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Tonight, Germany's politicians back the latest bailout plan for the | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
euro. But how worried are the German people that they are signing | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
a blank cheque. First we have had a snowball, the snowball becomes | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
bigger and bigger and bigger, and sometimes it will be an avalanche. | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
You think this is making things worse? Yes, I'm afraid. | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
One of Mrs Merkel's ministers tells Newsnight why her country owes it | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
to the rest of us. 60 years ago it was us who brought war and | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
destruction over Europe, the European people did not chase us | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
away, kick us out. Rio Fredinand loses his privacy | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
case, but is it really a big win for the tabloids. Stephen Mosley | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
and Rio Fredinand's biographer debate how important the judgment | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
is. - max Mosley. In Saudi Arabia a woman driver is | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
spared the lash, is it real reform or a half hearted promise of | :01:03. | :01:09. | |
something some time. Happy St George's Day, now kiss | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
my...Jerusalem, The play that entranceed the critics and | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
delighted audiences is coming back to the London stage. Its star, Mark | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
Rylance, is here to discuss its appeal, and what it tells us about | :01:21. | :01:31. | |
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being English today. Germany's political class, with | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
some notable exceptions, rallied behind Chancellor Merkel today in | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
voting more money for the continued eurozone bailouts. Like generals | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
still fighting an ancient war, they may have solved last year's | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
problems, how close are they with getting to grips with today's | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
problems and tomorrow. Some forecast this latest move, | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
depending on the generosity of the German tax-payers, will be far from | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
the last. There is clear public anger about that prospect, why are | :01:59. | :02:06. | |
the Germans still enthralled to the European project. | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
The Volkswagen headquarters in Wolfsburg owes everything to that | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
latter day miracle, the German economy. Every day the towers are | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
stacked with new cars, by night fall most of them are empty. People | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
come from everywhere to gawp at the achievements of global industry. | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
This is the most graphic illustration of Germany as Europe's | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
economic powerhouse. For decades that is how Germans have seen | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
themselves. But for the grandchildren of a post-war | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
generation, will success be sustained? Germany may lead Europe, | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
but the euro-bailout leaves many Germans simply baffled. I'm not | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
sure if the system is right or not. When we do a decision, we go on | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
this way, or we go in this way, who knows what is right. You mean this | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
is all too confusing? Sometimes, yes. Do you think that Germany is | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
paying too much at the moment for Europe? Yes, I think so. We are the | :03:06. | :03:13. | |
country who pays the most for the Greeks. Is it possible to get the | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
money back? And in way what way? That is I think is the problem. | :03:17. | :03:25. | |
Just a few hours here in Wolfsburg reinforces the familiar message, | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
Germany's economic prowess has been keeping the European show on the | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
road. But many Germans are wondering about the numbers adding | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
up. Many Germans believe that the poorer nations, Greece and the rest, | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
have been taking them for a ride. Back in Berlin, where the bailout | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
was under debate, business leaders are irate as what they see as basic | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
rules being broken over Greece. the beginning you earn a lot of | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
money with high interest rates. Now you get the feeling that you can't | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
get back your money. And you cry for European Governments that they | :04:01. | :04:08. | |
should take liability. They should bail you out? Yes, indeed. We say, | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
that's liability. For the risks, that is one of the principles of | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
market economy.At The Bundestag, Chancellor Merkel was surviving the | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
challenge to her authority. The bailout was approved, with her | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
budget chairman, telling me this could be just the start. More | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
billions could yet be deployed to help the rescue. | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
It is necessary to do more. much more can be given? It would be | :04:33. | :04:42. | |
wrong to say any number, any figure, any ...It Is a blank cheque? It is | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
not the rise signal, in the markets. Some in Merkel's coalition believe | :04:47. | :04:54. | |
this is all too reckless? But first, we have had a snowball, the | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
snowball becomes bigger and bigger and bigger, sometimes it will be an | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
avalanche. You think this is making things worse? Yes, I'm afraid. | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
While many Germans share this angst and apprehension, even now few will | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
question the euro itself. Germans, even those appalled by the bailouts, | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
are committed to the currency. you look to different European | :05:15. | :05:22. | |
countries, then you see that in other countries we have strong | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
political parties, which are totally against Europe. Luckily we | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
don't have that in Germany yet, but the danger is growing that such a | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
party could come around. You are saying, luckily you don't have it, | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
why is it luckily you don't have it? We believe Europe is a very | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
good project. Our future lies in Europe, in a combined Europe. | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
are no Euro-sceptics in Germany, everybody believes in the project? | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
Yes. The overwhelming majority does. But the risks for this project are | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
growing immensely. So, on a night when a new | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
exhibition of ancient Greek art opens here in Berlin, how to | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
