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Now it is time for HARDtalk. My guest today has tested his | :00:13. | :00:19. | |
physical powers to the edge of destruction. James Cracknell is a | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
former Olympic rowing champion who has performed an astonishing feats | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
of endurance across oceans, desert and ice sheets. His toughest | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
challenge came by accident, not design. Two years ago his skull was | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
smashed by a truck as he cycled across America. He survived, his | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
body healed but his brain suffered significant damage. How has this | :00:43. | :00:53. | |
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extreme athlete coped with the James Cracknell, welcome to | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
HARDtalk. The IQ. I think we have to begin with that fateful event in | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
Arizona more than two years ago when you were on your bike, you | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
would hit by a massive truck, it smashed your skull. Looking back | :01:29. | :01:36. | |
now, do you feel that that event irrevocably changed your life? | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
did, no question. -- no question that it has. It is difficult for | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
people to see from the outside because brain injuries are not | :01:47. | :01:55. | |
something you come across, fortunately, very often. What I am | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
left with is far removed from that. It is an exaggeration of the | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
challenges people face: Holding a family together, reacting in a way | :02:06. | :02:13. | |
that is predictable, not getting frustrated. My wife says I am not | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
the man she married. That is something that you have to cope | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
with. She says it as bluntly as that? You, James Cracknell, are not | :02:22. | :02:32. | |
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quite the same man that she met and married. She does. It has been hard. | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
People don't really know what to expect from brain damage. They | :02:38. | :02:48. | |
either Steer clear of it. You are different from before. I have made | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
improvement. From the start, people would skirt around it was say I | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
look well when clearly they did not think so. Best has always been the | :02:58. | :03:07. | |
toughest person to ask me the tough questions. -- Beth. It has helped | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
me get to where I am but it has meant that home has not been the | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
sanctuary I have wanted. I want to speak more about your home but I | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
also want to ask how you can judge your recovery yourself. There are | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
some tangible things. You have lost your senses of smell and taste. You | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
can measure your memory to a certain extent. Your personality, | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
the way you respond to other people, social situations, the shortness of | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
your temper, that is difficult to know yourself how much you have | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
changed. Absolutely. It has required a lot of thought and | :03:44. | :03:54. | |
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effort on my part to work out what is maybe Amy -- me being me or me | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
behaving as a damage -- as a result of the damage to my brain. I have | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
to put in place a strategy to deal with that. By has bought two | :04:05. | :04:12. | |
psychologists, neurologist's. -- I have spoke to. I am looking at what | :04:12. | :04:21. | |
my old characteristics are. If it isn't me being annoyed or situation | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
is getting on top of me because of the injury and then having to take | :04:26. | :04:33. | |
a kind of time out. -- if it is me. To help me and the audience pick | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
away at who you where and who you are now, let's go back to before | :04:38. | :04:46. | |
July, 2010. Before the accident. Let's think about who you were. | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
This immense competitive urge that you had. I know it came out as a | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
schoolboy rower, through preparation for Olympics and beyond. | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
You have always, it seems to me, been somewhat addicted to pushing | :05:01. | :05:09. | |
your physical limits. I wonder how that came about. In terms of the | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
sport, rowing, I found it very difficult -- different from rugby, | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
football and cricket, the three big sports in the UK. You're always | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
doing something, for one. Cricket, a lot of time standing around. You | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
are always doing something. No one person in the team is more | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
important than anyone else. In football, there are a couple of | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
people in the team that you give the ball too. The same with the | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
best bowler were the best batsman, you rely on them. In rowing, you | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
are doing the same thing at the same time. You put the effort in | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
and you get the result you deserve. In rowing, you could find it easy | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
measure of durability and the talent. For you, that took you all | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
the way to the Olympic gold. -- your ability. Then, like any | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
athlete who ages, you have to think about what comes next. That is | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
where I am fascinated. You continued to strive to find ways of | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
pushing yourself to physical extremes. But that was not in a | :06:19. | :06:29. | |
rowing boat, it was somehow. -- if it was not. Olympic sports, by that | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
I mean, I mean yes, we are the Olympic champions every year, but | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
the Olympics are the pinnacle and you do not make a living of Rohan. | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
You pursue a life on hold. -- a living from rowing. People ask what | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
the ideal age is for a roar. When do you want to get a house? As a | :06:52. | :06:59. | |
footballer, you learn so much a week that you don't have that | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
decision. It is controlled by market forces. Not many people find | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
some sports are as interesting as the ball. You do not have the same | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
awards. Thinking of the race to the South Pole but you undertake, which | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
frankly almost did for you, and rowing across the Atlantic, which | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
was pure agony like you have not experienced before, did you do that | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
because that was a way of using your physical gifts in a way that | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
would turn you into being a unique star? It is nothing I have ever | :07:34. | :07:41. | |
done before for coverage outside. From Ali, I did it for two reasons. | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
-- Premat relief. I had done the same thing from the age of 18 to | :07:47. | :07:57. | |
the age of 32. We used to train seven days a week. And they have | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
won the off. You knew you would do that for four ears. -- and then | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
have one day off. You would do that for four years. It takes two years | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
