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There will be a public inquiry into how and why the News of the World | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
hacked into people's phone messages. It reflect as rising tide of public | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
outrage, and tonight it got worse. The families of soldiers killed in | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
Afghanistan have been told it may have happened to them as well. | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
I feel so appalled by what has happened, murder victims, terrorist | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
victims, who have had their phones hacked is quite disgraceful. With | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
the biggest press scandals in modern times getting worse by the | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
day, I am afraid he hasn't shown the leadership necessary today. | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
Even Rupert Murdoch claims to be scandalised by what his people did, | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
yet he also affirms his support for the woman who was his editor and is | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
now his chief executive. What is to be done with an organisation which | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
treats common humanity and the law with equal contempt. Is the British | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
public, in a fit of morality, in any state to make judgment about | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
the limits of journalism. Also tonight, Richard Watson learns from | :01:03. | :01:09. | |
a former member of the News of the World team, how his paper bought | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
policemen. That would be the favourite rendezvous point where | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
the policeman or contributor would drive in, the person would go up | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
get into the car and hand over the envelope. Everyone knows fid fillia | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
is an international crime, but Interpol has said Britain is | :01:29. | :01:37. | |
failing to track down paedophiles. Are we more content with ourselves?, | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
this man thinks the answer is yes, and David Cameron is listening to | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
him. There hasn't been a wave of moral | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
outrage like it for years. Today as it emerged that even families of | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
some of the victims of the July London bombings, six years ago, had | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
their phones hacked, the tide of resentment towards the News of the | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
World grew even stronger. They found out about it last night. The | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
anniversary of the bombings is tomorrow. Just before we came on | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
air, news that families of men killed in Afghanistan have been | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
warned they may have been hacked. Even Rupert Murdoch affected to be | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
shocked, there was universal condemnation in parliament, and | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
such public hostility that a shrew of companies are pulling their | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
advertising. First tonight, Michael Crick reports. | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
This morning's front page headlines foretold what many MPs are saying | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
tonight was a big, big day in British politics. | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
Indeed, it was. It was the day when we may have seen significant tweaks | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
in the way in which power is distributed in this country. When | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
politicians asserted themselves over the media. With MPs, not just | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
crying halt, to the practices of tabloid journalist, but also crying | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
halt to the expansion of the Murdoch empire. | :02:57. | :03:04. | |
Day when backbenchers took the initiative, rather than ministers. | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
And also, almost incidently, the day when Ed Miliband finally | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
stamped his mark as Labour Party leader. | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
At Question Time David Cameron announced there would be an inquiry, | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
maybe two inquiries. But thepm seemed rattled at times. And Ed | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
Miliband judged the mood rather better. With the biggest press | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
scandal in modern times getting worse by the day, I'm afraid he | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
hasn't shown the leadership necessary today. He hasn't shown | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
the leadership necessary on BSkyB, he hasn't shown the leadership | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
necessary on News International. Isn't it the case f the public is | :03:38. | :03:44. | |
to have confidence in him, he has to calm the thing that is most | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
difficult, he has to accept he made a catastrophic error of judgment by | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
bringing Andy Coulson into the heart of his Downing Street machine. | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
I take full responsibility for everyone I employ, for everyone I | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
appoint, and I take responsibility for everything my Government does. | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
What this Government is doing is making sure that the fact the | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
public, and I feel, so appalled by what has happened, murder victims, | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
terrorist victims, who have had their phones hacked is quite | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
disgraceful. That is why it is important there is a full police | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
investigation w all the powers that they need. That's why it is | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
important we have sthos inquiries to get to the bottom of what - | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
those inquiries to get to the bottom of what went wrong. We also | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
need to inquire how to improve the ethics and morals of in this | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
country make sure they improve for the future. That is what needs to | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
be done, that is what this Government is doing, and we don't | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
have to take lectures from him about it. Today's emergency debate | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
began with a powerful speech from the Labour MP who has called it. | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
have let one man have far too great a sway over our national life. At | :04:54. | :05:02. | |
least Beryl's Last Year lives in Italy, but Murdoch - Berlussconi | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
lives in Italy, but Murdoch lives here but pays his tax elsewhere. No | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
country would allow him to have a monoply on sports rights and news | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
and movies. America, the home of the aggressive entrepreneur doesn't | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
allow it, we shouldn't. There was much on Murdoch's British | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
Lieutenant, Rebekah Brooks, and Andy Coulson, the former News of | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
the World editor, who quit in January as David Cameron's chief | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
spin doctor. It is now reported police have e- | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
mails showing Coulson knew of illegal payments to police officers. | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
Was Andy Coulson aware of this, and did he tell either the Prime | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
Minister, or anyone else in Number Ten about these e-mails? Because if | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
he did, it would mean the Prime Minister and members of the | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
