember the Government's doing, do things which are popular, | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
popularity can recover. He is formidably strong in TV debates. | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
That could have been a one off, novelty value. There was a | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
remarkable admission by Nick Clegg when he said to the Liberal | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
Democrat MPs, I am not going to go down in history as the last leader | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
of the Liberal Democrats by forcing a general election. If we went to | :14:59. | :15:07. | |
the country now, we would be wiped The party will not end with the | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
leadership of Nick Clegg. But he would be wiped out in a General | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
Election now? I think people vote for individual MPs as much as for a | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
government. If you look at the strength of the Bull Democrat MPs, | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
many times you and others have forecast the demise of the Liberal | :15:23. | :15:31. | |
Democrats. I never have. It's been pretty good. Can we get into the | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
text? I'm sure we can, but I have had different questions with you, | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
at many party conferences. When you said it will be so difficult for | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
to fail, we have always bounced back. Our MPs will do well again. | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
If you can't find it, we will have a blank space. What would you say | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
if David Cameron said, Europe is such a big issue, we've got to go | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
to the country, let's do it and fight over this issue? I do think | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
it is more important than the coalition. If the Lib Dems were | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
saying the price of coalition is that we signed up to the treaty, | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
the Tories could not accept that. It would be impossible to go to an | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
election. It is in the hands of the Lib Dems. If they want the | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
coalition to work, it can be made to work. Are you tempted to take | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
advantage of the politics of the moment? I am not. The Prime | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
Minister gave a commitment to make it work for five years. We would be | :16:27. | :16:37. | |
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damaged at their electorate if we Let's get back to the quiz. The | :16:43. | :16:53. | |
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Daily Politics Christmas quiz. There is a cat, there is Ekaterina | :16:56. | :17:04. | |
Zatuliveter. Which one? Is it the cat? Criminal proceedings? It is | :17:04. | :17:10. | |
not. You get a penalty point for interrupting with the Ronan said. | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
We have had Ekaterina Zatuliveter, Chris Huhne, or some election | :17:15. | :17:24. | |
literature. Which is the wrong one out? It's pretty easy, really. | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
was found not to be a Russian spy after all. Do you think Chris Huhne | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
is a Russian spy? I was being flippant. I cannot work out between | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
the four of them. Could it be it... No, forget it. I was going to say | :17:41. | :17:47. | |
the cat again. You just said that the cat! No wonder you don't get on | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
to proper quiz shows. The answer is Chris Huhne. Why? All the others | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
have been in front of a judge so far. The Liberal Democrat wife | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
stole the cat. The Russian was in front of a judge. Dodgy election | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
literature from the Lib-Dems, that had to be in front of a judge. But | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
Chris Huhne has not been in front of a judge. In 2011. Neither has | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
the cat! That is a terrible question. You are obsessed with | :18:17. | :18:27. | |
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that cat. He was the shortest of these people? John Bercow... Sarah | :18:27. | :18:34. | |
Teather. The correct answer. You have got to be quicker, you two. A | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
soft life in the Lords has made them slow. Jacob has a Razorlight | :18:40. | :18:50. | |
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What does TOWIE stand for? What a useless shower! It is a television | :18:56. | :19:02. | |
programme. It stands for... Because it is such a long name... The Only | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
Way Is Essex. It is one of the scripted reality programmes. You | :19:07. | :19:17. | |
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have clearly not CNET. What does MIC stand for? Made in Chelsea. | :19:19. | :19:29. | |
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Have you seen that? You see, it is the posh version of TOWIE. They | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
have really got their fingers on the Bozo of popular culture. Let's | :19:35. | :19:42. | |
look at the scores. -- bowser. Charles and Chris, one. I think he | :19:42. | :19:50. | |
has zero, actually. Charles, you are on 0. Chris is one, Jacob is | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
three. Pulling away, I would say. Poled away! Being the politically | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
neutral BBC, I am advised to say that we should take a look at | :20:00. | :20:10. | |
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Can you tell us why you have You must be the first Mafia boss in | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
history that didn't know he was running a criminal enterprise. | :20:47. | :20:57. | |
steps that the Government could take tomorrow. I'm not Tony Blair. | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
It is not the job of politicians and we do not support strikes. | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
Nobody wants to see the strike happen, in fact. But both sides | :21:05. | :21:15. | |
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So, Charlie Falconer. Unemployment is rising, heading towards 3 | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
million. Living standards have been squeezed more tightly than at any | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
time since 1925. The economy is not growing. We stare recession in the | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
face and the Labour opposition is behind in the polls. Explain. | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
think no political leader is emerging with solutions. I think | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
the situation is incredibly difficult. It's not surprising that | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
we are not emerging. 18 months ago we lost a General Election. You are | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
not surprised? I would have thought you would be 20 points ahead. | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
Everybody recognises it is a very dire situation. We have just lost a | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
