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the main stories. Now on BBC News the main stories. Now on BBC News | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
it's time for' HARDtalk. -- HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace of the Arab uprising more than two | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
of the Arab uprising more than two of the Arab uprising more than two | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
of the Arab uprising more than two years ago. My guest today is the | :00:19. | :00:20. | |
years ago. My guest today is the years ago. My guest today is the | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
most important man in this country, most important man in this country, | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
most important man in this country, the veteran leader of the ruling | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
the veteran leader of the ruling He is one of the most important | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
He is one of the most important advocates of political Islam in the | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
advocates of political Islam in the advocates of political Islam in the | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
world. But can freedom, democracy world. But can freedom, democracy | :00:35. | :00:44. | |
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Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
revolution has entered a dangerous revolution has entered a dangerous | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
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revolution has entered a dangerous Even though you have seen | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
Even though you have seen Even though you have seen | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
polarisation in this country, and polarisation in this country, and | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
polarisation in this country, and you have seen very serious | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
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But we have the words of the But we have the words of the | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
himself, who just before he was killed accused your | :02:34. | :02:34. | |
killed accused your movement, | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
killed accused your movement, Ennahda, | :02:35. | :02:36. | |
Ennahda, of | :02:36. | :02:36. | |
killed accused your movement, Ennahda, of being | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
Ennahda, of being behind | :02:37. | :02:37. | |
killed accused your movement, Ennahda, of being behind much | :02:37. | :02:37. | |
Ennahda, of being behind much of | :02:37. | :02:37. | |
Ennahda, of being behind much of the | :02:38. | :02:38. | |
the political | :02:38. | :02:38. | |
Ennahda, of being behind much of the political violence. | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
the political violence. He | :02:39. | :02:40. | |
Ennahda, of being behind much of the political violence. He said, | :02:40. | :02:41. | |
the political violence. He said, "All | :02:41. | :02:41. | |
"All those | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
the political violence. He said, "All those who | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
"All those who oppose | :02:43. | :02:43. | |
the political violence. He said, "All those who oppose any | :02:43. | :02:43. | |
"All those who oppose any ardour | :02:43. | :02:43. | |
"All those who oppose any ardour are | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
are now | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
"All those who oppose any ardour are now targets. | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
are now targets." | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
"All those who oppose any ardour are now targets." shortly | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
are now targets." shortly later | :02:48. | :02:48. | |
"All those who oppose any ardour are now targets." shortly later he | :02:48. | :02:48. | |
are now targets." shortly later he was | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
was killed | :02:50. | :02:50. | |
are now targets." shortly later he was killed -- | :02:50. | :02:50. | |
was killed -- Ennahda. | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
are now targets." shortly later he was killed -- Ennahda. That | :02:51. | :02:51. | |
was killed -- Ennahda. That is | :02:51. | :02:51. | |
was killed -- Ennahda. That is something | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
something you | :02:52. | :02:52. | |
was killed -- Ennahda. That is something you now | :02:52. | :02:52. | |
something you now have | :02:52. | :02:52. | |
was killed -- Ennahda. That is something you now have to | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
something you now have to explain | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
something you now have to explain to | :02:54. | :02:54. | |
to the | :02:54. | :02:54. | |
something you now have to explain to the Tunisian | :02:54. | :02:54. | |
to the Tunisian people. | :02:54. | :03:04. | |
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But | :04:21. | :04:21. | |
But Mr | :04:21. | :04:21. | |
But Mr Ghannouchi, | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just about the anger of a grieving | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
about the anger of a grieving about the anger of a grieving | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
about the anger of a grieving family. I come back to the point | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
family. I come back to the point family. I come back to the point | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
family. I come back to the point that before he died, shook rebel I | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
that before he died, shook rebel I that before he died, shook rebel I | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
need plainly pointed a finger at need plainly pointed a finger at | :04:36. | :04:37. | |
need plainly pointed a finger at York ruling party, Ennahda Movement. | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
York ruling party, Ennahda Movement. York ruling party, Ennahda Movement. | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
He said there was evidence your He said there was evidence your | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
He said there was evidence your party was connected to these | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
party was connected to these party was connected to these | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
militias, the leaks for the militias, the leaks for the | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