Government would have been aware of this information before the | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
Metropolitan Police. It is important that the Prime Minister | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
provide some immediate answers in response to this question. Only a | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
couple of Tories were willing to come to the aid of Murdoch's people. | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
I have to say that the relish with which the revelations have been | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
greeted by some, seeking to take on the Murdoch empire, or engaging in | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
political pot shots, strikes me as opportunistic to say the least. | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
other big issue, should, or could, the Culture Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
delay his decision on whether Murdoch's News Corporation can take | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
over the whole of BSkyB. Given that there is clear evidence of serious | :06:36. | :06:42. | |
criminality on the part of some people at News International, of in | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
any event, without necessarily referring it to the Competition | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
Commission, to calling a pause, pending further evidence. | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
Ministers said today that legally they couldn't pause, or block the | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
BSkyB takeover, on the grounds of the phone hacking scandal. But it | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
seems that Jeremy Hunt is likely to take his time now in considering | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
the more than 40,000 responses there have been to his latest | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
consultation exercise on the takeover. Another idea much mooted | :07:15. | :07:23. | |
by MPs, is that the regulator, Ofcom, could perhaps decide, that | :07:23. | :07:29. | |
News Corporation weren't now fit and... | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
There is some technical problem with that, we can approach the | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
subject in a lively fashion because we contacted 24 News International | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
journalists today, asking them to defend their employers, not a | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
single one of them wanted to talk to us tonight. However, we did | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
strike lucky on number 25, with Bill Emmott, former editor of the | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
Economist, not staffer there, but as a freelanceer writes columns for | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
the Times, we are ajoined by Simon Hughes, the Liberal Democrat, and | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
Conservative backbencher and barrister, Anna Soubry. | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
You are embarrassed with this title now? I would be more embarrassed if | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
I was with News of the World or the other tabloid papers. There are | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
some issues here, one the legality, the police not investigating, the | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
relationship with politics at the top of these organisations, and at | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
the top of politics, and then the fact that this is not going to be | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
limited to the News of the World, I'm afraid. We need to explore it, | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
what's going on in other tabloids as well. You are not ashamed to be | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
working for News International, given what's being revealed? I am | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
ashamed by what is going on in News of the World, absolutely, I'm | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
ashamed of any organisation that does. That I write columns for them | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
on an independent basis. But if they refuse to carry on a proper | :08:55. | :09:01. | |
investigation of this, if they refuse to really sort this out, | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
obviously anyone like me has to consider their position of writing | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
for such an organisation, absolutely. Simon Hughes, do you | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
believe that Rupert Murdoch is embarrassed and finds the whole | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
thing deplorable? He has be hugely embarrassed. The problem for him is | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
this has been visible, increasingly, for five years. I was interviewed | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
in the autumn of 2006, the trial happened at the beginning of 2007, | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
the issue, therefore, was on their agenda, on Rupert Murdoch ace | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
agenda since then. It is all very well now this set of revelations | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
coming daily to show her collaborating fully, as they are | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
since the beginning of the year. This is clearly been something on | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
their watch. As was rightly said, not only on their watch, many other | :09:46. | :09:54. | |
tabloid papers too, four years with police connivance. It reflects very | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
badly on your leader's judgment, that he was prepared to take into | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
the heart of Government a man so intimately involved in practices | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
like this, I refer to Andy Coulson? I know who you refer to, I don't | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
think that is fair. It was only until today that there was | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
revelations about e-mails and his possible knowledge. Because, of | :10:16. | :10:23. | |
course, he had always denied knowing anything about what | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
happened before becoming editor. He always said that. I'm assuming that | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
the Prime Minister asked him and he made it clear that he didn't know | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
anything about it, so on that basis, he was taken on. But, of course, he | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
then left. So the Prime Minister was just | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
naive was he? I don't think he was naive, I don't know. All I can | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
assume is that what the Prime Minister did was that he asked him, | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
and he gave him assurances, and what more can you do if you take | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
somebody on their word. But actually I don't think that's the | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
big issue by any means. I think the two issues which we have already | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
identified are obviously how News of the World and other newspapers | :11:04. | :11:12. | |
have operated, since at least 2002, and of course, the role notably of | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
the Met, and I'm afraid the police are coming out of this extremely | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
badly. We will explore some of the issues for the police shortly. | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
Firstly, on this question of who is to carry the can for this, can | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
Rebekah Brooks survive? We're both lawyers and people have to have | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
something proved against them, Andy Coulson left his job at the News of | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
the World, because on his watch it was proved that somebody had been | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
doing guilty practices, and he went from that job. If it is proved that | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
other people, and I know other people have been arrested, if it is | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
proved that other people were acting, and Rebekah, as the editor, | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
was aware of that, she clearly is going to be culpable. The good | :11:55. | :12:01. | |
thing about the new investigation s that, again, because I know from | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
