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Tonight, America steps back from the brink of a debt default, but | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
has the crisis fatally damaged Barack Obama's capacity to lead? | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
Voters may have chosen divided Government, but they sure didn't | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
vote for dysfunctional Government. With Wall Street plunging tonight, | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
we will ask former presidential candidate, Howard Dean, about the | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
stalling of the US economy, and the splutering of Obama's re-election | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
campaign. With the eurozone also wobbling, | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
will Euro-sceptics strengthen their demands for renegotiating Britain's | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
terms of entry. Still no sign of military | :00:43. | :00:50. | |
intervention in Syria, is the lack of co-here is ive unity in the | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
country affecting the change. Hundreds of smear tests go | :00:55. | :01:01. | |
unprocessed, as confusion rages in the pathology labs. | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
America's top military man goes to Afghanistan to say goodbye to the | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
troops w a little help from his friends. They know what they are | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
face, away from their families, trying to fight war on the surface | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
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of the moon. It has been called the lowest point | :01:24. | :01:31. | |
in the Obama presidency, and a sugar-coated sat tan sandwich. Both | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
Houses have voted to raise the debt ceiling and cut spending. Any | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
comfort the deal has been done has been overshadowed by the Dow | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
plummeting, Wall Street seems less bothered by the voting on Capitol | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
Hill than the indicators, the US economy is growing so slowly it is | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
reaching stall speed, with very serious consequences for President | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
Obama's re-election efforts next year.What actually did happen | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
today? Basically a deal was done and the most important thing to | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
remember here is a disaster was averted. The disaster that might | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
have happened if the richest country in the world had said we | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
can't pay our bills. Even just for a few days. The Senate approved the | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
deal that was done in the House of Representatives last night, | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
senators voted 76-26 in favour of it. Obama signed it into law, it is | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
clearly a long way from what he wanted. There are two ways to | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
reduce a deficit, you can either cut spending or you can raise taxes. | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
He wanted to do both. But, unfortunately he was prevented from | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
raising taxes from Congress, that was the price of doing the deal. | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
President Obama made it clear that he hadn't given up on the idea of | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
raising taxes in the future. I have said it before, I will say it again, | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
we can't balance the budget on the backs of the very people who have | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
bourne the biggest brunt of this recession. We can't make it tougher | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
for young people to go to college, or ask seniors to pay for more | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
health care, or ask scientists to give up on promising medical | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
research, because we couldn't close a tax shelter for the most | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
fortunate among us. What does this bill do? In economic terms it | :03:11. | :03:19. | |
raises the debt limit, it goes up from $14.3 trillion, to $16.7. They | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
can now borrow up to $16.7 trillion. On top of that, there have to be | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
spending cuts of $2.1 trillion, from the Government over the next | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
ten years. Which sounds impressive, but then you look at how the stock | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
market reacted, as you were mentioning earlier, it wasn't a | :03:36. | :03:45. | |
particularly favourable reaction. The Dow Jones closed more than 280%, | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
that is not a ringing endorsement of the fact that the deal was done. | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
Why didn't they like it? Given that we are talking about this potential | :03:55. | :04:02. | |
calamity, Wall Street was distracted, it wasn't watching | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
Washington but mane Street USA, there are a number of worrying | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
figures out today. We saw consumer spending with the first fall in two | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
years. Yesterday we had manufacturing showing a downturn | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
for the first time in two years. The crucial thing, of course, is | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
growth, if consumers aren't spending, normally consumer | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
spending is two thirds of the growth the US gets. At the moment | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
you are looking at spending which is looking very depressed. You have | :04:26. | :04:35. | |
had growth of a feeble 1.3%. So main Street USA isn't looking | :04:35. | :04:42. | |
healthy. This all began with the United States maintaining the AAA | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
credit rating? One credit agency said the US can deep the AAA status. | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
You have also had some endorsement from the IMF. All eyes will be on | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
Standard & Poor's, they were the one that is warned if a serious | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
deal wasn't done when the US wouldn't deep their AAA credit | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
rating. They wanted $4 trillion off the deficit, they have only got | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
barely half that. With the economic back drop, I referred to there, and | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
the fact that unemployment is more than 9%, they have to keep a very | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
serious watch on the US economy, just in order to keep their | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
credibility. What could happen, if they do lose their AAA status that | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
could still happen, is the cost of money could go up, and with the | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
state of the economy, that is the last thing you need. For their | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
thoughts on the political prospect ace head, I'm joined by consultant | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
Taylor Griffin, who worked on John McCain in the last election, and | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
Howard Dean, a former senator himself, and a former Party | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
Chairman. Howard Dean, do you think Barack | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
Obama did emerge from this as the biggest loser? I think he emerged | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
the big winner. Any time you get something done the President gets | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
the credit, when something doesn't get done the President gets the | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
blame. I think this was a baby step, they kicked the can mostly down the | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
road. A lot of tough decisions haven't been made yet. I think the | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
fact this was averted is mostly down to help President Obama, and | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
