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Morning, folks. This is the Daily Politics. His latest poll ratings | :00:38. | :00:45. | |
don't make happy reading, but the Labour leader will be hoping his | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
latest campaign will prove a hit with the public. Mr Miliband's | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
decided to wage war on the bankers again, and let's face it, that's | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
always popular with the public. He's demanding the Government step in and | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
veto bumper bonuses at RBS. George Osborne wants to fix the engine that | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
drives Europe. He's been wanting to give it a major service for a while. | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
This morning he warns of economic catastrophe if the EU fails to | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
reform. Could PMQs hold some surprises this week? Tune in for all | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
the action at midday. And he's been dubbed France's John | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
Major. The grey man of French politics. How wrong they were. We'll | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
be trying to delve into the secret life of President Hollande. It could | :01:23. | :01:23. | |
take some time. All that and more coming up in the | :01:24. | :01:32. | |
next 90 minutes of Golden Globe award- winning TV. Actually that's a | :01:33. | :01:40. | |
lie. The first line of the programme! We've never won a thing | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
in our life. But gracing us with their presence: Best dressed | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
actress, Shadow Energy Secretary Caroline Flint and and best dressed | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
actor, Justice Minister Shailish Vara. Welcome to you both. Now, | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
first today let's talk about something we've never ever talked | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
about before. Europe. Because this morning the Chancellor, George | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
Osborne, has been warning that a failure to reform the European Union | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
and renegotiate the terms of membership would condemn Europeans | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
to "economic crisis and continuing decline". In a speech to a | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
conference in London, Mr Osborne stressed that the European Union | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
must be more competitive to keep up with other global economic powers | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
like China and India. We all knew there was a | :02:17. | :02:27. | |
competitiveness problem in Europe before the crisis, but the crisis | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
has dramatically accelerated shifts in the tectonic economic plates that | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
sea power moving eastwards and southwards on our planet. Over the | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
last six years, the European economy has stalled. In the same period, the | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
Indian economy has grown by more than a third, and the Chinese | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
economy by 70%. Over the next 15 years, Europe's share of global | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
output is forecast to halve. Make no mistake. Our continent is falling | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
behind. That is George Osborne. Shailesh Vara, can your party ever | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
stop talking about Europe? You always said you didn't want to bang | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
on about Europe, but you seem to be doing it. It is an important issue, | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
and the public have an issue in it. But there are other issues as well. | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
What George Osborne is saying today is right, that we have got to ensure | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
that the present European Union reforms, because if it doesn't, it | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
will decline. We are all in it to make sure that there is prosperity | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
for all of us. Do you think the threat of civil war in your party | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
over Europe helps David Cameron's negotiating position with his EU | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
partners? The different views in my party have always been there. And it | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
hasn't helped, has it in terms of the Conservative Party's prospect? | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
Disunity hasn't helped. Many other European leaders are beginning to | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
reflect what their own country's population are beginning to feel and | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
say to them, and they all feel the need for reform and change. So I | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
think the people that David Cameron will deal with, the other European | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
leaders, other people who matter, and they are beginning to get a | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
sense that we form is necessary. If the Conservatives win the next | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
election, in about 24 months, there will be a referendum, and people | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
will be able to decide, in or out. But that isn't proving to be enough | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
for 95 of your Conservative colleagues. That whole speech was | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
designed to placate those who would like to see some moving terms of our | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
relationship with Europe sooner rather than later. But does their | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
position helped the promised or not? The negotiations on with the | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
other European leaders. So he should ignore those people in the party who | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
call for things like a veto of EU law unilaterally when Britain, when | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
it is not in Britain's interests? We have a -- the Prime Minister is | :05:12. | :05:19. | |
clear that if we have a unilateral veto, then other countries could do | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
that and the whole thing starts to fall apart. We want to reform, put | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
together a package and stated in the country. Reform is important, isn't | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
it Caroline Flint? I think reform of the European Union is important, and | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
some things speak to what George Osborne is saying. We do need to | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
look at growth and competition, budget control. We had our view | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
before that there should be a gross commissioner, -- a growth | :05:47. | :05:56. | |
commissioner. I think we need to be clear about what the Chancellor is | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
suggesting, because we are not there to compete with China and India on a | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
low-wage economy. Unless we are going to go for a real race to the | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
bottom, we won't beat them on labour costs, so we have to think | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
differently. So you are happy to keep the regulations like the | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
working Time directive all rights for workers put upon us by the EU, | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
because that would prevent a low-wage economy? I think some of | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
the things like paid holiday is something that we want to keep as a | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
country and across the whole of Europe, because we don't want to be | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
undercut by some of the new entrants with a lower standard of | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
employment. But how do we deal with China and elsewhere, making sure | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
that we have a secure, qualified workforce that is exporting to | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
Europe but also to the rest of the world, including what they call the | :06:48. | :07:02. | |
BRIC countries. Europe Cancer 7% of the world's population and 50% of | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
welfare spending. Is that right? Part of what we should do is to | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
challenge... Do you reject those figures? We need to look at health | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
systems, housing, everything. The aim for Europe should be to | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
encourage better standards elsewhere in the world as well. We had that | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
disastrous factory closing the lack from another part of the world where | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
we source close through prior mark, people wondered how that could | :07:36. | :07:45. | |
happen. -- through Primark. We should always be trying to ensure | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
that these regulations keep everyone safe. Regulations are a burden for | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
business. Safety regulations like Caroline was talking about? We need | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
to make sure there are basic safety measures, but the unnecessary | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
bureaucracy that stems from Europe is stifling. Give me examples of | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
unnecessary bureaucracy. Paperwork. In the farming industry, a farmer is | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
there to look after his crops or his animals. Instead, he has to fill in | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
papers each of his livestock. And on another matter, it is important that | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
you don't knock Britain. We now have more people in employment than ever | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
before. We are actually attracting overseas investment. The largest | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
private-sector employer in this country happens to be the Tata | :08:38. | :08:47. | |
group. Keeping a watch on the amount of paperwork is worthwhile, but | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
let's talk about farmers and what they produce. Farmers in this | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
country and food manufacturers are protected by making sure that the | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
products that they have cannot be copied and sold as the original | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
elsewhere in the European Union, that is protected the market for | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
many of our goods. It is not about always looking at regulation. You | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
have to be clear about what you are talking about. You say you want to | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
attract more investment, but the Mayor of London says that the threat | :09:15. | :09:24. | |
of the exit from the U is a sordid Damocles held over businesses. What | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
do you say to that? A decision has not yet been taken. Businesses have | :09:29. | :09:37. | |
been talking about this one way or another, but at the moment, | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
investment is still coming into this country. Employment is at a high | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
level. You will recall that on this very programme, I talked about the | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
protected status of Stilton cheese. I have been banging on about | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
regulations, and those... You would like a veto on the regulations? Do | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
you agree with those people? No. What I want is for the Prime | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
Minister to negotiate with his counterparts across the European | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
Union to create a package to put to the public who can have final say. | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