the interviews I have had with the police, they are investigating much | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
more widely. They have to look at not just the people who went out to | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
do the job, but the people who commissioned them, collected the | :12:12. | :12:19. | |
benefit of that job, or who knew about it. Do you think this time | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
they get might - might get it right? I think their reputation is | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
at stake. The new Met Commissioner has to realise he has to rescue the | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
reputation of his force. What is your judgment, do you think Rebekah | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
Brooks will survive? I'm ashamed she has not resigned already. I | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
agree legally with Simon. We can't, as it were, demand for her to be | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
hanged and drawn and quartered immediately, she should have | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
resigned. You would have resigned Jeremy, I would have resigned. | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
would have resigned if it happened in the Economist. No doubt about it. | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
Given what Tom Watson said today, on the basis of what he said in his | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
speech is accurate, and nobody has said it is accurate, then, that is, | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
this is so devastating against her. Because, of course, his allegation | :13:10. | :13:20. | |
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is that she was, can we say it. was all under parliamentary | :13:20. | :13:27. | |
privilege? I will say then if what he said is true it is devastating. | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
The press have been drinked at what is called the last chance saloon | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
for 20 years now, what can a public inquiry do? Firstly, you have to | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
choose somebody who is entirely separate from all the sorts of | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
investigations, that does mean a judge. Some colleagues were making | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
the point, a judge not a member of a Masonic lodge, or the golf group, | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
not part of the network of people, where police chief officers, | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
somebody who can all for evidence, insisting people answer, and who | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
has entire independence and reputation, that has to be the way | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
forward. I think it is certainly a question now of how you negotiate | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
the terms of reference for that inquiry, and then separately the | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
inquiry to do with the police. you have faith into inquiries into | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
the way the press works? No, the key point of the inquiry should be | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
into the police, actually. It is the relationship between the police | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
and the press that an inquiry could expose, the press, no. I think that | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
the press, I'm afraid, have shown a willful disregard for legality, for | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
morality, for integrity, they deserve almost everything they can | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
get. As a defender of freedom of speech, I can't say I want | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
statutory regulation, of course I don't, but, they have laughed at | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
self-regulation. It has proved to be farcical, absolutely farcical. | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
And I know that when I introduced my Private Members Bill, it was | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
with a heavy heart, I would much rather that the press regulated | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
themselves properly and responsibly. But unfortunately, time and time | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
again, they have shown that they absolutely cannot. I truthfully | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
don't know what the answer to that is. If criminal offences were | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
committed here, the law is already adequate? The police are the | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
problem, the police should be enforcing the law, they are not, | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
because they are being bribed by the press. The Information | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
Commissioner produced a very robust report in 2006, that categorised | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
thousands of breaches by a whole stream of titles. On many | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
newspapers? Many newspapers. Again what was said in parliament today, | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
I appreciate I can't repeat it, if again that was true, the way that | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
the police have behaved, their failure in the face of clear | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
perversions of the course of public justice, and other criminal | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
offences, their failure to investigate and prosecute that, | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
should cause us all really concern. What is your reading of the public | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
mood. Clearly, advertisers are, many advertisers are saying, our | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
customers are saying don't have anything to do with this title, | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
which Murdoch will really care about, because it will have a | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
commercial consequence. Is your feeling that the public will start | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
boycotting this title or what? that is my view. But they buy it in | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
such a large numbers, it is such a successful product? It is, but I | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
think what has happened is so appalling, so obscene, for all the | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
reasons that are absolutely obvious, I think there is going to be a mood | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
swing against the News of the World, and indeed, if they are not careful, | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
other newspapers that begin, as they have done for a long time, | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
overstep the line like this. Other newspapers unthe same title that | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
have hardly reported the events of the last few days. That is the | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
thing to me that would be brilliant, said that in the House today. On | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
Sunday, almost nobody bought the News of the World, that is the real | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
indictment. I think the big thing that has changed, I said from the | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
beginning, if it was a matter of politicians and the Royal Family | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
and celebrities, bluntly that was a pretty limited interest group, once | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
it started being something that "ordinary people" were aware of, | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
then it became important. We never expected it to be in the category | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
we are in now, which is ordinary people at their most vulnerable. | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
What is your reading of it, as a veteran newspaper man what do you | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
think will be the consequences? think the consequences will be a | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
huge call for statutory regulation of the press. I am afraid I'm | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
cynical about the public's ability to call for this, I think that they | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
will boycott the News of the World for a week and then start buying it | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