explain the German commitment to keeping modern Europe afloat. | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
think there are many things to say on this. The most prominent thing | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
is, let's call it the historical glue, is falling apart. Germany is | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
unified for 20 years now, this country has profoundly changed, it | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
is coming nicely along, it is a different Republic than the former | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
federal Republic, this structure that we need to be European, the | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
first prize, at any condition, this is fading. What we are discussing | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
now, is yes, Europe, profoundly the German people are profoundly | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
European, we want a price tag, we want to know which Europe, which | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
conditions, at which price. Wolfsburg, the town built on VW and | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
exports, you didn't have to look hard to find true believers and | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
defenders of the faith. The euro was good for Germany, I think, even | :06:56. | :07:05. | |
today, if you didn't have the euro and we had the German currency, the | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
exchanges rate would be high up, and we are not Switzerland and do | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
what they do and say we take it to the euro. The point s Germans | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
remain as tied to the euro as ever, but they are also about to be faced | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
with an economic slowdown, growth next year of just 1.5%. Don't be | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
deceived, there are rougher waters ahead. | :07:26. | :07:34. | |
After the vote was won, I talked with the German minister of labour | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
and social affairs, she's also chairman of the political party of | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
Angela Merkel, the CDU. Doesn't the overwhelming majority in the | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
Bundestag, behind Chancellor Merkel's plan, suggest you have | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
been too calm and cautious, you could have had the vote and pushed | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
harder and faster? No, we have to go step by step. Because we realise | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
now that we haven't been talking enough about where we want to go | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
with Europe, and what the consequences out of the crisis are. | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
During the last eight years we have been talking a lot about | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
regulations of lightbulbs and cucumbers, but not about the values | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
we defend in Europe. That is the time now to make sure we want to go | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
forward with Europe, we did make mistakes, we have to learn our | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
lessons and get further towards integration in Europe. But I wonder | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
if there aren't two Germans and two Berlins speaking today. There is | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
the people inside the Bundestag, who have clearly an idea of Europe, | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
but there is the people outside, the ordinary voters of Germany, who | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
are sceptical and some of them angry that you will be back again, | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
and again, and again for more money? I understand that people are | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
worried. We have a deep crisis, we are not at the end of the crisis. | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
But what was necessary is the process to realise that the problem | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
began ten years ago, when we started with our single currency, | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
the euro, which was the right decision, but we didn't fulfil it. | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
We just said we want a common currency, but we don't want common | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
discipline. Where budgets are concerned. We gave ourselves rules | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
but we broke the rules. We broke the limits for debts and now we are | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
in the process to say we have to have more discipline in Europe, we | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
need a central European player who controls those rules that are not | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
to be broken. That is the way we are now. How do you respond to the | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
argument that maybe today you solved last year's problem, and now | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
it is even worse, and for the German voters they see figures, | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
maybe a trillion euros will be needed or two trillion euros, they | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
will think maybe they are signing a blank cheque to people who have not | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
had that discipline? We have realised now that the way to get | :09:59. | :10:07. | |
into debt was slowly but surely not sticking to the Maastricht rules. | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
For the European people, for the German people, it was a process to | :10:12. | :10:19. | |
realise we have to give up some sovereignity, if we want to fulfil | :10:19. | :10:26. | |
Europe, that is to make sure we have fiscal discipline, so the euro | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
is stable but also the values of Europe stable. In Germany we do | :10:32. | :10:39. | |
have a long history with Europe. 60 years ago it was us who brought war | :10:39. | :10:46. | |
and destruction over Europe the European people did not chase us | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
away or kick us out. They gave us a hand to stand up again to become | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
competitive. Today we in Germany are strong, that is what we have to | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
remember. We are strong now, we can give solidarity, but we need to | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
implement subsidiarity too, that is the goal right now. This mixture of | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
solidarity, with clear rules, and subsidiarity, is the right way to | :11:10. | :11:19. | |
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I'm joined from Berlin by Professor Markus Kerber, one of a group of | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
German activists who has used court challenges to try to stop the | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
bailouts. You have heard one view there that today's vote was a | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
triumph for European solidarity, you also heard the view that it was | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
good Germany money thrown after bad? As you know from my different | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
statements, I consider the bailout policy as totally inadequate to | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
solve the fundamental problems of the eurozone. You can't come over | :11:51. | :11:59. | |
the discrepancy of some countries being competitive, others being | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
uncompetitive by sovereign debt crisis. Nothing will be improved in | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
Greece, Ireland and Portugal, simply by subsidising these | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
countries. As a matter of fact, Greece has been subsidised heavily | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
for more than 0 years through the European, regional and structural | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