Briefly, Caroline, why don't you just give the British people the | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
chance to have a say? There are really important things we need to | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
discuss about the European Union, and the problem with the referendum, | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
is they are putting it out there and we don't know the basis on which it | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
will be held. Hang on a second. You don't know what the European Union | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
will look like after your negotiation and therefore what the | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
question is. Cameron is trying to have it both ways. He says he wants | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
to stay and reform, but he has to throw a bone to those people who | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
will never say and never be satisfied they are out. You just | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
won't want a referendum. You are happy with what we have got. No. Are | :10:54. | :11:02. | |
you finished? It's your turn! The latest odds on who President | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
Hollande will take to the White House. He is odds-on that he will go | :11:07. | :11:15. | |
alone. Valerie Trierweiler, two to one. Julie Gayet, 20 to one. Sig Lim | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
Royale, the mother of his four children, 66 to one. And Carla Bruni | :11:23. | :11:33. | |
is 100 to one. She of course is Mrs Nicolas Sarkozy. | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
Although Labour has made strong running of late, the latest polls | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
have shown that it hasn't had quite the impact on voters that they | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
hoped. Their poll lead has shrunk to just 3%, attributed to the | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
recovering economy. We don't know if that is a rogue result or not. So it | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
looks like Ed Miliband will have to keep trying to turn up the pressure | :11:59. | :12:05. | |
on the Tories. Over to you, Jo. I'm not going to the White House, I can | :12:06. | :12:14. | |
tell you that. You are 600 to one! Another day, another Labour | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
campaign. First it was cost of living, yesterday it was saving the | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
middle classes. And today it's back to banker-bashing. Labour is | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
demanding that the Chancellor stops RBS from paying out bumper bonuses. | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
The maximum bonus, set by the EU, is one year's pay. But this can be | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
doubled if shareholders agree. Labour has tabled a Commons motion | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
calling on the Government, the majority shareholder, to reject any | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
such request. The Treasury seems to have a very different view. They're | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
actually against the EU limit on bonuses itself and are challenging | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
it in the courts. It's a political dilemma - whilst no-one wants to be | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
seen as the banks' best mate, it's taxpayers who'll win if RBS keep | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
talented staff and make loads of money. | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
Thank you for that. And we're joined now by the Editor of City AM, | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
Alistair Heath. Now, David Cameron said last year that we're all | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
Thatcherites now. Also known as the French Ambassador's best friend here | :13:08. | :13:15. | |
in London. What is wrong with the Government exercising their | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
shareholders' writes? There is nothing wrong with it. But if they | :13:22. | :13:29. | |
think that the bonuses should be set at 200% limit, but is also right. So | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
I don't believe that it should be a political issue. It should be a | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
commercial issue in terms of making sure that RBS recovers as quickly as | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
possible and is worth more to the taxpayer when it is eventually | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
privatised. So if the Government is the major shareholder, it should set | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
or OK all have a veto over the bonus? There are two issues here. | :13:54. | :14:01. | |
There is the populist issue of saying no, or the realistic option | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
in recognising that each taxpayer in our country has contributed ?5,000 | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
to bailing out RBS, and the ultimate aim has to be to make sure that when | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
we resell RBS, we get maximum value. We could say no to all of this, and | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
it is the taxpayer who suffers. You cut your nose to spite your face. | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
Two simple points we wanted to make. What is the simple answer to my | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
simple question? I am not a Treasury minister. But I'm very happy with | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
what I'm doing at the moment! But clearly it is a dilemma will stop | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
you have not had the talking point or the briefing notes on what the | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
government policy is. You know that the Chancellor is | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
challenging the existing position. That is on the principle, that it | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
would cover all banks, I'm talking about the European Union saying that | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
you can't pay anyone more than one year's salary as a bonus. This is | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
the issue in principle of whether the Government should veto or | :15:10. | :15:23. | |
approve the bonuses at RBS. I am not the minister in charge. But we don't | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
have a policy yet? As far as I am aware, I don't know. You have the | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
simplistic option which is popular, or the realistic option. Or no | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
option at all until you have that made up your mind. You have only | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
owned the bank for about eight years! The request has only just | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
come through. Have we had any requests for bonuses yet? What I | :15:51. | :16:02. | |
heard today is apparently there hasn't been a formal request. But | :16:03. | :16:10. | |
because there is quite a lot of speculation amongst people in the | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
finance community and the media, this request is likely to come | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
forward. It is fair for us to say before we end up with a done deal, | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
through parliament we express a point of view. Even though RBS has | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
not requested any bonuses? Nobody can change it when a deal is done. | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
What we can have an open debate where we can all have our say. As | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
you said, the rules said that banks come up to 100% of someone's salary | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
and 100% of it again for bonuses. But if they want to double it they | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
have to go to their shareholders. We are the biggest shareholders, the | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
taxpayers have nailed out this bank. There is still problems in terms of | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
their lending to business, and on all those counts and there is more | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
and we do not believe it is right they should get a 200% increase. But | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
you would allow them a bonus of up to 100% of their salary? Under the | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
European new rules -- rules which we have supported, which says they can | :17:20. | :17:26. | |
have a bonus of up to 100% but beyond that they have to go to the | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
shareholders. So you support that? Then we have to go to the EU | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
legislation. We are a shareholder in this organisation. We get the | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
principle. George Osborne is trying to get rid of that. Every other bank | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
would go for 200%. But does that say something about the sector. Do you | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
want to ban bonuses in banks on do you want to restrict them to 50%. | :17:55. | :18:02. | |
The problem at the moment is, if you are allocating resources and hiring | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
people, what the Labour policy will be on this? I understand there was | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
an increase on the numbers of people coming to work in the financial | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
sector and trading in the last year by a considerable sum. It does not | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
look like there is a stem on the flow of people wanting to work in | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
this sector. We have to make sure the crisis that came about through | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
poor financial management in this sector and a bonus culture that | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
encouraged wrongdoing, we don't find ourselves in the same position. | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
Excuse me, it is not a monologue. What would happen if RBS is limited | :18:41. | :18:50. | |
to 100% and H -- HSBC pays 300%. They will have to get on with their | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
jobs. You say that, but all the good people will move to HSBC. This is | :18:56. | :19:02. | |
always the arguments, whether it is the banking sector or energy, if you | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
make any changes to upset the status quo it will all go under and fail. I | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
don't think that is true. It has been used against politicians | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
against making changes when we should have made changes. It stands | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
to reason any market economy, until Ed Miliband gets into power, if a | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
bank is paying a bonus three times bigger than another bank, the people | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
will leave, will they not? This sector is not sure in terms of | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
people. He is the city journalist. Base pay is going up and bonuses are | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
falling. A greater proportion of pay is paid out in cash, rather than in | :19:45. | :19:53. | |
this bonuses. I would rather see transparency on the base pay. Short | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
term compensation, as a result of capping bonuses, you get shorter | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
term pay rather than longer term pay that can be clawed back. We don't go | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
to nurses or doctors and say, you will get 100% bonus. If RBS got | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
round this, and the way around it is, the European Union sets this | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
rule the bonus can only be 100% of your salary, capped at that and for | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
most people it would be a lot of money. What is to stop the banks | :20:26. | :20:33. | |
saying, you are on 1 million, have 2 million. If RBS came and started to | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
do that, would you intervene to stop salary is going up? What we need to | :20:39. | :20:51. | |
be mindful of its we have this cap, salaries will be there to get around | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
the bonuses. You will get allowances. They will be thrown in. | :20:55. | :21:02. | |
Would you intervene? I want to see a commercial... Just say it. I am an | :21:03. | :21:13. | |