militias, the leaks for the Protection of the Revolution, which | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
Protection of the Revolution, which Protection of the Revolution, which | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
he says have been intimidating he says have been intimidating | :04:48. | :04:49. | |
opposition figures, journalists, opposition figures, journalists, | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
opposition figures, journalists, trade unions and others for many | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
trade unions and others for many trade unions and others for many | :04:52. | :05:02. | |
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Let's talk about another Let's talk about another | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
potentially dangerous element in potentially dangerous element in | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
Tunisian Society, that's the Tunisian Society, that's the | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
Tunisian Society, that's the Selassie movement. I have met | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
Selassie movement. I have met Selassie movement. I have met | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
myself young bearded men in city myself young bearded men in city | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
myself young bearded men in city myself young bearded men in city | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
busy who say they have no interest busy who say they have no interest | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
busy who say they have no interest in democracy. They are committed to | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
in democracy. They are committed to in democracy. They are committed to | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
in democracy. They are committed to jihad. And they will do all in | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
jihad. And they will do all in jihad. And they will do all in | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
their power to establish Islamic their power to establish Islamic | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
their power to establish Islamic their power to establish Islamic | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
Sharia law in this country. Do you Sharia law in this country. Do you | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
Sharia law in this country. Do you Sharia law in this country. Do you | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
regard such men as a danger to the regard such men as a danger to the | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
regard such men as a danger to the regard such men as a danger to the | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
state? And are you prepared to take state? And are you prepared to take | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
state? And are you prepared to take whatever action is necessary to | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
whatever action is necessary to whatever action is necessary to | :06:00. | :06:10. | |
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ensure they cannot carry out acts UC there are critics of your party | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
UC there are critics of your party UC there are critics of your party | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
UC there are critics of your party in this country who say you have | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
in this country who say you have in this country who say you have | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
been soft on the Salafists. And been soft on the Salafists. And | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
been soft on the Salafists. And they say, for example, the Interior | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
they say, for example, the Interior they say, for example, the Interior | :07:23. | :07:23. | |
they say, for example, the Interior Minister, who is now to be Prime | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
Minister, who is now to be Prime Minister, who is now to be Prime | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
Minister of this country thanks to Minister of this country thanks to | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
Minister of this country thanks to Minister of this country thanks to | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
you, his record suggests he is not you, his record suggests he is not | :07:30. | :07:40. | |
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you, his record suggests he is not prepared to confront the Salafists | :07:48. | :07:58. | |
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If I may, and I'm sorry to If I may, and I'm sorry to | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
If I may, and I'm sorry to interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but if I made your opponents 0.2 video | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
if I made your opponents 0.2 video if I made your opponents 0.2 video | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
evidence, for example, of you evidence, for example, of you | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
evidence, for example, of you yourself engaging in what appeared | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
yourself engaging in what appeared yourself engaging in what appeared | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
to be very conversation with young to be very conversation with young | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
Salafists last year. It was Salafists last year. It was | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
Salafists last year. It was Salafists last year. It was | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
released last year of Usain to them, released last year of Usain to them, | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
released last year of Usain to them, "Be patient, the government is in | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
"Be patient, the government is in "Be patient, the government is in | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
the hands of the Islamists. The the hands of the Islamists. The | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
the hands of the Islamists. The the hands of the Islamists. The | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
masts are ours. We have become the masts are ours. We have become the | :08:55. | :08:55. | |
masts are ours. We have become the most important entity in the | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
most important entity in the most important entity in the | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
country -- the Moscows. We must country -- the Moscows. We must | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
