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David Cameron declares a fightback against looters, the sick society, | :00:07. | :00:13. | |
and anyone who dares say the police shouldn't be cut. As suspects' | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
homes are raided, the Prime Minister says police tactics were | :00:16. | :00:23. | |
wrong and there were simply not enough officers on the street. | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
truth is that the police have been facing a new and unique challenge. | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
With different people doing the same thing, a sickly looting in | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
different places, but all at the same time. | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
We ask the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, if it's politics that's | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
failed the people. Are parents to blame for failing to | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
discipline their children? We hear from the father of a 16 year old | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
accused of burglary in the riots. Yes, it is his responsibility. How | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
can I be to blame for something he is doing if I am asleep? | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
Can parents like him be doing more? A pop star, a former Deputy Mayor | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
of London, and an expert in family policy give us their views. | :01:03. | :01:12. | |
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And diversity behind the turmoil - Good evening. And so today, the | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
fightback from David Cameron in the House of Commons in that rare | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
recall of parliament. The PM seemed far removed from the Husky Dog | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
Hugging of his early years as leader. Today, the message was | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
unambiguous and it was tough. He pledged to crack down on gangs, to | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
confiscate rioters' assets and even to offer police new powers to curb | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
the use of social media and messaging. And he also pointed to | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
initial failings of the police, saying the tactics they had used, | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
hadn't worked. But what of the increasing calls from the | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
opposition to rethink cuts to the police? Those were categorically | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
rejected. Our political correspondent, David Grossman, | :01:50. | :01:59. | |
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reports. The riots, we have been told, were | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
pointless, a declaration of will power. Looters trying to show | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
everyone who is in charge. The same could be said about the recall of | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
Parliament, they are not debating legislation today or will they have | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
a vote, it is all about sending a message about who is in charge. The | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
rise in police numbers from 3,000 to 16,000 officers on the streets | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
of London since the Prime Minister came back from holiday seems to | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
have worked, helped by the rain, nature's gentle water cannon. In | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
the X -- in the unexpected august House of Commons, the Prime | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
Minister said what he thought were the causes. It is preposterous for | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
anyone to suggest anyone rooting in Tottenham at the weekend and three | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
days later in Salford were doing so because of the death of Mark Duggan | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
-- looting. The young people stealing and burning shops, that | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
was not politics or protests, it was theft. He outlined a series of | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
measures to help tackle future disturbances. The army could be | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
used to guard government and other buildings to free up police and the | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
law on face masks will be changed to allow police officers to order | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
anyone at to remove a hoard or mask if they think it is used with | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
criminal intent. And there will be a review of sentences but this will | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
not affect anyone involved in the riots. And there will be help for | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
victims, money to help rebuild businesses and relief from taxes. | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
there is a major problem in our society with children not knowing | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
the difference between right and wrong. This is not about poverty | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
but culture, a culture that glorified violence, shows | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
disrespect to authority and says everything about right but nothing | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
about responsibilities. The Labour leader -- the Labour leader echoed | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
the Prime Minister's statement, at no repeat of the charge some in his | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
party have made that the government's cuts were the cause of | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
the riots. For Ed Miliband, it was cut going forward that worried him. | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
It has been in stark reminder that police on our streets make | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
communities safer and people feel safer. Given the priority the | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
public attached to a visible and active police presence, does the | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
Prime Minister understand why they would think it is not right he goes | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
ahead with the cuts to police numbers he has planned? Will he | :04:32. | :04:40. | |
think again about this decision? was just the first of 20 MPs to | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
raise the question of cuts to the police budget. Now is not the time. | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
Fewer is the wrong policy at the wrong time for our society. | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
time I spent in Croydon it was incredibly powerful to hear about | :04:56. | :05:02. | |
the immense frustration and anger those shopkeepers and householders | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
and tenants felt. But the problem was that the police were not on the | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
street, the problem was not about police budgets in four years' time | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
but about the availability of the police right now. There are 32,000 | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
officers in the mat and we needed more on the streets more quickly | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
and more to Croydon, it is about now and not the budgets of the | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
future -- in the Metropolitan Police. This is where the party | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
political battle has caught fire. Over the next four years, the | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
coalition will cut the police budget by 6% in cash terms, but | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
factor in inflation and it is more like 20%. Labour says you cannot | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
make savings like that without affecting the number of officers | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
for frontline duties. The coalition says you can use in deficiencies, | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