if you look at the ratings of Congress, they are extraordinary. | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
There was a poll out yesterday, 70% of the respondants did something | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
they had never done before, they gave words, instead of just | :06:23. | :06:31. | |
answering yes or no, or on a scale of one to ten, they used words like | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
"ridiculous, "outrageous, "badly behaved", to describe the Congress. | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
They had a 2% popularity rate in this poll. I think the President | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
has easy competition now. I think it will be a close race, but any | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
kind of deal would benefit the President. Taylor Griffin, do you | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
take that criticism of Congress on board a lot of people looking at | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
the speaker, John Boehner, saying he couldn't run his own party, | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
never mind the Republicans running the country? Governor Dean is | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
exactly right. The President definitely avert add really | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
popularity disaster here if that deal hadn't gotten done. The view | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
of Congress is very negative, and the public's view of the | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
President's handling is a little better than Congress. But the | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
bigger problem the President now has going forward, is that this | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
debt deal sets a lot of things in motion to keep these fiscal issues | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
on the front burner from now until the 2012 election, and going | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
forward. That's an area where Republicans have a bit of an | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
advantage, it will be tough for the President to deal with, especially | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
considering the economic news that he will get blamed for asle. Some | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
Democrats said this is a sat tan sandwich, one put it colourful - | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
Satan sandwich, one put it colourfully, and hit the poor, and | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
make America not vote for President Obama? I said I was from the | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
Democratic wing of the Democratic party, the more progressive end of | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
the spectrum. I don't think on the face of it the deal is that bad. We | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
don't know what will happen in November when this commission has | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
to come forward with some ideas. But the President does have some | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
tools in its tool box, one of which is the Bush tax cuts expire in | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
early 2013 he can let them expire, that will bring in a substantial | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
amount of revenue to start to balance the budget. This is a tough | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
one. I actually agree with Taylor, I think even though the President | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
gets a short-term bounce out of this, it is a long-term economy | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
staying bad he has a tough election. I think he will get re-elected, I | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
don't think the Republicans can say they are running because they are | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
not Barack Obama. That will not work. Governor Dean, do you accept | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
that spending cuts will hurt the poor, as the Democratic wing of the | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
Democratic party, that is not what many Democrats want to hear, that | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
is why they are some what irritated by the President? The spending cuts | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
we have seen so far are by and large not a disaster. The health | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
care was left alone, social security was left alone. Those | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
things matter enormously. The college opportunities were left | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
alone. The problem is what happens in November, there could be | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
substantial cuts to Medicare, those fall mostly on providers. There is | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
a, I love the timebombs, in every piece of legislation that comes | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
through. I had to read the whole bill, I'm not very good at because | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
I'm not a lawyer. One of the things says in the Medicare cuts are more | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
than 2%, then you take across the board cuts of all discretionary | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
spending, that would hurt the poor and be a huge problem. We don't | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
know. They kicked the can down the road, they did get the deal done, | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
but they haven't really put a dent in the deficit. | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
One of the problems for the Republican party, is you have a | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
great opportunity in 2012, but equally, as a party, you are | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
perfectly capable of picking one or two candidates who most Americans | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
think are pretty loony? That's one of the dangers here. Is this has | :09:53. | :10:00. | |
ban victory for the TEA Party wing of the Republican party, which is | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
not happy with it. So to speak. They are going to be looking for a | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
candidate that really supports fixing what they think is a bad | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
debt deal, if that means the Republicans end um nominating | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
somebody like Michelle Backman who would be more of a challenge to | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
elect in an election, this could be a negative thing for the | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
Republicans. If it keeps the focus on fiscal issues, that is where the | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
Republicans can make headway with it. They have a lot to prove | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
between now and the election, that they can handle it better. I know | :10:34. | :10:42. | |
you will remember 1995 and 196, where Clinton portrayed Congress as | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
wreckers, that is the kind of rhetoric that we will hear in the | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
next 12 months? This is where I disagree with Taylor, or sort of | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
agree. I think the TEA Party is doing enormous damage to the | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
Republican party, while people want the deficit under control, I think | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
Taylor is right in terms of saying the Republicans have pushed the | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
issue here and gotten some deficit reduction, they don't want to cut | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
Medicare and social securities, they don't want to push Medicade, | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
which is a poor people's benefit in most situation, they don't want to | :11:18. | :11:25. | |
see benefit cuts. The privatisation bill of Medicare | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
will be an albatross around every Republican's neck when they run in | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
the fall. Some of the Republican's numbers, in Florida they are in the | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
20s, and Wisconsin is losing recall elections, and that could be | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
Democratic Senate in a few weeks. Those are not good things for | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
Republicans running locally, people remember that stuff. Even though it | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
