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Thank you, Mr Speaker. I'd like to ask the Secretary of State for | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
business, energy and industrial strategy if he will make a statement | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
on the nuclear decommissioning authority's early contract | :00:33. | :00:43. | |
termination at the Mike estate. The Secretary of State for business, | :00:44. | :00:50. | |
energy and industrial strategy. This morning I informed the House | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
that the nuclear decommissioning authority has terminated its | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
contract with the Cavendish floor partnership for the decommissioning | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
of 12 redundant Magnox sites. The MDA ran a ?1.6 billion tender | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
process from April 2012 which resulted in a 14 year contracts | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
being awarded in September 2014 to the partnership, a joint-venture | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
between the British-born Cavendish Nuclear and Floor Incorporated. They | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
started a consolidation process to ensure that the scope of the 2012 | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
tender matched the actual status of the commission. It became clear that | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
there is a significant mismatch between the work tended for and the | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
actual scale of the work that is required to be carried out. The MDA | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
board concluded that it should terminate the contract in two years' | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
notice. Termination was made with the agreement of CFP, and has no | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
reflection on their performance. Dealing safely with the UK's nuclear | :01:48. | :01:56. | |
legacy is fundamental. Decommissioning work will continue | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
for a further 2.5 years. The MDA will establish the placements for a | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
structure to be put in place when the current structure ends. The MDA | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
has also settled outstanding claims against it by Energy Solutions in | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
relation to the 2014 Magnox contract. The MDA was found by the | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
High Court to have wrongly decided the outcome of the procurement | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
process. It is clear that the 2012 tender process was deeply flawed. | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
The MDA has agreed settlement payments with Energy Solutions of | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
?26.5 million, plus 8.5 million of costs. And with Bectel, | :02:33. | :02:43. | |
approximately ?12.5 million in total. These are very substantial | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
costs which could have risen further if the case had proceeded. Tax must | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
be able to be confident that public bodies are operating effectively and | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
securing value for money. Where this has not been achieved, such body | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
should be subject to rigorous scrutiny. I've therefore established | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
an independent enquiry into the original procurement process and why | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
the 2014 contract proved unsustainable. These are separate | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
issues that need to be examined thoroughly. I've asked Mr Steve | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
Holliday, former chief executive of National Grid, to lead this enquiry. | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
The enquiry will take a cradle to grave approach beginning with the | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
MDA's procurement and ending with the contract termination. The | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
enquiry will set out the lessons learned and recommend any further | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
action it sees fit, including any disciplinary investigations or | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
proceedings that may be appropriate. The enquiry will report jointly to | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
me and to the Cabinet Secretary, and his report will be available to this | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
house and to the select committee. Mr Speaker, this was a defective | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
procurement with significant financial consequences, and I'm | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
determined that the lessons to be learned should be exposed and | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
understood. But those responsible should be properly held to account, | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
and that it should never happen again. Bakun Bailey. The MDA has | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
withdrawn an appeal against the judgment handed down in late July | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
last year. Comey secretary therefore confirm why this decision has been | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
taken now? Why the matter was brought to appeal in the first | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
instance? The whether both actions were indeed sanctioned by the | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
Secretary, or indeed his predecessor. The Government | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
concerned that the MDA had not acted properly in the tender process and | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
that the MDA was acutely aware that unsuccessful bidder might challenge | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
the outcome of the competition. The court also stated that the NBA had | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
published -- the court stated that the MDA had fudged the report to | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
achieve a particular outcome. What's also more worrying is that the MDA | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
attempted to get rid of information that might have been detrimental to | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
it, including reference to shredding notes. Given the serious nature of | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
the judgment, will the Secretary of State assure the House that work | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
there will be full public disclosure, and a public hearing. | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
Does the secretary also agreed that the future operation of the MDA has | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
been called into question as a result of this case? And will he | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
confirm what structural changes are necessary, and when? Can he offer | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
any assurances to workers in Magnox going forward? And finally the | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
secretary's written statement confirms that it has become clear to | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
the MDA that there is significantly a mismatch between the work | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
specified in the contract as tended in 2012. Can be secretary therefore | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
confirm when he or his predecessor was first aware of this mismatch, | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
and whether this would have been apparent from the work already being | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
carried out by previous contractors? Thank you, Mr Speaker. The | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
honourable lady is quite right to ask the question and I hope she will | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
agree that the written statement I made today is thorough and | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
comprehensive. I'm very happy to have conversations with her and the | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
select committee over the weeks and months ahead. She asked some | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
specific questions about both the termination of the contract and the | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
litigation. In terms of the litigation, there was indeed a | :06:13. | :06:23. | |
hearing at the court in July. There was another one in December. On the | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
1st of March of this year, a few weeks ago, a new chief executive and | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
chair of the MDA took office. It seems to me appropriate that a new | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
set of eyes should consider these matters, and a course of action, | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
rather than those people who were responsible and involved in the | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