fund. You know the result. So we simply are horrified by the vision | :12:19. | :12:26. | |
that at the moment, where this bailout is, or the beefed up | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
European financial FA - European Financial Stability Facility is | :12:31. | :12:39. | |
voted, some of these professional euro rescuers in Brussels or | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
elsewhere, mention the possibility, or the probability of enlarging the | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
fund. That means they don't have any intellectual devices to fight | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
that crisis. They say, very clearly, there is no alternative. We have | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
just heard from the minister there, that Germany has a duty to do this, | :12:54. | :13:04. | |
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you have to do it? Well, this is almost outrageous do compare the | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
war crimes of Germany with the poor fiscal governance of Greece. This | :13:09. | :13:16. | |
is a blessing to the millions of victims, which are a chip on our | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
shoulder. I find the comments of the minister most despicable. This | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
has got nothing to do with it. If we acted to, if we want to step | :13:26. | :13:33. | |
forward, it is - if we want to acted to, we want to step forward | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
in a proper way. She is a medical doctor and has not the foggiest | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
idea of the euro problems. We need to deal in a legitimate policy that | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
claims to be without alternative. Violation of the law is | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
never...Sorry To interrupt, you were thrown out by the | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
constitutional court? No, we lost a legal battle concerns, the first | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
European Financial Stability Facility. Now we have a beefed up | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
European Financial Stability Facility. And this can be very | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
easily the object of another legal challenge. I remind you of the fact | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
that my group has another challenge in the European Court of Justice, | :14:15. | :14:22. | |
because we sued Mr Trichet for his totally illegal quantitative easing | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
policy, turning the European Central Bank into a bad bank. | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Distorting competition on the capital markets, and putting so | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
much risk into the euro system that sooner or later we will have a | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
total collapse. The legal battle begins, the political battle | :14:39. | :14:47. | |
continues, and there is no German guilt that could motivate the | :14:47. | :14:54. | |
illogical and economic policy laid out by Chancellor Merkel. You raise | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
the political issue, when do you think the patience of the German | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
voters will run out with this? The politicians, the mainstream | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
politicians are saying, most Germans want this, they want the | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
euro to survive. This is the only way we can do it? This is totally | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
contrary to the polls, 85% of the Germans disapprove the bailout | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
policy. There are still a number of Germans who say we have helped | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
Greece once, now we have started the first umbrella euro rescue in | :15:22. | :15:29. | |
May, June, 2010, now we are going to beef it up, creating raw tools | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
and allowing the fund and the primary markets to be totally | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
uncompetitive with the pro-hib Biggs of monetary financing data. | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
Some politicians say we need more money, sooner or later popular | :15:43. | :15:51. | |
common sense will bring a limit to the unintelligent eurorescuers who | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
have nothing else to offer, but more debt. More debt will not solve | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
the fundamental problem of the eurozone, which is economic | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
divergance, we are a split between the north and south. That can only | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
be overcome by a monetary split of the eurozone, which reshapes it and | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
gives Greece, Portugal, Ireland and perhaps other countries, the | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
monetary freedom back, the monetary sovereignity back to enable them to | :16:19. | :16:29. | |
make devaluation and to catch up. The footballer, Rio Fredinand, lost | :16:29. | :16:35. | |
a high-profile privacy case in the High Court today. The winsers were | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
Mirror Group newspapers, it had exploits of his sex life. It is | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
seen as a victory for free speech over celebrity. Why did the judge | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
appear to take the decision? This in way, the judge said this was a | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
classic kiss and tell in some respects. A woman who claimed to | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
have a 13-year relationship with Rio Fredinand, the former England | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
capital, sold her story to the Sunday mirror for �16,000. Rio | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
Fredinand himself this was a gross invasion of his privacy, and took | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
action. The judge had to decide between two balancing things. His | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
right to privacy on the one hand, under Article 8 of the Human Rights | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
Act, and the newspapers' freedom of expression, under Article 10. Why | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
did the judge come down on the side of the newspaper, he said there | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
were very specific circumstances about the background to this story. | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
You may remember that Rio Fredinand's predecessor, as England | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
manager, John Terry, he was actually sacked by Fabio Capello | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
for alleged misdemeanors in his private life. I spoke to the media | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
lawyer today about this background. There is a public interest element. | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
Once that is engaged, and not just by Fabio Capello, but also the | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
chief executive of the FA, and also the minister of sport. There was a | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
wider public debate about whether or not Terry should have been | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
sacked for that. Once Rio Fredinand takes the role, he is implicitly | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
saying I'm man of unimpeachable behaviour, therefore I'm fit to | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
wear the England armband. If that proves to be untrue, as it has been | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
shown, then what the newspaper is entitled to do is contribute to | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
that debate. I suppose the big question, which you implied in your | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
answer, is there is specific answers here, whether this is one | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