to retire. I was told to raise the Olympics in August and then have | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
September off and start training in October. That is when you next four | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
years will start. You do not get your head around retiring by | :08:22. | :08:29. | |
October. It takes more than one month. Therefore, you have got two | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
years before you don't look at your sport in the same way, thinking "I | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
could do that." You need to not look at results and think you could | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
do that. I had the world record for ten years. We were broken at the | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
London Olympics. It was set in 2002. For some part of it, I knew my best | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
would be good enough. I was still good enough to win. There is always | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
that temptation to go back. You need to do something else to | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
challenge yourself in a different way. Once you do stop, even if it | :09:05. | :09:11. | |
is only within those two years, for the first time in a decade or more, | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
I didn't have a goal to focus on. Right across the Atlantic was a | :09:15. | :09:23. | |
goal to focus on. That brings us back to July, 2010. You had to make | :09:23. | :09:31. | |
children. You had two young children. At the time of her | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
accident, your wife was about to discover she was pregnant with your | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
third child. There you are one life support, hanging between life and | :09:41. | :09:48. | |
death in Arizona. You had a terrible accident. When you begin | :09:48. | :09:55. | |
to recover, I just wonder whether it was plain to you that you had to | :09:55. | :10:05. | |
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end this obsessional pursuit of athletic challenge? In terms of my | :10:09. | :10:18. | |
wife and died before, and nothing I did after the Olympics was costing | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
the family in terms of career or money or anything else. I had been | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
lucky enough to get to the situation where my obsession or | :10:29. | :10:36. | |
hobby was also my job. That is the ideal situation in terms if | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
anyone's dreams. What they enjoy doing, they can make a living off. | :10:42. | :10:52. | |
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Then I realised... Had none. It is important to everyone. Both she and | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
you have written very movingly about the long road to recovery. | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
She has described her blazing anger when you first told her that you're | :11:02. | :11:12. | |
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going to get on a bike again, for example. There was a big difference | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
between what she wanted me to do and what I wanted to do. I would | :11:21. | :11:30. | |
not have suggested I was going to get back on my bike straight away. | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
I wanted to go back to doing something because I felt my | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
decisions weren't trusted after what happened in America. My | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
ability to make the right decision at the right time was not trusted. | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
That was entirely understandable, wasn't it? Not really. I had taken | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
myself off the road the night before. I felt it was too windy and | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
there was being blown across the road. I started again when the wind | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
died down and I got hit from behind on a public highway. That can | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
happen to anyone at any time. If it had been in an isolated region of | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
the world and it had been my decision, I could understand that | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
mistrust. I felt that after the accident, my decisions were | :12:18. | :12:28. | |
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With respect, and I am delving into deep private issues, but you have | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
chosen to write about them, but what I have learned from Emily's | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
account is that she didn't trust you and didn't see you in the same | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
way after the accident not necessarily because she didn't | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
trust -- didn't want to see you going on the back so quickly, but | :12:47. | :12:55. | |
because she saw you weren't fathering your children in the way | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
you had before. She felt you were being very unfair to your eldest | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
boy, shouting at him, treating him with a temper that she found | :13:04. | :13:13. | |
utterly unacceptable. Yes, and looking back, so do I. I never | :13:13. | :13:21. | |
smack him, I never have smacked him. But what made it the hard for him | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
was unpredictability. All children leave -- need a level of | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
predictability. And getting angry about different things. This is | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
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what neurologists say. You become more of you when you have a brain | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
in this -- injury. Your habits and personal traits become stronger. I | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
always had a problem with him talking with his mouth full. But | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
that and then became a big issue at mealtimes. We would struggle to sit | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
together at the table. Things like that were not fair on him. For six | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
years of his life, he had one father, and for the last three | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
years, he had another dad. I am different now from what I was 18 | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
months ago, but there was a chasm that developed between us, which I | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
am slowly building a bridge across. But if I let that go, he will never | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
come back. At the same time, you are struggling to maintain and | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
nurture the relationship with a wife, who, frankly, is going | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
through a terrible amount of pain because what you are showing her | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
about your changes. One account she has written about a time when she | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
argued with you about the way you were handling your eldest boy. You | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
both had an argument. She wrote: James grabs me around the neck, | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
holds me down on the bed, tightens his grip until I cannot freeze. For | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
a moment, I generally believe he might kill me. I pray a flicker of | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
empathy will ignite behind his deadened eyes. Finally, he lets me | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
go up and I grabbed the phone and lock myself in the bathroom. That | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
is horrible reading that. The one thing we said when we wrote this | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
book is that we would write it separately. And we would not censor | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
what either one of us said. Because we want to help people out. When | :15:31. | :15:39. | |
you first saw what Beverley had written, what was your reaction? | :15:39. | :15:45. | |
I cannot remember that night. There are certain things... My day-to-day | :15:45. | :15:52. | |
memory has improved massively over the 2.5 years since the accident, | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
so I can't remember that. I can remember her sister coming around. | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