procurement exercise. In answer to your question, it was a decision for | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
the MDA board, that is how it is constitutionally established. But | :06:53. | :06:59. | |
its decision required ratification by me, by the Chief Secretary to the | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
Treasury, and by the accounting officer in my department. She raises | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
some very important questions about the conduct of the original | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
procurement, and mismanagement. This is exactly why it seems to me we | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
need to have an independent figure, independent of government and the | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
MDA, to report to this house, and also the Cabinet Secretary. Not only | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
to learn the lessons to make sure that things cannot happen again, but | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
if there is a fault and an error has been made, then the recommendation | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
of disciplinary action can follow from that. She quite rightly raises | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
the question of the Magnox workforce. For whom this will be a | :07:44. | :07:52. | |
difficult day. She should, and I'm happy to confirm to the House, that | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
there is no question of the good performance, operationally, of the | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
contract. It was the question of the terms of letting the contract. Good | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
progress has been made. The workforce that is employed in the | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
decommissioning contract will continue as planned. And when the | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
report is made available, lessons will be learned about the structure | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
of the MDA, as well as any particular procedural aspects. Mr | :08:20. | :08:26. | |
John Whittingdale. Will my right honourable friend and join me in | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
paying tribute to the workforce in my constituency who are doing a | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
magnificent job in decommissioning that power station. Will he confirm | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
that nothing will prevent that work going forward? That will he also | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
listen to their real concerns about the effect on their pension | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
entitlements with changes made with regard to the cap on exit payments? | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
I certainly join him in paying tribute to the workforce there. Good | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
progress has been made, as he will be aware, improbable, in terms of | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
decommissioning the site there. With the underground waste vaults | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
containing intermediate level waste having been cleared and | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
decontaminated. That is a reflection of the hard work there. In terms of | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
the pension arrangements, there is a separate agreementth consultation | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
and discussion going on surrounding that which is not related to today's | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
announcement. Mr Speaker, I thank the Minister for his response and | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
the shadow Secretary for securing the subject question. This debacle | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
shows that the UK Government cannot even manage its nuclear project, | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
which comes at great cost to the taxpayer, leaving its case for | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
nuclear energy future more threadbare than ever. When we take | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
into account the bizarre and illogical decision to leave Euratom, | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
we are right to be concerned and to seek reassurances that uncertainty | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
over the future of decommissioning will not lead to stand is | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
deteriorating. What assurance Comey secretary give today? This should be | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
a wake-up call. The UK Government's nuclear obsession will do nothing to | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
lower energy bills and will only bird in the next generation with | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
unprecedented economic environmental and security instability and risk. | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
The Tories should do the responsible thing and scrap the nuclear | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
obsession in favour of investment in renewable energy and carbon capture | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
technology. Scottish renewables recently reported that one in six | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
renewable energy jobs in Scotland is under threat in the next year. Will | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
the Government acknowledged that its energy policies need to be reviewed | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
to allow the Scottish Government to continue with its competent and | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
ambitious vision of a prosperous, green future? And finally when can | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
we expect full details of the timetable of this investigation into | :10:48. | :10:49. | |
this matter? Well, I would say to the honourable | :10:50. | :10:58. | |
lady that humility might be appropriate here because the | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
Scottish Government's provided oversight to this procurement as | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
part of the competition programme board and I'm sure that the lessons | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
to be learned will apply to the Government in Scotland as well | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
between 2012 and 2014. I am sure the people of Scotland as well as those | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
of the whole of the United Kingdom, whatever their view of the future of | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
nuclear power, would want the existing nuclear power stations to | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
be decommissioned safely and to have arrangements in place so that that | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
could be done reliably. In terms of the payment review, which I hope she | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
welcomes, I have asked Mr Holliday to give some interim findings by | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
October of this year so that it can inform the further decisions. Thank | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
you, Mr Speaker. I am sure that my Right Honourable friend will pay no | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
attention whatsoever to the bizarre protestations of the SNP spokesman | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
but I hope in asking Steve Holliday personally and we all have very | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
considerable confidence to do this review, he will seek to bring the | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
review itself to a final conclusion reasonably soon after the interim | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
report in October so that we can actually get to the bottom of this | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
and make sure as he rightly says that this does not repeat itself in | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
future years. I agree. I think it is important quickly to learn the | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
lessons and to apply them. This is very important work. The work has | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
been and is being carried out to a high standard but those lessons need | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
to be learned and need to be applied. May I thank the Secretary | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
of State for his courtesy call to me on this matter this morning and the | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
subsequent letter. The Select Committee will challenge and work | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
constructively with him and Steve Holliday on this important issue. | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
Will he clarify whether the enquiry will be confined to the procurement | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
process which led to this specific contract will consider other | :13:01. | :13:09. | |
contracts such as that to decommission Dounreay with the same | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
company that won the Magnox contract and will be enquiry be broad enough | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