judgment, one case, or whether we draw some wider lesson from it? | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
There has been an assumption after the phone hacking scandal that we | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
would see some general clampdown on tabloid journalistic standards, | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
more privacy cases, for example. I don't think that is clear. The | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
hacking scandal really centre on criminality, hacking phones is | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
simply against the law. Those cases are quite clear cut. Privacy cases | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
are some what different. The Rio Fredinand case centres very much on | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
the specifics of the case in terms of the public interest. You may | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
remember in 2008, Max Mosley, we will hear from him, one case in the | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
British courts saying his privacy had been invaded, the judge | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
supported him in that. I think now it is too early to say this is a | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
watershed moment. Afterall, the public interest is key, if every | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
single tabloid newspaper had to justify every single-sex scandal on | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
the basis of the public interest, they may be struggling. I'm joined | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
by Max Mosley, who has become a strong campaigner on privacy issues, | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
and the biographer of the book on Ferdinand. How do you see this, in | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
the Mirror people will be very happy with this judgment? It is a | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
brief respite for the tabloids, that is all it is. Times are | :19:46. | :19:56. | |
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changing, even in the last couple of years since Max's case. The | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
whole ethos has been rocked by the hacking cases and the types of | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
cases brought by Max and others. The Mirror has won this one, but | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
the only winners are the lawyers. I can't see this being any emphatic | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
victory for newspapers. I don't think it will make a big difference. | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
The biggest differences will happen in the circulations that are | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
plummeting, and the newspapers themselves, whether they survive | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
will be down to those factors. do you see t there is one way of | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
reading it, it is a bit of a setback for privacy and that | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
campaign and a victory for the tabloids? Only in a limited sense. | :20:31. | :20:37. | |
In the end, it depended on its particular facts and the judge's | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
assessment of the facts. That for example Rio Fredinand had held | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
himself up to be somebody of impecable moral standing, a good | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
family man and so on, so the judge attributed importance to that. | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
Personally I wouldn't, I would say as long as he plays football as | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
well as he should the rest is nobody else's business, that is my | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
view. The problem is nobody nowadays can actually sue for | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
privacy, once the story is out, you can never get it made private again. | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
Worse than that, if you sue, it actually costs you money even if | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
you won. If Rio Fredinand had won the case he would have been out of | :21:13. | :21:20. | |
pocket. I was out of pocket with mean despite earning record damages. | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
Some people can afford to do it, some people can't? Exactly, that is | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
what is so wrong. It is completely wrong, even if you have the money, | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
that you should end up out of pocket if you win a case. What is | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
outrageous is 90% of the population couldn't bring a case at all. They | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
have stopped the conditional fee arrangements, which was the one way | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
a person with limited means could bring a case. There is nothing to | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
replace it. So people have no right to justice. This one victory for | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
the Mirror isn't going to change people's perceptions of the | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
tabloids now. Which is sinking fast. I have just written a book called | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
Tabloid Tricks, which is all about the sort of things that I used to | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
get up to as a tabloid journalist, many years before phone hacking. | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
These days it is all out in the open. The case with Ferdinand is | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
different, in a sense, this woman, who decided to tell all, went to a | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
newspaper, voluntarily decided to do it, after the end of her | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
relationship. To be fair, she had the right, if she wished to do it. | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
Even though it breaches somebody else's right, that is the balance? | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
I think we are talking about his fame and whether he should be | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
captain and whether that affected t I think it is about the woman's | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
right. I'm not clear how, not this case, necessarily, but hacking and | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
all these things, have affected the culture within the tabloids? | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
Without doubt, they are terrified. Of what? Prison, probably! | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
irony, at the moment, is phone hacking meant they could get | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
stories without ever having to leave the office, now they are not | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
leaving the office because they are afraid of doing anything to get | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
into trouble. The other argument is to say that you target a particular | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
celebrity, because you find interesting things about him or her | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
sex life. You publicise t and you say that person was a role model, | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
or should have been a role model. You could say that about almost | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
anyone? In the judgment, the judge makes it clear that just because | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
you are famous doesn't mean your sex life can be debated or | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
discussed in public. Of course, the role model argument, actually a lot | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
of confused thinking there. If somebody is a role model, people | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
copy them. You wouldn't want to do something bad. But if you tell the | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
world they are doing something bad, the world tend to copy T it is | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