is probably not fair, it is only 87 people in the TEA Party in Congress, | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
that is where people will get the publicity, and that is the | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
Republican brand, that is not good for the party. A last thought, | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
these will be hard economic times in the next year, everyone has | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
agreed on that. What happened on Wall Street bear that is out, won't | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
people possibly rally behind this President given the alternatives? | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
think it will depend what happens with the economy between now and | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
the election. If the economy make as strong rebound, it is not where | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
the economy starts before the election, but how it changes. Is it | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
really getting better substantially or getting worse f it starts to get | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
better before the election people will rally around the President, if | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
not they will be looking for an alternative. It is up to the | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
Republicans to say the President hasn't got it done in the last | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
three years of the term with the economy, we will take a turn, and | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
if we don't get it done we will get fired too. That will be a strong | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
argument for the Republican Cannes if they can present a credible | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
candidate that can make it. Thank you very much. It is not just | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
the United States that can turn an economic crisis into drama, Europe | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
can too. Spain's Prime Minister delayed his holiday plans today, | :13:01. | :13:08. | |
because he needed to check on further problems with the euro. The | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
eurozone's inability to fix itself has prompted talks among | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
Conservatives of bringing powers back from Brussels, and a two-speed | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
Europe, with the UK in the slow lane. | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
Place that still echos with the battles of the Conservatives' | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
political past. Don't bind my hands, when I am negotiating on behalf of | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
the British nation. The pro- Europeans have definitely won the | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
territorial dispute, the former Conservative Central Office is now | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
the EU's London home. But the ideolgical struggle seems to be | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
going the other way. With some reading in the current upheels in | :13:45. | :13:51. | |
the single currency, a chance to - upheavals in the single currency, a | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
chase to push further away, you should never waste a good crisis. | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
With the new intake of Conservative MPs, this is an historic chance to | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
get real change in Europe. Unlike their predecessors, they don't | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
carry the battle scars of all the euro disputes carried out in the | :14:11. | :14:18. | |
building behind me. For them this is chance to discuss and solve an | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
issue that has been poisonous for a generation. The new intake in the | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
field sense something is wrong in Europe, that we need to see reform. | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
But, they do not want to withdraw all together. They want to find a | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
third way, between withdrawal and the status quo. | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
When David Cameron goes to Brussels, he knows that behind him the | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
Conservative Party is more united than ever on Europe. But, they are | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
united in a desire for change. George Eustice, used to be David | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
Cameron's press secretary, he's now a Conservative MP. When parliament | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
returns in the autumn, he's form Agnew group of MPs, trying to make | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
sure that they get the change that he says we need. The Conservative | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
Party is unanimous on this, in temples want to go stay in the | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
European Union, but to fundamentally change the way it | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
operates. I think that applies also to our Prime Minister. What we're | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
trying to do with the group we are forming, is to identify where the | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
centre of gravity is of the Conservative Party, to press for | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
real radical, genuine reform of the European Union. | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
So, where might the reforms start? High up on the new group's target | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
list are employment and social law, financial services regulation, and | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
justice and home affairs law. These could be relatively easy wins, but, | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
there would be much more resistance in Europe, to major institutional | :15:43. | :15:50. | |
reform. No-one wants to revisit the whole institution issue. Reform of | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
the Common Agricultural Policy and common fisheries policy, has | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
frustrated a whole generation of British politicians. In Europe, | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
among the leaders at least, there seems to be an impetus going in the | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
other direction. Politicians like Nicolas Sarkozy, pressing for more | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
integration, particularly tax and spending harmonisation for those | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
countries in the euro. If the rest of Europe decides to go ahead and | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
create a fiscal union, eventually they will have to incorporate those | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
changes into the treaty, and have our consent. That gives us an | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
incredibly strong hand and powerful bargaining position. In order to | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
make good on, that we have to have a sense of ambition on it, we can't | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
see this as subsidiarity, or renegotiating the 48-hour aspects | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
of the Social Chapter, we need sensible ambition, and a good team | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
of diplomats in Brussels who understand what a victory looks | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
like, and a clear shopping list of all the areas of public policy | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
where we think we are better off running ourselves than having this | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
country governed by Brussels. The omens for those Conservatives | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
who want to reform Europe couldn't be better. It is clear things will | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
change as a result of the eurozone crisis the status quo, as they say, | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
is not an option. And the Conservative Party is more united | :17:10. | :17:17. | |
on Europe than it has perhaps ever been. But, and it is a fairly | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
sizeable but, at this auspicious movement in history they find | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
themselves in coalition with the Liberal Democrats, traditionally | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
the most Euro-enthusiastic party in British politics. The Liberal | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
Democrats also believe in devolution, one of the things we | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
