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HARDtalk is on the road in southern Yemen amid worrying signs that Al- | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
Qaeda is spreading its influence in one of the most strategically vital | :00:29. | :00:39. | |
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corners of the Middle East. Significant territory is now in Al- | :00:41. | :00:51. | |
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Qaeda's hands. Is Yemes. Is Yeme become one of the world's most | :00:54. | :01:04. | |
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Aden, a port city. It was ruled by British colonialist until the 1960s. | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
Since 1990, the second city has been a part of a united Yemeni | :01:19. | :01:27. | |
Republic. The calm is deceptive. Beyond the confines of the city, a | :01:27. | :01:34. | |
violent insurgency is gaining ground. I am on the main road | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
heading due east. There are reports of continuing | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
fighting between government forces and Islamist fighters in the | :01:43. | :01:53. | |
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capital. Can we get there? Is the government really in control of its | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
own territory? No more than 15 kilometres away, we | :02:04. | :02:14. | |
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We were ordered out of our vehicle. The local commander told us we | :02:26. | :02:36. | |
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Despite the road blocks and the sporadic fighting, we were able to | :02:42. | :02:52. | |
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get these pictures of the situation The Yemeni military attacks have | :02:59. | :03:09. | |
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In the past, the insurgency has spread across south-east Yemen. | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
With the extraordinary weakness of the central government, militant | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
fighters have extended their territory to within 150 kilometres | :03:46. | :03:53. | |
of the capital. Al-Qaeda have become the most potent offshoot of | :03:53. | :04:03. | |
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You have to do what you have to do. An American born militant was | :04:14. | :04:24. | |
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assassinated. But his demise did little to halt the insurgency. Here | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
is why. The state has crumbled in the face of a people powered | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
uprising inspired by the Arab Spring. For months, the government | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
has been leaderless and riddled with bitter divisions. The | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
President has finally relinquished his grip on the country but his | :04:45. | :04:55. | |
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family and allies still hold many In the past, the President used the | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
Al-Qaeda threats as a means to garner Western support. Many | :05:04. | :05:14. | |
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believe the same game is being played. This man is a tribal leader | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
with family ties to Al-Qaeda insurgents. He and his entourage | :05:23. | :05:33. | |
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have been involved in at its to The Yemen government says it is | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
fighting a war against and cried out. If it is a war, whose side are | :05:49. | :05:59. | |
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The reason I ask you about Al-Qaeda is because you do have closer links | :06:25. | :06:35. | |
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with people who were in and are in You are also linked by family to an | :06:46. | :06:55. | |
important figure in Al-Qaeda today. Many people believe you have | :06:55. | :07:05. | |
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sympathies with these people. Do What we know about the situation is | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
that for years the US have offered military support to the President, | :07:38. | :07:48. | |
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and right now flying drones are being used to kill Al-Qaeda targets. | :07:56. | :08:06. | |
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What do you think of that US In your heart, do you believe there | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
can be peace and freedom in this country as long as there are a | :08:50. | :09:00. | |
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significant number of militants Do you believe Al-Qaeda in Yemen | :09:39. | :09:49. | |
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today are getting stronger or The Al-Qaeda insurgency has | :10:13. | :10:23. | |
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generated a new humanitarian crisis in the Arab world's poorest country. | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
In Aden, only emergency relief is keeping a wave of displaced people | :10:26. | :10:36. | |
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alive. The Yemeni state is failing many of its people. None more so | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
than the almost 200,000 who have been forced to flee continued | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
fighting between Islamists, Al- Qaeda linked forces and government | :10:43. | :10:53. | |
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troops. It would be tough for any country to deal with such an influx | :10:59. | :11:09. | |
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but for Yemen it is proving almost impossible. This place is now home | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
to more than 1,000 displaced people. The UN refugee agency is doing what | :11:17. | :11:25. | |
they can but meagre resources are being stretched to breaking-point. | :11:25. | :11:35. | |
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Refugees like this man and his family feel trapped. | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
What were your feelings when you realised you had to leave your | :11:40. | :11:50. | |
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As the war came closer to your home, What has it been like for you in | :12:21. | :12:31. | |
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the last few months, living as a You have seven children. You are | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
living in difficult conditions in a school which is not designed to be | :12:45. | :12:54. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 58 seconds | :12:55. | :13:53. | |
a place for families and refugees. It sounds like you are very | :13:53. | :14:01. | |
disappointed in your own national security forces. You do not feel | :14:01. | :14:11. | |
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they defended your village or your Visitors to the UN refugee agency | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
compound in Aden must pass through exhaustive security. Defences are | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
being reinforced. Yemen desperately needs outside help but delivering | :14:38. | :14:47. | |
it is a hazardous business. Explain where we are right now. We are | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
outside the UN office in Aden from where we run our operations in the | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
south of the country. That includes the operations of the new arrivals | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
from the Horn of Africa, displaced people, and any other activity | :15:00. | :15:10. | |
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which is related to displacement in the south. We are outside the UN | :15:14. | :15:22. | |
headquarters in Aden. Why does it look like a fortress? Because we | :15:22. | :15:28. | |
