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Good evening. It's not much to look forward to, because we can all | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
expect to get old and when that happens, there is apparently no | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
guarantee we will be treated well. Four and nine, 49. This, it seems, | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
can be as good as it gets. In half the hospitals of England, might not | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
even be fed properly does this reflect a broader culture of | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
contempt for older people in Britain. | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
How do you think older people are treated these days? They are | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
forgotten, once you reach retirement and you retire, that's | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
it, you are more or less forgotten. Is the best to hope for to be | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
laughed at? Oh, I do not believe it. Look at this. | :00:48. | :00:55. | |
The Labour MP who went to jail for fiddling his expenses believes he | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
was scapegoated. In his first television interview, I will be | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
asking if he really expects public sympathy. | :01:01. | :01:10. | |
Are you any less likely to put this sort of stuff in your mouth if | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
someone in authority tells you that you need to think about your health. | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
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The Defence Secretary says it is back to business as normal, is it? | :01:28. | :01:36. | |
The figures, the scenes described the testimony of families all add | :01:36. | :01:45. | |
up to a hugely - hospitals breaking the law in their so-called their. | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
There is much talk of improved training and better monitoring. Is | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
the real problem a question of our changed attitudes to old age. It | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
will come to all of us, as the Israeli Prime Minister, Golda Meir, | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
once commented, it is like a plane going through a storm, once you are | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
aboard, there is nothing much you can do. | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
Four and nine, 49. If life really is a lottery, then what kind of a | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
result is it for you when 65 and 70, and even higher numbers start | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
coming around. On the one hand we are living longer. On the other, it | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
is no thanks to the way some hospitals have been treating the | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
elderly. Today's Care Quality Commission | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
survey found that 40% of the hospitals in England didn't offer | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
what they called dignified care. One incontinent patient was left | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
unwashed for 90 minutes, despite calling for help. Doctors were | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
having to prescribe drinking water to make sure patients got a drink. | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
And food was being delivered while patients were asleep, taken away | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
before they woke up. People expect, quite rightly, that when they go | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
into hospital, they are treated with dignity, and the very basic | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
things of food and water are available to them, in an | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
appropriate way. It is fundamental to getting well again. One of the | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
hospitals that came out worst from the survey was this one in Sandwell, | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
in the West Midlands. Managers have now closed the worst ward. They | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
claim close to blaming the problem on the wrong kind of patients. | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
are quite clear that in the end, that we found that the combination | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
of patients that the nurses, particularly on the ward, were | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
being required to deal with, wasn't working. That was why, in the end, | :03:38. | :03:45. | |
we decided to split the ward. I'm not making excuses for the failings | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
the CQC have found, you have to look at it more deeply, that is why | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
we have taken the radical action we have. Most of us probably look | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
forward to pottering about in retirement, doing a few odd jobs, | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
but on the basis of what we have been hearing today about the lot of | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
the elderly in our society, there is clearly something nasty in the | :04:02. | :04:10. | |
wood shed. Half of the population aged over 75 | :04:10. | :04:16. | |
now live on their own, and half of those aged over 65 think of the | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
television as their main companion. One in ten in that age group says | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
they feel lonely. Are we just packing the elderly off out of | :04:26. | :04:35. | |
sight? Sometimes that is just what they want. Hello chaps. | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
The men in sheds are a bunch of retired chaps in South-East London | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
who like nothing better than getting out of the house and into | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
this workshop, set up by the charity Age UK. It is the banter, | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
the innuendo, the little jokes, tongue-in-cheek, that is what you | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
miss from when you pack up work. You miss your colleagues, the | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
banter, what happened yesterday and the football match, the wife's not | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
interested in that. How are older people treated these days? You are | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
forgotten, once you reach retirement and you retire, that is | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
it, you are more or less forgotten. The women have the Women's | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
Institute, there is not a lot for men, then you go down the working | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
mens' club, but you finish up as an alcoholic. John Jones, who is 72, | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
says he's the first here and the last to leave. He lives on his own | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
since his partner died last Christmas. This is a life saver for | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
me, without it I don't know what I would have done. A life saver. Do | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
you miss work? Yes, I would go to work tomorrow. A proper full-time | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
job? Roofing I used to. Do I would go roofing tomorrow, but they won't | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
let me. Could you still roof, if that is the verb? Yeah. The trouble | :05:53. | :06:00. | |
s when you are past 65 you can't get the insurance. Too often we | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
ignore what older people can contribute to society, even if they | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
are not active or at work. That is not recognised. You think about the | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
millions of people who are providing care to a loved one or | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