are arguing is not outright hostility to the European Union, | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
but we are arguing effectively for powers to be transferred back to a | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
national level. You think that is entirely consistent with a party | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
like the Liberal Democrats, who believe, let's face it, in localism, | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
and devolved powers. The Conservatives and the European | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
projects, have both moved a long way, since the big Tory bust-ups of | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
the past. A more united and clear Conservative backbench voice on the | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
issue, though, promises to put pressure on the current Prime | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
Minister. I'm joined now by the Conservative | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
MP, John Redwood and Lib Dem MEP, Boles. How quickly - Sharon Bowles, | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
how quickly could you start doing this? I think it has to be done | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
very quickly, because the agenda of the European Union demands it. It | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
is not a question of whether Britain wants a two-speed Europe or | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
not, we know the group of Euroland countries now feel they need to | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
make very rapid advances to a very strong central economic system. | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
think they are probably right in that from their point of view? | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
don't think it will work for all the mess, I would advise them to | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
have viewer members, but they have to try something because their | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
currency is besieged and under enormous pressure, I fear it will | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
do huge economic damage, I wouldn't want Britain to stand in their way, | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
if they think they can make a real go of it. It is an opportunity for | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
you to renegotiate some of the things David was saying in the | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
report? I'm not saying it is an opportunity, I'm saying the Euro- | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
crisis is so graves and the impact upon jobs and prosperity in western | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
Europe, as we can see, is becoming so serious, I think George Osborne | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
is right, Britain shouldn't stand in the way of these countries | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
trying to mend it, even though I think the remedy may not work. But | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
that requires them to say to Britain, surely, you are not going | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
to be part of this. If they really seriously wanted Britain's debts | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
and Britain's banks in the system as well. I can promise you the | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
markets would destroy it overnight. What do you make of it, would it | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
breach the coalition agreement? don't see that it would do that. | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
This was not something that was actually contenaced in the | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
coalition agreement. You would be fine with t you could stay in | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
Government with party that wants to renegotiate? The eurozone is | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
obviously going to go closer together, that is an inevitable | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
consequence. Some people would say it is inevitable from the start and | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
many wanted it. It is obviously a good thing for the UK if the | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
eurozone gets its act together, because if there is chaos there, | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
the contamination on to our economy is huge. But I think one has to | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
handle with care any idea of saying well we're not going to stand in | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
your way, but we will put a price upon it. You will be outside the | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
logic? But there will be many other countries outside as well, all | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
those who have to join, it will be harder to join the eurozone when it | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
is a fiscal union, many things, like the single market, still have | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
to be done across the 27. You are in favour, as we heart, George | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
Eustice, of devolution, localism, what about a bit of devolution in | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
the EU towards Britain, that would be the argument? I think it would | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
be very dangerous if we tried to cherry-pick, then I think we will | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
soon be put in dunce's corner and ignored again. We have had enough | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
of that following on from the financial crisis. What would be top | :20:55. | :21:03. | |
of the things that you would be looking at, and there? I have a | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
modest proposal, there is danger in cherry-picking item, we might not | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
choose enough or be granted enough. I wouldn't want to accept a huge | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
new set of restrictions on Britain for one or two items to come back. | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
My modest proposal is a deal, you Europe need our agreement to do all | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
the things you think you need to centralise. We promise to giveaway | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
our right to stop you on anything that you want to do, if you, in | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
turn, giveaway your right to insist we do anything that you choose to | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
do. We will choose what we want to do, we will be at the table. | :21:36. | :21:43. | |
will be move the table, you would be out of the room? We would | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
discuss each law in good faith f we like it we do it, if not we don't | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
do it. What is wrong with that? don't see how we would have any | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
allies forming any defences of British positions. Dealing with | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
financial services. You just have to veto it? I don't think you would | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
be given a veto on take it or leave it. And where do you think | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
Britain's place in the international scene is, it will be | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
much, much more through Europe. That is the way we have to | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
negotiate. Isn't the fundamental problem with the Liberal Democrats | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
is you have lost the argument and the British people on the argument, | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
it is not just Britain, where there is growing Euro-scepticism, it is | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
all over Europe, including in Germany. So you are simply on the | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
wrong side of history on this? have to separate out the European | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
Union and the single market, from feelings about the euro. They are | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
quite given. And I think if many people recognised the problems that | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
we would have, with a withdrawal or a partial withdrawal, from the EU, | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
what wo that do for the inward - would that do for the inward | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
investment. They would seeking to, and all foreign investment would go | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
into the core of the eurozone and we would be on the peripheral. | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