the week after. I think publicly, politically, in the rest of the | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
media, there is going to be such a furore about this, it will be very | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
hard to stave off much tougher regulation of what we do. That is a | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
terrible turn of events. Our guest here, Simon Hughes, | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
claimed today that there was endemic corruption in the police | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
because of the way that the News of the World paid money to officers. | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
The commissioner of the Metropolitan Police says evidence | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
from the paper suggests that what he called a "small number "of | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
police officers were involved. The arguments about how widespread | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
it was are raging. But how was it done. | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
One for Richard Watson. The sometimes shadowy relationship | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
between police officers and journalists now centre stage in the | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
phone hacking scandal. News International confirmed payments | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
were made by News of the World for access to confidential information | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
yesterday. Now we have been told how they did it. | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
Our source, who has had sight of the evidence, tells us that the | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
Metropolitan Police have now identified three or four officers, | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
who were paid by News of the World. We are told the sums of money | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
involved are tens of thousands of pounds. Paid by one or two senior | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
journalists, and the transactions were known about by one or two | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
senior managers. Tonight, we reveal the extraordinary tactic used by | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
the police officers to cover their tracks. | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
Corrupt officers face a big problem, checks on telephone numbers, | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
addresses or criminal records made for a journalist paying them cash, | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
leave an electronic audit trail, which could be used to expose them | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
later on. A former News of the World insider told us how they got | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
around it. We have agreed to protect his identity, because he | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
now works undercover. The rules they came up with, is they signed | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
up certain journalists within the organisation as confidential police | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
informants, and they went through the whole charade of signing them | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
up. They would be assigned code names, pseudonyms, and that would | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
be registered as a confidential al, reliable police source. When they | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
carried out the converting of a name and address into a phone | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
number or visa versa, they would tap into the system, information | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
received from X, Frank, Jim, reliable informant, that this | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
person is dealing in drugs and using this phone number. We | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
converted the phone number to find out what the address was, or to | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
find out what the phone number was that he was dealing with. | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
perfect cover? Yeah. This account has been confirmed by a second | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
source, this time a former senior policeman from the Met, who used to | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
work in the anti-corruption unit. He told us setting up bogus | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
informant accounts was one of the best ways of concealing corruption. | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
Other cases of real concern are emerging, detectives examining | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
phone hacking evidence, part of Operation Weeting, have contacted | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
the family of one of those murdered in the London bombings in 2005. | :20:32. | :20:40. | |
of my clients, whose number has been confirmed, was an ex-directory | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
landline. At the time of the bombings, the families were giving | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
every phone number they had to the police, in the hope that they would | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
get a phone call to give them some news. So, you have to ask yourself, | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
where on earth this journalist has got an ex-directory landline number | :20:58. | :21:06. | |
from. The conclusion, I know, a lot of people are drawing at the moment, | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
is it must have come from the police. In an exchange with MPs in | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
2003, which now looks remarkably frank, the then editor of the Sun, | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
Rebekah Brooks, admitted sometimes money changed hands. We have paid | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
the police for information in the past. Rebekah Brooks is now chief | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
executive of News International. Her boss, Rupert Murdoch, said | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
phone hacking and police payments had been deplorable and | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
unacceptable, but he backed her today. One source told me that News | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
International have passed the point of any resistance, and are passing | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
all incriminating documents to the police. Our former journalist | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
contact explained just how rife paying policemen had become. If you | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
look along Wapping highway, going towards Limehouse, pass the plant, | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
there is a drive-in McDonald's, that would be the favourite point | :21:56. | :22:03. | |
where the police officer or contributor would pull in, and the | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
pulling in and handing over envelopes. If a police officer | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
releases confidential information to a journalist for money, that | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
police officer is corrupt and he should be dismissed immediately and | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
face a trial. There is no argument about it. One more development | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
tonight, we have just been told that another person, only | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
peripherally connected to the 7/7 bombings, who gave their number to | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
the police, was also targeted. This is fuelling suspicion that an | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
entire list of phone number was sold. | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
With us is the former Metropolitan Police commander, and Bob Milton, | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
and the former deputy Prime Minister, John Prescott. Are you | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
familiar with this technique for money changing hands? It sounds | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
very familiar to the way that we would actually handle informants | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
within the police service, the same methodology is being used. How | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
protect the identity of an informant, it sounds exactly the | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
same. Whoever has put the system in place, seemed to have a knowledge | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
of how to run covert sources. Prescott, when you look at this | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