and both have big official report to back up their case. The | :05:55. | :06:01. | |
government relies on the report of Tom Windsor which found 43% of rank | :06:01. | :06:09. | |
and file officers keep normal office hours, unlike 100% of | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
rioters. More officers are available on a Monday morning found | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
Saturday night and the government says that must change. The | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
opposition quits heavily from a report by her Majesty's inspector | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
of constabulary which says the cuts will see a reduction of 16,200 | :06:26. | :06:32. | |
police officers, but 30% of that have already been lost. And that | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
only takes the total down to what it was in 2004. But the report is | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
also pretty dismissive of the efficiency savings. Some forces, it | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
says, claim the costs will exceed the savings. The Prime Minister's | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
journey this week is not just his hasty flight back from Italy. He | :06:53. | :06:59. | |
has also gone on an ideological trick. His previous criticism of | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
CCTV is now apparently gone and he once promised to sweep away the | :07:04. | :07:13. | |
whole rotten edifice of Labour's surveillance sake -- state. | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
concerns about publishing these photographs. Bringing these | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
criminals to justice! Ed Miliband has stopped his party indulging in | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
the instincts of some to blame the riots on the government's economic | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
policy. In his critique of future police cuts, he has found a strong | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
narrative and it is now down to who the public believes. | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
Well, David Cameron has said that the riots showed that pockets of | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
our society are sick. Does Labour leader Ed Miliband agree? I caught | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
up with him a short while ago to find out. I would not put it that | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
way. I think there are people in our society who did appalling and | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
sickening things and I have been horrified by what happened, and | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
never thought it would come to this in Britain and it would happen. I | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
was in Peckham where some of the riots happened and were surrounded | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
by eight the majority of people who were good and hated what was | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
happening as much as me and you and David Cameron, so you cannot | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
describe part of our country as sick but some of the people and | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
what they have done in sick in what they did. And there were problems | :08:21. | :08:28. | |
in society we need to tackle. a curious echo of what Tony Blair | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
said in 1993, he talked of part of the country being sick, did the | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
Labour government failed to tackle it? The Labour government made a | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
difference to the country. One of the inspiring things was being in | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
Manchester this week and seen for thousands of young people who came | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
out to help with the clean-up, that is a sign of good things in society. | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
I said a few months ago we have done a lot to improve the fabric of | :08:55. | :09:01. | |
society but we have not necessarily tackled issues around affix, that | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
includes responsibility. Not just the rioting and looting and what we | :09:05. | :09:11. | |
saw this week, but other issues at the top of us -- at the top of our | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
society. And at the top of society, do you accept some of that | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
responsibility for being for party in power when these children and | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
these looters were growing up under Labour? Of course I accept | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
responsibility. I said in my response today you cannot lay the | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
blame at any single government and that is really important. Good | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
causes are complex, I think we made a positive difference to the | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
country but we have to accept out - - except our share of | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
responsibility. It is individual criminal acts but it is people who | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
think they have nothing to lose from doing first and everything to | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
gain from stealing their television, destroying people's lives and | :09:56. | :10:04. | |
businesses, appalling events. New Labour fostered that | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
acquisitive nature and were relaxed about people getting Ralphie -- | :10:09. | :10:18. | |
getting wealthy. We were wrong to say that. You have got to send a | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
message about the culture of responsibility throughout society. | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
I am not going to say that bankers are like the looters, that is | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
ridiculous. But the echo of a lack of responsibility we have seen at | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
the top of society from some people in the banking community, from MPs, | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
even phone hacking, that ethic is something that we need to stamp out. | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
We need responsibility throughout our society from top-to-bottom. | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
it responsible for your deputy leader to list specific coalition | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
policies, cuts to EMAs and tuition fees and 0.2 that as being | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
connected to the riots? I saw Newsnight and Harriet made it clear | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
there was no excuse for the violence. She was linking them. | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
me give you be definitive review. I will not lay the blame at the door | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
of this Government and say it happened because of cuts de EMAs | :11:17. | :11:24. | |
that is too simplistic. She did. She did not, but let's not argue | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
about what she said. It is too complicated to say it is just the | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
blame of one government or policy, Barak issues of responsibility. But | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
also of opportunity. Her -- there are issues. Of course it is also | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
right to say that when people think the best they can do in society is | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
stealing stuff and there are opportunities... If you are making | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
massive cuts, there was also the potential for this sort of revolt | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
against that, those with awards -- those were the words of York | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
mayoral candidate, Ken Livingston. The first thing he said it was | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
order needed to be restored and there was no excuse for the | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
violence. If he said the riots were caused by a particular policy, I do | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
