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Tonight, reviled, condemned and now boycotted by advertisers, the | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
pressure is piling on Rupert Murdoch's News International, as | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
the police confirm that the parents of the two little girls killed in | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
the Soham murders have also been contacted by the hacking inquiry. | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
We have also learned they have been in touch with former police officer | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
and Crimewatch presenter Jackie Hames, to warn her, she too may | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
have been hacked. All this blamed on an organisation this country's | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
politicians have gone out of their way to court. Murdoch veteran, | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
editors and Tony Blair's spin doctor are all here. | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
For 160 years it has been the heart of British Rail way engineering, | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
why has the Government decided to buy new trains, not from derby, but | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
from a bunch of Germans. It just seems crazy that it could | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
close, and if it does, Britain will lose its last toe hole in an | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
industry that we created. Can the transport minister explain why he | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
thinks this a better way to spend tax-payers' money. | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
Also tonight. We have been degenerated, not regenerated. | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
A catastrophically broken promise to the people of Stoke-on-Trent. | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
How did a Labour pledge to rehouse people end up with things worse | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
than before. Where are the new houses? We haven't got any. | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
If it wasn't so nauseating it would be comdal, tonight the News of the | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
World - comical, the News of the World journalist accused of hacking | :01:48. | :01:57. | |
Graeme McDowell's phone - Milly Dowler's phone has asked for | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
privacy for his family. There have been immediate commercial | :02:01. | :02:08. | |
consequences, the Ford car company is pulling Tuesdaying from News of | :02:08. | :02:16. | |
the World, others are thinking of doing the same. We have been told | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
about a major new development tonight in the phone hackinging | :02:18. | :02:25. | |
story, it centres on two police detective that is appeared on the | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
BBC Crimewatch programme. Dave Cook, investigating a murder case, and | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
Jackie Hames, one of the presenters, it is thought the News of the World | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
believed they were having an affair, and they were married at the time. | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
There is no question that their phones were accessed. It is the | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
first stage of investigating exactly what happened and what this | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
meant. We understand the police investigating hacking at News of | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
the World have found confidential information on the two detectives | :02:54. | :03:03. | |
in the miles of Glen Mulcar, the private detective the paper had | :03:03. | :03:10. | |
employed. We still don't know exactly what happened, we know some | :03:10. | :03:17. | |
sinister incidents took place, going beyond phone hacking. That | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
raised issues of personal security that they were both very concerned. | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
They both had young children at home. It started two years ago with | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
allegations against celebrities and their representatives. Then | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
politicians became involved. It was only yesterday with a revelation | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
that murdered schoolgirl, Milly Dowler's phone had been hacked, the | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
wave of dues gust threatens to continue, with news today that the | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
families of the murdered schoolchildren, Holly Wells and | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
Jessica Chapman have been approached by police. If it turns | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
out the News of the World hacked into the phones belonging to the | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
parents of Holly and Jessica, the News of the World will face further | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
investigation. Any investigation about crimes that were interfered | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
with, or where hacking took place, adds to the view that there are at | :04:11. | :04:20. | |
least in parts of the industry, something very rotten. This is | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
truly immoral what was going on. My wife said to me this morning, this | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
was sick what was going on, that will be the reaction up and down | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
the country. It is reasonable to assume that other high-profile | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
crime cases could have been targets. Another obvious candidate is the | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
case of missing girl Madeline McCann, who disappeared from the | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
apartment in Portugal where the family was holidaying in 2007. We | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
approached the former BBC journalist, who has represented the | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
McCanns in recent years, he's standing on the right here. He told | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
us today when he asked his phone company to check the records, they | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
found several suspicious events in 2008, at the height of reporting | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
about the Madeline case. Given the concerns that had been | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
raised, I asked Vodaphone to check my own phone records. Whilst they | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
prrnt able to go back through every single phone call in and out. They | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
were able to present me with the customer service records, any time | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
someone calls to make a payment or renew your plan a note is made by | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
the operator. Vodaphone themselves flagged up, on at least two | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
occasions, back in 2008, some suspicious activity on my phone, | :05:29. | :05:39. | |
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which I know had nothing to do with Clarence Mitchell has been | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
interviewed by the police who have taken this evidence. He says he | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
can't be sure if News of the World was behind these suspicious calls | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
or not, he was in daily contact, and says journalists were under | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
dangerous pressure to deliver new lines. It certainly wasn't me, it | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
makes no sense. There is no such thing as a CID trial and there | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
never has been a trial in the McCann case. Rebecca Brook, now | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
News International's chief executive is coming under intense | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
pressure to resign. I understand people have been saying that, she's | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