serene yet. I am sorry you don't like the answer. I would like the | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
maximum benefit for the taxpayer. That is a fair enough point. Let me | :21:20. | :21:29. | |
ask you this, since I cannot get the reply I want here, Labour's policy | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
as I understand it, Ed Miliband is going to announce you will cap any | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
bank from holding more than 25% of the domestic banking market, is that | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
right? I will not get into what Ed Miliband is going to talk about in | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
his speech and announce on Friday. What I will say, Ed Miliband will be | :21:53. | :22:00. | |
talking on how do we earn a higher standard of living and make the | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
right reforms, it is not just about ranking and other sectors, to make | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
sure we can have a competitive economy, transparent and fair. You | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
will have to wait 72 hours. I am only asking because you are prepared | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
to tell RBS what it should do before they announce any bonuses at all, | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
but you will not tell us what the 25% is. We need more competition in | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
retail banking. We need to make it easier for new entrants into the | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
market and make it easier for people to switch bank accounts. Capping of | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
25% robs any bank of the incentive to grow. A bank will want to fight | :22:41. | :22:47. | |
for more customers. You can only get a new customer if a customer leaves | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
or dies. The banking service will collapse and get rid of | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
underperforming customers. If you don't earn much money, they will not | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
want you. It is the wrong way to do it. We are going to have to leave it | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
there and wait till Friday. I can hardly wait. I have sleepless nights | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
ahead of me. Enjoy your lunch at the French Embassy. | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
Now, David Cameron said last year that we're all Thatcherites now. And | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
it turns out he really wasn't kidding. Because the BBC has | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
discovered that the socialist firebrand, working-class hero and | :23:28. | :23:29. | |
one-time scourge of the establishment, I speak of none other | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
than Arthur Scargill, former leader of the National Union of | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
Mineworkers, was something of a Thatcherite himself. That cannot be, | :23:37. | :23:45. | |
you say to me. The BBC's Inside Out programme has found legal documents | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
showing he was happy to use one of Thatcher's flagship policies, the | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
right to buy scheme, to try to purchase his council flat in | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
London's Barbican. The application was turned down because the flat | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
wasn't his primary residence. He says he was planning to buy it and | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
hand it over the NUM. His former union, which paid his rent until | :24:06. | :24:12. | |
2011, isn't exactly convinced. Well Arthur, worry not, because we've got | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
one valuable asset that you can get your hands on without charges of | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
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It's coming up to midday here, just take a look at Big Ben. That can | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
mean only one thing - yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way. | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
And that's not all, Nick Robinson is here. | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
I don't think we have to wait until Friday to hear what Ed Miliband is | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
going to say about the banks. It is hard to find anybody who is not in | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
favour of more competition in the banking sector. Ed Miliband will | :26:41. | :26:50. | |
talk about a sex -- cap and that specific figure of a 25% cap on | :26:51. | :26:59. | |
market share is not right. But the idea of a cap, the idea that banks | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
cannot get too big and if they do they have do sell off their | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
branches, sell them off not to the other competitors, but these new | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
competitor banks, Challenger banks, I am sorry. That is at the heart of | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
this new proposal by Ed Miliband. The government is likely to say | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
there has a lot been done to promote competition already, and there is a | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
legal obligation to bring about banking competition. It has not | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
happened yet. So you either say, it will happen, or as Ed Miliband will | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
say on Friday, no, more needs to be changed to force that to happen. And | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
this idea of a capital share is borrowed from the United States. 25% | :27:45. | :27:57. | |
of what? It won't be 25%. What then? That is what we will have to wait | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
until Friday for. Are you talking about the number of ranchers, we | :28:01. | :28:08. | |
will have to wait for that detail. I am not going to pre-empt his speech | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
on Friday. What we are addressing is there needs to be more competition. | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
Everybody agrees with that. There you go, that is the lead up to | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
Friday. He has worked it out and you will have it on Friday. After three | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
or four years now, there is still a lot more that needs to be done in | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
this sector. As his shadow Energy Secretary, I know it is another | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
sector where you can see reform is necessary and we need to do more. It | :28:42. | :28:50. | |
is a debate which means the means rather than the ending in politics. | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
All of the party said there is too much dominance of the big five. It | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
is smaller in Scotland. If you live in Scotland, it is probably a big | :29:00. | :29:06. | |
three, or a 2.5. Everyone agrees, the question is the mechanism. The | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
European Commission forced the banks to off-load certain branches. That | :29:12. | :29:22. | |
is why we got the TSB. People find it hard to sell the branches. So the | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
theory is often shared by politicians and regulating, but | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
doing it. What is going to come up in PMQs? I think banking. I think | :29:33. | :29:41. | |
about bonuses. David Cameron and George Osborne grand standard on | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
bonuses when they were in opposition and now the Labour Party is | :29:47. | :29:53. | |
grandstanding on bonuses. It is a large, open goal. Would you like to | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
criticise bankers? Yes. But when we are ministers, we do things | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
differently than what we said we would do. All three of the big | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
parties do things differently. I am glad you have noticed that. On that | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
very point. Caroline has forgotten who got us into the banking mess in | :30:17. | :30:24. | |
the first place. The bankers worldwide got us into this. | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
Politicians did not do enough at the bankers were allowed to get on with | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
things and cause those problems. Give it a rest. We are all on track. | :30:33. | :30:40. | |
Will the Prime Minister face any attacks from his own side 's? There | :30:41. | :30:48. | |
is the question on Europe. Yesterday he had a meeting on European policy. | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
Just as they were going to ask him questions about Europe, potentially | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
he said, this is Craig Oliver who will make a presentation on why we | :30:58. | :31:04. | |
should stay united until the next election and funnily enough, the | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
question of Europe never came up will stop but 100 Tory MPs signed a | :31:09. | :31:20. | |
motion saying we should renegotiate with Europe. | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
Let's go over to the House of Commons. | :31:24. | :31:34. | |
Launched last week, action on a sugar aimed to reduce the sugar | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
content of food and drinks by up to 20%, because of the epidemic in | :31:40. | :31:47. | |
obesity and type two diabetes. Voluntary arrangements with | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
manufacturers have not work. Will the Prime Minister agreed to meet | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
with a delegation of health experts to discuss this, and can we enlist | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
his support in the war on sugar by asking him to give up sugar and | :31:57. | :32:04. | |
sugary drinks for one day this weekques-mac I'm sure that last | :32:05. | :32:06. | |
proposal will have the strong support of Mrs Cameron, so I will | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
take that up if I possibly can. I commend the honourable gentleman for | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
raising this issue and for speaking out on the issues of diabetes and | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
obesity with such consistency, because they are important issues. | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
We are rolling out the NHS programme to identify although is at risk of | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
diabetes. Childhood obesity rates are falling, but there is more to be | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
done. I am happy to facilitate discussions between him and I am | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
right honourable friend the Health Secretary. We take this seriously, | :32:43. | :32:49. | |
and there is more to be done. Last week, I had the honour of | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
opening the new network rail regional operating centre at three | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
bridges in my constituency. Can my right honourable friend say | :32:57. | :33:06. | |
what investment this gov-mac is putting into the existing rail | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
network to help commuters as travellers as part of the long-term | :33:12. | :33:21. | |
economic planques-mac investing in infrastructure is a key part of our | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
long-term plan. We need to see major investment in the south-east, with | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
Thames Link, crossrail and east-west rail all delivering services, and | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
between 2015 and 2020, we are planning to invest over 66 alien in | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
roads, rail and local transport, and it is important to make the point | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
that that is three times as much as they proposed investment in HS2, so | :33:47. | :33:55. | |
that will not take the majority of the money as suggested. RBS are | :33:56. | :34:09. | |
expected to ask the Government to approve bonuses of multi-million | :34:10. | :34:19. | |
pound salaries. We will continue with our plans for RBS that have | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
seen bonuses come down by 85%, that have seen the bonus pool at one | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
third of the level that it was under Labour, and I can confirm today that | :34:28. | :34:34. | |
just as we have had limits on cash bonuses of ?2000 at RBS this year | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