relative, not getting paid, doing it out of love and compassion and | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
kindness. If we think about the hundreds of thousands of older | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
people who are volunteering day in and day out, and keeping a lot of | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
our services and community groups going. What happened to respecting | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
our elders? Yes, Bruce Forsyth is still on television with Strictly. | :06:34. | :06:41. | |
Nice to see, to see you. Nice. Other famous senior, like the | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
former Liberal Democrat leader don't get off lightly. I'm Menzies | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
Campbell, the only politician with "do not resus say the" on the soles | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
of his slippers. We wish these south London pensioners a hearty | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
retirement, but more and more of us have a long time to go before our | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
numbers are up. How we are going to spend it, and how we will be | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
treated, has become an unswervable dilemma. With us now are the | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
Conservative minister, David Willetts MP, who recently wrote a | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
book about the babyboomer generation, and also Baroness | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
Warner, a moral philosopher, who falls comfortably into the category | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
of an older citizen, and Emma Soames, editor of Saga Magazine, | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
and right on the cusp. What do you think has happened to the way we | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
treat our older people? All sorts of things. It is partly to do with | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
the falling apart of the traditional family. Some families | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
work their grandparents to death, practically, looking after their | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
grandchildren. And involve them enormously. But I fear for the | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
grandparents of those families, for instance, in that recent report, | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
where they said that parents are chucking toys at their children | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
because they don't want to spend time with them. If they can't spend | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
time with their children, God help their parents. Do you get a sense | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
in some cases families are effectively dumping old people on | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
the state? I think that actually within the family there is quite a | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
lot of exchange that goes on between the generations. In a way | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
what's happened to the society, is the family is the remaining place | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
where the different generations mix up. In general, our society is | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
increasingly divided by age. We tend to work with people of the | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
same age group, the housing tends to be with people of the same age | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
group, the family is the only space where the intergenerational | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
exchanges survive. How did we get to this point, there used to be a | :08:50. | :08:56. | |
time when wisdom was prized and age of venerated, and now it is | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
completely the reverse, youth is venerated? I think wisdom was | :09:00. | :09:07. | |
prized, it was a bit of a myth really that. I know in ancient | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
Greece wisdom was supposed to be prized, I don't know it was prized | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
all that much later than that. But, there was a different social | :09:15. | :09:22. | |
surrounding in the family. So that the aged could usually, often be | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
taken in and taken on as part of the family. And had a role to play. | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
I think the lonely people that we hear about, are people who don't | :09:32. | :09:40. | |
have anything to do, and nothing to think about, and have no role. | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
grandfather, Winston Churchill, became Prime Minister for the first | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
time at the age of 65, it is inconceivable nowadays? Well, yes, | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
sadly, it is a reflection on the ageism of our society, rather more | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
than the ability of an enormous number of 65-year-olds. The other | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
that is happening, is old people are increasingly fiercely | :10:02. | :10:09. | |
independent. And then they get slightly hoist on their own pretard | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
when they centre their fourth age rather than their third age. They | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
don't want to be a burden and want to look after themselves. Suddenly | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
they find themselves in hospital, on their own, and needing support. | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
There are going to be more and more old people around, we're all going | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
to get old and hang around, and you will be around another 20 year, but | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
a lot of old people around. How does society begin to adjust to | :10:38. | :10:44. | |
this big change, David Willetts? Sorry, one thing I think is that at | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
a superficial level, and agreeable level, people are extremely kind | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
and nice to the old. I now recognise myself as old, at last, | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
but going around London, for instance, I find people enormously | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
helpful, and always offering to carry a suitcase or do I want help | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
up the stairs, and what not. I'm absolutely amazed by how agreeable | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
young people are. And also, how they like to talk. So going around | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
London, where I now live for the first time, find myself surrounded | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
by people I don't know, who are extremely nice to me. And I love | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
them and get on with them. But I think there is a huge difference | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
between that and caring for them in the serious sense, then they are | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
really helpless. There is a huge gulf between respecting and liking | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
the old and caring for them. think we should remember a lot of | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
older people want to contribute, that was one of the main things | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
that came across in the quick report earlier. We know that old | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
people care about the future, they care about their kids and grand | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
kids. Sometimes we get in the way. There is a charity that tries to | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
link up older people with spare ruem rooms and younger people | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
looking for housing. What is one of the biggest problems they face, | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
they say the older people are vulnerable adults and they should | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