clear that's what she won't do. It happened in 2002, she's chief | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
executive of a company in 2011. She's absolutely determined to get | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
to the bottom of this issue. She has put three senior executives in | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
charge of it on day-to-day basis, we run this full-time, we make | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
decision, we report to her, we are under no illusion she's absolutely | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
determined if things went wrong we will correct them, and justice will | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
be done. But advertisers are voting with their feet. Ford has pulled | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
its advertising, pending the outcome of News International's | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
inquiry. Others, including NPower, Vauxhall, Halifax, Dixon, are | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
reviewing the accounts. Tesko, one of the biggest advertisers today, | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
said the latest allegation also cause huge distress. Remember News | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
International used to tell everyone, including the Press Complaints | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
Commission, that it was all down to one rogue reporter. I am the | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
regulator, there is only so much we can do when people are lying to us. | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
Now we know, we didn't have the evidence then. We know now that I | :07:22. | :07:29. | |
was not being given the truth by News of the World. New hacking | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
victims are emerging by the hour, it seems. | :07:33. | :07:41. | |
Tonight the independent newspaper claips that Rebecca Brooks | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
personally ordered the hacking of certain phones, and others say that | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
the victims of 7/7 were also targeted. New developments tonight? | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
Happening every half an hour. My colleague was reporting earlier | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
tonight on Twitter that News International passed e-mails to the | :07:58. | :08:05. | |
police that seemed to show that Andy Coulson, the Prime Minister's | :08:05. | :08:14. | |
former press secretary, did pass comment, it is thought that new | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
information has been provided to the police. And News International | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
has reiterated that full co- operation has been provided. This | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
is a big issue, it is not just phone hacking, it is about the | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
payment of police for confidential information. One final thing | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
reported in the Telegraph tomorrow morning, the paper there. They are | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
suggesting that some of the survivors from 7/7 may have had | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
their phones hacked in to too. The former director of | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
communications for Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell, as is the former | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
News of the World journalist, Paul McMullan. | :08:52. | :09:00. | |
Let's start with you, Paul McMullan, Rebecca Brooks said she's staying | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
because she didn't know what was going on in the cases, could she | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
not have shown? - known? I have always been quite loyal to her, God | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
knows why. One slip up was when Hugh Grant came into the bar and we | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
had a chat over the bar and I said she knew all about it to him, that | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
was a bit of unguided bar talk. The simple answer is, yes, of course | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
she did. She, of course denies that? I see. Right, well that is an | :09:29. | :09:38. | |
interesting position to take. And one that when they first said it | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
was a rogue reporter, I thought what about the legitimate | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
investigations we have done that we have had to go into the grey areas | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
and do these things, surely you should protect us and take the | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
point that sometimes we have to do these things, not it is just one | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
person, we never knew anything about it. What was it like to work | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
there at the time. Glenn Mulcaire, the private investigator, talks | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
about a climate of constant pressure to deliver things? It is, | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
you are only as good as your next story. They used to do a byline | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
count every year, and if you didn't have enough it was goodbye. Can you | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
imagine yourself in that sort of environment imagine yourself doing | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
something like listening to Milly Dowler's phone message or something | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
like that? I thought about that today, I have always been very | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
proud to be a News of the World reporter, the biggest circulating | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
English language newspaper in the world, and suddenly I felt ashamed | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
because of the parents and what they had gone through. In reality, | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
I have been thinking about it and taking a step back, it is not such | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
a big deal. I was talking from someone from Kenya earlier today | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
who said the journalists might have helped. They knew a bit of extra | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
information. Are you saying you don't think it was an invasion of | :10:56. | :11:04. | |
privacy? You don't think it broke the law, or obstructive to the | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
police inquiry or distress for the parents, all those things are | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
outweighed? The mistake was made, he was so keen to get new messages | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
he delighted the old ones. That alerted the family that somebody | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
was tampering with her phone, and it could have been her. Can you | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
imagine yourself doing that in those circumstances at that time? | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
I'm thinking, no I didn't, any way. I'm suggesting did, I'm asking can | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
you imagine yourself doing it, working at the News of the World at | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
that time? I have to say when you're investigating something, and | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
you are really just trying to write the truth about an issue, and you | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
are looking for an exclusive, and if that is available, then, I have | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
been thinking to myself, would I have considered taking information | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
from that, because you have to say it wasn't a staff reporter who did | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
that, it was a PI, who has done it, and then rung up and said this is | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
what's happened. Do I put my fingers in my ears and say please | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