exactly the opposite of the effect you want. There is a weird logic to | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
that, I agree. In Max's case, he wasn't a famous personality, to be | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
fair to you. Therefore, I see these cases is so different. I think we | :23:47. | :23:53. | |
have seen a whole shrew of cases going against the - slew of cases | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
going against the tabloids, trust me on this, the rest of them won't | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
go against it. The type of journalist, it will continue. Hugh | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
Grant has talked a lot about it, he is to some people a role model, to | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
others a great actor? This is a thin defence, that is my way of | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
looking at it. This is another brick in the wall for the tabloids, | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
isn't it? Even if they are celebrating? Yes, it is another | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
brick in the wall, I have already said it is a brief respite, they | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
are going to - I don't know if they will be here in the next ten years. | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
I don't relish that, times are changing, everything around us is | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
changing and communications are changing. People are beginning to | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
realise the role model argument is completely speechless, then there | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
is the hypocrisy argument, that is also speechless, you should analyse | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
it. The tabloids are in the wrong in this debate, they are the only | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
ones with a voice, the rest of us can hardly ever answer. The fact of | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
the matter, what they are doing is confusing the issue, a fundamental | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
thing is that if you sue for breach of privacy, once it is out in the | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
open, you will never, ever get a proper remedy. The remedy is to | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
stop the thing being published in the first place. With Rio Fredinand, | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
was he wise to push this? I don't think he was very wise to push it. | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
I'm sure a lot of lawyers pushed him into it. I have to say now, he | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
has created more publicity about the case by unfortunately deciding | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
to take legal action. That isn't a defence from doing it. But I just | :25:25. | :25:32. | |
feel he has lost on all counts. Thank you very much. | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
Even the restrictive and highly conservative society of Saudi | :25:37. | :25:43. | |
Arabia is not immune from the ripples of the Arab Spring. King | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
Abdullah's decision to prevent a woman driver from being lashed. It | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
follows the budget that women will be allowed to vote. Millions of | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
Saudi men who have the right to vote don't bother, because there is | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
no elective parliament. So is Saudi Arabia truly on the cusp of real | :25:59. | :26:09. | |
:26:09. | :26:15. | ||
With turmoil all around it in the Middle East, which way is Saudi | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
Arabia heading? The turns in its policy towards women betray a | :26:19. | :26:26. | |
divided society, and uncertain leadership. When a few brave women | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
seized the steering wheel this year, in the only country in the world | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
where female driving was banned, they were mostly cautioned and | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
ignored by police. This week one was sentenced to ten lashes. A | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
decision now revoked by King Abdullah. To the delight of the | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
fellow campaigner who took to the road this summer. We were so happy | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
to hear it, as the king interfered in such a thing, that is a clear | :26:51. | :26:57. | |
message to everybody, don't punish women for doing that. And that | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
means that driving is legal, actually it is not illegal to drive | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
a car. The king's decision came just days | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
after his announcement that Saudi women will have the vote in | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
municiple elections, the only ones the kingdom allows, from 2015. It | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
is part, he implied, of a wider commitment to social reform. | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
TRANSLATION: We refuse to marginalise the role of women, in | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
every aspect of Saudi society. there is a long way to go. As | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
Newsnight reported from saud dough Arabia, earlier this year, - Saudi | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
Arabia, earlier this year, radio and TV newsrooms are one of the | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
only places women are allowed to work alongside men. They need | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
permission of a male guardian for almost all public activity. There | :27:44. | :27:54. | |
:27:54. | :27:56. | ||
is no sign of judicial reform. King Abdullah, if he was serious | :27:56. | :28:03. | |
about reform, he would have said, "I am going to do a serious reform | :28:03. | :28:11. | |
of the judiciary". The judicial, with the 700 judges. And mostly, | :28:11. | :28:17. | |
dominated by the Wahhabi religious establishment, is the biggest | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
obstacle to women's rights, full rights of citizenship in Saudi | :28:21. | :28:31. | |
:28:31. | :28:34. | ||
Arabia. But it's not just clerics, this | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
Saudi woman has become famous for her part in a campaign called My | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
Guardian Knows Best. TRANSLATION: It is just the liberals who don't | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
agree, I don't know what they want. Do they just expect a woman to live | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
without a man? Any so-called liberal I have spoken to has left | :28:50. | :28:58. | |
his wife at home, and it is only other women he wants to liberate. | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
King Abdullah has made a few small steps to advance women's rights, a | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
co-educational university, a female deputy minister, but he's 87 and in | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
poor health. Unlikely to win a battle for change against | :29:12. | :29:19. | |
conservative clerics and hardliners in his own family. Nine years ago, | :29:19. | :29:26. | |
Crown Prince Abdullah, at the time, now king, has said that women, with | :29:26. | :29:34. | |
many conditions, could be driving cars. Women were very elated about | :29:34. | :29:40. | |
this announcement. Two days later his half brother, minister of | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
interior, Prince Niaf, still a minister of interior, said the | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
announcement in the newspapers Saudi women will never, never be | :29:50. | :29:58. | |
allowed to drive cars. Prince Niaf, who some believe may | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
eventually become king, says he sees no need for elections either, | :30:03. | :30:10. | |
let alone women MPs. Meanwhile, even a decree this year to allow | :30:10. | :30:18. | |