only have a younger tenant after they have a Social Services check. | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
It is these things that get in the way of these connections, when | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
older people want to give something and receive something in exchange. | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
Have you any further practical suggestions? What we should do is | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
try to find places where different people miss. In education, the FE | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
college, where you have an older person and a younger person in | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
class together, that works better. We should look at wherever there is | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
an assumption where you have to keep different age groups apart | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
because one is a threat to the other, we should challenge that. | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
need a fundamental shift don't we? We need intelligent social design. | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
There are pockets of it. We need incredibly good local networks. I | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
should know, I live on a treat with about 50 houses in it, it is not | :13:01. | :13:08. | |
huge, I should know every single person over 80 in that treat. I | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
should be informed so if - in that street, I should be informed so I | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
could hold out a friendly hand and have them to tea. They are amongst | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
us but hidden. I'm sorry to be brutal about this, the reason | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
people don't do that, is because they don't find old people, either | :13:25. | :13:33. | |
easy, or congeejal. That's the base - congenial, that is the basis of | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
it. People are very busy, both parents tend to work, they are | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
extremely occupied. Old people, you know, in the eyes of many people, | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
they hang around, cluttering up the place and you all have to get on | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
with your lives? Who would be running the Oxfam clothes shop if | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
it wasn't for older people. Who would be doing what's left of Meals | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
on Wheels. If it wasn't for the WVS, which is womaned by ladies in tweed | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
skirts. It is fantastic. You know what I'm getting at? I would say | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
even the simplest and narrowest form of selfishness, how we treat | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
older people today is how we will be treated in the future. All the | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
things will come back to us. Just as we have an obligation to young | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
people, and the obligation we discharge to young people will be | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
how we, in turn, will be treated. Once people think through those | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
obligations in the generations, behaviour improves. There are | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
intergenerational tensions too, young people are having a very hard | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
time of it now, are they really going to welcome the idea that more | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
resources be diverted to caring for older people, who have had it | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
consistently improving throughout their lives? I don't think they | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
should or they will. I think that fundamentally we ought to be much | :14:52. | :14:59. | |
more open about dying, because I think old people ought to be used | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
to the fact that they are approaching death. I particularly | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
think that the medical profession is add fault here. Because doctors | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
really aren't interested in dying, once you know somebody is either | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
very old or terminally ill or something, doctors rather stand | :15:14. | :15:22. | |
back. But actually I think their role ought to be to talk to aged | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
people and make them realise that there is a difference between a | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
good death and lingering on. Encourage people to say, to make a | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
living will, for instance, and say if I get pneumonia, please don't | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
give me antibiotics. If more people did that I think there would be far | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
fewer of these wretched people in hospital, with which we started. | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
There is a difference between the problem of people being shamefully | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
neglected in hospital, and people being lonely in their own houses. | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
Loot of people will find that idea pretty tricky and offensive, | :15:59. | :16:06. | |
frankly? Yes, the word that most, I find most offensive in what lady | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
Warner said was the word - Lady Warner said was the word "ought", | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
it is an option, we all know it is there. We don't. Well, gof has had | :16:17. | :16:24. | |
an awful lot of, Dignitas has had an awful lot of publicity. I don't | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
think there there should be an "ought" in it. We need compassion, | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
and compassion can be taught. You can't just say we have a lot of old | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
people we better get rid of some of them. That is absolutely right. | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
Compassion very often means allowing somebody to die, rather | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
than struggling to keep them alive. But I think, in way, this is the | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
fundamental question, that so many old people in hospital are being | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
kept alive against their will. Emma Soames's point is crucial, | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
compassion can be taught. We should not allow the wider points to | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
exclude these cases that staff in hospitals should have been doing | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
better. It is now two-and-a-half years | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
since the Telegraph started publishing details of the claims | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
some politicians were making against the taxpayer. The | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
prosecutions aren't over, but four former MPs and two members of the | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
House of Lords have been sent to prise son. One of the convicted | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
politicians, the Labour member for Barnsley Central, Eric Illsley, was | :17:27. | :17:34. | |
sentenced to a year in prison, but was released early. He was | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
Barnsley's Labour MP for 23 years, he became a prison inmate in | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
February this year. Not a moment too soon for some of his | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
constituents. I think it is disgusting, I really do. He | :17:43. | :17:53. | |
deserves everything he gets. Yet he had stood for parliament and | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
within returned with an 11,000 majority, after committing the | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