don't tell me. No you don't, you listen. You think that is an | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
interesting lead. But, no, I shouldn't be trying to defend the | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
indefensible, because it is not going to be a very popular position. | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
Let me turn to Alastair Campbell here, how big a deal is this? | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
has become a very big deal T would have been less of a deal if News | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
International from the word go had taken the approach that Paul has | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
taken the whole way through this, which is basically to say, we did | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
terrible things, we accept they are against the law, here we are going | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
to clear it all up. Instead of which, what has happened is the | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
truth has been dragged kicking and screaming, lines have changed every | :12:42. | :12:51. | |
stage of the story. You have had the business willing if away, and | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
the police and the Government willing it away. Some stories have | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
a tipping point, and the Milly Dowler revelations last night is | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
the tipping point. The reason we are sitting talking about it and | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
the newspapers keeping it going and a debate in the Commons tomorrow, | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
is we have reached a tipping point, it is not just about the News of | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
the World, it is about what sort of press, culture it is, and what sort | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
of practices they have indulged in. Considering themselves above the | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
law for some time. You know News International, do you think Rebecca | :13:24. | :13:30. | |
Brooks can survive? It will be difficult, I think in many of the | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
car crash interviews Alan Greenburg did today, he said the difference | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
between Andy Coul so, n and this is the allegations were substantiated, | :13:41. | :13:48. | |
it seems to say if the allegations are substantiated Rebecca will go. | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
It was broadcast earlier this evening that there was no doubt at | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
News International that the story has been substantiated and there | :13:54. | :14:02. | |
may be worse to come. I this from Rebecca's perspective, I will take | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
her at her word she didn't know anything about it. Paul was saying | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
the same thing when Andy Coulson knew nothing about it, and Paul | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
said the whole way along, he sat in the newsroom and saw what went on, | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
and it was industrial, endemic phone hackinging throughout the | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
newsroom. I estimate at least 10% of the population hacked into a | :14:32. | :14:42. | |
phone, your girld friend might have done the same thing. A mother might | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
do that to see what her son has been up to. That has been made | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
illegal, it used to be fair game. We used to sit outside Buckingham | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
Palace listening to Prince Charles talk about ridiculous ideas. It is | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
not just about phone hacking. This debate in the Commons, I hope they | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
talk about the Information Commissioner's report about this | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
relationship between newspapers and private detectives, where there was | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
one report, the Mail made 60 different journalists make | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
different payments to the same private detective. The Observer was | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
on there, we are not just talking about the News of the World. We are | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
talking about a culture, even Paul would accept has got to change. | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
The House of Commons is to hold an emergency debate on the scandal | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
tomorrow, while both main party lead verse wrung their hands today | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
and expressed their horror at what the News of the World is said to | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
have done. The acid test is how far politicians are willing to distance | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
themselves from the paper and the parent company. It is perceived | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
wisdom in politics that you don't win elections without cosying up to | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
Rupert Murdoch's publications. Plenty of politicians clear that | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
not getting up close enough to the sun could cause them to crash and | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
burn. Mrs Thatcher was bathed in a warm appreciative glow, Tony Blair | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
made good relations an absolute priority. Losing the endorsement | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
made Gordon Brown's departure more spectacular. David Cameron, the man | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
he chose to run his press operation was a former News International | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
editor. Want to see this influence in | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
action? Here are some pictures of Tony Blair visiting News | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
International in 1999. Look what happens when he comes across | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
Rebecca Brooks, he gives her a friendly wave, before his minders | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
want to get the cameras to film something else. No, no filming just | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
for a bit. Patrick Diamond was an adviser in | :16:42. | :16:49. | |
Tony Blair's Downing Street. It is inevitable, any Government in the | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
modern age will pay heed to what the media thinks and writes, there | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
will always be a concern with presentation. What matters is | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
policy decisions are taken for the right reasons and the best | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
interests of the country, and not because it seems to be popular with | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
one newspaper or another. There are sensitive policy decisions around | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
the issue of immigration, around the issue of the criminal justice | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
system, and around issues to do with taxation were there has been a | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
feeling that perhaps some newspapers have been too | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
influential n terms of skewing the public debate in particular | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
directions. A generation of Labour MPs were scarred by the way Sun | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
duffed up Neil Kinnock. When Gordon Brown lost the Sun's endorsement in | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
2009, they turned on him. Among other stories they ran a damaging | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
account of his scrawled letter to a mother who lost her son in | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
Afghanistan. For a politician, it is hard to shine when the Sun isn't | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