When she was on the phone, she called her sister, and she came | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
around, but I can't remember what she said. But Beverley said... In | :16:08. | :16:16. | |
the end, she said, it is not due. That is not to leave. It has never | :16:16. | :16:22. | |
happen before or since. But to make someone I unconditionally loved | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
feel like that - regularly - whether it is from a situation like | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
that or if it is from arguments or my youngest boy from arguments and | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
feeling like there is a different father, it is really horrible. I | :16:39. | :16:47. | |
cannot ever condone or forgive myself for that. And part of it is | :16:47. | :16:55. | |
because I look in the mirror and I see the same person. I hadn't | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
approach to the rehabilitation therapy in the right way. I hadn't | :16:59. | :17:09. | |
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committed to it in the way that I needed to. And I thought I was OK. | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
The world looked the same through my eyes, it was just that people | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
were treating me differently. And that was hard for me to come to | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
terms with. You have had counselling and you have had | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
therapy. But are you ever frightened by yourself and what you | :17:27. | :17:37. | |
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might do? No, I don't get frightened by my behaviour. Because | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
I know that there are certain things that I do need to do. I have | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
had a couple of seizures since the accident, which are horrendous for | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
people who are with me, have horrendous effects on the family. | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
Because after every seizure, I can't drive for a year. I wake up | :18:00. | :18:10. | |
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in hospital. I had one at home and it was 1.5 years after the accident | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
and although angry and different at times, I am still his father, and | :18:17. | :18:27. | |
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suddenly, my boy was back by my bedside in hospital. And to be | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
honest, I have no memory of the seven weeks after the accident. And | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
if so when I come round and begin to remember things being day today, | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
they become all normalised to might be different. They had become used | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
to it. But after the first seizure, it was very different. I can | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
remember off to the seizure and I can remember coming around in | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
hospital, but seeing the difference in my boy, he was suddenly back in | :18:58. | :19:05. | |
that place, it was horrible. And I know that if I don't rest, I am | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
more likely to have a seizure. sounds like you are more self-aware | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
and you have ever be because you have been forced to learn an awful | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
lot about yourself and literally the way your brain works. I don't | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
want to sound like a pop psychologist, but that has -- has | :19:26. | :19:33. | |
that enabled you to find a new meaning in your life? You said you | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
used to find meaning from physical tests and proving yourself. Have | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
you found a new way of finding meaning? Interesting that you say | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
that you don't want to sound like a pop psychologist, but that is what | :19:46. | :19:52. | |
Beverley, my wife, my parents, are all having to do because they are | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
having to see me on a regular basis and make judgments. And if they are | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
not prepared to be honest with you, it will be a real problem for you | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
and anyone else to be, and they are going to have to make those pop | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
psychologist decisions on what their gut instincts are. I would | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
much rather be told to my face than for them to go back to their | :20:16. | :20:23. | |
partner and say, oh, he was a bit funny today, but you are right - | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
this has given me a new perspective. Sport was very easy. And that is | :20:29. | :20:36. | |
what I have realised. You're basically doing sport full-time, | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
exactly what a 16-year-old boy would love to be doing, you are | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
judged only on the results from the sport. Outside of sport, you are | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
judged differently. Having now had a brain injury and an accident, you | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
are judged differently again. success and failure are much more | :20:56. | :21:04. | |
complicated in a life that is no longer governed by sport. In a way, | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
you are right. And what success and failure looks like is nothing that | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
I would have considered before. You leave the hospital and they say | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
that seven out of ten people with a brain injury get divorced. So a | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
measure of success would be the in a statistical anomaly rather than | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
conforming to this 70% or 80% of people who split up. I don't want | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
to have to see my children every other week for one day or two. | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
is where your absolute, fundamental meaning lies, I sense. Building | :21:41. | :21:48. | |
those bridges and making it work. Yes. I was 24 hours away from never | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
seeing them again. At times, they may wish they never see me again | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
but they do not want to be in a situation where I don't see them | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
again and that is crucial on every level. | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
Do you have any plans to go back on the road and to take another | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
endurance test or try to prove yourself again in a physical way? | :22:14. | :22:21. | |
In terms of proving myself physically, it was never about... | :22:21. | :22:31. | |
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It was different environments. Water, icy conditions, the desert. | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
But I was lucky I started off in a different place of not having to do | :22:35. | :22:43. | |
so much because I have already done the hard work. In terms of what the | :22:43. | :22:52. | |
future holds and proving myself in certain ways, the challenge of what | :22:52. | :23:02. | |
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I am left with now - slightly exaggerated - it is being married | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
and raising three children. That has got to be one of the hardest | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
things we all do. There is not enough time in the day and that is | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
one of the things I struggle with, now. Making a success of these | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
basic building blocks will give me the platform to do whatever I | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
choose to do and what I choose to do will be discussed as a family. | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
But what I have noticed since the accident, and many people will be | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
able to relate, is that people impose ceilings on where you will | :23:39. | :23:46. | |
be able to get to. If you listen to those limitations, whether it is a | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
psychologist or a neurologist, if they say you are only going to be | :23:51. | :23:56. |