know that is not true, Britain is not within the principal club in | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
Europe, the euro, the biggest driver of finance, thank goodness | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
we are not. Our gift is staying out of it, and we would have destroyed | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
it because of the different type of economy and the big debts we have | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
got. We know we can get inward investment and trade with Europe | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
without being part of the euro. What Euro-sceptics wish to say is | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
we don't have to have all the common laws and all the central | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
Government they are imposing other areas either in order to be able to | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
trade very successful with them. We want a looser relationship. If that | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
looser relationship was put to a vote now, that side would win? | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
People always want to vote for cherry-picking, they want to vote | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
for free beer and longer cigarettes. I do not believe this is something | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
that would be on offer and be available. Attempting to negotiate | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
it would do us a great deal of harm, that we would not manage to achieve | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
it, and there would be huge retaliation against us on a whole | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
variety of legislation that was important to the EU. Huge | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
retaliation against us? I don't agree with T the EU has a good deal | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
out of Britain, they sell us many more fiscal goods than we sell them. | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
They would want to carry on trading with us, there are international | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
rules requiring them to do so on fair basis. They get a large | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
contribution of cash out of us, and that has gone up. You think we get | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
a lot of trade out of it? I don't agree, the trade makes mutual sense | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
to trade with each other and international agreement now. When | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
we first joined the European Union, it was tarrif based and it helped a | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
bit. But the tarrifs have surpassed with the European Union does. We | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
can be relaxed, I would like to do it in a friendly spirit, I want to | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
stay friends, and trade with them, and some common law that makes | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
sense. But British people feel it is too intrusive and they don't | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
want to end up bossed around and sent big bills for a scheme that | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
seems to be in a lot of trouble. While the world's attention has | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
been diverted by the continuing economic malaise, and other matters, | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
the regime of Bashar al-Assad has slowly been tightening its grip in | :25:11. | :25:20. | |
Syria. As Ramadan begins, a Al- Assad's soldier's militia seems to | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
have killed 140 people, even in the town of Hama, even countries like | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
chine fla and Russia are sounding concerns, but there is no appetite | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
for military intervention. There is a question of whether a coherent | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
policy in Syria is stop the change of regime. | :25:35. | :25:43. | |
It may be a month of fasting and prayer across the Muslim word. But | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
President Assad isn't allowing subjects time for contemplation. | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
The death toll over the last three days is thought to be more than 130. | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
In the city of Hama and elsewhere, protestors have been targeted by | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
Government snipers and tank shells. Today, amateur footage, that can't | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
be verified, apparently shows more military vehicles approaching the | :26:03. | :26:13. | |
:26:13. | :26:16. | ||
town. And protestors burying their dead. They killed with the bombing | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
and the attacks on hospitals. One of them had a sniper shot, and the | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
other he was killed by a bomb. do you think the Government is | :26:26. | :26:34. | |
doing this to you? I think because we are protesting, we are | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
embarrassing them when we protest in huge numbers. It is like a | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
punishment. How do you think can all end, do you think that | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
President Assad can stay in power? No, no, not any more. | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
It is a remarkable testament to the tenacity and bravery of the | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
opposition, that so many ordinary Syrians are still willing, after | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
1700 have already died in the last few months, to risk their lives by | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
going out, unarmed, on to the streets. If anything, the mood in | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
Hama and other cities, is now hardening, with widespread refusal | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
to consider any compromise with the regime. And yet, the opposition are | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
still a long way from victory. One reason, among many, is they have no | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
clear national structure, or leadership. Not surprising in state | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
where independent organisations have been banned for decades. | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
The headquarters of one of Syria's main opposition groups s above a | :27:31. | :27:38. | |
tiling store, in an outer London suburb. I'm going to visit a senior | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
figure in the Muslim Brotherhood. Its exiled members watching today's | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
events back home, have escaped the ruthless oppression of the movement | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
inside Siria. TRANSLATION: The only solution, or | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
way out in Syria, is for this regime to leave power. To give it | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
up. Also there should be a clear and determined international | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
position, which will ensure that this current political regime is | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
isolated. The Syrian people will then be perfectly able to provide | :28:08. | :28:15. | |
an alternative Government. But no- one knows what kind of alternative | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
Government the protestors would provide. The opposition includes | :28:18. | :28:25. | |
Islamists and liberals, leftists and nationalists. And the picture | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
is further complicated by Syria's sectarian divide. About 85% are | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
Sunni Muslim, about 10%, including much of the ruling elite, belong to | :28:35. | :28:43. | |
the Alawite sect. And about 5% are Christians. The regime's played | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
down those divisions. Claiming that it treats all citizens equally. And | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
some, particularly in the minority communities, are now afraid, | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
rightly or wrongly, that they might fare worse under a more democratic | :28:57. | :29:06. | |
Government. In London, not in dam mass cushion there is a television | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
station where Syrians can discuss such issues. This station claims to | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
reach an audience of three million in Syria by satellite. It is openly | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