and last year, we will do the same next year as well. I think we can | :34:38. | :34:44. | |
all agree with the general sentiment he expresses about bonuses, but | :34:45. | :34:47. | |
today I am asking a specific question. RBS are talking to parts | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
of the Government about the proposal to pay over 100% bonuses. He is the | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
Prime Minister. The taxpayer will foot the bill. Will he put a stop to | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
it right now by telling RBS to drop this idea? I will tell you exactly | :35:03. | :35:09. | |
what we are saying, and it is this. If there are any proposals to | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
increase the overall pay that is pay and bonus bill at RBS at the | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
investment bank, any proposals for that, we will veto it. What a pity | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
the past government never took such an approach. | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
However long it takes, the questions will be heard, and the answers will | :35:29. | :35:47. | |
be heard. Mr Ed Miliband. I am not asking about increases in pay and | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
bonuses. I am asking a simple question. A simple question about | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
the proposal expected to come forward from RBS which is to pay | :35:56. | :36:03. | |
more than 100% bonuses on pay. When RBS is making a loss, when they | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
themselves say they have been failing small businesses and these | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
kind of bonuses leads to risky one-way bets, this shouldn't be | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
allowed to happen. When ordinary families are facing a cost of living | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
crisis, surely he can say that for people earning ?1 million, a bonus | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
of ?1 million should be quite enough! If he is not asking me about | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
the overall pay and bonuses, why on earth isn't he? What I have said | :36:31. | :36:38. | |
very clearly is that the remuneration, the total pay bill at | :36:39. | :36:40. | |
that investment bank, must come down. But I have to say, to get a | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
lecture from the right honourable gentleman when we had from them the | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
biggest bust anywhere in the world with RBS, we had 125% mortgages at | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
Northern rock. We had all the embarrassment about Fred Goodwin. He | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
comes here every week to complain about a problem created by the | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
Labour Party. Last week it was betting, this week it is banking. He | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
rises up with all the moral authority of reverend flowers, | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
whereas the apology? For the mess they made of RBS in the first | :37:20. | :37:21. | |
place! In the last two years, my counsel | :37:22. | :37:39. | |
has created millions of pounds worth of inward investment, halved youth | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
unemployment and seen record numbers of new businesses starting up. | :37:43. | :37:49. | |
Sutton is also the home of the world Master Hospital. Given that life | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
sciences are an engine for innovation and growth, what support | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
will the government gave to realise Sutton's plan of a life science | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
cluster based around these world-renowned centres of | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
excellence? I think my friend makes a good point | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
about the strength of that Sutton house. Obviously we have the painted | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
box to attract life science businesses to Britain. We also have | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
the investment in apprenticeships, and that is important. And the | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
office of the life sciences which brings business and health together | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
to help bring life sciences jobs here, working with local enterprise | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
partnerships. I think there is a great opportunity for more | :38:28. | :38:34. | |
investment. The Mark Duggan inquest concluded last week with a verdict | :38:35. | :38:45. | |
of unlawful killing. -- lawful killing. Does the Prime Minister | :38:46. | :38:53. | |
accept it is now urgent that we we form the Independent Police | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
Complaints Commission? I commend what he said about the importance of | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
people respecting the outcome of the inquest. We had proper legal | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
processes, and we should respect their outcomes. He also knows there | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
is still an ongoing independent police investigation into that case, | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
and we should let it do its work. I am always repaired to look at | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
reforms of organisations like this. There was a big reform some time ago | :39:20. | :39:26. | |
to make the IPCC more independent. I am happy to look at arguments. In | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
the issue of PC Wallace, this was deeply shocking to see an e-mail | :39:32. | :39:38. | |
that purported to be someone who had witnessed an event, and you are told | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
it is a member of the public, and then it turns out it is a serving | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
police officer, that is deeply troubling. The vast majority of the | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
British police service do a magnificent job and put their lives | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
on the line for us they after day. I am happy to look at proposals for | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
how we can strengthen these arrangements. Will the Prime | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
Minister join me in congratulating the street crime commission in my | :40:04. | :40:14. | |
constituency, and can he see how with D2N2 money, they are creating a | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
expansion programme which will increase jobs by 20%, and their | :40:20. | :40:31. | |
expert s across the world show how it can be done. We have seen the | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
regional growth fund produce some real economic success stories, and | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
that is being combined with our long-term economic plan to encourage | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
businesses to take on employees, but in place the infrastructure, and as | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
he says quite importantly, to back exports in terms of Britain's | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
performance and get out there and sell to the world. Given that we | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
have recently heard reports that half a dozen terrorist suspects | :40:58. | :40:59. | |
could soon be released onto our streets, can the Prime Minister give | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
an assurance of public safety that it will not be compromised or put at | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
risk once the Government's latest experiment in terrorism controls | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
expires? I can assure her and the house that | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
we will always take every step necessary to keep the British public | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
safe. I think that the measures are working well. It is a myth to | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
pretend that control orders would be kept in place for ever. Many people | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
were taken off control orders during the existence of that set of | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
measures. All of the time, I listened very carefully to the head | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
of the Metropolitan police service and the heads of the Security | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
service who are involved in drawing up these measures, and who advises | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
on how to keep our country safe. In the first six months of last | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
year, Shrewsbury benefited from the highest number of is nurse start-ups | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
in our town's history. Now the unemployed claimant count is down to | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
2.5% in Shrewsbury. Will the Prime Minister join me in praising our | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
entrepreneurial spirit, and redouble Government efforts in the West | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
Midlands to help more shrews brief Ernst export? My honourable friend | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
is absolutely right. We are seeing an enterprise revolution in our | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
country again. 400,000 more businesses in existence today | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
compared with 2010. Add the point he makes about small businesses and | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
exports is important. If we can turn it the number of businesses | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
exporting from one in five to one in four, we would wipe out our trade | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
efforts it. I encourage him to do everything he can, with other | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
colleagues, to back Britain's entrepreneurs. | :42:44. | :42:51. | |
Mr Speaker... There are areas all over the country with planning | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
permission for houses where nothing is happening. Some of them being | :42:59. | :43:07. | |
hoarded by developers. I am in favour of giving powers to say to | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
developers that to hold land without developing it, use it or lose it. | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
The Prime Minister said that was not. Does he still believe it? We | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
have just had a demonstration of the grasp of maths that was involved in | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
the Treasury. No wonder we had banks collapsing and all the rest of it. I | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
would say that house-building is picking up. We are seeing a big | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
increase in housing starts, a big increase in housing completion. Why | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
I think is that his policy, as he kindly put it, is nuts, is that to | :43:42. | :43:49. | |
confiscate land from developers, they won't go ahead with the | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
building in the first place. This will put a freeze on building, | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
rather than getting on with it. The Prime Minister is incredibly | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
complacent. House completions are at their lowest level since 1924, and | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
I'm interested in what he says about the policy, because his own housing | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
minister says that the policy might make a contribution, and the Mayor | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
of London says, we should be able to have a use it or lose it clause. | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
Developers should be under no illusions that they can just sit on | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
their land and wait for prices to go up. So is the policy nuts, or is it | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
the right thing to do? What we need to keep going with is the policies | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
of this Government that are seeing house-building increase. Nearly | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
400,000 new homes delivered since 2010, housing starts in the last | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
quarter at their highest level for five years, 89% higher than the | :44:46. | :44:52. | |
