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Not content with hacking the phones of the families of murder victims, | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
News International also put under surveillance the lawyers seeking | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
redress for those invasions of privacy. | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
The two solicitors responsible for most of the cases against the | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
disgraced media organisation, as well as their relatives, were | :00:23. | :00:30. | |
secretly filmed and followed by private zebgtives. The ambition - | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
zebgtives. The ambition? To discredit them. | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
I was asked to do the work, I was not to stop doing the work, only | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
when the News of the World closed. We will hear from one of the | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
detectives in the cross hairs. We will hear how the News of the World | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
tried to shield the Prime Minister's then spin doctor from | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
any fall-out.The Government who said it would be tough on | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
immigration found itself letting any Tom Dick or Harry into the | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
country. Who killed off the political career | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
of the latest Papandreou to leave Greece. A member of his cabinet | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
might know the answer. And since the days of exorism and | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
bedlem, we have been failing to cure mental illness, is medical | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
science on the cusp of offering serious new hope. We are really | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
facing a tipping point here in where we are in the research on | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
mental illness. If it wasn't true it would take | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
some believing, but it is true, and News of the World admit it is true. | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
The News of the World hired a private detective to investigate | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
lawyers representing people who had been hacked by the News of the | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
World. This was not something that happened ages ago, but very | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
recently. Its implications reach into Downing Street. | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
It must have seemed the most ordinary days for the residents of | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
this house in north Manchester last year, unknown to them they were the | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
tart of covert surveillance. - target of covert surveillance. They | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
were followed and filmed by a private detective in a nearby car, | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
every move was scrutinised, they had no idea. A quick stop at Tescos, | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
then back home, all captured on film, they were trailed every step | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
of the way. It is terrifying to think that someone can be watching | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
you, following you around doing your every day things and you | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
haven't a clue they are there. If it happened then it could be | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
happening now, I'm very scared and nervous now when I go out of the | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
house. I'm looking around and seeing if anyone is there. | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
woman filmed was the former wife of Mark Lewis, Manchester-based | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
solicitor, who is leading the way in suing News of the World and its | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
publishers for hacking phones. Mark Lewis, on the right, with | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
papers in his hand, was become ago serious threat to Rupert Murdoch's | :02:55. | :03:02. | |
media empire. In 2008, two years before the surveillance on his | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
family, newsgroup paid one of his clients more than �500,000 in an | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
out of court settlement. It looked like hush money to stop the wider | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
story of phone hacking coming out. Newsnight has learned the identity | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
of the private investigator who traileded Mark Lewis's family. He | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
is called Derek Webb, a former policeman with 14 years of | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
surveillance under his belt. He ran a company called Silent Shadow, | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
earlier in the year he was asked by News of the World to trail | :03:35. | :03:42. | |
Charlotte Harris and Mark Lewis. Charlotte Harris was also targeted | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
for surveillance, News of the World believed she was having an affair. | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
When they named the other party, they wanted me to go to his address | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
the first night. I went to his address. It was clear he wasn't | :03:52. | :03:59. | |
living there. So they then told me the two addresses which were | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
solicitors firms. They basically gave me the opportunity of which | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
one I wanted to do, but to do both of them to try to see where they | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
would meet up. We don't know who authorised this specific | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
surveillance operation against Mark Lewis's family. But this dossier of | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
documents obtained by Newsnight shows on other occasions the idea | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
of using surveillance against the two solicitors was carefully | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
discussed. What these documents show is the idea of using private | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
detectives to dig around into their personal lives was discussed at a | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
very high level. But why? These documents were passed by newsgroup | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
to the Metropolitan Police as part of their investigation into phone | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
hacking. In return they released them to Mark Lewis late last week. | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
Many are e-mails from the News of the World - News Corporation | :04:52. | :05:02. | |
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solicitors. I'm devastated on many level, to | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
follow my teenage daughter is nothing short of sick. | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
documents show that News Group newspapers showed the solicitors | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
were in a relationship and passing confidential information to each | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
other to help with new phone hacking cases and they were looking | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
for evidence. Farrer & Co commissioned a firm of private | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
detectives to look into their backgrounds. On the 6th of May last | :05:35. | :05:45. | |
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year, Julian Pike from Farrer & Co The firm of private detectives did | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
not carry out surveillance work as far as we know, but they did write | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
a report seen by Newsnight, which provided a lot of detail about the | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
perm lives of Charlotte Harris and Mark Lewis. - personal lives of | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
Charlotte Harris and Mark Lewis. There is no evidence that Farrer & | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
Co commissioned the work, but we know News of the World did. | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
Many say the tactic was indefensible. News International | :06:17. | :06:27. | |
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News Group's lawyers, Farrer & Co, did not instruct Derek Webb to | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
carry out any surveillance, we wanted to ask them about the e-mail | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
that showed they were considering surveillance. They said they | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