country -- the Moscows. We must establish Corral next calls because | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
establish Corral next calls because establish Corral next calls because | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
establish Corral next calls because our people are ignorant of Islam". | :09:04. | :09:05. | |
our people are ignorant of Islam". our people are ignorant of Islam". | :09:05. | :09:15. | |
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our people are ignorant of Islam". Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the President who says he believes | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
President who says he believes President who says he believes | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
there are hundreds of committed there are hundreds of committed | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
there are hundreds of committed there are hundreds of committed | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
Salafists who are a danger to this Salafists who are a danger to this | :10:13. | :10:13. | |
Salafists who are a danger to this country. And he says if this | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
country. And he says if this country. And he says if this | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
problem is not tackled there is the problem is not tackled there is the | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
problem is not tackled there is the possibility of civil war in Tunisia. | :10:20. | :10:30. | |
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possibility of civil war in Tunisia. It was very striking that in the | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
It was very striking that in the It was very striking that in the | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
wake of the assassination of truck wake of the assassination of truck | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
wake of the assassination of truck rebel I eat, there were important | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
rebel I eat, there were important rebel I eat, there were important | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
figures inside your own party, figures inside your own party, | :11:00. | :11:00. | |
figures inside your own party, including then Prime Minister Mr | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
including then Prime Minister Mr including then Prime Minister Mr | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed | :11:03. | :11:04. | |
Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
it would be the best thing for it would be the best thing for | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
it would be the best thing for Tunisia to establish a non-partisan | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
Tunisia to establish a non-partisan government of technocrats for | :11:10. | :11:11. | |
government of technocrats for government of technocrats for | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
government of technocrats for Ennahda or to take a back seat. You | :11:12. | :11:22. | |
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But this is a crisis facing Tunisia But this is a crisis facing Tunisia | :11:50. | :11:51. | |
But this is a crisis facing Tunisia But this is a crisis facing Tunisia | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
today. And others in your own party, today. And others in your own party, | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
including Vice-President Abdel including Vice-President Abdel | :11:55. | :11:56. | |
including Vice-President Abdel including Vice-President Abdel | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
Fatah, said that if you continue on Fatah, said that if you continue on | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
Fatah, said that if you continue on your present course you and other | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
your present course you and other your present course you and other | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
senior leaders -- course, you and senior leaders -- course, you and | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
senior leaders -- course, you and other senior leaders in Ennahda, he | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
other senior leaders in Ennahda, he other senior leaders in Ennahda, he | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
said you face disaster. Unless said you face disaster. Unless | :12:14. | :12:14. | |
said you face disaster. Unless everyone changes we do face | :12:15. | :12:24. | |
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everyone changes we do face So let us be very clear then. Right | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
So let us be very clear then. Right So let us be very clear then. Right | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
So let us be very clear then. Right now the debate still is about the | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
now the debate still is about the now the debate still is about the | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
shape of Tunisia's new constitution. shape of Tunisia's new constitution. | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
shape of Tunisia's new constitution. shape of Tunisia's new constitution. | :13:00. | :13:00. | |
It was supposed to be settled by It was supposed to be settled by | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
It was supposed to be settled by It was supposed to be settled by | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
now but you still don't have a new now but you still don't have a new | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
now but you still don't have a new constitution. Let me ask you some | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
constitution. Let me ask you some simple questions about this | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
simple questions about this simple questions about this | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
constitution. Will there or will constitution. Will there or will | :13:10. | :13:11. | |
constitution. Will there or will constitution. Will there or will | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
there not be a reference to Sharia there not be a reference to Sharia | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
there not be a reference to Sharia there not be a reference to Sharia | :13:15. | :13:25. | |
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as the basis of law in the new And what about an absolute | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
And what about an absolute commitment to gender equality. | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
commitment to gender equality. commitment to gender equality. | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