anti-regime, even giving advice on forms of civil disobedience, but it | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
is honest about divisions within the opposition. If you asked the | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
opposition in public, are you in favour of talks with the regime, | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
they will say no, because they know the mood on the street in Syria is | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
very much anti- holding any talks or dialogue with the Government. | :29:37. | :29:44. | |
However, within closed circle, many are willing, and I would say many, | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
especially those who are independent, who don't have a | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
political party to be answerable to, many of these people are willing to | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
enter into talks with the Government, they believe they can | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
get a political advantage out of this, and maybe believe out of good | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
intention that is they can save the country from spiralling into an | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
armed conflict. After the continued bloodshed of the last month, | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
America's attitude to President Assad has hardened. And today, even | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
Russia, a long time ally of the regime, indicated it wouldn't | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
oppose a UN resolution condemning the crackdown. But the | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
international reaction is still too muted to have much effect on the | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
regime. Some believe a spiral of further violence. | :30:29. | :30:35. | |
State TV is now broadcasting pictures, it claims, show armed | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
protestors. The opposition says such cases are almost unknown. | :30:39. | :30:47. | |
According to some sources, revenge attacks on Government agencies are | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
increasing. There are signs of civil war happening in Syria are | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
showing, it is a reality. There is footage of armed men in Hama, | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
unverified, but still an indication perhaps that people in Hama are so | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
desperate at the moment they are willing to raise arms, and we are | :31:03. | :31:09. | |
talking about Kalashnikovs, rifles, where as the regime has tanks and | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
artillery. It is still possible, many believe, | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
that peaceful resistance in Syria, will eventually topple the regime. | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
But the tipping point is not yet in sight. | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
As we mentioned the UN Security Council has been meeting tonight in | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
an emergency session on Syria. We are joined live from New York. What | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
has bank happening there? We are getting positive noises from the | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
Security Council, they say that they are nearing agreement on the | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
content of some form of statement, after about 24 hours of | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
negotiations. This is based on a British resolution that has been | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
circulating for several months now, which, in essence, condemns the | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
violence in Syria, demands it stops, says that Syria should get serious | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
about political reform. Makes no mention of sanctions or other | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
reform, or military intervention. Despite that for the last couple of | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
months the Europeans have faced stiff opposition from five members | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
of the council, because they feel any resolution or statement could | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
be the first step in the slippery slope of some kind of Libya-style | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
intervention. But the mood here has changed since the violence in Hama | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
at the weekend. One Security Council diplomat said to me there | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
is less tension around the table, we all seem to be speaking the same | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
language to a degree. That seems to include the vote toeholder, Russia | :32:30. | :32:36. | |
and China, they appear to be - veto holder, Russia and China. They | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
appear to be ready to take steps. It will be whether it is a less | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
binding statement or one that will become law. We will find out that | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
tomorrow. A disturbing investigation into | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
cervical cancer tests on young women, the rules were changed in | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
200, moons there is no longer routine screening for women under | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
25. The result has been a chaotic situation where many young women's | :33:00. | :33:07. | |
tests are left unprocessed. Many GPs are unceasingly alarmed, | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
especially as incidences of cervical cancer in women in their | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
late 20 are on the rise. It has never been an enticing | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
prospect, but women have put up with having a smear test, because | :33:22. | :33:28. | |
it is the only way to detect the early signs of cervical cancer. | :33:28. | :33:35. | |
When Jade Goody was diagnosed with the disease, in the full glare of | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
reality TV, it was better than any advertising campaign could have | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
hoped for. She was 27, soon after there was a sharp increase in the | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
number of women going for smear tests. Those under 25 and inspired | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
by Goody were told they were too young for a test. Women used to be | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
routinely screened by the age of 20, in 2003 the Government raised the | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
age to 25, because they said early testing might do more harm than | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
good. We have been approached by GPs who say what this actually | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
means is tests they are carrying out on women under 25, that they | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
think are necessary, are being rejected, in some cases they are | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
destroyed by the labs, just because they fall outside the screening | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
guidelines. The freedom of information request by Newsnight, | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
found hundreds of young women's samples were being rejected. There | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
are 111 labs in England that process smear test, we asked each | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
one what they did with samples from women under 25. 99 of those labs | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
actually responded and told us in total more than 700 women's smear | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
tests were rejected last year on the grounds of age. But it really | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
just seems to depend on where you live. There is this lab here in | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
Manchester that rejected 51 sample, then there is another one in | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
Gateshead that say the strictly speaking it doesn't have to process | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
them, but it does because it is the right thing to do, they said. It | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
all seems to be a bit of a postcode lottery, that means there are | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
hundreds of young women going in for these invasive test that is | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