shining. David Cameron learned the lesson too, the man he appointed to | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
the job of handling his communications was Andy Coulson the | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
editor of the News of the World, who resigned over the phone hacking | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
allegation, while maintaining he was ignorant of the practice. David | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
Cameron is very friendly with News International's chief executive, | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
Rebecca Brooks, sharing a family meal over Christmas last year. | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
Today Mr Cameron said he was appalled by the recent hacking | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
allegations. If they are true, this is a truly dreadful act and a truly | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
dreadful situation. What I have read in the papers is quite | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
shocking. When the new Labour leader, Ed Miliband, was picking a | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
communicatoins chief, he turned from someone from News | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
International, Tom Baldwin, a former Times journalist. According | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
to leaked memo in January, he told Labour MPs not to pick on News | :18:41. | :18:51. | |
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It's not just primes and leaders of the opposition - prime ministers | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
and leaders of the opposition that come into the gravitational pull of | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
News International. Backbench MPs looking to investigate the phone | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
hacking allegations report being gently warned against pushing their | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
inquiries too far. Meanwhile other MPs appear to be on very good terms | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
with the organisation. The Commons culture, media and | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
Sport Select Committee has the job of skrutising the activities of the | :19:23. | :19:31. | |
broadcast - scrutinising the activities of broadcast and media | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
operations. BSkyB sent one politician a check for the Cricket | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
Clbu he supports. It was said this was one of many grants made to | :19:40. | :19:47. | |
grassroots cricket. More than one member of the committee recalls the | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
chairman using their power to stop Rebecca Brooks giving evidence. | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
chair said we have to as a committee to think very carefully | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
before going down that particular road, because there could be | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
consequences for us personally. And all kinds of revelations could be | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
dredged up in terms of our personal life. Almost as revenge for telling | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
Rebecca Brooks to appear against her will. Mr Whitting Dale told | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
Newsnight he was neither warning or passing on a message, just | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
recounting what another MP had told him. He said the severity of the | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
committee's criticism of News International, testifys to his and | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
its independence. Plenty of other news organisations have plenty of | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
links with politician, they wouldn't be doing their job if they | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
didn't. But, the question is, when does contact become pressure, and | :20:36. | :20:46. | |
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when does pressure become sinister. With us knew Chris Blackhurst the | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
new editor. And my other guests. Something you want to clear up | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
first? Your reporter at the top of the story got it slightly wrong. We | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
have a very good story in the Independent tomorrow saying that | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
Rebecca Brooks actually commissioned one of the private | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
detectives herself on a personal matter. Nothing to do with the | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
story. He was the private detective who then went on to provide the | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
paper with the ex-directory number of Milly Dowler's family. What that | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
shows is her claims not to know these people and to be distant from | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
them, really can't stand up. She did contact this bloke, she asked | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
him to look for, something to do with a phone number, he did the job | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
for her. It was something to do with her private life. He then went | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
on later to provide this phone number. | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
How does it strike you as a visitor to these lands a frequent advise to | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
but this whole affair? Well, in many ways it is a universal problem. | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
Because there is a deep mistrust a growing mistrust of the media. | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
Across the Atlantic, as well as here. But the specific problem of | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
actually paying private investigators, to collect | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
information, which is something illegal, to hack, which is | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
something illegal. That is very specific to here. Yes, the National | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
Enquiryer may do it, the Star may do it, but mainstream press should | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
not be able to get away with that. The fact it is going on year, after | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
year, after year, is very significant. What Alastair said is | :22:22. | :22:29. | |
the key, this has reached a tipping point, our splash tomorrow in our | :22:29. | :22:39. | |
:22:39. | :22:42. | ||
inaugural edition will be the back stabs with Rebecca Brooks. These | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
guys have been able to behave in this way because people like you | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
and political parties of the kind you belong to and are still | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
associated with, and indeed the present Government, like to cosy up | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
to them, because they believe they are important, do you accept a | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
degree of blame in this? I accept a degree, but it is overstated. I | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
always think the Sun's influence is overstated. In 1997, the Sun came | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
out for us because they knew we would win. You flew Tony Blair to | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
Australia to speak to Murdoch? To get them on side? Partly about that. | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
Our aim in opposition was to get into Government. That was about | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
reaching through to the public. So an event like that was a bit of a | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
no-brainer for to us do. Where you have a point, Patrick Diamond made | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
a great point in that package. He said, you can have all sorts of | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
relationships with all sorts of people, providing you are making | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
policy judgment ace cord to go what you genuinely believe - according | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