not agree with that. Where any part of the riots a revolt against these | :12:24. | :12:31. | |
cuts? -- were any. That is too simplistic. The responsibility is | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
not to jump to knee-jerk conclusions from left or right. | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
That is what Ken Livingston has been doing! He said a lot of things. | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
The responsibility of us, and this is why I think there needs to be a | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
public inquiry, because we need to hear from the law-abiding people | :12:52. | :12:59. | |
and we need to reflect on the issues -- to hear from. Inequality, | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
responsibility. Societies where people do not have a stake are | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
likely to be places where social disorder happens. Was Harriet | :13:06. | :13:15. | |
Harman pulled up for what she said, and Ken Livingston? Yes? Both of | :13:15. | :13:22. | |
them are Queer there can be no excuse for it and they have to make | :13:22. | :13:31. | |
it clear -- both of them have to make it clear that. You are talking | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
today about police cuts going forward, do you think if numbers | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
are cut back to where they were five years ago, it would be an | :13:39. | :13:45. | |
apocalyptic scenario? I am level- headed and will not predict that. | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
But it is very important for the public ferry safety on the streets | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
and a visible police presence, we have seen the effect of that -- and | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
there is safety. It is not right to make cuts to police officers and | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
the public do not want that. It is their responsibility to look again | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
at that issue. I am very surprised the Prime Minister has not agreed | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
to a public inquiry. We cannot have the calamitous events of the last | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
few days and say we will not have an in-depth look. Do you think that | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
the cuts David Cameron is proposing put the British public at risk? | :14:26. | :14:33. | |
not going to put it that way. Let me put it in my way, I think the | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
cuts that have been made of very bad for society. So we are more at | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
risk? I will not save there are going to be more riots, come off | :14:42. | :14:49. | |
it! Of the public more vulnerable as a result of these cuts? What I | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
carried out, safety on the streets, the next generation doing better | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
than the last, the chances for young people, are set back by the | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
cuts. I am not going to play a word game. It is not responsible of need | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
to say there will be riots because of these cuts. People want to know | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
what difference this makes. People are interested in safety on the | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
street and there is more likely to be safety a police numbers are | :15:18. | :15:24. | |
maintained, of course that is right. So if numbers are not maintained, | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
they are not as safe? That is a word games. Safety is paramount and | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
of course you are more likely to have safety if police numbers on | :15:34. | :15:44. | |
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As we have heard, David Cameron made it clear today he believed the | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
police tactics during the riots were wrong. A charge I put to the | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
man who represents chief police officers, Sir Hugh Orde. No I don't. | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
The police faced an unprecedented situation, not just in London, but | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
across the country. They were truly unique circumstances. What the | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
service did, as it always does is learn and respond with incredible | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
speed. We went, as the Prime Minister acknowledged, from 6,000 | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
officers in London, for example, to the most officers deployed ever on | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
one event, to 16,000 the following night. At that point, you saw, | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
while the violence continued and moved around the country to | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
different locations, the force responded, I think magnificently. | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
And the officers put huge effort into protecting communities and | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
more importantly protecting life. What would you say then there are | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
far too police deployed on the streets and the tactics, bluntly, | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
were not working? I don't possess foresight, neither do my chief | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
police officer colleagues. This was a new set of circumstances. The | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
trick there is to make sure you respond and learn quickly. One of | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
the great strengths of an independent police service, the | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
like of which we have in this country, is we do that. We are | :16:55. | :17:01. | |
transparent. We do learn quickly and we pull together. The leaders | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
of this service, all of whom understand the work line, because | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
they have been there, work tirelessly to support each other in | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
ACPO to make sure we have the staff at the right places. The tactics | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
decided by chief officers and their staff, being put in and the model | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
of policing sustained and the robust policing tactics we choose | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
to adopt delivered. Why did it take politicians coming back from | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
holiday to get the police to do what they already have the power to | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
do. Theresa May, for example, specifically said she had ordered | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
the cancellation of all police leave. The Home Secretary has no | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
power whatsoever to order the cancellation of police leave. The | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
fact that politicians choose to come back is an irrelevance in | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
terms of a tactic which is then developing. The vehicle tactics you | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
saw, the more robust policing tactics you saw were not a function | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
of political interference. They were a function of the numbers | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
being available to allow the chief constables to change their tactics | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
to the number of staff they had. know that cuts to police numbers | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
are coming. Do you believe it will make people less safe? We are, as a | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
police service, we are determined to keep people as safe as we can, | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
with the resources we have been given. It is true there are cuts of | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
20% to policing over this current spending period. Inevitably and | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
predictablely that will lead to less police officers. We have been | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