women to work in lingerie shops, preventing customers from buying | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
their bras from male assistants was denied. In this most conservative | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
of kingdoms, butressed by its oil wealth, whatever the direction of | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
travel, movement is certain to be slow. | :30:32. | :30:38. | |
Abeer Mishkhas is a Saudi who works for the newspaper Asharq Lal-Awsat, | :30:38. | :30:43. | |
and we have a Sudanese commentator and writer on Muslim women issues | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
who has also lived in Saudi Arabia. How significant do you think the | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
question of maybe women getting the vote, and the way the king stepped | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
in about the woman to be lashed, how important is that? It is very | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
important. The vote, especially, is really an important issue. It means | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
that women finally are getting into the political process and being | :31:02. | :31:08. | |
part of T after years and years of being marginalised, now they are | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
being taken seriously and will be given a role. Now, how significant | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
that role will be depends on the women themselves, they really have | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
to fight to keep what they get right now. How do you see it? | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
is definitely something afoot in Saudi Arabia, three things in | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
succession have happened, the women to drive campaign, the right of | :31:28. | :31:33. | |
women to vote in four years time, and this recent decision to commute | :31:33. | :31:38. | |
the lashing of a woman who had dared to drive, in the past few | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
weeks. However, these are all things that have been hypothetical, | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
nothing has actually happened in real life. Nothing tangible has | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
taken place. Do you think the reaction is to the Arab Spring, | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
that the king and others around him feel they have to do something? | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
Undoubtedly there is a feeling in Saudi Arabia that something needs | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
to happen and needs to be done. I think the Royal Family is slightly | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
panicking about how to pre-empt any kind of serious opposition to it. | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
But, so far we're hearing a lot of words, but no action. Is that a | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
fair point, and also on the voting question, Saudi men could vote | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
today, but many don't bother to register because you can't vote for | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
a parliament, you can vote for local councils, but half of those | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
members are appointed any way. There doesn't seem much point, it | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
seems a process without any result? You are right, I think a lot of men | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
they are not showing up in the polls today. But the thing is I | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
think women will take it as a challenge, because they have been | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
deprived of that right before. And now they want to prove a point, and | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
I think it is going to be significant. I think they are going | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
to make a difference. Is the driving question, is that a big | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
practical issue, or is it just a symbol of something? It is both, | :32:52. | :32:58. | |
actually. It is a very, it is an issue that touches every woman in | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
sud Saudi Arabia. It is really hard to - Saudi Arabia, it is really | :33:02. | :33:08. | |
hard to be able to move around. For a lot of women who have been | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
commenting on the king's latest decrees, they are saying driving | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
can wait a little bit. These issues, we have lots of issues that have to | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
come first, we have priorities, and driving can wait a little bit. | :33:19. | :33:26. | |
would be a real concrete change. You said all these things and nice | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
words, and things are moving. What would be an important change? | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
real concrete change would be to issue licenses to Saudi women, and | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
allow them to drive. That would be something that would be very | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
tangible and erode some scepticism, but there hasn't been any kind of | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
example, physically, where anything has been done. And one thing I | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
would like to mention about the elections, it is in four years time, | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
before women can vote, anything can happen in four years. The current | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
king is very frail, he's old, his successor is older than him, and | :33:57. | :34:05. | |
also quite frail, and the second in line to the throne, Prince Niaf, as | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
mentioned, is very conservative, and has mentioned in the past he's | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
against women voting and against elections, full stop. Four years a | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
long time when you have two octogenarian leaders and one | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
waiting in the wings with a much more conservative bent. What do you | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
make of in the report we heard what would change things profoundly | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
would be reform of the judiciary, the guardianship law, and that sort | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
of thing, is that on the cards? it is talked about a lot, talked | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
about in newspapers, there is a lot of talk about it. Especially the | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
lashing case today, people started talking about how the judiciary | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
should be reformed again. But the thing is, things are happening | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
really slowly. I think people would want to see changes much quicker | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
than that. Isn't there, though an implicit bargain in the society | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
between the Royal Family and the religious leaders, and that is very | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
difficult to bring about the reforms without irritating many of | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
the religious leaders, so it is not going to happen? It is not only the | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
religious leaders. You have to consider that Saudi Arabia is a | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
very conservative company. A lot of people - country, a lot of people | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
take things differently. A lot of people, driving is, in the | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
westernised life, people shouldn't be thinking about it, they want | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
segregation all the time. It is also people in the society that | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
have to be, there is always two sides fighting really in that | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