aren't even going to be looked at. Most cases of cervical cancer is | :35:13. | :35:20. | |
linked to the human papillomavirus virus, that is about unprotected | :35:20. | :35:27. | |
sex, and smoking. GPs say they know who should and shouldn't be tested, | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
they are angry that their clinical acumen is being ignored. Some | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
trusts process them, others won't, they have "zero tolerance", and | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
they are sending them back, what do you think of these? I think if a GP | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
has made a clinical decision to do a smear, that smear should be | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
processed. The decision not to process it should not be made by | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
lab with no details about why that smear is being done. I have known a | :35:53. | :35:59. | |
young women at age 22 die of cervical cancer. Why I work women | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
have sex from an early age, sometimes as young as 13 or 14, it | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
is a brave thing for a young women to present for a smear. Doing a | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
smear and then getting it rejected by a lab, is absolutely horrifying, | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
because it, in a sense, undermines me as the GP, but more so, it | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
undermines the patient who has presented for care. | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
Earlier this year, the Department of Health issued new guidelines, | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
telling labs to take a "zero tolerance" approach to any samples | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
from women under 25. The guidelines clearly are that women under 25 | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
shouldn't be screened. The tests have already been done, would it | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
not be better to process the one that is have been done? | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
ultimate answer is it should not have been taken in the first place. | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
In women aged 20-25, one in three will have an abnormal test result, | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
it doesn't mean there is an increased risk of cervical cancer, | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
it means there are transient abnormalities that in most cases | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
would have gone way on their own. But having an abnormal test is | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
anxiety-provoking, very upsetting, and likely to lead on to further | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
investigation and treatment. It is the treatment that can have the | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
future effect on pregnancy outcome. Actually, these women are not being | :37:12. | :37:20. | |
harmed, and in fact they are being benefited by not having their | :37:20. | :37:28. | |
cervical cytoologist test reported. That guideline is not popular with | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
everyone. That is not sensible, it is crazy, companies are well | :37:33. | :37:39. | |
trained doctors, in most practices - GPs are well-trained doctors, in | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
most practices it is a specialist in gynaecology, they can examine | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
the patient and appropriate tests taken, a swab for infection or a | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
smear, as that patient is at more risk of developing a cancer, but to | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
send straight to a gynaecology department is a waste of man power, | :37:57. | :38:07. | |
:38:07. | :38:09. | ||
time, and money, and not sensible. Some campaigners have been | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
campaigning since the age was raised to 25? The feeling is we | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
should offer smears to the age of 20, the British Medical Association | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
thinks the same, they voted 3-1 in favour last year that we should do | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
cervical veening from 20. We don't want to see young women dying. | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
Cervical cancer is a disease that is totally preventable, and the | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
skrooning process is not to find cancer but - screening process is | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
not to find cancer but cells that will turn to cancer later. That is | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
why some labs are ignoring the guidelines. At St Thomas's Hospital | :38:46. | :38:52. | |
in London they accept tests from under 25s because they want to | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
detect the precancerous stage? Women up to 25 are very frightened | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
to find they have cancer, however early. It is not common to get | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
cervical cancer aged 25-29, but the numbers have, in fact, gone up, | :39:06. | :39:14. | |
since 2003. In my view, it is better to treat it when it is CIN3, | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
than when it has already become invasive. That is what cervical | :39:18. | :39:23. | |
screening is all about. Labs say they have written to doctors when | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
they reject a test. But it is not clear if the message gets back to | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
patients. Many will be left wondering why bother having a smear | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
test if it won't be processed. The NHS screening programme has told us | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
it is an evolving system and they hoped the number of unprocessed | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
smear also go down next year, as GPs become more aware of the | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
guidelines. Admiral Mike Mullen, America's top | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
military officer, is on his way back to Washington, after a | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
farewell visit to troops on the battlefields of Afghanistan and | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
Iraq. The outgoing chairman of the joint Chief-of-Staff, told soldiers | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
in Afghanistan that America is winning the war, but it was now | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
time to hand over the fighting to the Afghans. Lyse Doucet was | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
travelling with the Admiral and some of his famous friends on his | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
farewell tour. Admiral Mike Mullen knows the drill. He's made this | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
trip so many times. But every detail is sorted in his world. Even | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
where he stands when he takes the first questions from the small | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
group of journalists travelling with him. I have tried to go during | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
the summers, because it is brutally hot. The engines are already | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
revving. We are heading on to the plane now, heading out to the | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
region again, it is a really tense time, a worrying time, both for | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
Afghans and their supporters what are your thoughts? I get that it is | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
tense and it is worrying, I can tell you this has been a tense | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
engagement and a worrying campaign for years. Have a nice flight? | :40:53. | :41:01. | |
Thanks. It is going to be a long flight. | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
And we are flying cargo. There aren't many direct flights between | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
Washington DC and Kandahar in Afghanistan, if you want to go this | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
is how you have to do it, with the US military. There are not many | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
luxuries on the military transport plane, but they do have the flat | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
bed seats, a few hours sleep on the way. We need t you barely touch | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
ground in Kandahar and we are on the road. First stop, what they | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