very clear about that. It will lead to less police staff. Therefore, | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
it's more difficult. Her Majesty's inspectorate reported the | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
leadership of the service has minimised the impact on the front | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
line by taking people out of other places. But the chief inspectors | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
acknowledged in years three and four of the spending period that | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
becomes far more difficult. We need to have some very honest | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
conversations with Governments about what we stop doing if we are | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
to maintain front-line service delivery at current levels. | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
Orde, thank you. Joining me now is the deputy leader of the Liberal | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
Democrats, Simon Hughes. Let's start there. This seems to be where | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
the political line has been drawn on police numbers. Should the | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
public be concerned about these cuts? Yes, they should be. They | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
should ask the question, will it affect the service, will it affect | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
the number of people on the street? I have always taken the view you | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
don't get a direct read across between numbers of police officers | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
and effective policing. It is how you deploy them. One example, | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
admitted by the police, this last week has revealed when you needed | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
them to be dealing with riots and demonstrations, actually most of | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
them couldn't do that, because only about one in five, of what are | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
called level two officers, who are trained to have riot control gear | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
and head gear. The rest had to be withdrawn. That is not satisfactory. | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
You need most police officers to be able to deal with that if needed. | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
That is an organisational thing you are talking about. Will the cuts of | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
20% in real terms make a difference? Of course it might make | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
a difference. The Government so far has been very firm. It is saying | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
for budgetary reasons we had the Chancellor re-enforced today, we | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
have to stand firm on public expenditure. The police will try | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
and adapt. You may well get a much more different type of police | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
service. If you have more volunteers, more civilians doing | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
more things uniformed people do. You could get as good policing the | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
numbers we will have, which is less than numbers. You say you could get. | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
Do you think we will? It depends how well the police respond. | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
you putting that to Nick Clegg as a concern? Would you like him to.... | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
Of course I have registered that it is a concern. I understand the | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
Government's position. The Government are saying at the moment, | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
look we've set our course for the next four years. We have to get the | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
economy under control. I accept that. Nick Clegg is not looking at | :21:00. | :21:06. | |
this as an issue, despite all the questions, post the last set of | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
elections, going your own way and showing your own spine, he is not. | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
I have come from a party with wr we ask you -- argue you need the | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
police out there, visible. Of course it's an issue. Nick Clegg is | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
our party leader and the Government understand that. There's one other | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
issue that clearly.... Do you think they'll change their mind on this | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
one? It is on the agenda. The difficulty for Labour in arguing it | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
is that they don't have any alternative as to where the money | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
would come from. They would have had cuts too. They would have | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
reduced the budget for the Home Office. It is not as if they are in | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
a strong position to argue.... coalition partners are the | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
Conservatives. Do you think they are having a tremor now and | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
thinking for political reasons for public reasons this will not look | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
good? There'll have to be a review of policing in England after the | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
events of this week. The Home Affairs Select Committee is the | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
right place to start. They may come up with recommendations on this | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
issue. I think the Government, an intelligent Government will want to | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
hear the evidence from the police and the public. At the moment the | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
public don't think the problems were caused by police cuts. They | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
think they were by criminality and gangs. We have to watch this space. | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
I want to get you on a few areas that David Cameron was talking | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
about. He was talking about fast- tracking people through the courts. | :22:26. | :22:33. | |
More use of CCTV. Nothing more of that edifice of Labour surveillance | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
state and a draconian sounding plan to interfere with private messaging | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
services. This must be uncomfortable territory for you? | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
live in one of the areas affected. I was out there the other night | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
seeing what was happening. I take the view you have to have curfews. | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
You have to have further powers to require people to take off their | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
face coverings. You have to ask questions about whether you can | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
just allow all the mobile phone companies.... Checking people's | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
private messaging services, this sound like something that would | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
come out of Iran. That is not what is being argued. With the co- | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
operation with the companies you address the question as to whether | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
on occasions there could be interventions. We are not there yet. | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
One last thing, we have to make sure that young people and the | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
youth services are supported. There'll be a debate about making | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
sure we do that better. Parents and young people need to be better | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
supported too. Thank you. Thank you for coming in. If your | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