trough in 2009 when he was sitting in the cabinet, a 16% increase in | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
housing starts in the last 12 months. But here is the question he | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
needs to answer. His shadow ministers go around opposing our | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
planning reforms even though they are important to get Britain | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
building, and time and again they are criticising proposals like help | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
to buy that are helping our fellow countrymen and women realise the | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
dream of home ownership. And here is one for him. If he cares about | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
house-building at home ownership, why not make those Labour council | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
get on with selling council houses to hard-working people? In Labour | :45:23. | :45:36. | |
councils they are building more houses ban in Tory councils. | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
I am still no clear at the end of this exchange about what he thinks | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
about the use it or lose it policy. He does not know what he thinks. | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
Here is the reality, he is not doing enough to close the gap between | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
supply and demand. The truth is, the number of social housing starts is | :45:57. | :46:04. | |
down, rents are rising. Does he accept Britain is building 100,000 | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
fewer homes than we need to meet the man is? Of course we need to build | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
new homes and that is why we have reformed the planning system. That | :46:15. | :46:21. | |
is why we have Help to Buy, which they oppose. What we are seeing, he | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
is now having to jump around all over the place. It started off with | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
the deficit reduction is not going to work. He cannot make that | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
argument. Then it was, we needed to land be, but he cannot make that | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
argument. Then it was the cost of living but yesterday we saw | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
inflation fall by 2%. What we see is a government with a long, economic | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
plan and an opposition that does not have a clue. Order, order. Can I | :46:50. | :47:02. | |
welcome the government commitment to make sure Mike constituency benefits | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
from shale gas. But can the government do more and the | :47:09. | :47:18. | |
scientific community to do more to reassure the worries people have | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
about the technology and environmental impact? He is right to | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
raise this and make the remarks he does. Shale gas has potential for | :47:27. | :47:34. | |
the country. If we recovered 7% of the shares it would provide us with | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
gas in this country for 30 years. But we need to do a better job in | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
explaining and working with communities about the benefits and | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
talking frankly about the process. There are a huge amount of myths put | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
around to frighten people. We can see in the United States it can be | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
extract could safely and cleanly, affecting affect live and low-cost | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
green energy for homes and businesses and make our country more | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
competitive. As we sit here, there are six British nationals, including | :48:07. | :48:17. | |
a former paratrooper languishing in prison in a prison because they were | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
taken prisoner off a ship. Can the Prime Minister discussed this issue | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
to see if we can get these former paratroopers and released from | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
prison? I know how important this issue is and I raised it personally | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
with the Indian government ministers when I was in India. I have | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
discussed it with the Foreign Secretary and I will go on to make | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
sure we can do and we can. We will arrange a meeting. Investing in | :48:46. | :48:58. | |
research and innovation is essential for our economic future. Does the | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
Prime Minister agreed that the Open University's research project to | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
improve is one example on how Milton Keynes is leading the way in | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
securing long-term economic plan? I visited the opening -- Open | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
University at Milton Keynes. It is leading a very important export | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
drive in terms of our universities. I congratulate Milton Keynes for the | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
representation. There are many opportunities for Milton Keynes, not | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
least provided by HS2 as well and I look forward to discussing it with | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
him in the future. Constituencies tell me they cannot afford food, | :49:40. | :49:46. | |
cannot keep warm or put petrol in the car to go to work. Will the | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
Prime Minister finally accept the cost of living is stretching | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
families to breaking point? Will he accept we are still recovering from | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
the great recession that took ?3000 out of a typical income. But we are | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
seeing more people in work, including in Wales, real wages | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
starting to rise. Yes it is difficult, yes it is hard work, but | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
the economy is growing and we want the recovery for everyone in the | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
country. The number of people in Herefordshire in receipt of | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
job-seeker's allowance fell 31% between November 2012 and November | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
2013. Youth unemployment fell by 40%. Does the Prime Minister share | :50:32. | :50:39. | |
my view the government's long-term plan is already giving employers the | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
confidence to get hiring again? I am grateful for what he says. The key | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
part of the long-term economic plan is to see a growing number of people | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
in work in the country. We see 1.2 million more people in work in the | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
West Midlands. Employment has risen by 60,000 since the election. There | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
is still further to go, particularly in the West Midlands where we need | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
to get young people back to work but the figures in his constituency are | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
very encouraging. Instead of ordering a civil servant to | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
investigate, why doesn't he just ask the Lords Geoffrey Howe and Leon | :51:21. | :51:29. | |
Britton on whether they agreed with Margaret Thatcher and if it had | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
something to do with the Westlands helicopter deal? I think he is | :51:33. | :51:41. | |
looking at a conspiracy Theatre. It is important we get to the bottom of | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
what happened. He will establish this urgently and establish the | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
facts. I want this process to be fast and find out the truth and the | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
findings will be made public. I will never forget my own visit to the | :51:56. | :52:02. | |
Golden Temple, it is one of the most beautiful places on this planet and | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
what happened 30 years ago led to a tragic loss of life. It is a source | :52:07. | :52:13. | |
of deep pain to Sikhs everywhere. I completely understand the concerns | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
of these papers raise. Let's wait for the outcome of the review. I | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
don't want to prejudge the outcome, but so far it has not given any | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
evidence to contradict the insistence by senior Indian army | :52:27. | :52:33. | |
commanders responsible at the time, that the responsibility for this was | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
planned and carried out by the Indian army. It is important to do | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
that, but we do need an enquiry. On the 30th of January I will be | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
holding a skills flair for 70 businesses and training | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
organisations targeting young people with job opportunities. If Carlisle | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
is to prosper it needs a skilled workforce. Will the Prime Minister | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
give his support to this event and confirm he will remain committed to | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
training and upscaling the young so they benefit personally and local | :53:06. | :53:14. | |
and national businesses succeed? I commend my honourable friend for | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
what he is carrying out in Carlisle. These jobs fairs and skills fairs | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
and encouraging young people to think about apprenticeships and | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
encourage people to train is some of the most important things we can do. | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
We have 1.5 million apprenticeships started since the election -- | :53:31. | :53:37. | |
election. We must keep up this good work. The Prime Minister will be | :53:38. | :53:46. | |
aware of the grave concern among British Sikhs about the reports in | :53:47. | :53:54. | |
recent days of UK involvement to storm the Golden Temple. Those | :53:55. | :54:01. | |
events resulted in the death of thousands of innocent Sikhs and this | :54:02. | :54:09. | |
has left lasting grief and pain in the Seca community here in the UK | :54:10. | :54:12. | |
and around the world. It is an open wound which will not heal until the | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
truth is told. Can I ask him on the process he has set up, he will | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
ensure there is full disclosure of all government papers and | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
information from that time. And there is also a proper statement in | :54:29. | :54:31. | |
this house where ministers can be questioned about this? Can I agree | :54:32. | :54:38. | |
with him about the deep scars this event left and the strong feelings | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
that exist to this day. Anyone who visits the Golden Temple and sees | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
what an extraordinary place of peace and tranquillity it is, knows how | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
powerful this point is. We are going to make sure this enquiry is held | :54:54. | :54:56. | |
properly. Its findings will be made public. In the end, I don't think | :54:57. | :55:04. | |
anyone should take away the responsibility for these events, | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
with the people who are properly responsible for them. I am sure the | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
enquiry will find that. In terms of holding a statement and revealing | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
this information to the House, I think the statement might be the | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
right approach. Come Prime Minister speak to his colleagues about the | :55:24. | :55:30. | |
financial incentives for fracking be passed to parishes so those | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
communities can choose how the money is spent rather than having to | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