General Election, 18 months ago. The other parties are being given a | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
chance and it is very difficult. We got considerable advantages. We | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
have remained united. We have not gone off the page as far as the | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
public are concerned. There is still the choice to be made, is my | :22:09. | :22:16. | |
feeling. If your party watches PMQs, do they think, we chose the wrong | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
brother? I don't know what they think about that. There was a smile | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
coming on your face. I was going to make a little quip. I'm not sure if | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
they watch PMQs, even on your marvellous programme. I am sure | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
there are people that do. But I don't think that is the medium that | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
is influencing people on which leader to go for. The traditional | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
view about what was going to happen in British politics was that it | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
would depend on the economy. That view has been replaced by a sense | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
of powerlessness of politicians. The one who appears most to have | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
caught the mood over the next year or two is the one that will win. | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
That is why I am not as surprised as you, obviously. No mainstream | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
commentator thought Michael Foot had any solutions. At this | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
particular point, he was doing much better in the polls than Ed | :23:06. | :23:13. | |
Miliband. Michael Foot was doing better. What were the mainstream | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
commentators say -- saying? Margaret Thatcher does have a way | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
forward. Before the Falklands war, we thought she was going to lose | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
the election. I was not around them. But it is because... You were not | :23:26. | :23:33. | |
around? I was alive! You were living with Tony Blair. But I was | :23:33. | :23:43. | |
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Given that if it was a Conservative government there would be a protest | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
vote, the anti-government vote would go to the Lib Dems as well, | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
that would not happen. If you don't like this government, there is only | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
one place in mainstream politics to go to, Labour. Doesn't it make it | :23:55. | :24:02. | |
more surprising? Labour do not really have the benefit -- Lib-Dems | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
do not have that benefit of protest. Before 2010, during the course of | :24:06. | :24:12. | |
the campaign, people had lost confidence in Labour's policies on | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
the economy. Since they have offered nothing difference in 2010, | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
they cannot recover their position. Jacob Rees-Mogg, you are something | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
of a specialist. What advice would you offer Ed Miliband to improve | :24:25. | :24:32. | |
his appeal with the masses? Resign. I don't understand why they haven't. | :24:32. | :24:39. | |
Ed Balls is so much more impressive. I don't think he's got any appeal. | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
If you look at the Tory party, Howard went through leaders, when | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
our leaders do not work out, we get a new one. It's a bit more ruthless. | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
I'm becoming an increasing fan of Ed Balls. I think he is capable and | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
an incredibly strong performer will stop you say that in an entirely | :24:57. | :25:06. | |
Your party doesn't want Ed Miliband to fall on his sword? From our | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
point of view, it's great. The longer the better. Does he survive | :25:10. | :25:17. | |
until the next election? He does. You don't do regicide? There was | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
quite a move to try and get rid of Gordon Brown in the build-up to the | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
2010 election, when he was very low in the polls, very unpopular. The | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
Labour Party would not budge. I think he will fight the next | :25:28. | :25:35. | |
election. Since you are also good at this quiz, let's go back to it. | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
Time for your final set of questions. Do since you like Ed | :25:40. | :25:47. | |
Balls, Jacob. Ed Balls cries at which programme? You know before I | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
had even mentioned the name. I know what he cries at. Is it the | :25:51. | :25:57. | |
Antiques Roadshow? It is. The other choices were Question Time, some of | :25:57. | :26:06. | |
us do cry at that. Downton Abbey. Or Lassia, I always cry at that. | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
Which of these is the odd one out, Ken Mackintosh, Tom Harris, Johann | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
Lamont. Kate McIntosh, the only one not running to be leader of the | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
Scottish Labour Party? No. Macintosh? Ed Miliband couldn't | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
remember his name? Correct answer. Let's see this clip. Can you name | :26:29. | :26:37. | |
three of them? There is Tom Harris, Beria's Johann Lamont and a third | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
candidate, who has also put himself forward. The front runner, Ken | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
Mackintosh. Yes. The front-runner, but you can't made him? | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
Mackintosh will be an excellent candidate. | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
There, but for the grace of God, go close. I bet you would not have | :26:53. | :27:00. | |
known? I have made worse mistakes than that. Let's have the final | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
question. It is another popular culture one. Pop star Justin | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
Bieber's plans are known as what? Bieberheads, Beliebers, | :27:11. | :27:21. | |
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Biebermaniacs. No! You just guessed. Yes. It is great route. From | :27:29. | :27:39. | |
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-- it is Beliebers, from the song, I am a Beliebers. You had a chance | :27:43. | :27:49. | |
to get it right and you were wrong. I can't believe not one of them | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
knew about TOWIE. To think Essex used to dominate the political | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
culture. Time to find out who is the lucky winner. Charles has got | :27:57. | :28:06. | |
two. Chris has got two. Jacob has got two. I went down! You took one | :28:06. | :28:13. | |
away. No, I think I took one away from you. I think we need a recount. | :28:13. | :28:21. | |
It's a bit like elections in Glasgow. I think Jacob won, myself. | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
You get the mug. That is it for this week. We thank our three wise | :28:27. | :28:32. |