child return with a brand new pair of trainers or a PlayStation, or if | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
you don't know where they were last night, question them. A rallying | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
call from community leaders to parents in the light of Britain's | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
worst rioting for decades. How many have scared to pick them up on | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
their actions or who did not think they had done wrong? Are | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
politicians right to focus on how we are raising our children? Our | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
correspondent has spent the day in Tottenham, speaking to those who | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
live there. There's no more room for it. | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
These children need a good whipping. A good whipping. | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
No respect from the parents, no understanding. Most of the things | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
you learn in life, most of them are from my friends. When you are | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
outside on the road, it's different. There's no parents about. | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
Government t police, even the X Factor have been blamed for the | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
unrest this week. Now politicians have settled on something else. So | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
now bad parenting is coming into it. Can you blame looting across the | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
country on mums and dads? There's one way to find out and it's not by | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
speaking to the parents themselves. This youth club in Tottenham helps | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
young people get out of trouble and stay out of trouble. These | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
youngsters were not involved with the riots, but they say they easily | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
could have been. There's no respect from the parents. There's no | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
understanding. No relationship. No communication. That is why they | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
think we are free to do what we want. Does that come from the | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
parents? It is the parent's fault. Obviously it comes down to your | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
primary education, which is your parents. You live with your parents | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
four or five. Then you go to school. School does not teach you that at | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
that young age. If they haven't embedded it into you young they | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
cannot expect it from you as an adolescent. Some young people are | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
oblivious to everything around them and they are about themselves and | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
they will have no regard for anything and will go against you, | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
regardless of what you taught them. I was one of those kids. My mum | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
would tell me. I wouldn't listen. I wanted to do my own thing. My mum | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
raised me the best she can, really. I don't really like with parents, | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
like when you're inside you're kind of different with your parents. | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
Like you're more good, if you know what I mean. When you are outside, | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
there's no parents about. So you kind of do what you want really. | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
You have peer pressure. It's not just what parents taught you. Most | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
of the things you learn in life, you learn from your friends. You | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
learn from school, from your association. Do you think the | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
greater influence is actually your friends rather than your parents? | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
Yeah, because I mean, like, like, I would say when you're at home you | :26:27. | :26:33. | |
only show about 30% of who you really are. When you're outside, | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
the parents don't know what goes on outside. Big emphasis of the | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
previous Labour Government was the Respect agenda and schemes to help | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
parents and children. The young people I spoke to said schemes - | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
what schemes? Do you know if your mum had any help from Government | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
initiatives when you were younger? No. She didn't have nothing to help. | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
Nothing. She never had no help, really. She just done what she knew | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
what her mother told her what to do and stuff like that. She just done | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
what she could really. Nothing direct. In summer they had summer | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
schools open. Like boxing courses open. Stuff like that. Nothing | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
direct or personal. What can they help them with? It a | :27:16. | :27:23. | |
east not going to change the kids behaviour. If you are 14-15 you | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
want to miss behave, what can your mum or dad say to you? When you got | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
yourself out of violence that was not to do with a Government | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
initiative. That was all you? was all me, really. They never done | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
nothing for me. No Government help, minimal parenting and for some of | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
these young people trouble in education. | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
I got expelled from school at 12. I was expelled from three schools by | :27:48. | :27:55. | |
12. You got excluded too? I was excluded from school. I also got | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
arrested. I was just young and silly, if you know what I mean. | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
Just going out, beating up people. Did your mum teach you that wasn't | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
the right thing to do? She tried to. She tried her hardest to, but she | :28:08. | :28:14. | |
also knows how it was because she was... She let me learn in my own | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
time f you know what I mean. She didn't pressure me. She knows how | :28:19. | :28:25. | |
the young atmosphere is, like. not too much discipline? Not too | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
much, no. Sacha takes me to meet her mother in the council house | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
they share with some of her four sisters. She says she wants to be a | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
tough parent, but the Government won't let her. | :28:38. | :28:45. | |
No. There's no bad parents. The Government, they give the kids the | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
rights. Takeaway the rights from the parents and give it to the kids. | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
So even if the parent are talking to their kids, you know. Do you | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
feel disempowered? Yeah. It's the same message we're hear | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
from teachers, police and community leaders. The question is; where did | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
the power go? Is it too late to get it back? | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
So how much are parents to blame for what has been happening. | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
Joining me now the pop star Jamelia, who grew up in Birmingham in a | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