compete with district and county councils with other priorities? What | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
we have set out is the overall level of financial support, so 100 hours | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
and pounds when a well is Doug. And up to ?1 million because of the | :55:51. | :55:57. | |
amount of revenue. And the business rates which could have a significant | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
effect on local government finance. The point she makes is how do you | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
divide batter between parishes, districts and counties and | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
individual payments to households who might be inconvenienced. We | :56:12. | :56:14. | |
should look at local options and make sure parishes and individual | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
people will benefit. It is something colleagues will want to discuss so | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
we can get this right and help this industry to take off. I am not sure | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
if members are aware that anyone joining the police force will have | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
to pay ?1000 for a certificate before they even fill in the | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
application form. A ?1000 tax or make it harder for the police to | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
look like the community it serves and I represent. It will put off | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
young people from poorer backgrounds and ethnic minorities from joining | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
the police. We know the Prime Minister at Myers characters like | :56:52. | :57:02. | |
Harry Flashman. But Army commissions were abolished in 1871, why is it | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
being introduced to the police in the 21st century? What we are trying | :57:07. | :57:12. | |
to do through the College of policing is to even further | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
professionalise this vital profession but I will make sure the | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
Home Secretary contacts her about this issue. What is the point of | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
anyone clinging onto a plan B when plan a is so obviously working? It | :57:27. | :57:40. | |
is not just plan B we're not hearing about, they have stopped talking | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
about the cost of living. They have stopped about how the deficit would | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
not dumbed down. They told us growth would never come, and we would lose | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
a million jobs rather than gain a million jobs. The biggest thing of | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
all is the silence of the Shadow Chancellor. They have got this big | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
debate today on banking, but he wasn't allowed on the radio, he | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
won't be speaking in the House of Commons. They have a novel idea, you | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
hide your Shadow Chancellor by leaving him on the front bench! The | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
Prime Minister has previously shown considerable leadership in | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
apologising to victims of state violence in Northern Ireland. | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
Unfortunately those victims of paramilitary violence have not had | :58:33. | :58:35. | |
access to such apologies. Does the Prime Minister agree the proposals | :58:36. | :58:42. | |
of dealing with the past offer the best opportunity for victims and | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
survivors to receive truth and justice? Will he commit, as Prime | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
Minister, to backing those proposals, help why cooperating and | :58:51. | :58:55. | |
funding those proposals? I think there is a lot of merit in the Dr | :58:56. | :59:06. | |
Haass proposals. Peter Robinson, the first Minister of Northern Ireland, | :59:07. | :59:09. | |
described them as providing the architecture for future agreement | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
and discussion. I hope we can take his work, including the difficult | :59:14. | :59:19. | |
work done on the past and take that forward with all sides trying to | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
agree. I am not sure if the Prime Minister is a follower of benefit | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
Street on Channel four. But there is a street like this in every | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
constituency. Does he agree with me that as part of our long-term | :59:33. | :59:37. | |
economic plans and make sure the benefits system is therefore people | :59:38. | :59:42. | |
who need it. It is not a lifestyle choice and people don't get trapped | :59:43. | :59:47. | |
in it? I have only managed to catch a small amount of this programme but | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
it rings home the point that we need a welfare system that is tailored to | :59:52. | :59:56. | |
make sure work always pays. But there is a second point that many | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
people in our country have multiple disadvantages and problems where | :00:02. | :00:04. | |
they need help to get out of poverty and benefit dependency. It is not | :00:05. | :00:10. | |
just about tailoring a benefit system to make it pay, but also | :00:11. | :00:16. | |
change the things that keep them out of work and earning a decent living. | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
May I say to the Prime Minister as someone who strongly supports shale | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
gas extraction by fracking, that however well-intentioned his current | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
package will not assuage local communities who are on a cross-party | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
basis in Lancashire treated his latest offers us derisory. Why can't | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
he sit down with the cross-party Local Government Association and | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
negotiate with them on the proposal, as in other countries, for 10% of | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
revenues to be shared with local communities? I thought the proposals | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
from some members would be 10% of profits. But I say 1% of revenues, | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
which start running the moment the show comes out of the ground, maybe | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
a better offer. I am happy to sit down with anybody to discuss this | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
because shale is important to our country. Having been to see on | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
Monday, the oil platforms that are already there on the | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire border, it is worth making the point | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
those went ahead without the community benefits we are | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
promising. ?100,000 when the well is done, before any gas has reached the | :01:32. | :01:39. | |
surface. 1% of revenues which could be seven or ?10 million for a | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
fracking well. And business rates which for a set of wells could be ?2 | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
million for a local authority. Members should think about how much | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
council tax is a small district authority raises and consider how | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
much 1.7 up to ?2 million into that counsel, what a difference that | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
could make. By all means, let's talk about the facts and figures, but we | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
need to persuade people this can go ahead without the environmental | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
damage and problems people are worried about. The leader of the | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
opposition has said what Francois Hollande is doing in France, I want | :02:19. | :02:30. | |
to do in Britain. Given recent events across the | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
Channel, does my right honourable friend agree this is at odds with | :02:35. | :02:43. | |
our long, economic plan? I didn't catch all of residence Hollands's | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
press conference because I was in front of the liaison committee. But | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
the French proposals now are to cut spending in order to put taxes, in | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
order to make the economy more competitive. Now, perhaps the Shadow | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
Chancellor in his new, silent form will want to consider some of these | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
ideas and recognise this revolution of making business more competitive | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
and trying to win in the global race, that is a proper plan for the | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
economy. Order, order. So, the new look, subdued Prime | :03:17. | :03:30. | |
Minister's Questions lasted all of one week, last week. He chose first | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
of all to go on bankers bonuses, Ed Miliband. It is something we | :03:38. | :03:45. | |
discussed in the run-up to PMQs. It will be a theme for Labour strongly | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
this week. And then he moved on to the need to build more houses. And | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
about the need to change the planning rules and be tougher on | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
those builders who have land but are not building on it. Two issues very | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
close to his heart and labour's current narrative. Whether he scored | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
is something we will discuss in a moment. First of all, what did you | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
think? Viewers verdict was that it was a win for David Cameron, | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
although some of you felt that Ed Miliband did pick the right | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
subjects. On Twitter, Alex Dismore said that the trouble with Ed | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
Miliband's new approach is he is vulnerable to Cameron's school bully | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
approach. Jim Broughton says that last week's Khan didn't last very | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
long. Shameful the parliament was back to loud heckling. But Ian | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
Jordan in Tamworth says a resounding victory for Ed Miliband today. His | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
plans for banking and banking bonuses are pragmatic, populist | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
policies that resonate with voters who are seeing no improvement in | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
their day-to-day spending and economic position. And this tweet | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
from Chris Bryant MP, who we all know. The staged shouting, accusing | :05:08. | :05:15. | |
the Tories, is just puerile. And from Edward Buxton, Ed Miliband | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
seemed thrown by the reaction of Tory backbenchers today, low was | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
last week's trews carried on by Labour but not the Tories? Yes! I | :05:24. | :05:32. | |
like that word, puerile. And he didn't get any attack from | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
his own side, although he has been under pressure. On pay and bonuses, | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
particularly in RBS where the state owns 80%. Ed Miliband wants to say, | :05:45. | :05:54. | |
no bonus of more than 100% of salary, which is the new EU rule, | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
although it doesn't come in until next year and therefore legally | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
doesn't affect this year. But the Prime Minister is saying that the | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
overall pay and bonuses pot at RBS cannot be increased. If it is, we | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
will veto any increase, and no cash bonus for anybody could be bigger | :06:14. | :06:21. | |
than ?2000. That is what he said, and at first it looked like an | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
announcement, and it wrong-footed people. But I don't think he made | :06:24. | :06:31. | |