Because even the UN Working Group Because even the UN Working Group | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
Because even the UN Working Group on discrimination against women has | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
on discrimination against women has expressed concerns about the | :13:53. | :13:54. | |
expressed concerns about the expressed concerns about the | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
strength of the commitment inside strength of the commitment inside | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
strength of the commitment inside the draft documents for the | :13:57. | :13:58. | |
the draft documents for the the draft documents for the | :13:58. | :13:59. | |
constitution to this idea of constitution to this idea of | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
constitution to this idea of absolute gender equality. Will you | :14:01. | :14:11. | |
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absolute gender equality. Will you Let us be clear about the current | :14:49. | :14:50. | |
Let us be clear about the current Let us be clear about the current | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
situation. The country is in limbo situation. The country is in limbo | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
situation. The country is in limbo because there is no constitution | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
because there is no constitution and parliamentary elections that | :14:55. | :14:56. | |
and parliamentary elections that and parliamentary elections that | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
were supposed to take place have were supposed to take place have | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
were supposed to take place have were supposed to take place have | :15:00. | :15:00. | |
been put back until the summer and been put back until the summer and | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
been put back until the summer and according to the President, they | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
according to the President, they according to the President, they | :15:04. | :15:05. | |
according to the President, they may not take place until October or | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
may not take place until October or may not take place until October or | :15:07. | :15:08. | |
November. You are the most powerful November. You are the most powerful | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
November. You are the most powerful November. You are the most powerful | :15:10. | :15:11. | |
man in this country. Can you tell man in this country. Can you tell | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
man in this country. Can you tell man in this country. Can you tell | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
me the specific date by which you me the specific date by which you | :15:15. | :15:16. | |
me the specific date by which you can guarantee there will be fresh | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
can guarantee there will be fresh parliamentary and presidential | :15:18. | :15:28. | |
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Is that a guarantee? But is it a Is that a guarantee? But is it a | :15:56. | :15:56. | |
Is that a guarantee? But is it a guarantee? Because there are some | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
guarantee? Because there are some guarantee? Because there are some | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
guarantee? Because there are some in Tunisia who believe that you are | :15:59. | :16:09. | |
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in Tunisia who believe that you are But if I may be blunt, do you | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
But if I may be blunt, do you But if I may be blunt, do you | :16:18. | :16:18. | |
believe when the Tunisia and people believe when the Tunisia and people | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
believe when the Tunisia and people see your own son-in-law appointed | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
see your own son-in-law appointed see your own son-in-law appointed | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
to the important post of Foreign to the important post of Foreign | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
to the important post of Foreign Minister and when they then read | :16:27. | :16:28. | |
Minister and when they then read allegations that the Foreign | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
allegations that the Foreign allegations that the Foreign | :16:29. | :16:30. | |
Minister reviews to the public Minister reviews to the public | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
Minister reviews to the public trust by occupying a luxury hotel | :16:33. | :16:33. | |
trust by occupying a luxury hotel trust by occupying a luxury hotel | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
trust by occupying a luxury hotel and using public money to fund that | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
and using public money to fund that and using public money to fund that | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
use, do you believe that actually use, do you believe that actually | :16:40. | :16:41. | |
use, do you believe that actually you in your government and maybe | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
you in your government and maybe you in your government and maybe | :16:43. | :16:44. | |
you in your government and maybe even in your own family have a | :16:44. | :16:54. | |
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But you know that if you will. A But you know that if you will. A | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
But you know that if you will. A close relative to a very senior | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
close relative to a very senior close relative to a very senior | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
position, people will talk. -- if position, people will talk. -- if | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
position, people will talk. -- if you appoint a close relative. And | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
you appoint a close relative. And you appoint a close relative. And | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
people will make comparisons to the people will make comparisons to the | :17:42. | :17:43. | |
people will make comparisons to the people will make comparisons to the | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
way things work to the Ben Ali way things work to the Ben Ali | :17:44. | :17:45. | |
way things work to the Ben Ali regime. Surely it would have been | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