to what you genuinely believe. Tony Blair would sit with Rupert and say | :23:40. | :23:46. | |
that you are mad about Europe. I think the relationship is skewed if | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
they are moving half way across to their ideas. You have the note from | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
Tony Blair after the victory, "thank you for your wonderful | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
support which really did make all the difference"? Tony is a polite | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
kind of chap. The Sun likes winners, the reason they really went for | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
Gordon Brown is because they were desperate for Cameron to win, | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
because that's who they backed, in the end Cameron didn't get the | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
majority. That is the other point, politicians worry far too much | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
about newspapers. That is me saying it, having worried about them in | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
the past, partly because of the changes that the on-line revolution | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
represents, newspapers are becoming less influential. | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
This is an apology for a wasted life, in your case? Not at all, my | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
life was dedicated towards helping the Labour Party get into power, | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
and then staying there. worrying about what the press was | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
saying! Part of the job as press spokesman was to manage the press. | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
Tony Blair's job was to get on and lead the Labour Party. The media | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
thinks everybody sits there only thinking about the media. If you | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
let the media define your reality, you are always making a mistake. | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
What is given different now is managing the press is no longer | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
possible, it is no longer five or six newspaper that is you manage. | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
It is social media everywhere. It is Twitter, it is the Huffington | :25:10. | :25:19. | |
Post. Stop uing ping your - plugging your paper please. | :25:19. | :25:25. | |
What do you make of your relationship? What agree with | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
Alastair is, when he mentioned the Sun, the perception in this country | :25:30. | :25:38. | |
is that the Sun delivered the election,, they had the poster | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
front page the day of Neil Kinnock, I would argue that they had already | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
lost and the clincher was the Sheffield rally the night before. | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
The Sun did not win that election for Labour, sorry, for the Tories. | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
Unfortunately, it has been allowed to grow in the Westminster village | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
and the media village. It is good marketing by the Murdoch people. | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
this a tipping point as far as people's attitudes to the press | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
generally, and to the News International papers in had | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
particular? First of all, I would like to say on behalf of everybody. | :26:14. | :26:21. | |
Don't plug your newspaper, please? All journalists, in the same way | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
not all MPs fiddle their expenses, not all journalists got up to this. | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
On the other hand it is a tipping point. The Milly Dowler thing today, | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
I have never seen anger and fury, and my own wife said, she didn't | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
care too much about Sienna Miller having her phone hacked, but she | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
was livid about Milly Dowler. There is something very profound there. | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
It is this point on the extent of it, the Information Commissioner I | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
mentioned before, he did a report earlier this year, one detective | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
employed by 31 different newspapers, right across the spectrum. Selling | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
them illegally obtained information. That is why this debate tomorrow | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
mustn't just be about News of the World and Rebecca Brooks. Isn't it | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
the extent to which commercial pressures could get the media | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
straight. Once you get organisations like Ford withdrawing | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
their advertising from News of the World, organisations like Tesco, | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
Virgin and various others, thinking about doing so, it is a significant | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
pressure, from ununexpecting source. The reason they are considering | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
withdrawing advertise something partly because of the public | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
outrage. While the public might have been willing to put up | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
celebrities, even the Royal Family, politicians having their phones | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
hacked, they are absolutely outraged it happened to an ordinary | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
family. It means it could happen to them. Also this revolving door that | :27:42. | :27:51. | |
we see here between the News of the World and Number Ten. That is | :27:51. | :27:57. | |
outrageous, have they run out of spin miser, do they have to go to | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
the News of the World. Tonight on Twitter, the spokesman, Greenburg, | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
he was trending, Rebecca Brooks was trending, Glenn Mulcaire was | :28:08. | :28:15. | |
trending, even Rebecca Wade is trending. It is a strand of the | :28:15. | :28:22. | |
public having their say and forcing it and keeping it on the agenda, at | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
that time when the police, the media and the politicians want it | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
to go away. I think the first thing the Prime Minister should say is | :28:30. | :28:36. | |
there will be a full judicial inquiry into the practice. We live | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
in strange age, one of the clinchers today was to hear Mumsnet | :28:40. | :28:47. | |
was up in arms, that is much bigger than Tesco and Ford, Mumsnet. | :28:47. | :28:54. | |
as big as the Huffington Post though! That's enough. Getting on | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
for half the work force at Britain's last remaining train | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
manufacturer will lose their jobs. It follow as Government decision to | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
give the contract to make 1,200 new train carriages to the German firm, | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
Seimens. It is an odd way to show their commitment to manufacturing | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
in Britain. The business secretary said it was vital that Britain | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
retains train making skills. I will be talking to the Transport | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
Secretary in a moment. Just look at this beauty, she's one of thousands | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
of mighty locomotives designed and built at the Derby Work a centre of | :29:34. | :29:44. | |
:29:44. | :29:47. | ||
railway innovation since 1840, the very dawn of the industrial era. | :29:47. | :29:54. | |
Frank Leeming, now a local councillor, became an apresent tis | :29:54. | :30:00. | |