single-parent family. Ray Lewis who works with young children at the | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
Eastside Young Leaders Academy. Dalia Ben Galim from the IPPR. | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
Thanks to you all for coming in. It is great to have you here. Jamelia, | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
talk us through, you grew up in one of the areas, actually closely | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
related to some of the rioting this week. Do you think a lot comes down | :29:43. | :29:51. | |
to parenting? I think it's very easy to blame parents. I think it's | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
- the main issue is society as a whole. I feel we are very | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
segregated. We are not paying attention to what our neighbours | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
are up to. We are not taking any responsibility. I think it's very | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
easy to live in a bubble and to think that somebody else's problem | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
is their problem. But a parent, particularly parents in the inner | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
city, they are suffering. They are going through, they are going | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
through so much. They are finding things very hard. My mum was on | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
benefits and I can tell you, for her to try and elevate our social | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
and economic situation, she had to work. Which meant that it left us, | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
some of the time to fend for ourselves. And that is what happens | :30:33. | :30:41. | |
in a lot of these inner city...: How do you get out of it? You are | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
an award-winning singer-songwriter. It might have been a different | :30:43. | :30:53. | |
:30:53. | :30:55. | ||
story for you. What do you put it I think there are so many things | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
that cause children to act in the way that we have seen. We need to | :31:00. | :31:06. | |
stop seeing this as someone else's problem. As we have seen, these | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
parents everyone is trying to blame, their children are affecting | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
everyone, not just the best situation. That is what needs to | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
stop. It is not someone else Poznan problem. We need to work together | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
and be a community, get together and work on this problem and how we | :31:26. | :31:33. | |
can change this. When you listen to this, is this essentially about it | :31:33. | :31:40. | |
relationship of children and parents? Or do the bankers have | :31:40. | :31:46. | |
something to answer for, the phone hackers? It is really interesting. | :31:46. | :31:52. | |
The diversity has shown it is not a particular group of people. And as | :31:52. | :31:58. | |
Jamelia Has been talking about, it is an issue in society. The IPPR | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
has done research around parents and it shows support around | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
universal child care to allow parents to work and know their | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
children are learning, flexible working opportunities, to build | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
those quality relationships between parents and children and that wider | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
community. Those are the policies we need to think about to broaden | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
out and tackle these challenges. Ray Lewis, parents always get the | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
blame, whatever they are doing. think parents do get a hard time | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
and in some sense that is understandable, because the home is | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
where a child spends most of their time so we expect that socialising | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
agents to be more effective. What is more important and one of the | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
things Airport the Mayor of London for his we do not want to put the | :32:47. | :32:56. | |
blame on people, it is important to make a difference -- one of the | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
things I applaud. He has had a drive... What do you make of the | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
woman who wants to be tougher on the film and wants to have more | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
discipline but says the government would not let her? If we are going | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
to look in the political sense, I am pleased that Ed Miliband took | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
some share of responsibility, because so much of Labour policy | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
has disabled and December Howard families. So we have a culture | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
where people are afraid to discipline children -- and this | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
empowered families. Some of what we have seen on the streets in recent | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
times of the manifestation of failed policies of liberalism. | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
state that became too big and welfare that became too easily | :33:41. | :33:48. | |
obtainable? I am not sure if that is the analysis, other things are | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
happening. If you think about the long-term youth unemployed, that is | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
another factor. It does not explain or condoned the riots but is a | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
reasoned and something we have to think about. It has been rising and | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
one in four young people have been out of work for 12 months, said | :34:06. | :34:14. | |
that has an effect on people's job prospects. -- so that has. Jamelia, | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
give me the free things that would make things different? Would you | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
talk about domestic abuse, and gang violence, crime? We need to start | :34:23. | :34:30. | |
with the children, particularly those who do not have male and | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
female role models. It is important for every child to get that and we | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
need a social strategy to provide that for every child. Is the | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
government ready to say you should get more if you are a married | :34:42. | :34:48. | |
couple? Marriage does not have anything to do with it. I grew up | :34:48. | :34:53. | |
without a male role model and in my adult life, I have paid for it. Now | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
I have two daughters and I am a single mother and it makes a | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
difference to me to make sure I have positive male role models | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
around my children as well as female. My mother was female | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
orientated, and it caused me issues when I was older. I genuinely | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
believe it has helped my own children. Jamelia Is talking about | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
not realising that until she was growing up, this is the problem for | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
politicians that you make policy decisions that turn out to have | :35:25. | :35:32. | |
completely failed degeneration 15 years later? That is the case and | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
these are all our children and we will pay or profit from what they | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
have become. In each of the areas where there has been crime and | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
rioting, we have seen the Mayor of London running a listening campaign | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
through community conversations trying to hear and understand what | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
is going on in people's lives. And a role-model scheme he is rolling | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