scandal, are you embarrassed by the way your party kosied up to News | :23:12. | :23:21. | |
International? There was far too much cosying up to News | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
International by all the parties, I used to complain about it in | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
Government. Perhaps people think these guys are important to winning | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
an election, I didn't hold that view. Anybody with a special | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
relationship with Murdoch and his operation should be ashamed of it. | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
Anybody? This guy just used people, that's clear. He used people, he | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
used the reporters to get the information he wanted, for | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
exclusive stories. We now know it is criminal acts. We know they are | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
involved in payments to the police. I have to say this issue was being | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
managed since 2006, when Mr Murdoch comes in and tells us we are now | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
going to be transparent, that was in January, when he apologised. Now | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
we have a situation where they are giving us the prime ministers to | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
the police issue. That must have been available, and has been | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
available for years. So it was a mistake, for your party to get so | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
close to Murdoch? Individuals get close to them. Murdoch only invites | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
the top crowd. I had an invitation, I didn't go, I have never been to | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
one of his things. The other thing raised is the question of the | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
behaviour of the police, these police investigations have been | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
pathetic and utter failures so far, why is that? I have no idea, I have | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
no inside information on this, there is a number of reasons it | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
could be, one just simply poor judgment. Not an understanding of | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
how serious this matter was, a cursory investigation, poorly done, | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
and dismissed, it is not until now we realise how serious this is. | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
This is a very bad day for the Metropolitan Police Service, it is | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
a bad day for the press and it is an even worse day for the victims | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
of terrorism, and serious crime, and the families of soldiers who | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
have lost their lives. I cannot stress how saddened I am by the | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
performance of the Metropolitan Police on this. For someone for | :25:05. | :25:13. | |
years who has been trying to get out of there that my phone has been | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
hacked. It is charityability, and I understand why you are saying it, | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
on the one hand it is because they felt there was so many things to | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
investigate, they came together with the Crown Prosecution Service | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
in correspondence with me, and say we have come to an agreement, as | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
long as we have two that is it. There was sacks of evidence. The | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
real offence was to say there is no evidence of you being hacked at all. | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
It took a commission Tory come along and say they were wrong. It | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
was complete lie in which the police were involved, the press | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
were involved, and the Crown Prosecution Service were co- | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
operating. I don't know what information they had, more | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
information seems to have been coming out all the time. | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
Particularly this latest information concerning payments to | :25:51. | :25:57. | |
police officers. I thought it was the job of the police to get out | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
the information? When did the latest information come out | :26:01. | :26:07. | |
concerning payments to policemen, just recently. If has been | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
available for - It has been available for a while. In January | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
they said they would co-operate, and the information was available | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
then. They are always doing robust informations and then they find | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
bait more information further on. That is more criminal. Do you have | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
any confidence in the new police investigation? Yes I do. | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
Commissioner Hague came to me and said I know you have been pressing | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
for years about it, I know they have denationwide it, I have to go | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
to a judicial review to do something about T I have to tell | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
you straight away that you have had 44 messages, I believe this woman | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
is making a difference. We have only got that because the police | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
know they have to clear this mess up. From your experience of the | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
police, that is what makes the difference, an investigation is | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
prosecuted thoroughly, when the police believe they are under some | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
pressure to do so? That is not true. The investigation is prioritised. | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
They made a very poor judgment, lack of political nouse, lack of | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
understanding, exactly what was under this investigation. That was | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
the problem. I think now, and I agree with Lord Prescott, I think | :27:14. | :27:16. | |
there will be a very fiery investigation now. Perhaps one that | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
should have happened in the past. One very important difference, when | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
I saw judicial review, it did mean the police would have to go and | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
explain why they did or why they did not. It was the court that then | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
the police realised they could no longer hide behind this story of | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
one rogue reporter, they would have to actually clear it up in a | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
judicial review. Don't forget, my first judicial review was turned | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
down, why? Because the police at the time and Mr Yeats reviews today | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
tell them they had found all the information for the new inquiry. | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
Michael Crick was rudely interrupted in telling us the Tory | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
of the day, he joins us now. What is the latest? Ofcom I believe? | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
of the big questions today is whether, as well as Jeremy Hunt, | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
perhaps referring the BSkyB takeover to the Competition | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
Commission, the other possibility for blocking the BSkyB takeover | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
might be if Ofcom, the broadcast regulator, were to come out and | :28:17. | :28:23. | |
decide that in the light of events, News Corporation weren't fit and | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
proper people to hold a TV license. The way things are at the moment, | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