any concession. There is no doubt he had a good Prime Minister's | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
Questions, and although Ed Miliband was asking the right questions, he | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
looked a bit glum and the Tories looked quite cheerful. But I don't | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
think the Brymon is to announce anything new at all. The status quo | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
is the Government says the bonus and papal can't get bigger, -- the pay | :06:51. | :07:07. | |
pool can't get bigger, and the reason for that is that the bank is | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
shrinking. So it is quite possible, and this is quite often true of | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
Prime Minister's Questions, people ask who one, -- people ask who won, | :07:17. | :07:25. | |
and the answer is both of them. As you say, the bonuses won't be the | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
ones the bankers are about to get now, they are talking about bonuses | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
in a year's time that would require shareholder approval at the next | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
AGM. He is able to say and carry on saying that it is not applying, but | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
again the Prime Minister is able to say there is less money being spent | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
on total remuneration and a restriction on cash bonuses, because | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
bonuses are being paid in shares. What is wrong with limiting bonuses | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
to 2000 in cash, and anything else has to be shares? At the end of the | :08:01. | :08:09. | |
day, it is still a fantastic package for anyone to receive, for the | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
people lucky enough to be in a position to receive it. The 80% | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
shareholder of the British people. Is it right or fair that a bank that | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
still has to prove itself in terms of its performance should be going | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
for the absolute they could possibly get under the new EU rules that are | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
coming in, and we don't think that is right. When we sat here as we | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
first heard what David Cameron said, I thought, what has he actually | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
said? Is EV towing any bonuses, but were we got to the next answer, he | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
was making it clearer that it was the total overall budget that would | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
need to keep within them below. I think on that particular issue, | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
there is still a lot that the Brymon is to has to answer. -- that the | :08:57. | :09:06. | |
Prime Minister is to answer. But what is wrong getting bonuses that | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
are shares in the bank, because you are aligning the interests of the | :09:09. | :09:19. | |
taxpayer with the interest of the shareholders. What is wrong with | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
both having the same interest? The problem is here that bonuses are | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
meant to be, in banking or anywhere else, based on performance, but they | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
also should be done in a way that doesn't lead to some of the extremes | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
we have seen in the past. But even if it is a share option, the | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
decision to give the bonus in the first place is about performance, | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
and we do not believe that for RBS to seek the absolute they could give | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
is the right way forward, for the reasons outlined. We want the share | :09:53. | :09:59. | |
price to rise. Correct? They should be doing that anyway. That is their | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
job. The mortgage rises, the more we will get our money back. We might | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
even make a profit. So why not incentivise the bankers to get that | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
share price rising? To be honest, Andrew, because these people are | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
being paid good salaries to start with. We are not against bonuses, | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
and we are not saying it shouldn't be this package. What we are saying | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
is we don't think it is right that given that we are the major | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
shareholders, and there is still a lot that RBS has to prove, and this | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
is about paying for performance, don't forget, that we should concede | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
to a request to go to the highest it can actually go to. They should be | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
doing a decent job to make sure that the share price is good in the first | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
place. Most people understand the his nurses have incentives people to | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
work hard. Can I ask you on the housing issue. | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
Can I just briefly come back on that? We had an extraordinary | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
statement here by shadow minister saying that the taxpayer's interest | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
takes second place to having a cheap eligible hit and saying no to | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
bonuses. No, I didn't! You questioned Caroline diligently and | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
made it clear that the taxpayers' interest was at stake here, but she | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
said, no, we've got to have a cap. She is not interested in the resale | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
value of RBS. That is a complete misrepresentation. We cannot get | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
into a situation, in banking or energy or other areas, where people | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
are paid good salaries for what they do, and I recognise that in terms of | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
getting quality. Can I please answer? Can I please answer? She | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
does have a point to answer. People are paid really good salaries in | :11:50. | :12:06. | |
this profession... PHONE SINGS. Is that? I do apologise. | :12:07. | :12:14. | |
People have good access to salaries, and part of their opportunity to | :12:15. | :12:21. | |
earn their salary should be getting the best we can for taxpayers, and | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
that is what is important. We will leave it there, and it means I don't | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
have time to ask you a tough question about hiding. The Prime | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
Minister boasting 400,000 new homes since he came to power, an average | :12:36. | :12:44. | |
of 120,000 per year. The end of PMQs was cuddly? I said last week I | :12:45. | :12:53. | |
thought it was possible that Ed Miller band and David Cameron had | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
talked about it. -- Ed Miliband. It seemed as though they had agreed to | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
calm it down, but today, the Prime Minister was taunting them for | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
keeping it quiet. Ed Miliband is trying a lower key performance. It | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
depends where you sit. If you are in the gallery, I think people would | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
agree that the Tories will be thinking, our boy gave him a bit of | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
a pasting. But then people will think, reasonable questions, asked | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
reasonably, that is what we want from our leaders. We have to move | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
on, because we have something interesting to talk about! What was | :13:34. | :13:42. | |
that noise that it made? It was in fact fat bottomed girls by Queen. I | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
wish you hadn't asked. Now, do you find British politics | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
boring? Don't all shout at once! Well, despair not, because we need | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
look no further than across the Channel for a spot of sport. It may | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
have escaped your notice, but the President of France, Monsieur | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
Hollande, is creating a bit of a stir. Not content with carrying out | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
more economic U-turns than I've had foie gras, Monsieur Hollande, it | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
appears, has been busy between the sheets. It's been reported widely, | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
and not denied, that the President is having an affair with a | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
41-year-old actress. It is probably in the French Constitution that the | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
President have do that. His official companion, Valerie Trierweiler, is | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
in hospital and said to be suffering from a "severe case of the blues". | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
For those of you not up to speed on the whole affair, we turn to our | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
friends from Taiwanese TV for an update. | :14:32. | :15:14. | |
I think they made that better! Needless to say yesterday afternoon | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
the eyes of the World's media focused intently on the Elysee | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
Palace in Paris, where Monsieur Hollande was holding a long-awaited | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
press conference. It turned out to be more of a speech. Would 600 | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
French journalists get to the truth? Let's see. | :15:31. | :15:39. | |
TRANSLATION: Is Valerie Trierweiler still the first lady of France? | :15:40. | :15:49. | |
Everybody in their private life goes through difficult periods. But | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
private matters should be dealt with privately. That is the same for | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
everyone concerned. So this is not the place all the time to discuss | :16:01. | :16:01. | |
it. Well, we're joined now from Paris by | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
the French political commentator Agnes Poirier. Welcome back to the | :16:08. | :16:16. | |
show. This presidential press corps that was all there. Do they work for | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
the government, or other independent journalists? I know. I have been | :16:21. | :16:28. | |
hearing this since yesterday, and my British journalist friends feel | :16:29. | :16:36. | |
quite superior. And why not! Andrew, or even Jeremy Paxman, I don't see | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
you asking the Queen 12 times the same question. The head of state is | :16:43. | :16:52. | |
the Prime Minister, and intruding on people's privacy is an alien concept | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
for us. You have your culture, we have ours. So tell me, by what | :16:59. | :17:06. | |
yardstick... And on the Queen issue, that is a total non sequitur. If she | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
was having an affair with an actor, we would be chasing her, be in no | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
doubt about that! You can see how Prince Charles and Princess Diana | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
were chased. The Queen is the head of state. You wouldn't chase her. | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
But unlike the Queen, he is an elected politician, and he runs the | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
country, which the Queen doesn't. By what yardstick does a president who | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
is running around Paris on a motorcycle having an affair in a | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
flat owned by the Corsican Mafia and having the first lady at taxpayers | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
expense who is no longer the first lady, by what yardstick is that not | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