offences to which he would plead guilty. Mr Illsley claimed that he | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
had been unfairly singled out for criminal investigation. When | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
charges were laid, after he had retained his seat, the Labour Party | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
expelled him. But he clung on, as an independent MP, and only | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
resigned from the Commons two days before he entered jail. His | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
offence? Fiddling his bills, falsely claiming for insurance, | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
repairs and council tax for years. He admitted stealing over �14,000 | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
from the taxpayer. In May this year, he was released from prison, three | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
months into a year-long sentence, to live at home under curfew. | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
The judge at his trial said he had tarnished the reputation of both | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
the politicians and of parliament. Eric Illsley, you accept that it | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
was right that you were tried and it was right that you were | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
punished? I pleaded guilty, I accepted what was coming to me. I | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
pleaded guilty and got on with it. I'm not expected public sympathy, | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
as you questioned in the introduction. I have never sought | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
that. The point I want to make when I accepted your invitation to do | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
this interview, is to try to explain to the public just how few | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
MPs were actually investigated by Scotland Yard. Let alone prosecuted. | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
Only a handful of MPs were investigated, hundreds of MPs were | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
allowed to repay quite large sums of money secretly. Do you think | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
everyone should have been allowed to do that? I think there should | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
have been some fairness within the system, either parliament should | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
have been allowed to deal with everyone, including me, and other | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
colleagues who were prosecuted, or Scotland Yard and the Crown | :19:40. | :19:50. | |
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Prosecution Service should have dealt with everyone. They only | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
looked at a few cases. Just because they didn't try and convict | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
everyone who committed the crime, doesn't mean some shouldn't have | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
been tryed and convicted? general public could easily think | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
that those of us who were prosecuted were the worst offenders, | :20:11. | :20:21. | |
clearly we weren't. �1.5 million was repaid by MPs by the May 2010 | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
general election, by hundreds, only a handful of cases were prosecute. | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
You have conceded you were wrong and were right to have been tried | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
and right to have been punished. You are saying not enough MPs were | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
punished? If you like, or looked at or investigated by the same | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
authorities that investigated me. Do you feel shame? Of course. Of | :20:41. | :20:49. | |
course I do. Why did you do it? at the time, and when I say "we", a | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
lot of MPs claimed the allowance as an allowance, as an annual amount | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
for the upkeep of a second home and living in London, and claimed | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
towards the maximum. You knew it was dodgy? I think everybody knew | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
it was dodgy. The system had been discredited time and time again, | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
and there were...That Is no excuse? I'm not looking for an excuse, I'm | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
not saying what I did wasn't wrong. I pleaded guilty, I put my hand up | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
and said what I did was wrong. My point is, if hi done that, surely | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
Scotland Yard or the Crown Prosecution Service should have | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
looked at every other case of those MPs who did exactly the same as me. | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
Why do you think they decided to act against you and only handful of | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
others? I have no idea, I have never been told that. I have no | :21:38. | :21:47. | |
idea why or what criteria they used for selection. I have no idea why I | :21:47. | :21:54. | |
don't know the handful of MPs were investigated that were investigated. | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
For every MP prosecuted there is a parallel case of another MP or a | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
few MPs, who have been allowed to repay in secret and carry on with | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
their careers. How many MPs were on the take? I went through the | :22:06. | :22:12. | |
expenses claims of all 650 or so MPs. I checked every one. And I | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
listed 120 who had claimed in exactly the same way as I had. | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
think there should have been over 100 prosecuted? Or investigated at | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
the very least, by the authorities who investigated, in the thorough | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
way I was investigated. Do you feel the experience of going to prison | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
did you good? No. Why not? I don't think it achieved anything. It | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
punished me, obviously, I was deprived of my liberty and sent to | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
prison. How were you treated in jail? Reasonably well, quite well. | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
I wasn't treated any differently from anyone else, I have not been | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
leased early as such, I have been released in the same way as any | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
other prisoner would have been in the same category and the same | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
circumstances as I was. As far as your current financial arrangements | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
concerned, are you getting the MPs' pension? I'm ecomomically inactive | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
at the moment. It will be hard to find work or employment in the | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
future. Are you looking? Not at the moment, no. But I'm not testing the | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
water yet. What is your pension worth? That is for me and the | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
pensions authorities. It is not great. The taxpayer is paying you a | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
pension despite what happened? much reduced pension because of my | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
age and circumstances. But not all of that pension was achieved during | :23:35. | :23:45. | |
:23:45. | :23:49. | ||
my employment as a member of Parliament. Listen up you fatties, | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
if the Newsnight audience are prepentive as a whole, then we are | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
over 50% of us obese. In some European countries Governments are | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