out in London will make a difference. Thank you very much, | :36:00. | :36:06. | |
and there are of a mayoral candidate, we should say! -- the | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
O'Hair are other mayoral candidates. -- there are. So when there's a 12- | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
year-old boy going through the courts for looting a bottle of wine, | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
when there's a 14-year-old girl similarly accused of nicking a pair | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
of designer jeans, what are we supposed to make of what this says | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
about our society? What kind of kids are we raising in this | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
country? Stephen Smith looks at the profile of some of those involved. | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
These are some of the criminals who had pleaded guilty in the past two | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
days two charges arising from disturbances in London and Greater | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
Manchester. They have been appearing in round the clock | :36:40. | :36:50. | |
:36:50. | :36:51. | ||
hearings that have been processing scores of defendants. This 22-year- | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
old appeared at one of the 24 hour sessions, before Westminster | :36:56. | :37:02. | |
magistrates. He was bailed over charges of violence and racial | :37:02. | :37:09. | |
harassment. As the court sat beyond regular hours, the 16-year-old | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
appeared beyond -- appeared before a juvenile court accused of theft | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
in Croydon. His father, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
spoke about his son's behaviour. What they are all -- what they are | :37:24. | :37:31. | |
alleging he has done, I am annoyed of what he has done. I cannot | :37:31. | :37:38. | |
believe... Are you ashamed? I am not ashamed, I cannot believe he | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
has done it. To be ashamed is any taking the blame but I cannot tie | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
him to a bed, I am not allowed to, I cannot hit him, I am not allowed | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
to, I cannot look him in his room, I am not allowed to. At the things | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
that parents used to be able to do, they cannot do now -- all the | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
things. This court has been operating round the clock since the | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
disturbances. Those expecting to see places like this for of the | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
underclass, whoever they are, have been in for a shock. Those facing | :38:13. | :38:22. | |
charges include middle-class people, professionals, undergraduates, the | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
well-to-do. At various hearings in London and the South of England, a | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
law student has been accused of violent disorder, the daughter of a | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
successful businessman has appeared on counts of burglary, and a social | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
worker has pleaded guilty to stealing a television set after | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
turning herself into police. When people say comic yes, some got | :38:44. | :38:51. | |
caught up in the event, it is true. -- when people say, yes. | :38:51. | :38:57. | |
Circumstances and opportunity are a great motivator. They stood around | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
and watch it and may have smiled to think the police could not do | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
anything. But many others were thinking, this is trouble, let me | :39:05. | :39:11. | |
get out of here. There is not an entirely innocent explanation if | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
you were not next to a riot for more than two or three minutes and | :39:15. | :39:25. | |
just stayed there. As police live up to their claims to arrest | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
suspects and bring them before the courts in short order, details have | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
emerged from one court about the people in the dock. Of 56 people | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
appearing yesterday at Camberwell, south-east London, a third were | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
teenagers, the biggest group in their early twenties. A 5th of | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
charges were for violent offences, but more than three-quarters were | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
for burglary. 70% of offences were committed outside the borough where | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
the accused lived, perhaps indicating gang members travelling | :39:58. | :40:05. | |
away from their patch to root. In Manchester, a boy of 12 he ran away | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
from the supermarket with a bottle of wine went to court with his | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
mother to red-necked burglary and was given a nine-month referral | :40:14. | :40:22. | |
order. -- to admit burglary. Later, both of them swore at reporters. A | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
girl of 11, here, it received a similar centres in Nottingham after | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
admitting she was part of a gang that threw stones at shops, she | :40:31. | :40:37. | |
said she did not think she would be caught. Order suspects found the | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
rhetoric was tough in the city's court. A judge told one man | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
convicted of obstructing police. Let me give you a piece of worldly | :40:46. | :40:56. | |
:40:56. | :41:00. | ||
Words of advice were not confined to the bench, as a BBC team found | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
in Manchester when they approached the family of a man who has | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
admitted burglary. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
so... So have the political -- So have the political battlelines been | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
drawn this week? And who appears to be coming out on top? Joining me | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
now are Miranda Green, a journalist and former press secretary to Paddy | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
Ashdown, Nick Watt, Chief Political Correspondent at The Guardian, and | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
George Pascoe-Watson, former Political Editor of The Sun and now | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
a partner at Portland Group Communications. | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
Is this the day Cameron stopped being a Liberal Tory and became a | :41:33. | :41:41. | |
proper Blue Tory? There is no doubt whatsoever David | :41:41. | :41:46. | |
Cameron has had a good day and has come back from his holidays and got | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
a grip on the situation. He has been prime-ministerial. It would be | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
hard for anybody not to be under these conditions. And the hard | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
right of the Conservative Party which has been looking more for | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
some sort of red meat, particularly when it comes to law and order, | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
will be pleased and satisfied by the substance which David Cameron | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
came out with today in terms of how he will deal with policing and law | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
and order. And will this last? difficulty is he is in a coalition | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
and there will be pressure from the Liberal Democrats and from the | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
Labour Party he will go on police cuts for a long time. It has the | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
Prime Minister said, at least cuts is not the reason this happened. | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
And clearly difficult, uncomfortable territory for the | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