it is looking pretty unlikely that will happen in the near future. He | :28:31. | :28:39. | |
they came out today and said they were monitoring events. It has | :28:39. | :28:47. | |
emerged the relatives of dead servicemen serving in Afghanistan | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
and they have been told their phones may have been hacked. The | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
Chancellor, George Osborne, has come out tonight and said he had | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
been told that his phone number had been on the list of Glenn Mulcaire. | :28:59. | :29:05. | |
There is no evidence his phone had been hacked. It was George Osborne | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
who persuaded David Cameron to take on Andy Coulson as the main spin | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
doctor. It was the Government's position that they were consulting | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
all regulatory authorities, they have said this since March, | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
including Ofcom. When I wrote two nights to Ofcom, delivered it at | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
midnight, the responsibilities extend to investigating privacy | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
allegations, interference, invasion of privacy. Why are you not giving | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
that advice to the Government, and the Government's now opened the | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
second inquiry, to end on the 8th of July, the second consultation | :29:34. | :29:43. | |
period. I hope, and I said to them, I'm wade waiting for his - waiting | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
for his reply. They have a responsibility to report on these | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
people bidding whether or not they interfere on privacy. It has been | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
done on a large scale, it is about time they got involved. | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
Somewhere mixed up in the origins of this sordid affair it what was | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
said to be a campaign by the News of the World against paedophiles. | :30:02. | :30:09. | |
Newsnight has learned that for all the campaigns there remain as | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
failure in the way it was dealt with, for every image of child | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
abuse, a crime has been committed somewhere. Interpol has told us | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
that Britain is sliding down the league of countries who are finding | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
the criminals, because we have no central database to store the | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
information on. We have asked an investigation. Some of the content | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
of this report is disturbing. For over 20 years I have worked in the | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
field of child protection, 12 years as a police detective. The British | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
police are quite good as investigating and prosecuting those | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
who distribute indecent images of children. But I believe they are | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
failing to do enough to identify victims, I think they can do better. | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
Maybe we can learn from other international law enforcement | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
investigations. I have come to the headquarters of Interpol in Lyon in | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
France. The task is to help police combat international crime at | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
Interpol. They maintain a variety of international databases, | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
including fingerprints, missing persons and stolen passports. | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
I'm here at the command and Coordination Centre. Officers here | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
track an incidents happening all around the world. We can see how | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
busy it is from this map, ranging from bombings, abduction and | :31:28. | :31:33. | |
kidnaps of children, even piracy. They can cross reference against | :31:33. | :31:38. | |
photos and DNA on known criminals. What is important to me, is | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
rescuing children who have been sexually abused, that is why I'm | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
here. Interpol have a dedicated team that helps to identify and | :31:46. | :31:52. | |
rescue children whose images and videos have been posted on-line. | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
This is a case that has come in the last couple of hours. This is | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
detective Mick Moran, who co- ordinates the team that deals with | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
crimes against children. In a couple of minute that is this file | :32:03. | :32:09. | |
was there available for download, 650 people downloaded it. Now they | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
didn't download that by accident, they downloaded that knowing what | :32:12. | :32:20. | |
it was. We have a very young girl here who is performing oral sex on | :32:20. | :32:26. | |
a man. She's probably, well, six, probably. OK, yes. I would agree | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
with that, I would say maybe five. She is being forced. The first part | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
of this case is to give the police in each country the unique address | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
of every computer that was used to download this appalling video. | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
a bit of luck in some countries there will be searching in the | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
morning on that information. The second aspect of that is for us | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
here, the more important aspect, that is just Post Office. We're | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
getting the information, we are sending it on to the countries to | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
deal with it. The second aspect is the more important one here, it is | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
the identification of this victim. This is a victim that is being | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
currently abused. Have a look at it there, this is a gross sexual | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
assault being carried out on this child. This is why victim | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
identification is so important. This girl here, obviously knows the | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
offender, I would say, and the offences that she is being made to | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
commit are horrific offences, she can be no more than five or six | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
years old. Correct. This is the issue about calling it pornography, | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
for us it is not pornography it is a crime scene. This child is being | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
abused. We can do something about it. Is it possible we can identify | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
her and stop this abuse, one thing is for sure, the vast amount of | :33:39. | :33:45. | |
sexual abuse takes place at home and in the family circle. One | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
statistically likely is this guy is her father. This guy who is orally | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
raping her is her father. Straight away, at basic analysis level, we | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
can see she's white Caucasian, we can see...The Clues are here in | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
this video, if they can find and identify them they can rescue a | :34:03. | :34:11. | |
ildchoo. Whilst they were there they identified - the chide, they | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
identified the country and the exact city. There are articles of | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
interest, that article there could be very useful. Before we left they | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
identified the offender's likely employer and immediately passed on | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
all the information to the local police. You realise that this is | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
abuse that is happening right now. Right this minute. And if I told | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