tackling what everyone recognises is a health timebomb by regulating | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
or taxing food manufacturers, as we do with cigarettes. But the British | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
Government announced today it believes instead of asking us all | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
to have a little think about what we eat and to stop guzzling so much | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
junk. Our science editor is here. Talk us through this? | :24:17. | :24:24. | |
Government is saying we should, essentially, eat less, quite a lot | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
less. Five billion calories aday across England. Which is the - | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
calories a day across England. Which is 500 million cheese burgers. | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
Few people would disagree with that as a health message. But there is a | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
strong reaction that in tackling obesity it is not enough in the | :24:44. | :24:54. | |
:24:54. | :25:17. | ||
scale of the problem. If we look at That's the scale of the problem. | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
This strategy is designed to deal with it. The emphasis is very much | :25:20. | :25:27. | |
on personal responsibility, and the contentious bit is that the food | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
industry is being asked only, well encouraged to take action, to | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
reduce fat, sugar, calorie content from food. Very much in emphasis on | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
voluntary action rather than legislation. That is not wholly | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
surprising, the Government has always said it wanted to work with | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
industry. Back in March the Health Secretary said let's have these | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
responsibility deals on public health. He set up five networks | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
dealing with food, alcohol, physical activity, health at work, | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
behaviour change. He's working with companies, who have to make pledges | :25:59. | :26:09. | |
:26:09. | :26:11. | ||
that they will take action. Some of The Government argues we need those | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
people, they have the expertise, the power to make changes. Critics | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
are worried that they shouldn't be anywhere near health policy. | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
Government should set policy because the policies could end up | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
hitting their profits. What has been the reaction to this strategy, | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
as such it is? It hasn't been wholly supportive today. Quite a | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
lot of critical voices saying it is all very well to ask people to take | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
personal responsibility, but you are ignoring how difficult it is to | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
do that. We are bombarded with adverts for food all the time, fast | :26:41. | :26:50. | |
food is everywhere. We are all seeding sedintary lifestyles. They | :26:50. | :26:58. | |
pointed back - living sedintary lifestyles. They pointed back to | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
policy, they said you needed sufficient intervention by | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
Government, so you are looking at taxes on fatties and sweet food, | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
you are looking at retructions and marketing. | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
Professor Philip James is President of the Interational Association for | :27:13. | :27:20. | |
the studio of obesity, and Dr Susan Jebb is a nutrition scientists at | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
the medical research group. Is this approach going to work? | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
Almost certainly not on the basis of the evidence and all the | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
analysis. Apart from what we have just heard from the Lancet, the | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
OECD, the inter-governmental think- tank in Paris, they did very | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
meticulous an allies of the economics of the disaster that is | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
to - analysis of the economics of the disaster to come, and it | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
required fundamental changes in the food supply, as well as physical | :27:53. | :28:00. | |
activity. What is gained by not adopting a more agrossive strategy? | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
We may well - Aggressive strategy? We may well make progress faster. | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
Food companies find a lot of time finding loopholes and getting round | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
it, if we can get them constructively engaging with the it | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
of it, we can make quicker and further progress by regulation. | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
There you have? They have been sabotaging every single public | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
health initiative for the last 30 years. If you talk to the top food | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
companies, and you ask them how they increased their profits, it is | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
by marketing, manipulating the price and getting their food | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
absolutely everywhere. Therefore, they are very worried, that if you | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
tackle those key things, that is going to affect the bottom line. | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
They are much better off in this sort of vague interaction and so on. | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
Are you thinking of adopting a similar strategy with cigarette | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
manufacturers? I'm responsible for food, not smoking. You believe in | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
it as far as obesity goes, why not believe it as far as cigarettes go? | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
Let's clarify what I do, I'm the independent chair of the Food | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
Network, which brings industry and public health officials together. | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
My job as the chair is to try to get the best possible deal out of | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
that structure for public health. It doesn't preclude regulation, but | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
that is the strategy which is in place, and we need, for the sake of | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
public health, to try to make as much progress as we can. As an | :29:25. | :29:32. | |
acknowledged expert in this field, do you really believe that Kraft, | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
McDonalds, KFC and business za hut r they qualified to - Pizza Hut, | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
are they qualified to advise on the subject? We are not asking them to | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
advise, we are asking them to reduce the calorie content, by | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
reducing portion size and fat content. I can't do that, the food | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
industry has to change their products. It is have difficult to | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
think how to regulate to make - it is very difficult to think how to | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
regulate to make that happen. are difficult cash-strapped types, | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
people are already having - times, people are already having | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
difficulty making ends meet, to put tax on fat and sugars and the like, | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