society. You suggested in a degree of pessimism about this. How do you | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
think this will play out over the next five years? It is not | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
pessimism it is scepticism, anything can happen in the next | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
five years. If there is a legitimate and earnest desire for | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
change in the Royal Family that will filter down. If it is tokenism, | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
and the king trying to create a good legacy for himself, it has | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
shallow roots and we will find ourselves in the same position four | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
years from now. I heard a Saudi rain interviewed on the radio today, | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
he said if you give women the right to drive it will be mini-skirts | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
next and the end of the society? Some people will think that, I know | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
that. The problem is society has to accept it. And I can tell, I don't | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
know, a lot of people following Saudi know that women now go out on | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
the street more than they did before. Now they go out driving, | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
every day there is a case of this woman going out driving. So I think | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
slowly the society will accept the fact that women will be out there | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
behind the wheel and just doing their own things. | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
Thank you very much. Now, one of the biggest hits on the | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
London stage for years, Jerusalem, is about to make a return after an | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
award-winning stint on Broadway. The play was critically acclaimed | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
and much loved by audiences, as was Mark Rylance, in the central role | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
of Johnny Byron. I will talk to him about what the play means about | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
Englishness, and about his reputation as arguably the graith | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
greatest English actor of his generation. | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
Mark Rylance has been called everything from a genius to an | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
eccentric, perhaps in the theatre the one implies a bit of the other. | :37:15. | :37:21. | |
His career as an actor, theatre director, and writer, led to a | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
string of awards and extraordinary accolades, Al Pacino said he made | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
Shakespeare sound as if the Bard had written the words for him the | :37:32. | :37:40. | |
night before. Rylance was the first artistic director of the revived | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
Globe Theatre, which some predicted would be some kind of theme park | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
disSAS te, but Rylance proved them wrong, and turned it into a beloved | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
- disaster, but Rylance proved them wrong and turned it into a boufd | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
institution. The play is very English - beloved institution. The | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
play is very English. Written by Jez Butterworth, Rylance | :38:04. | :38:12. | |
was immediately drawn to the role of the wanted wildman of the woods, | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
Jonny Rooster Byron. You called him a force of nature like a dragon or | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
forest fireworks Rooster is a liar, drug dealer, waster, holding court | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
in a rundown caravan in wilt shirk railing against the authorities who | :38:25. | :38:32. | |
want to move him on. Happy St George's Day, now kiss my begger | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
arse, you puritans. Part of the appeal is that Jerusalem is a comic | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
tale from the edges of society. Pot-smoking hoodies, soulless | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
housing estates, tedious bureaucrats. Murder She Wrote...It | :38:46. | :38:53. | |
Is the deeper themes of the meaning of Englishness, now in the 21st | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
century, pasturised modern Britain, that have engaged the critics and | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
the audiences. Mark is with me now. I will ask you the most difficult | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
question first, why does that play strike such a chord, it is | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
difficult to figure out sometimes, you must have thought about it? | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
suppose I have. I have never been in a play where I have left the | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
theatre at night and found people sleeping on the concrete outside | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
the theatre to get in. It seems the people are hungry for something, | :39:20. | :39:30. | |
and the play feeds that hunger. Jez describes it as a battle of logos | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
and mythos, he says logos is the thing of needing to eat, you need | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
to distract the animal, you hit it on the head and hopefully we can | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
eat, it doesn't work for a long time and you get logos, when you do | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
eventually get to eat, you get mythos, that is the why are we here, | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
what does that mean, where do did we come from and where did we go. | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
The culture at the moment is compressing us to be so logical all | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
the time, all the economic problems. Everyone has debts, you don't want | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
to think about it all the time. It seems like the pressure on people | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
is to be logical and functional all the time, there is a great hunger | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
for something more mysterious. friend of mine said to me before we | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
came on, you know, the character you play is the sort of dodgy bloke | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
that every one of us knows a bit of. You see in the dodgy pub you drank | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
in as a teenager but you don't want to go in any more. There is | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
something about that, that strike as chord? That is why I took the | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
part, I was very impressed by people like that on the edge of | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
town when I was growing up. grew up in the suburbs? In America | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
I grew up, I also spend my summers in Kent. I was always very struck | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
when I would come back from the Midwest of America, surrounded by | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
Coca-Cola executives, to this little village, sitting hurst in | :40:55. | :41:05. | |
:41:05. | :41:06. | ||
Kent. There was a man, Mr Dycehurst, who lived in a flat, he like today | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
dress as a woman, he came down with his dress and wig on, people never | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
picked on him, they used to say hello. It was amazing, maybe | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
because it is an island, there seemed to be more of an acceptance | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
of eccentricity. You have been called an eccentric? Have I? | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