to consider whether the arrangements have always been and will continue | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
to be fit for purpose? I am grateful to the chairman of the Select | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
Committee for what he said. I can confirm what he said which is that | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
the management arrangements are very much in scope. I have the terms of | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
reference and put them first thing this morning into the library of | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
both houses of parliament. It is open to Mr Holliday to go where the | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
evidence takes him, to use the phrase on this. The particular | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
concern is about this contract, but if he feels that he needs to look at | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
other aspects of the management, years absolutely free to do so. | :13:59. | :14:06. | |
Thank you. I welcome the characteristic candour and openness | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
with which the Secretary of State has approached this is you. Can he | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
reassure me and the house that in the contracts -- context of the | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
scope of this enquiry, not only will it look at the NDA but also looking | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
at the role of any of the UK Government departments at the | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
Scottish Government in this process as well. I will indeed. The terms of | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
reference which are available and will be published this morning make | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
it very clear that it applies to the NDA and two Government departments | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
as well and that is absolutely right and proper and from the beginning of | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
the procurement in 2012 to the conclusion of the litigation and | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
determination of contract. Under current plans, the power station | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
will lose most of its jobs in under ten years. The Government has | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
committed to continuous decommissioning as recommended by | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
the Welsh affairs Select Committee. Well he published plans and will he | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
agreed to meet with me to discuss the future? I will certainly meet | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
with the honourable lady and I am glad she has given me the | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
opportunity to emphasise that the work will continue but all of the | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
sites as planned and I think she will know that the work is ahead of | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
schedule in the plant that she mentions, but in the light of it | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
being ahead of schedule, I will meet with her to update on the latest | :15:32. | :15:39. | |
timetable. Thank you, Mr Speaker. This was clearly a defective | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
procurement with quite serious financial consequences. And I | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
welcome the Secretary of State's determination that the reasons for | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
it will be exposed. But will he assure this house that where people | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
are found to be responsible or at fault, they will be brought to | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
account? Mr Speaker, I can confirm to my honourable friend that the | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
terms of reference are very clear that the enquiry can make any | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
recommendations it sees fit, including as to any disciplinary | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
investigations or proceedings that may in its view be appropriate as a | :16:16. | :16:24. | |
result of these findings. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Goody Secretary of State | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
please confirm that the thousands of people waiting for an outcome on | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
their pensions will not be ripped off? Yes, Mr Speaker. There have | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
been constructive discussions with the representatives of the | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
workforce. They are continuing, the consultation continues and of course | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
we want to bring them to a satisfactory conclusion. The NDA | :16:46. | :16:53. | |
settlement payments are very substantial. Can my Right Honourable | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
friend confirm that whilst these payments were made without accepting | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
liability that the cost has potential to rise much further, had | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
they gone to court? My honourable friend is absolutely right. We have | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
a duty to consider the further risks to public money, which is why it | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
might accounting officer and the Chief Secretary to the Treasury and | :17:17. | :17:24. | |
I, on advice, accepted is, that however painful it is an these are | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
very significant sums of money as my honourable friend said, that we | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
should be preventing those sums of money being even greater. Given the | :17:32. | :17:42. | |
cost problems with this NDA decommissioning Magnox contract, how | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
can they Secretary of State have any confidence whatsoever in the cost | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
figures for Hinkley point which will itself need decommissioning, | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
especially giving the farce of the massive cost overruns and huge time | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
delays in building the EDF sister reactors in Finland and Normandy, | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
neither of which has opened years later, massively cost overrun? This | :18:03. | :18:10. | |
is about a procurement process that was wrongly specified around | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
decommissioning, not against the built costs of a future reactor. But | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
when we have the other reports of Steve Holliday, if there are wider | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
lessons for the industry, then we will be sure to take them. There is | :18:23. | :18:31. | |
much that all public sector organisations can learn from the | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
procurement process and public - private initiatives, as the amount | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
of money spent by the NHS on PS I will attest. We'll be Secretary of | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
State assure me that all departments will be given the opportunity to | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
learn best practice from this review? I think it is important | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
whether such a serious set of consequences to public money that | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
the conclusion should be publicly available, available to the south | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
and including four other Government departments if they would want to | :19:04. | :19:10. | |
reflect on it. Cannily Secretary of State confirm the holiday enquiry | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
will have reached its final conclusions and issued its final | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
report in time for any lessons to be learnt, to be taken into account | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
before the new contract process begins? What I would say to my | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
honourable friend is that one of the reasons I asked Mr Holliday to make | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
a report by October so that that can happen. I will meet with him in the | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
coming days, as he sets out the scope and timetable, but that is one | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
of the key reasons for the report and I'm sure he will want to make | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
his recommendations available for the new process. What were the terms | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
of the payoff? He has not mentioned it. I have mentioned the settlement. | :19:52. | :19:59. | |
It is nearly ?100 million for the settlement of the litigation and the | :20:00. | :20:09. | |
Chief Executive of the NDA has come to the end of his contract. | :20:10. | :20:20. |