is simply going to increase the cost of food, why should should | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
people be expected pay for more it? That is the key point in the | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
current financial crisis. It is very clear that everybody, except | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
the rich, change their food purchases when you change prices. | :30:26. | :30:32. | |
You actual lie don't have to increase or de- actually don't have | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
to increase or decrease the price. Analysis done in Denmark shows you | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
have marked changes in food intake with very small changes in price. | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
But actually if you want to tackle this properly, and we went into | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
this with the Health Select Committee, years ago. You actually | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
need to, as with alcohol, and tobacco, and those are used more by | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
the poorer people, it is regressive. Taxes are regressive, but you have | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
to compensate that with an economic strategy, and that is exactly what | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
they are doing in Denmark. How long are you prepared to give | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
it? It is not that question, my job is to get the best out of it we | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
possibly K what is important in all the pledges we have in the food | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
network, it is a commitment to monitoring and evaluation. We have | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
to be able to see that progress is being made. I really welcome the | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
fact that. Within what time? takes time. We are monitoring these | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
things on an annual basis, we will see the progress. What is important | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
is there is a plan B. It is interesting that ministers have | :31:31. | :31:37. | |
indicated they are very viewing the international evidence to consider | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
what it is. If I was to say it is clear from the strategy that what | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
has happened sensible health- conscious people, advising the | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
Government, have been nobbled by the food companies what do you say? | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
I don't think there is any evidence for that. No evidence at all, you | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
really believe that? I do. I sit on that Food Network Panel, we have | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
half-a-dozen people from the food industry, five or six people from | :31:59. | :32:05. | |
the public health sector, we have the faculty of public health and | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition. What we have today is | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
the Government setting out a clear mandate to set out clear action. | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
They are setting the policy but asking industry to do the delivery. | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
Susan is trying to cope. We, my team saw Andrew Lansley before the | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
election, he understood all we were talking about. Who comes in | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
somebody we haven't heard about called David Cameron, saying forget | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
about it, this is all personal responsibility, I will have nothing | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
done that in any way impairs the British food industry. We better | :32:38. | :32:44. | |
hope that you are wrong and voluntary measures will work. | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
remarkable initiative if it is true, it hasn't happened anywhere else. | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
This isn't just about regulation, we need better treatment. We have | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
60% of adults already obese. This strategy is absolutely set out, not | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
only to prevent more people getting fat, but to encourage us to take | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
some real action to actually help those who have got established | :33:04. | :33:12. | |
obesity problems. Thank you very much. With the | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
nights drawing in, it is time to get a woolie sweater, it is | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
available to the 93 high street branches of Edinburgh Woollen Mill. | :33:21. | :33:28. | |
It says "designed in Scotland 100% cashmere". What the label doesn't | :33:28. | :33:34. | |
say is it wasn't actually made in Scotland, but approximately 4,000 | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
though-odd miles away, in among goalia, by North Korean workers - | :33:39. | :33:47. | |
Mongolia, by North Korean workers. Edinburgh, tradition, the castle, | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
the little craft shops where tourists can buy quality products, | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
woven in Scotland, like cashmere sweaters. Then there is Edinburgh | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
Woollen Mill, one of the UK's largest clothing chains, with 500 | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
locations around Britain. I have picked up one of their popular | :34:06. | :34:16. | |
:34:16. | :34:16. | ||
sweaters for �70, marked down from �140. The label says James Pringle, | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
100% cashmere, designed in Scotland. What it doesn't say on the label or | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
on the website, is where it was made. If you thought it was woven | :34:24. | :34:31. | |
by skilled Scottish craftsman, you are in for - craftsmen, you are in | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
for a surprise. They come from a little further away. | :34:36. | :34:43. | |
# I would walk 1,000 miles # Just to be that man that walked | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
# A thousand miles # Just to fall down at your door | :34:47. | :34:53. | |
I have come to the other side of the world to find out exactly what | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
EWM's cashmere sweaters are made. It turns out it is here, in | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
Mongolia, in an industrial zone on the outskirts of the capital. | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
They are very happy and proud to be working with Edinburgh Woollen Mill. | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
They have joined us about five years ago. We have worked together | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
to develop the prok ducts and the quality, and to - products, and the | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
quality, and to teach us how to be good export manufacturers. | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
Mongolian shepherds are some of the most prolific producers of cashmere. | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
It is no surprise that the wool is sourced here. What is rather | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
unexpected is that many of the workers at the cashmere factory in | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
Mongolia come from North Korea. The North Korean workers fill in | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
very well with Mongolian people, they are hard workers, they don't | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
complain and get stuck in, they are quite skill. They are looked after | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
by the company, they have a dormitary, food, showers, | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
television. They fit in very, very well. | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
They get food and board, but there is a mystery about what happens to | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