Liberal Democrats. And we have seen from what Simon Hughes said about | :42:38. | :42:44. | |
the division. Indeed, I agree very much with George and I think David | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
Cameron did not have any option than to go in hard when he returned. | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
As we know from past experiences, one thing the public will not | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
forgive is a government not in control, presiding over a period of | :42:57. | :43:04. | |
public disorder. So it is important to assert control as the government. | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
But the unity shown in Parliament today over condemning what has been | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
Hammett -- happening as criminality, not describing it to social factors | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
like Harriet Harman will hold for a while, but there is a big | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
conversation to be had about society's values and the direction | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
of the country in the next few years as austerity bites, and these | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
issues will disrupt the government. When Ed Miliband was basically | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
saying, yes, it New Labour got things wrong, Peter Mandelson's | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
quote about the filthy rich was wrong, people look back on those | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
New Labour ways of dealing with social disorder, they are not in a | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
great position to fight back on this. Ed Miliband would say this | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
time last year he was busy burying New Labour so got himself into the | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
right place. But what is interesting from what she saw with | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
that interview with Ed Miliband and him in the House of Commons is he | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
is not going down the Harriet Harman route which he did the other | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
day of blaming the spending cuts. He is fashioning an argument to say | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
that we, everyone, is responsible for the lack of responsibility. And | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
Ed Miliband has been making this argument for some time and at two | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
levels, he says there is a lack of responsibility at the top of | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
society. So he was in a good position when the phone hacking row | :44:31. | :44:36. | |
came along. And in June, he said there was a lack of responsibility | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
at the bottom of society. It is interesting that two leaders are | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
both using what has happened as a springboard into what the rest of | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
the message for the next few months will be. Ed Miliband clearly is | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
trying to give the impression he cares about the future generations, | :44:54. | :45:00. | |
that is his big sell. David Cameron is saying to his party, I am a | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
right wing man when it comes to law and order and not a civil | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
libertarian, this is my opportunity. David Cameron is now back to the | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
territory from before the election of a broken society, the Liberal | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
Democrats not happy. Before the election, he said it was bottom up | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
and people should take responsibility, today he was | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
talking about state action. State action on CCTV, the same | :45:28. | :45:34. | |
philosophy... Is he going to stop talking about the big society? | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
I do not think he can. There will be solutions within his big society | :45:38. | :45:48. | |
The language used today is significant. David Cameron talking | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
about our "sick" sotd. You would never get a Liberal Democrats use - | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
- society. You would never get a Liberal Democrats using that phrase. | :45:56. | :46:06. | |
:46:06. | :46:07. | ||
You would not have thought it was fine for one to say oh, CCTV foot - | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
- footage. As someone who lives in a deprived area in the country, not | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
just London, how you protect the poor from gangs, this is about | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
protecting the poorest. It sound like a few of the people we've had | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
on this evening detect a slight wobble on the whole police cuts | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
number. Do you think it will change now? I don't think so. I don't | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
think there's any indication within the Government they will re-think | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
this at all. This is a numbers game. We are in this position financially. | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
They can't go back on it. It seems clear to me that the number of | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
police around over the weekend t problem was they weren't out on the | :46:46. | :46:52. | |
street. It wasn't that we had too few. We had a classic Simon Hughes | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
moment today. He is trying to have it both ways. Saying maybe we are | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
not sure about the police kurts. What happened in the Cabinet? Nick | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
Clegg stood up, pointed to the intervention, I completely support | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
these cuts. Thank you for coming in. Let's whisk you through the front | :47:09. | :47:16. | |
pages. There you go; a concealed youth leaving Manchester | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
Magistrates Court. Those comments might spring to mind about making | :47:21. | :47:31. | |
:47:31. | :47:39. | ||
The FT leads on the economic stuff. This is what we are talking about. | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
That sense that that will not alter Government policy. | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
That's all from Newsnight tonight. I will be here again tomorrow. From | :47:48. | :47:58. | |
:47:58. | :48:07. | ||
Hello. A grey, damp, drizzly start tomorrow. Some places will brighten | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
up. In the west the cloud will thicken. Further outbreaks of rain | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
for Northern Ireland and western Scot lands. That rain will drift | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
into north-west England. To the east of the Pennines I'm optimistic | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
things will brighten up and we could see sunshine across the East | :48:21. | :48:30. | |
Midlands and south-east. A misty humid day across south-west | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
England. It will be grey most of the day. Outbreaks of rain for | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
Devon and Cornwall. It shouldn't be too heavy in Wales, but further | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
north heavy rain early on in Northern Ireland. The afternoon may | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
see things turning drier, but only for a time. It will turn wet for | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
western Scotland. The far north- east should hang on to brightness. | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
That rain will move across all of Scotland during Friday evening, | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
leaving behind it Saturday, well some brighter interludes. But | :49:00. | :49:08. | |
there'll be a fair few showers across northern Britain on Saturday. | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
It should turn drier during the afternoon on Saturday. As I said, | :49:11. | :49:14. |