regime. Surely it would have been regime. Surely it would have been | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
wiser, better, to keep your family wiser, better, to keep your family | :17:49. | :17:59. | |
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wiser, better, to keep your family Finally, let me ask you about the | :18:34. | :18:35. | |
Finally, let me ask you about the international context in which | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
international context in which international context in which | :18:37. | :18:37. | |
international context in which Tunisia must survive. I think it is | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
Tunisia must survive. I think it is Tunisia must survive. I think it is | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
fair to say that Western fair to say that Western | :18:40. | :18:40. | |
fair to say that Western governments look at the Arab | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
governments look at the Arab governments look at the Arab | :18:42. | :18:42. | |
uprising and the revolutions and uprising and the revolutions and | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
uprising and the revolutions and uprising and the revolutions and | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
they are trying to figure out what they are trying to figure out what | :18:45. | :18:46. | |
they are trying to figure out what they are trying to figure out what | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
kind of new politics there will be kind of new politics there will be | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
kind of new politics there will be in the Arab world and how | :18:50. | :18:51. | |
in the Arab world and how relationships between the Western | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
relationships between the Western relationships between the Western | :18:52. | :18:53. | |
relationships between the Western powers and the new Arab states will | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
powers and the new Arab states will powers and the new Arab states will | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
powers and the new Arab states will work. Now, if you can, tell me how | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
work. Now, if you can, tell me how work. Now, if you can, tell me how | :19:02. | :19:02. | |
you see Tunisia's relationship with you see Tunisia's relationship with | :19:02. | :19:12. | |
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you see Tunisia's relationship with you see Tunisia's relationship with | :19:13. | :19:23. | |
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But in a way, you must know why But in a way, you must know why | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
But in a way, you must know why people were suspicious, because you | :19:38. | :19:39. | |
people were suspicious, because you people were suspicious, because you | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
yourself in the 1990s described the yourself in the 1990s described the | :19:41. | :19:42. | |
yourself in the 1990s described the yourself in the 1990s described the | :19:42. | :19:43. | |
US as a crusader nation and an US as a crusader nation and an | :19:43. | :19:53. | |
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enemy of Islam. Have you changed My point about the language ears an | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
My point about the language ears an My point about the language ears an | :20:25. | :20:26. | |
important one. In the 1990s, you important one. In the 1990s, you | :20:26. | :20:27. | |
important one. In the 1990s, you important one. In the 1990s, you | :20:27. | :20:28. | |
call to the US a crusader nation call to the US a crusader nation | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
call to the US a crusader nation call to the US a crusader nation | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
and called it an enemy of Islam. Do and called it an enemy of Islam. Do | :20:31. | :20:32. | |
and called it an enemy of Islam. Do you regret the language that you | :20:32. | :20:42. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds | :20:42. | :21:29. | |
If that is the case, will you offer, If that is the case, will you offer, | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
If that is the case, will you offer, for example, support and assistance | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
for example, support and assistance for example, support and assistance | :21:33. | :21:34. | |
to the French in operations against to the French in operations against | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
Islamist militants in Mali? There Islamist militants in Mali? There | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
Islamist militants in Mali? There are allegations, certainly in the | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
are allegations, certainly in the are allegations, certainly in the | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
French press that there are French press that there are | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda linked to groups. We have seen | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
linked to groups. We have seen linked to groups. We have seen | :21:49. | :21:50. | |
Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will you co-operate with the US, the | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
you co-operate with the US, the French, British intelligence in | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
French, British intelligence in French, British intelligence in | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
trying to crack down on these trying to crack down on these | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
trying to crack down on these jihadis even if they are inside | :21:58. | :22:08. | |
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One final thought. Tunisian people One final thought. Tunisian people | :22:38. | :22:39. | |
One final thought. Tunisian people One final thought. Tunisian people | :22:39. | :22:39. | |
hoped that their country could be a hoped that their country could be a | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
hoped that their country could be a hoped that their country could be a | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
model for the Arab world in terms model for the Arab world in terms | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
of establishing freedom, democracy, of establishing freedom, democracy, | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
prosperity. Would you acknowledge prosperity. Would you acknowledge | :22:48. | :22:49. | |
prosperity. Would you acknowledge that it actually been harder than | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
that it actually been harder than that it actually been harder than | :22:52. | :22:53. |