their wages. At the factory, we were told that the company paid the | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
North Korean Government, not the workers directly. This is the final | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
process, the section where all the cleaning, pressing, ironing, | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
quality control. Then the labelling. Can you show me one of the ones | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
that might be going to the UK? can have a look over here and we | :36:24. | :36:33. | |
can see one already packed. This is a James Pringle EWM sweater, | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
machine washable. Exactly the same as the one we bought in Edinburgh, | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
even down to the labelling. Designed in Scotland, but made in | :36:42. | :36:48. | |
Mongolia, by North Koreans. Which is strange, because North | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
Korea isn't exactly known for its stylish knitwear. North Korea is | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
better known for making missiles and testing nuclear weapons, in the | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
face of United Nations sanctions. It is the most regimented and | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
repressive regime on earth. 200,000 are held in concentration camps for | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
incurring the wrath of the leader. And North Korean citizens aren't | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
allowed to leave the country without permission, and can be | :37:15. | :37:21. | |
executed if they are caught fleeing. There is an exception, though, the | :37:21. | :37:30. | |
labour brigades. In 2009, I revealed on Newsnight, a | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
British-owned company that was using North Korean labour gangs to | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
cut timber in Russia. The money for the wages was paid directly to the | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
North Korean Government. They are earning up to $7 million a year, | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
that is going to the North Korean Government, are you concerned about | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
how the North Korean Government use that is money? As far as the | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
agreements we have in place, the money is going through to the | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
Ministry of Forestry of North Korea. As for what it is use the for in | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
North Korea is not - used for in North Korea is not of our interest. | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
While I was in Mongolia, visiting the factory that makes sweaters for | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
Edinburgh Woollen Mill, I came across this construction site. | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
There are about 50 North Korean construction workers in the pit | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
below me. It is where they eat, sleep and work. Because the | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
Mongolian security guards have instructions not to let them out | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
beyond the fence. Thousands of North Koreans have been brought to | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
Mongolia over the last few years, in an arrangement that has been | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
very profitable for the private companies that are exploiting their | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
ultra cheap labour. The question is, how much are the North Korean | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
workers benefiting themselves? A Mongolian running a kiosk next | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
door to the construction site, told me he initially thought the North | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
Koreans were prisoners because they were never let off the site. When I | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
went back to the factory where they make sweaters for Edinburgh Woollen | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
Mill. The director of exports told me that their North Korean workers | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
were treated much better, they were allowed to leave the factory. What | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
about their wages? He said they paid the North Korean Government, | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
it was up to them to decide how much they gave the workers. I | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
understand that usually with North Koreans you pay the Government and | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
the Government pays them, is that correct? We are transfering the | :39:16. | :39:26. | |
:39:26. | :39:39. | ||
So North Korea was effectively exporting its work force to raise | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
money for the regime. So is this factory which makes EWM sweaters | :39:45. | :39:51. | |
effectively subsidising the lead he, I'm back in Scotland - the leader. | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
I'm back in Scotland to see if they are happy about the North Korean | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
connection. They agreed the factory in Mongolia supplies them with | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
jumpers, and said they were made by a work force, including North | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
Koreans. To my surprise, Edinburgh Woollen Mill, did not confirm what | :40:06. | :40:12. | |
we had been told about how the North Koreans were paid. They said | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
they were told to fund were paid to North Korea or any North Korean | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
agency. That is in stark contrast to what we were told on the ground | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
which was the North Korean Government was getting money from | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
there. They say all the wages are paid | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
into the workers' bank accounts, again, that's difficult to square | :40:31. | :40:36. | |
with what we have been told in Mongolia. The company says the | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
North Koreans are people who freely left the country who-to-look for | :40:39. | :40:49. | |
:40:49. | :40:52. | ||
Again, that's difficult to reconcile with a nation which | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
executes people for trying to flee the country. I wanted to talk to | :40:58. | :41:04. | |
the North Koreans at the cashmere factory, but the embassy said no. | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
I wanted to ask how much they earned personally from the | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
arrangement. Then factory officials stopped us filming and escorted us | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
outside. Edinburgh Woollen Mill told us | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
labelling garments made in Mongolia as designed in Scotland is | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
factually correct. Although there is no longer a legal requirement to | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
label clothes with their country of origin. It is an offence to mislead | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
customers about where a product is made. The Trading Standards | :41:35. | :41:45. | |
:41:45. | :41:54. | ||
Now the Defence Secretary, Liam Fox, was unable to turn out for the | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
keel-laying ceremony for one of the most powerful submarines built in | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
Britain today. Logistical reasons, he said, had he been there he would | :42:02. | :42:08. | |
have trailed the claque that has followed him after questions were | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
raised about the precise relationship he had with friend, | :42:11. | :42:21. | |
Adam Werritty, who described him self - himself as an "advisor", his | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
charity is now defunct. The doctor was out and about today, | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