are not working in a normal environment. It is very challenging. | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
The security situation is difficult. It is our responsibility... | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
Personally it is my responsibility to ensure minimal security and | :15:36. | :15:46. | |
safety standards for my colleagues. Your job is to reach out to people | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
and offer humanitarian assistance to some of the most wretched people | :15:49. | :15:58. | |
in this country. The bunker mentality, it seems to work against | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
what you are trying to do. That is an important point that you make. | :16:04. | :16:13. | |
Having said that, our job is to work with people. We co-ordinate | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
activities from these offices. Every day, my colleagues are out | :16:21. | :16:28. | |
there in the refugee camps. They are at the settlements. From this | :16:28. | :16:36. | |
location, our job is to co-ordinate the activities. This is part of our | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
work when we are working in a situation where you have several | :16:39. | :16:46. | |
conflicts going on. Access is an issue. I was like to communicate to | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
the leadership of this country at all levels to allow us and to | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
provide all possible access for humanitarian work to be done. | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
saying that, are you suggesting that the Yemen government is not | :16:57. | :17:04. | |
offering full co-operation? They have been co-operative with the UN | :17:04. | :17:14. | |
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and the international community but they have their own challenges. It | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
is not a secret. The country has been going through several | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
conflicts. It has made things difficult for the government to | :17:22. | :17:29. | |
facilitate the work of the international community. I suspect | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
you are trying to be diplomatic. You are saying this is a failing | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
state. I would not go that far. you have to if it is impossible for | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
you and your workers to reach some of the people because it is too | :17:42. | :17:51. | |
dangerous, the insurgency is too strong and the roads are too unsafe. | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
Despite all those difficulties, we are able to reach most of the | :17:54. | :18:04. | |
people who are in need. The bigger challenge at present for us is the | :18:04. | :18:14. | |
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resources. Yemen is going through a serious humanitarian crisis. The | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
world attention is almost... This crisis is being overlooked and | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
ignored. The question is, why? The answer is that the world attention | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
is going to the political issues and not to the humanitarian issues. | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
The fallout that the political crisis has created for this | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
humanitarian situation... We are concerned that we will see a new | :18:37. | :18:47. | |
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Somalia in the making. A new Somalia? In humanitarian terms. | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
you saying to me that the sort of total breakdown in a state, in a | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
society that we have seen in Somalia could be visited upon | :18:57. | :19:05. | |
Yemen? If Yemen is not helped by the international community at this | :19:05. | :19:15. | |
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Perhaps comparisons with Somalia are inevitable. After all, Yemen | :19:25. | :19:35. | |
lies just across the Gulf of Aden. Yemen's strategic value is much | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
higher. The coastline runs for 1,500 miles along some of the most | :19:41. | :19:48. | |
strategic sensitive waters in the world. Terrorists, pirates and | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
refugees, all of them pose a threat to Yemen's security. The coastguard | :19:54. | :20:04. | |
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service is to combat that threat. They only have three dozen boats. | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
The West has offered Yemen's government military backing, from | :20:08. | :20:15. | |
US drones to UK Navy personnel training the coastguards. But as | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
the country descends into chaos, there is a question - has any of it | :20:19. | :20:29. | |
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worked? Welcome to HARDtalk. What is the number one problem? | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
According to the increase of piracy action in the area up, that is our | :20:37. | :20:46. | |
major concern. In addition to the situation going on in Somalia. | :20:46. | :20:55. | |
We're closing the shore to suspicious people. When you talk | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
about suspicious people, we know there has been a number of | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
statements from a movement in Somalia saying they will help their | :21:00. | :21:10. | |
brother fighters, the Islamist Jihad fighters. Are you seeing them | :21:10. | :21:20. | |
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come into Yemen? There are so many attempts. They want to come to | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
Yemen. But with co-operation with the Yemen coastguard and the Navy, | :21:29. | :21:39. | |
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they are doing a good job. They are doing their best to stop it. | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
talk a very good game. But you have 30 boats in your entire fleet. You | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
do not have great resources. There is a massive problem. How can you | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
guarantee security? With co- operation with the international | :21:55. | :22:05. | |
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community, Yemen can do the best job. There are some people who | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
believe that Yemen is a failing state, if not a failed state. They | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
look at the security institutions and they say they do not work, they | :22:16. | :22:23. | |
are not capable of ensuring security. You are in the coastguard, | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
you are a lieutenant. How do you respond to the charge that you are | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
a part of a failing security state? Failure, I think it does not exist | :22:35. | :22:43. | |
in the real life of Yemen, failure is in their minds. We are confident | :22:43. | :22:53. | |
we are doing our jobs. Yemen faces so many problems. But it is moving | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
forward. We have the encouragement and the confidence that we are | :22:56. | :23:06. | |
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attacking in the correct part and we are doing the right things. We | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
are doing our best with our limited resources. We need support from the | :23:15. | :23:24. | |
international community. Yemen's internal fault lines run | :23:24. | :23:33. | |
deep. The sun has set on the President's rule, but powerful | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
internal forces are pulling the nation apart. In Aden, they have | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
lived with insecurity for generations. The rise of Al-Qaeda | :23:43. | :23:46. |