you, seriously, if I told you that there was a girl being raped down | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
the corridor, you would quick walls in to get in there and assist ter, | :34:39. | :34:45. | |
what is different about this? - Assist her, what is different about | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
this? Interpol has shown that international co-operation is the | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
key to saving children. I was talking through another case which | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
resulted in a successful identification. Let's be clear, | :34:56. | :35:03. | |
this is a baby being horrifically sexually abused. You have seen four | :35:03. | :35:09. | |
different babies here. In those four images. Now, if we zoom in on | :35:09. | :35:19. | |
:35:19. | :35:20. | ||
that. The only chance they had to save these very young children from | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
sexual abuse s through one country collecting all the material at a | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
central point and sending it on to Interpol. Enabling them to analyse | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
and identify key clues. Most importantly because of this, it | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
turned out to be a Metro ticket. And because it is a Metro ticket, | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
it turned out to be a Metro ticket, I could guess it is something like. | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
That when the officer from that country looked at this, he said | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
that is a ticket from the Metro in this city, and there is the station | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
name. So you have shown me horrific abuse of babies, very young | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
children, the key, and the most important thing was did you save | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
those children and did people get arrested? As a result of the work | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
done here and the identification specialists working within the | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
community, these kids were saved. It is a happens, these children | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
were all being abused within a creche environment a nursery, the | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
mothers were leaving their children off to be minded, and the people | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
who were running the creche were abusing the children. By locating | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
the creche, they locate the victims, and then the offenders. Two men who | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
had access to these children, and who are now subsequently in prison. | :36:31. | :36:38. | |
We have seen how Interpol work. But does Britain have a similar system? | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
The UK has no national database for child abuse material. The Child | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
Exploitation and Online Protection Centre have called for one to exist. | :36:46. | :36:52. | |
But I have learned it will be another 18 months before one is | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
created. In the meantime a chaotic system exists, with just 47 cases | :36:58. | :37:04. | |
forwarded to CEOP last year. They did well and saved 22 children, how | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
many more could be rescued if a central database existed. Claire | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
Perry is on the Justice Select Committee, and is campaigning for | :37:14. | :37:24. | |
:37:24. | :37:26. | ||
tougher measures to sort out child abuse material on the internet. Is | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
it acceptable to wait another 18 months? It is not acceptable for | :37:30. | :37:36. | |
one day extra. Children every day are suffering appalling abuse and | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
those images are distrib buelted worldwide. We have to stop that, | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
the easiest way is to tag the data, work together for a national | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
database to be circulated amongst police forces and internationally | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
we know the technology exists, we know the police force want it. We | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
know that the victims deserve it, we have to go and lobby ministers | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
as hard as we can and make sure this is put in place as soon as | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
possible. There needs to be this central | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
point, and that central point doesn't exist in every country. | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
have been shown the latest Interpol statistics of identified victim, | :38:08. | :38:14. | |
they suggest the UK is not doing very well. When you correct for | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
population size, Norway is at the top, with 33 per million, followed | :38:19. | :38:27. | |
by Sweden, at 15, Canada, six, Netherlands five, Australia, | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
Denmark and Belgium all above three, and the US, Switzerland and Germany | :38:32. | :38:38. | |
are all above two, the UK scores just 1.5, not even in the top ten. | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
Unlike those other countries, many of the UK's police forces are | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
working in isolation, and as a result are failing to co-ordinate | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
victim identification. This is why we need a national database now. | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
Now, it is the list that includes the Hammersmith Palais and the | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
Bolshoi Ballet, goes on through carrot juice, porridge, yellow | :39:03. | :39:10. | |
socks, cheese and pickle, those among you will have figured out I'm | :39:10. | :39:17. | |
talking about Ian Dury's Reasons to be Cheerful. It is not what you can | :39:17. | :39:24. | |
do for yourself but what the Government can do for you. | :39:24. | :39:34. | |
:39:34. | :39:36. | ||
How do we go about it? What makes you happy? In 2002 | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
Professor Martin Seligman's theory, authentic happiness, laid out a way | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
of scoring the happiness of individuals. His work spawned the | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
phrase "positive psychology" and prompted shelves full of self-help | :39:50. | :39:57. | |
books, and in the professor's view, an overemphasis on cheerness. So, a | :39:57. | :40:04. | |
revised theory, which distills down to the acronym, PERMA. Experiencing | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
positive emotions, being aware of feelings as they happen, relating | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
to others well, finding meaning in your life, and getting a sense of | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
achievement. He's already inspired David Cameron to announce last year | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
that there will be a move to try to measure our gross national | :40:19. | :40:29. | |
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happiness. If your goal in politics is to make people happier, and you | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
know prosperity alone won't deliver happier life. You have to deliver | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
steps to make sure Government is focused on quality of life as well | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
as economic growth. If this is sounding pie in the sky, rest | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
assured the office of national statistics is currently phoning | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
200,000 households to measure how happy we are. But at a time of cuts | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
in public spending and demonstrations on the streets, it | :41:00. | :41:07. | |
is an interesting era in which to do it. | :41:07. | :41:13. | |
Professor Seligman is here now. Can you really make people feel well at | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
a time like this? Yes, I actually think you can. The question is | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
how's life going for you, or how's life going for nation? | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
Traditionally we have measured the economics of it, but what we want | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
to know about, in Addicks, is how much positive emotion we have - | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