call All Hands Call. The 64-year- old Admiral likes to share his | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
experience with the young troops. Many of you succeeded that somebody | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
made a difference in your life. The only thing I ask when I talk to an | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
audience like this is you figure out way to make a difference in | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
somebody else's life. And more importantly, hear from them. This | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
is said to be the bit of the job the Admiral loves, meeting the | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
soldiers on the frontline, and hearing their stories. Handing out | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
coins, or medals is a military tradition. Morale is high in these | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
troops, some aren't clear why they are here. What is the official | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
answer for why we are here still, that you would say to an Afghan who | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
says you got Osama Bin Laden, why are you still here. There is a lot | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
more to Osama Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda is not dead, they are still | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
threatening us, internationally they are still coming after us. | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
They still would choose to kill as many Americans as they possibly | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
comfortable while they are down they are a long way from being out. | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
There is still plenty of work to do. Back to the tarmac. | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
Admiral Mullen has some help on the trip to cheer up the troops. | :42:42. | :42:49. | |
Everyone wants their picture taken. With basketball giant Karl Malone, | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
magician, David Blaine, and the ever-smiling comedian, Jon Stewart. | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
None of these stars have been to Afghanistan before. Admiral Mullen | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
is taking them across the southern provinces that have seen the worst | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
fighting in this war. Our next stop, Mel mand. All this is a novelty for | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
them. But it is their way of showing appreciation for what the | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
troops do every day. The main reason for coming on the trip | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
honestly was to be able to let them know that we are thinking about | :43:19. | :43:26. | |
them Stateside. It is a long war, it is a tough war, and they have | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
bourne the burden of this overwhelmingly, the military | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
families, and just to let them know people are thinking about them. | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
When you go back to the television studio, what will you tell the | :43:36. | :43:42. | |
world about this? This is for me and between me and then. Admiral | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
Mullen's message on this trip is security is much better, but the | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
Taliban are still able to carry out major takes and assassinations. The | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
US sent in tens of thousands of extra troops last year, to try to | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
turn the tide. But this war has gone on for a decade now. This is | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
about the Afghan people, and this is also about putting the Afghan | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
security forces in charge of their own destiny. Over the next few | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
months, some of the US soldiers here could be going home, as part | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
of President Obama's exit plan, but by 2014, the Afghans are meant to | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
be fully in charge. The big question is, will they be | :44:23. | :44:33. | |
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ready? These Afghans say they will be. | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
They proudly sing that they are soldiers and they defend their | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
country like lions. There is concern there won't be enough well- | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
trained troops and police to take on a determined enemy like the | :44:46. | :44:53. | |
Taliban. Colonel Aziz heads the training at this base. He says they | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
are Afghan too they can defend their country from any threat. But | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
most Afghans hoped that by now they wouldn't be preparing for war. They | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
would be living in peace. The US and other NATO armies had big | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
dreams. Now there is not much time left. Before these American | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
soldiers will be playing ball back home, hoping they did some good | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
here. Why do you think you are doing something for America here? | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
Not only for America, just, mostly for the civilians of Afghanistan, | :45:25. | :45:32. | |
to better the place. This is a war worth fighting? Yes mam, I do think | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
it is, yes mam. Admiral Mullen knows this is likely | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
to be the last time he's out here with his troops, he know he leaves | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
behind a country beset by major problems, bad Government, big | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
corruption. But it is up to Afghans to sort them. He feels he fought | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
the good fight, even if he knows it's not over. | :45:56. | :46:05. | |
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Local health trusts and hospitals will be allowed to develop or buy | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
smaller systems. Miliband plan to curb union hold over Labour Party, | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
that will be an interesting Labour Party Conference. The eurozone | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
problems and the US problems too. The FT has Spain and Italy rushing | :46:27. | :46:34. | |
to stem bond crisis debt costs hit highs for the two countries. The | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
Mail has thousands of bureaucrats recruited since the election, | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
despite Cameron's pledge. That's all from tonight, we're back | :46:41. | :46:51. | |
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Good evening, a misty and muggy night. A few thunderstorms in | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
eastern England. Most start Wednesday, dry, fairly cloudy, | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
sunny spells developing. Temperatures rising through the day. | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
A humid day in store, setting us some thunderstorms for eastern | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
parts. North West England and the East Midlands, largely dry and | :47:31. | :47:37. | |
sunny. From the north-east, down to the London area, anyone is at risk | :47:37. | :47:43. | |
from a torrential thunderstorm during the afternoon. Mostly dry on | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
the coast, but sunshine hazy through the afternoon through | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
South-West England and Wales. Here temperatures into the low 20 still | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
feeling humid, especially in those spells of hazy sunshine. Isolated | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
light showers through the afternoon. Northern Ireland stays dry and | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
bright, with some good spells of hazy sunshine. Across Scotland a | :48:02. | :48:07. | |
generally dryer, brighter day than what we saw today, more in the east | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
and it will feel warmer. But it is a changover from Wednesday to | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
Thursday, contrast, temperatures will hold the same for northern | :48:14. | :48:20. | |
areas, but there will be some heavy downpours develops, further south, | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
temperatures take a huge drop, as we knee potentially torrential rain | :48:26. | :48:31. |