have! It is almost mandatory in a way, for anyone who tries to be | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
creative. Do you think one of the problems in this country, touched | :41:34. | :41:41. | |
on in the play, is we are squeezing out the allowing of people to be | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
eccentric, this marginal life where people are allowed to be slightly | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
weird? I don't think you can make so much money off of people if | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
everybody is independent. If everyone wants Coca-Cola from a | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
different-sized bottle the Coca- Cola doesn't make so much money, as | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
if everyone accepts it all comes in the same bottle. But you know, you | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
look around and no-one is the same. So there is basic problem in my | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
mind, in the organisations that have formed to make money out of | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
selling things. And who we really are, which is independent. Isn't | :42:16. | :42:22. | |
one of the strong things about English people, is they are | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
resistant to change, they don't like being told by the bureaucrats | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
how to do things, they hate it, it strikes a chord about Englishness? | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
I suppose so, when you go to America, there is an excitement | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
about new things in America. There is a little bit more of a cautious | :42:38. | :42:45. | |
here in England. But I feel if you do, in America everyone is your | :42:45. | :42:51. | |
best friend right away, you don't feel you get very deeply into their | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
friendship. Here people hold you off but when they let you in it is | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
more deeply. Why did it work in America, Enron, a great play, | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
Americans didn't like it. With this, they did, this is very English? | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
think it is basically about people who want to stay and have to go, | :43:08. | :43:14. | |
and people who want to go and have to stay. You know, you don't have | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
to believe in the Myan prophesis to realise the way we are living is | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
not really sustainable. Everyone has a consciousness underneath that | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
there are big changes coming. It is hard to change it in ourselves, it | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
is hard for the governors to change T but one is aware it can't really | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
go on like this. We all have a bit of rooster and are living in a wood | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
in way and it doesn't feel like it is going to last very long. I think | :43:42. | :43:50. | |
the play talks so that conscious or unconscious feeling that big change | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
is coming. Just a simple point about you, actually. Is it not | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
exhausting? It is a very fiscal play and you have no understudy, so | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
it is either you or a big hole on the stage I presume! That must be | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
really quite tiring, and quite daunting? People always say that to | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
me. But he's a very defiant character, and maybe that's a nice | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
thing about English people, that they are not to be bossed about | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
easily. Maybe they have been bossed about too much for the few | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
thousands of years. He's so defiant, if I do think for a moment in the | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
performance that I'm feeling tired, Rooster says he has things to say | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
and do. I come out really with a lot of energy. You come out with | :44:34. | :44:42. | |
energy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to do it again. There is such a lot of | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
laughter from the audience, I realise I just don't care so much | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
for film and television because the live thing is so vital. You get it | :44:51. | :44:57. | |
there and then, I'm not talking about Newsnight, I like that? | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
Making them, you know. You have been called, you have been called | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
the greatest actor of your generation, and Jez Butterworth, | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
who wrote the play, says he couldn't imagine it without you, | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
you might as well burn the script. Those are burdens? What does it | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
mean, I'm the greatest liar. I try, I try not to pay attention to that. | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
It could be a burden. But greatest just means different, really, I | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
don't know. Are you glad to be back on the London stage? It is lovely. | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
We can say some of the naughty words we can't say in puritan | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
America. I did hear about that, on that happy note we will leave it | :45:35. | :45:45. | |
:45:45. | :45:45. | ||
Apology for the loss of subtitles for 42 seconds | :45:45. | :46:28. | |
there. That's all from Newsnight tonight. | :46:28. | :46:38. | |
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Emily is here tomorrow. From all of Is the heat going to hold on into | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
the weekend I hear you ask. For many of us the answer is yes, | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
though not for all. The weather front in the North West will bring | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
changes to some parts of the UK, it will start to rain across Northern | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
Ireland and western Scotland during the course of the day. But further | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
south and east it is, as you were, more of the same, another hot and | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
sunny day across the heart of England. With temperatures shth | :47:22. | :47:28. | |
shooting up into the mid-to high 20s. | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
Down across the south west of England, a little bit more cloud, | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
fringing into parts of Cornwall, western parts of Wales too. That | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
weather front approaches. Most of the West Country, most of Wales | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
will have a fine and warm day. A different story across the Irish | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
Sea, because it will turn wet for a time across Northern Ireland. Heavy | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
bursts of rain pushing into parts of western Scotland as well. | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
Further east across Scotland, as you can see, it will be another | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
fine and pretty warm day. So, that's the set up on Friday, what | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
about Saturday? Cooler conditions spreading into other parts of | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
northern UK, patchy rain for a time. Further south, the heat holds on. | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
Into early October, and yes, we could break the all-time October | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
record. It will be touch and go for sure. A north-south divide on | :48:15. | :48:18. |