a matter of public interest? First of all, on the Corsican Mafia, it is | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
not the case, so I think we should stick to the facts. I think it is a | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
fair point, and I think we should accept that one, which is what is | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
the status of the first partner, the French first lady? It is very much | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
an American concept, and she doesn't have any status in France. That is | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
obviously a real problem. I think the problem is that we got to know | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
her. President Hollande introduced her to us, and it is now a tricky | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
situation. Perhaps she should have remained, like Mr Merkel, doing her | :18:36. | :18:46. | |
job in the shadows. That is where the mistake was made. It is one that | :18:47. | :18:56. | |
I'm sure she bitterly regrets. It is not just we know who she is, we | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
always know who she is, she has official offices paid for by the tax | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
payer, she has five officials paid for by the taxpayer. She is allowed | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
to use government and private jets and is allowed to use government, | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
official residences. She is the first lady, so who is she? | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
Precisely, you are right, but she could also be in the shadow. She | :19:26. | :19:33. | |
could be alone in the Elysee Palace, and that would easier for | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
her. It definitely must have been lonely. Who is he going to take to | :19:39. | :19:48. | |
Washington? Well, he is going to tell us in the next few days. He has | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
three weeks to think about it. If I were him I would go alone. I think | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
that is very good advice. But how will the first lady feel if he | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
leaves her behind? Well, you know, that is life. It is only a matter | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
for them to resolve. It is of no concern of yours or your French | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
colleagues that the man who has the nuclear trigger in his fingers, is | :20:20. | :20:27. | |
running around on a motorbike at night, that does not worry you? It | :20:28. | :20:38. | |
does not worry me at all. Really? We are definitely separated by more | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
than 20 miles. Is his U turn going to work on economic policy? That is | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
the only thing I am happy you asking about. Yesterday he talked to people | :20:48. | :20:59. | |
for over two years and only three minutes were dedicated to his | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
personal affairs. I am willing to be harsh on President Hollands on his | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
economic holidays but not on his private life. Do we have much time | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
to talk about his policies? You say you are willing to be harsh, but I | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
watched the press conference, there wasn't a tough question on his U | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
turn noneconomic policies from your colleagues, not one? It depends how | :21:26. | :21:33. | |
you look at it. Did you read the press today, a lot of people were | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
asking questions. What is he really proposing? Is it a U turn, as you | :21:39. | :21:46. | |
say. He has always been a social democrat and not much of a | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
socialist. David Cameron is so eager to see it from his French partners. | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
Very well, thank you very much for joining us from Paris. Some people | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
think the French are right and we are wrong. Some people think we are | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
too intrusive as a media and we ought two robust as a media. And the | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
French, as we have just seen their position, it is different on both | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
and that would be a more mature way of behaving? We have been around | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
long enough to know that if this had happened 15 or 20 years ago the | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
newspaper and the media would have been talking about resignation. But | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
that does not come into it. Clearly they want to know about the private | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
lives of public people, not just politicians. I did not Askew that. | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
Who handles things better, the British press or the French press? | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
The French have always handled things differently. We know it is | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
different, I was asking who handles it better? It is hard if you are the | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
President or the Prime Minister. If you are having an affair and you are | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
presenting yourself married to somebody else, to get away with | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
that, to be honest. I can think of other intrusions into privacy I | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
would battle more for in terms of the rights of the individual. Let's | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
not forget, his present wife was his mistress from his first. It is a | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
very French thing that goes on. They are not married, but she is a fact | :23:29. | :23:40. | |
Diddley his wife. It is said, if you marry your mistress, you have | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
created a vacancy. Should we allow former drug addicts | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
and drunks to become magistrates? The bold suggestion that we should | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
has come from The Policy Exchange think tank. It argues that it is | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
time to re-look at the way magistrates work and their | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
background so that we can breathe new life into the system. In this | :24:01. | :24:01. | |
week's Soapbox, their head of Crime week's Soapbox, their head of Crime | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
Justice explains why. Nine out of ten criminal cases are | :24:04. | :24:20. | |
dealt with by volunteer magistrates. You might think they should be | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
representative of the population. Sadly, they are not. It is | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
overwhelmingly white, middle-class and old. In fact, over half of all | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
magistrates are over the age of 60 and it is time for that to change. | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
People that sit here should not be completely divorced from those who | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
find themselves in the dock. That means changing the rules and the | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
culture, so reformed offenders, including Addicks, who have | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
successfully recovered are encouraged to apply. At the moment, | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
anybody who is convicted of a criminal offence, including some | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
minor motoring offences is effectively barred from doing so. We | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
believe some ex-offenders would be well suited to dealing with the | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
complex issues of dealing with those who suffer from addictions or mental | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
problems. Not necessarily in a setup like this but in specialised, | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
problem-solving courts back and take a more specialising approach. In the | :25:23. | :25:29. | |
US, special courts and sobriety courts have cut costs of justice. It | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
is time to limit the term and magistrate can serve to ten years | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
rather than automatically retiring at 70. This will allow younger | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
people to come in and shake things up. Magistrates were created 650 | :25:43. | :25:54. | |
years ago and they have always been the pillars of our communities. But | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
in the modern world, whether you are allowed to become one has got to be | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
more fun if you move in the same social circle as other magistrates. | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
We have got to breathe more life into the system so we can cut | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
reoffending and stop people coming back to places like this. | :26:13. | :26:22. | |
Max Chambers is here. Do you have a problem with older magistrates | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
because some people say they have the experience of life to do the | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
job? We have to recognise there is an issue. In the West Midlands there | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
are 4500 magistrate but only 118 of them are below the age of 40. When | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
you think of the people they are dealing with they are invariably | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
younger men and there is a disconnect. So having a more diverse | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
magistrate, a more balanced profile and a wider set of experiences will | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
help. How would you get more young people to become magistrate? | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
Magistrates at the moment are appointed by committees of | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
magistrates. So they are just recruiting like-minded people, how | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
do you break that? We are calling for a proactive policy saying, who | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
do we want to be presiding over these cases and for what affect? In | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
other parts of the world they are using previous offenders and Addicks | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
and we think it should be a proactive policy that magistrates | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
should be pursuing. The interesting idea is to allow former criminals, | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
not just people who have committed minor offences, because they would | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
have some empathy. You think it would ring down reoffending, what | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
would be the point? Lots of former drug addicts have a passion for | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
helping fellow addicts recover and get clean. They understand | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
Temptations, the mindset and the excuses people can make. We think | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
they would be well placed to support people and help themselves out. | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
Would you go for that? The reformed criminals? At the moment if you have | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
a spent conviction you can be considered to be a magistrate. It | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
should be considered, the seriousness of the offence, how long | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
ago it was. Max raises a good point on diversity, they of volunteers and | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
unpaid. A lot of young people are still trying to earn their money and | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
that is why you get a lot of people who are older. We will put you out | :28:29. | :28:35. | |
of your misery on Guess the year. 1933. Caroline, hit the red button. | :28:36. | :28:47. | |
Jenny Johnson. That is it, the 1pm news is starting on BBC One. I will | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
be back at noon. Danny Finkelstein will be here, but | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
I won't I am afraid. I am off! | :28:56. | :29:01. |