in 1948, aged 15. - an apprentice in 1948, aged 15. I feel extremely | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
proud and think I was part of this at one time, this is my heritage, | :30:04. | :30:12. | |
and I intend to keep it. Machines like this one are a mighty | :30:12. | :30:22. | |
symbol of Britain's once great manufacturing industry. But, as we | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
all know, British manufacturing is not what it used to be. | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
Or at least, that's the conventional wisdom. But the plant | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
here in derby has been at the forefront of innovation in the | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
railway industry. First in the age of steam, then in the diesel | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
revolution and now with high-speed trains. I took Frank back to see | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
how the place has changed since his day. I'm so pleased to see the | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
standard that we are still producing. This is a superb | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
standard, second to none anywhere in the world. Not for much longer, | :30:58. | :31:05. | |
according to the Unite union. Unfortunately this vast engineering | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
work could soon close, Bombardier lost a contract to a German company, | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
Seimens, for a major Government contract to supply trains for the | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
London Thameslink network. It leaves this unique British | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
factory's future uncertain. The company says the loss of the | :31:23. | :31:28. | |
�1.4 billion contract to Seimens, has led to the 1,400 job losses | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
announced today. It says by September just one of its five | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
production lines will be operating. Of course, resuscitating Britain's | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
manufacturing industry has been a key goal of the coalition | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
Government. Remember when Cameron shipped the entire cabinet up to, | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
that's right, Derby. Why? The point of the cabinet today is to ask one | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
fundamental question, what is it that we can do, in Government, to | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
help the economy to rebalance, to grow, and for businesses to start | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
up, to invest and employ people. Here is the Prime Minister in | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
London. My approach is clear, British business should have no | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
more vocal champion than the British Government itself. | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
again. Our economy has become more and more unbalanced, with our | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
fortunes hitched to a few industries in one corner of the | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
country, while we let other sectors, like manufacturing, slide. | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
The Government says that European rules mean it is forced to choose | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
the best value option for tax- payers, regardless of where | :32:31. | :32:38. | |
companies are based. Christian Wolmar is a railway historian and | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
transport export. Most trains for Germany are made in Germany, most | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
trains in France are made in France. Here we follow the rule. How much | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
flexibility does the Government have under European law, could the | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
coalition have awarded the Thameslink contract to this British | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
factory if it wanted. The UK and the authorities that award public | :33:00. | :33:06. | |
authorities in the UK are obsessed with the lowest price, with purely | :33:06. | :33:11. | |
economic criteria for the award of public contracts. In the continent, | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
in Germany, France and other continental countries, they have a | :33:14. | :33:21. | |
more relaxed and flexible opportunity to incorporate | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
socioeconomic criteria, taking into influence how public service | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
contracts are award. The decision has angered workers | :33:30. | :33:37. | |
here. These workers have a century- long commitment to the plant. | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
was a massive disappointment, for the town it was horrendous. This | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
plant is Britain's last toe hold in the railway industry. If it goes, | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
the chances are this country will never build another train. | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
With us now is the Transport Secretary, Philip Hammond. How much | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
money was saved by giving the contract to Germany rather han | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
having it made at the Bombardier plant - than having it made at the | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
Bombardier plant? It is not about money saved, it is complying with | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
the legal requirements under. there any money saved? The Seimens | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
proposal represented better value for money. By how much? When | :34:18. | :34:24. | |
measured in terms that were set out in the original procurement. By how | :34:24. | :34:30. | |
much? I can't tell you that. Do you know? Of course I know, it is | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
commercially confidential, and under the terms of the procurement | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
I can't sit on the programme and talk about the terms of the two | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
bids. Have you considered the cost of the unemployment? The terms of | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
the procurement were set out by the previous Government in 2008Er | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
Passing the buck? I'm explaining how the system works. What the guy | :34:51. | :34:58. | |
said on there is perfectly true, it is OK to add in socioeconomic | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
factors, but it has to be at the time you have the procurement. | :35:03. | :35:09. | |
Labour didn't do that in 2008. If we had decided, as some people have | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
urged us, to simply ignore the terms of the procurement that | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
Labour set out, and to award the contract to an underbidder, first | :35:16. | :35:23. | |
of all, we would face legal action from the successful bidder. | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
Secondly, under terms of the EU remedies directive, we would very | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
likely be prevented by legal intervention from signing a | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
contract any way. Why is it that the German and French Governments | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
are able to ensure that their trains are made largely in their | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
own country, and you appear to be incapable of doing so? It is a very | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
good question, and Vince Cable and I wrote to the Prime Minister the | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
week before last. That is after the event? Following the announcement | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
on Bombardier, wrote to the Prime Minister. After the event? And said, | :35:53. | :36:00. | |
that we need now to look at how we operate within...Did You say, I'm | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
sorry Prime Minister, we made a mistake? We followed the rules. | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
have just admitted you made a mistake? I'm talking about any new | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