brisk on his rounds, saying all was well. We are at the end stage, | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
possibly, of the Libyan conflict. I have just had a discussion with the | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
Foreign Secretary. The conflict that is far from ended is the one | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
over the special relationship with Dr Fox's best friend. We have been | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
examining their involvement in a controversial charity. | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
Atlantic Bridge was set up by Liam Fox to promote another special | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
relationship, that between the UK and the US. Four years ago Fox | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
installed Adam Werritty to run the Bridge. By the time the charity was | :42:59. | :43:05. | |
wound up this year, he had been paid some �0,000. | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
Atlantic Bridge ran into trouble with its activities during | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
America's health care debate. The charity, in the eyes of a Labour | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
Party blogger, were breaking the rules. I first came across the | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
Atlantic scam bridge in the summer of 200 - Atlantic Bridge, in the | :43:24. | :43:32. | |
summer of 2009, when President Obama was campaigning. They used | :43:32. | :43:39. | |
the NHS as a test case of what can go wrong with health care. This was | :43:39. | :43:45. | |
buyia, and when Lady Thatcher attended a dinner by Atlantic scam | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
bridge for a medal. One of the former trustees denies it had a | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
political tilt. Not true, there was plenty across the spectrum. We were | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
very concerned about that. wasn't politically right-wing? | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
not an expert on American politics, but, yes, there are plenty. And | :44:03. | :44:12. | |
there are plenty in Britain, and on the left is Lord Asquith, not very | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
left-wing and one of my colleagues. He is a Tory peer and Conservative | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
ministers. I was just very surprised to discover they were a | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
charity. I was aware that charities aren't allowed to be party | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
political. And so I started thinking, and the more I dug on, | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
the more obvious it was to me they were a charity and political | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
organisation. They described their aim to bring the special | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
relationship back to where it was under Thatcher and Reagan. All of | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
their advisory board members were Conservative MPs, and closely | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
linked with the Conservative Party. So I wrote to the Charity | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
Commission, to alert them to my concerns. | :44:49. | :44:55. | |
On the advisory board of Atlantic Bridge was George Osborne, William | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
Hague, Chris Grayling, Michael Gove and Liam Fox. In America, too, the | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
Bridge people were overwhelmingly Conservative and Republican. The | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
Charity Commission investigated. While these investigations were | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
going on, Atlantic Bridge Inc, the American operation, was mindful the | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
whole show was under threat. When the chief executive extoled the | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
wonders of David Cameron, before the UK election last year, she | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
stressed she was speaking in a private, personal capacity, the | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
Bridge couldn't be party political. Other leading Tory ministers have | :45:29. | :45:36. | |
come over and have made a point of seeing Democrats as well as | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
Republicans. As indeed they should. Are they making any headway there? | :45:41. | :45:47. | |
Think so. But who funded Werritty's trips with the doctor. When he | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
stayed in Dubai, he reportedly cited his company as Atlantic | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
Bridge. Atlantic Bridge is transnational thing, there is | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
another organisation in the US that continues to this day called | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
Atlantic Bridge. One former Atlantic Bridger in America said | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
they had paid not one time for Werritty's travels, and described | :46:10. | :46:18. | |
the situation as a "bloody mess". Amanda Bowman who we met last year, | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
is running Transatlantic Bridge, and refused to speak on camera. But | :46:23. | :46:29. | |
did talk about the happy amateurism of the Werritty era. He's closer to | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
Liam than anyone in the world, except his wife. It is hard to | :46:33. | :46:39. | |
characterise their relationship, if you want to smell test Mr Fox on | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
any situation, Werritty was the go- to guy. | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
Liam Fox was still single minded in his job today, and is still holding | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
on to his job. I'm doing what is needed today, the Defence Secretary | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
focuses on defence. The Times tomorrow claims that Mr Werritty | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
was funded by a private was funded by a private | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
intelligence group. The Telegraph has news Dr Fox and | :47:09. | :47:19. | |
Adam Werritty attended a $500 dinner, which was not declared. | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
The Mirror has an extraordinary story about Oliver Letwin, the | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
Cabinet Office minister, he seems to be dumping a confidential and | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
secret documents, torn up, into a rubbish bin in the park. He has | :47:33. | :47:38. | |
given us a statement tonight, apparently in which he says, or a | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
spokesperson says he does some of his parliamentary and constituency | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
course dense in the park before going to work. - correspondence in | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
the park before going to work. They are not documents of a sensitive | :47:51. | :48:01. | |
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Hello, we should have more sunshine around tomorrow. The cloud already | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
breaking early in the morning across the south-east of England. | :48:08. | :48:14. | |
Some sunny spells here. Brightening up across England and Wales. The | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
bulk of Northern Ireland rainy. A much better afternoon across the | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
north of England, 16. Sunny spells in the Midland, and the best of the | :48:24. | :48:30. | |
sunshine maybe in the south-east of England, not as warm as today. 21 | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
in Southampton. Improving all the while across the south west, a grey, | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
misty start, sunshine breaking through in the afternoon. Sunshine | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
in Wales, particularly the east. The west still cloudy. More cloud | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
as you cross the Irish Sea towards Northern Ireland. A little rain or | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
drizzle not far away. Especially later in the afternoon. The north | :48:49. | :48:54. |