addition, is how much positive emotion we have, how good are our | :41:34. | :41:43. | |
relationships, how engaged are we with the people we love, those are | :41:43. | :41:49. | |
measurable. Are you a natural cheery chap? No I'm a pessimist, I | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
think they can only do serious research on happiness. Does that | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
make you think is it worth aiming for? That is a good question. The | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
issue is, is there something over and above getting over misery. All | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
public policy, therapy, is aimed at getting rid of misery, the question | :42:06. | :42:12. | |
is what's above zero. What is above zero? That is what positive | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
psychology is about. Well being is somewhere above there? Beauty is | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
not the absence of uingless, bravery is not just the absence of | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
cowardice. Well being is not just the absence of well being, it is | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
the presence of real things. Isn't it an immensely selfish | :42:28. | :42:38. | |
preoccupation? Not quite, the single If, if you are depressed | :42:38. | :42:45. | |
right now, and you asked me what is the single mood swing move you can | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
do, it is to help another person. Doing something for another person | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
is the single biggest boost. our viewers sitting at home tonight, | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
give them one piece of advice about improving their sense of well being | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
about life? There are quite a number of piece, one easy piece is | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
when we have people, every night before they go to sleep, write down | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
three things that went well today, and why they went well, it is | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
addicting and six months later, in random assignment placebo- | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
controlled tests, people who do this are happier, and have higher | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
life satisfaction, lower depression. Being conscious of the things that | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
go well in your life. The thing I liked of your's, what would your | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
grandchildren say about you, is that what you can explain? | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
question, how can you have more mean anything life? One thing we do, | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
is we have people write first a vision of what a positive human | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
future would be, and then write their obituary through their | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
grandchildren's eyes, in which they say what they did to contribute to | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
a positive meaningful future. is David Cameron supposed to apply | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
this? The first question is if we don't measure the right thing we | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
don't do the right thing, all we have measured is money. The | :44:02. | :44:08. | |
question is first, measuring well being. It turns out, over the last | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
decade, people have found ways of measuring pretty much as well as we | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
can, schizophrenia, alcoholism, mean anything life, positive | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
emotion, engagement at work, relations with others. The first | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
thing is to measure the well being of the British people, and then, | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
and I think this is quite bold of the Prime Minister, to hold one's | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
self accountable for changes in well being by public policy. Give | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
us an example? Well, one thing I work on is schools and schools | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
systems, actually in Britain as well as Australia and the United | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
States. So what we do is we take teachers and we teach them the | :44:47. | :44:53. | |
skills of well being in their own life, then teach it to 10-12-year- | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
old children, then we follow the children through puberty, what we | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
find is when teachers learn the skills of well being, for the next | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
couple of years, children have less depression, less anxiety, and | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
better conduct. So that's an example of a public policy in | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
education that leads to greater well being. If I were to say to you, | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
look a pig, lying around in muck is content. What would you say? | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
not really after contentment. So I think contentment and the smiley | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
face are not the variables of real psychological interests, they are | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
things like how engaged are you at work, how good are your relations, | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
how much meaning do you have in life. A pig lying around in muck | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
doesn't have a lot of meaning in life. You believe you can give | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
people mean anything life? Yes, it turns out that unlike the smiley | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
face, which is highly inherited, your parents pass it on to you, | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
mean anything life is everyone's birthright, and it is learnable, it | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
is teachable by teachers to children, it is teachable in the | :45:58. | :46:04. | |
United States army. Thank you. Some of tomorrow morning's front | :46:04. | :46:14. | |
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There was a 5% drop in the value of shares in News Corporation in New | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
York today. According to the Mail, even war widows are on the hackers | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
hitlist. That's all from Newsnight tonight. Kirsty will be your | :46:40. | :46:49. | |
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therapist tomorrow night, until then, goodnight. | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
No sign of the weather settling down just yet. A showery prospect | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
for several days to come. A wet start where you live tomorrow | :47:01. | :47:07. | |
morning. But it will break up into showers. There will be hail and | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
thunder mixed in. Very few places will avoid them entirely. A cool | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
day, particularly when the showers come along in a gusty wind. | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
Temperatures held back into the mid-to high teens at best in most | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
places. Across the south west of England, maybe around some of the | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
coasts lengthy spells of sunshine. Even here I wouldn't rely on it. | :47:26. | :47:34. | |
Frequent and heavy showers blowing in on the Brit south-westerly wind. | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
If you catch a shower it could last quite a while. There will be some | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
heavy storms across Northern Ireland, I think, with hail and | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
thunder for sure. At least we have lost the persistent heavy rain | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
across eastern parts of Scotland we had today. Lively downpours to come. | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
This is the situation on Thursday, and Friday, with more of the same. | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
Limited brightness, again disappointing temperatures, across | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
the more southern parts of the UK, every chance that we will see | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
prolonged rain and gusty winds. The big picture on Friday looks like | :48:04. | :48:10. |