procurements that we specify, we need to look very carefully at how | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
our competitors in Europe, also operating within the same EU | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
procurement law, can manage to achieve the outcomes they do. | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
question is how can they do it so much better than you can? | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
answer is, right up front, when they set out the rirms of the | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
contract, they set out how - requirements of the contract, they | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
set out how it will be evaluated, they include the socioeconomic | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
factors that the expert just talked about. And we don't? In this | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
particular contract there was no reference to the socioeconomic | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
issues, so we couldn't. So it is a bunch of civil servants that | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
doesn't give a dam about the consequences, someone is | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
responsible? It is about the culture around Civil Service | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
procurement in Britain, we have to look at it. Other countries put | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
much more emphasis on the strategic impact of procurement. What it does | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
to the long-term supply base in their own domestic economy. We have | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
suggested to the Prime Minister, that we need to look at how we can | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
make sure that in future procurements, we also give | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
appropriate weight to that long- term strategy. | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
You are a member of the cabinet what do you think of Rupert Murdoch | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
being able to take over the whole of Sky, given what we have seen | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
over the News of the World's behaviour? I think the two things | :37:35. | :37:43. | |
are separate issues. The issues around the BSkyB bid are issues of | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
plurality in the media. It is about the undertakings being given there. | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
What has happened in the News of the World, if it is true, as the | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
Prime Minister said, it is completely inexcusable, that is a | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
separate issue. To another, once great industrial | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
city, which has fallen victim to official incompetence and broken | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
promises, it is Stoke-on-Trent. The issue is not jobs but houses. When | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
we all lived in Gordon Brown's fantasy Government, the Labour | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
Government made vast commitments to those living in sub-standard | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
housing. Then came economic reality and budget cuts from the coalition. | :38:19. | :38:26. | |
As a consequence, the citizens of Stoke, the promise of improvement | :38:26. | :38:36. | |
has ruined their lives. Pauline and Barbara live on New Port Lane, | :38:36. | :38:41. | |
nobody else does. Mark and Sharon's home is falling down, it is the | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
last one on the block. Natalie lives on a street plaged by crime. | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
This is Stoke-on-Trent, once an industrial heartland, its heart has | :38:50. | :38:56. | |
been ripped out. Hundreds of terraces have been | :38:56. | :39:05. | |
demolished, hundreds more stand derelict, all because of a scheme | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
called Pathfinder. Doreen lived at the end. Gina. Doreen had only just | :39:09. | :39:16. | |
spent a load of money on her house. Where are they all now? The answer | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
is rehoused, for some evicted, the promise was new homes would be | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
built here. Where is the new houses? We haven't got any. Why? | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
want to know why. They won't invest. They have no money they say. I know | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
they have more money, it is for private buyers, they won't invest | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
anything. We have had things put in the paper who they are going to | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
build, and it hasn't materialised. House building has stopped, | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
demolition is delayed, what was supposed to be the planned | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
regeneration of a community has turned into a nightmare. We have | :39:54. | :40:02. | |
been degenerated, not regenerated. We used to be a community, right | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
Pauline. We had our own shops. had a butcher's, a grocer's, we got | :40:07. | :40:14. | |
the club. We want it back as a community. We | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
want some life into the place. Instead of rats running all over | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
the place. Do you think you will live to see this place come back as | :40:23. | :40:31. | |
a community? No. No. Definitely not. There is no community left. This is | :40:31. | :40:37. | |
no story of gradual decline. It is a story of a master plan. Of social | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
engineering, of spending cuts, and a broken promise. Stoke was already | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
in trouble, thousands of pottery jobs were moved offshore. Property | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
values had collapsed, even as, in the rest of Britain, a property | :40:52. | :41:01. | |
boom took off. That made Stoke an ideal candidate for Pathfinder. In | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
2003, Labour's deputy Prime Minister, John Prescott, launched | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
the Pathfinder plan, 90,000 terraced house, in seven cities, | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
would be cleared and replaced with new-build housing, thousands more | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
would be renovated, property values would rise. But last October, the | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
coalition, which had always opposed the scheme, cancelled it. The | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
promised homes will not be built, Pathfinder is over. But not for | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
those who still have to live in the middle of all this. | :41:32. | :41:41. | |
It is not nice, it looks dead rough. You look like you are living here | :41:41. | :41:51. | |
:41:51. | :41:51. | ||
on your own, there is no-one here. This couple have been trying to | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
move, but are stuck? Crime is through the roof. It is scary to | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
live here. We have to leave the lights on in the house all the time. | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
Even throughout the night so people know we're still in here, if you | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
smell smoke you instantly think next door is on fire, they are | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
setting fire to every empty house, it is not being dealt with at all. | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
It is constant fear of what could happen. So nobody lives here? | :42:17. | :42:26. | |
are people on both sides that live in this. Brendan Nevin is a housing | :42:26. | :42:32. | |
expert who helped implement the Pathfinder he is scheme. He thinks | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
it is putting lives at risk. This was sealed up only last week. That | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
is an arson risk. There is somebody living next door. Somebody lives | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
there. If they get in, if somebody gets in there and torches that, | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
these people are in real trouble. Clearance areas are fundamentally | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
dangerous people and they need to be got down very, very quickly. | :42:54. | :43:01. | |
Even if we can't rehouse people and rebuild things, why can't we get | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
the last people out and make it safe. At the moment there is no | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
money to buy people out, the money was cut off on 1st April, there | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
used to be money to manage and clean these place, that money is | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
gone. The scheme was scrapped eight years in to a 15-year agreement. | :43:17. | :43:23. | |
Those who drew the blueprints assumed even if the coalition | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
scrapped the scheme existing commitments would be met? We have | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
no plan or guidance, we have been left to our own devices with the | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
money pulled at short notice. has now �5 million to put the | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
scheme to rest. After that it will rely on market forces. There is | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
always consensus between political parties that you have to finish | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
things that have been started, even though the policy has to change. | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
There was a consensus to make sure no place was left to die, and no | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
place where the market wouldn't work. We have abandoned that now. | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
There seems to be an explicit policy whereby places will live or | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
die by the market. This is a massive change in British political | :44:03. | :44:12. | |
history. Where it was done with foresight, Pathfinder worked, this | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
council estate used to be one of the roughest in Britain. It was | :44:15. | :44:23. | |
plaged with vandalism, dodgy pubs and crime. But Maggie Carter sorted | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
that out, she was part of a community group that helped shape | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
the Pathfinder group on the ground. There was apathy, but once people | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
realised they weren't going to be trodden on but they were going to | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
be talked to and consulted with, they started to come out and get on | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
board. Here the rebuilding was done within a short time scale. The | :44:46. | :44:52. | |
result, new and refurbished homes, on the site of previously sub- | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
standard ones. Was it ever in the back of your mind what happens if | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
the money runs out? Yes. thought about it? Yes. Why didn't | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
the people planning Stoke think about it? I don't know. | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
But, with the money gone, she's worried that even here, progress | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
could be reversed. I'm not as stupid as to say things couldn't go | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
back to what they were, because I am aware that we are on a knife | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
edge. Do you mean socially, in terms of crime and drugs. Yeah. | :45:22. | :45:32. | |
:45:32. | :45:33. | ||
Even here. Hanly, in Stoke, was where Arnold | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
Bennett chronicled the life of the potters. They are now a few niche | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
business, many remember the hey day. At the community centre they are | :45:42. | :45:50. | |
trying to keep things jolly. But this is the last bingo session. Lee, | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
the community worker, employed under the Pathfinder scheme, is to | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
lose his job, the money has run out. Personally I think we should have | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
taken a section, demolished and rebuilt it. The people who still | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
lived here could have moved on into those properties and continued in | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
that way. Build and move, build and move process. Anybody you may speak | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
to today would say that to you. That's where we feel it has gone | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
wrong slightly. They have demolished and not built, so people | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
are stuck. It has split the community. | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
Pathfinder was supposed to revive places like this, now, in 12 cities | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
across the Midlands and the north of England, the scheme is winding | :46:37. | :46:45. | |
up. Communities are left high and dry. | :46:45. | :46:52. | |
What haepsd here is a disSASer - what's happened here is a disaster, | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
one charge levied is a Labour Government that refused to listen | :46:57. | :47:03. | |
to local people. The other is spite, many believe the coalition doesn't | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
care what happens to the blighted cities of the Midlands and the | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
north. The council, the Government would they like to live in the mess | :47:11. | :47:17. | |
we are living in. You feel like a secondhand citizen. | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
Beyond the distress and poverty, on these streets, what's left of them, | :47:22. | :47:29. | |
is a deep distrust, never again will the words "rebegin "and | :47:29. | :47:39. | |
:47:39. | :47:56. | ||
"renewal" mean - "regeneration" and No time for the newspapers tonight, | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
apparently, we have delighted you long enough, see you tomorrow, time | :48:01. | :48:11. | |
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The last vestiges of heat have now drained away from eastern England, | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
it is a cooler outlook, with a number of heavy showers around. | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
Persistent rain across Scotland. Elsewhere, with a chance of saying | :48:40. | :48:46. | |
something in the way of sunshine. Sharpish showers scattered around. | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
Rattling around on a stiff breeze in the southern half of the UK. | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
Cooler than Tuesday. We are stuck in the high teens, probably not | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
that high across parts of the South-West, where the wind will | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
freshen up, bringing heavy, squally showers as we end the day across | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
Devon and Cornwall and the south west. The limited brightness to the | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
east of the month tains, not a friendly day. | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
Across Northern Ireland, some sunshine, heavy showers, light | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
winds here, those showers could linger for a while. Persistently | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
wet scene across a good chunk of central Scotland where there could | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
be over an inch of rain. Further showers to come widely across | :49:27. | :49:29. | |
northern parts of the UK on Wednesday and Thursday. Difficult | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
to pin down the detail, but very few places staying entirely dry, it | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
will be cool, further south, some sunshine, but showers never too far | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
away. Temperatures a lot lower than we saw to start the week. This is | :49:43. | :49:47. |