couldn't comment on the matters without their client's permission, | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
which they don't have. There is one wrinkle, it involves the former | :06:48. | :06:55. | |
press spokesman Andy Coulsen who resigned as editor of news over | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
phone hacking. It is thought that even after he left, his laurbs led | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
by the Murdoch family, were sensitive about damaging his work | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
with David Cameron around the election time. At a meeting called | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
to discuss phone hacking six days after the election, News Group's | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
lawyer at Farrer & Co stated he had been instructed not to do anything | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
for three or four weeks to prevent further leaks around the election, | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
because of the inevitable take on Andy Coulsen. Although the | :07:23. | :07:33. | |
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It seems even after he had left News of the World, Rupert Murdoch's | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
former editor was still receiving protection from his old company. | :07:39. | :07:45. | |
Just before we came on air I spoke to Tom Watson MP, a member of the | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
committee investigating the scandal also to Mark Lewis, the lawyer | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
whose family was under surveillance. Mark Lewis, were you aware that you | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
were under surveillance? I wasn't aware of the fact, and it wouldn't | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
have occurred to me, I wouldn't think anyone would stoop that low. | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
Were you aware your family was? That is even worse, you know. It | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
never occurred to me. I have my job in my office, I'm in the court, my | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
family are well out of it. And quite rightly are out of it. | :08:15. | :08:21. | |
what does it feel like to know you were being spied on? It is horrific, | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
it was more horrific that it was my family, my children, my daughters, | :08:25. | :08:32. | |
were being infiltrated, that people were watching them, taking pictures | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
of them. It shouldn't happen, it just shouldn't happen. Tom Watson, | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
how significant is this discovery? I think it is very significant. You | :08:41. | :08:51. | |
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know, back in the summer when we interviewed James Murdoch he said | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
the main response to phone hacking was in 2010, now we see the hiring | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
of private detectives to besmirch those helping the phone hacking | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
victims. So the timing is important? It shows an utterly | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
relentless organisation, highly politic sized who would stop at | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
nothing to try to cover this case up. It is another revelation that | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
will shock people when they get to know what it means. What of the | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
remarks that indicate that there was concern about any reflection | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
upon Andy Coulsen, David Cameron's spin doctor? I think for the | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
political world that is clearly the most significant part of this, it | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
shows the company were highly politicised, they were trying to | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
close this case down, but they were also desperate to protect their man | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
at the heart of Government. This was at the time of the coalition | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
talks. Andy Coulsen was destined for a great and powerful job at the | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
heart of Government, and he got there. | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
How unusual is it, Mark, for solicitors to employ or be involved, | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
or have knowledge of the workings of private detectives? There is a | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
different matter between playing the ball and playing the man. You | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
might be investigating an have reason to investigate things that | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
are happening amongst the clients, that if it was proper to make | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
inquiries, then you would do that. But to investigate the other side's | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
lawyer, I have never come across that ever before. You have never | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
come across that? Never. You shouldn't do that, lawyers should | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
not be investigating other lawyers. Why not? It is fundamental to the | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
principle of law. For being lawyer we are meant to be able to | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
represent our client without fear for favour. But people are actually | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
trying to cause you to have fear. People shouldn't be looking at my | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
home address. People shouldn't be following my former wife, following | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
my children. People shouldn't be looking at me to see what I did in | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
my private life. Nothing about my private life could possibly have | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
affected anything that I was doing at work. | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
Well, you are familiar with what they were suggesting, we can't go | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
into the details of it, but you are aware of what they are suggesting? | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
I'm aware. Even if you take everything that they were trying to | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
suggest, even if they had been able to prove anything, it made not one | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
jot of difference to the whole case or anything. They couldn't t | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
wouldn't make any difference. The only thing that they could do with | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
that, was to try to use it to some sort of advantage to either | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
intimidate me personally, or to stop me representing my client | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
properly. They were playing the man. James Murdoch is due to be | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
appearing before your committee again on Thursday. Does it change | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
what you are going to ask him? think he's definitely going to have | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
to explain why when he said the company would get to the bottom of | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
the story the response was to hire private investigators to follow | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
lawyers around, I would imagine he would want to answer that before | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
the committee. He has serious questions to answer, because his | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
original testimony has been not just contradicted by the former | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
editor of the News of the World, but Tom Crone, the in-house lawyer, | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
I'm sure we will want to go into great detail about how his | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
recollection of the events delivers from a number of people who work | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
for him. This whole fair is getting murkier and murkier? If I'm honest | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
with you, I think this organisation is rotten to the core, and it needs | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
dealing with. This revelation tonight, shocking though it is, is | :12:34. | :12:41. | |
another examine of how we have not got to the facts, even now. They | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
themselves acknowledge this was deeply inappropriate behave or, - | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
behaviour, they have shut down the News of the World, they have | :12:51. | :12:58. | |
changed? I heard the Murdochs telling lawyers in Los Angeles they | :12:58. | :13:05. | |
would leave no stone unturned, what we now know they meant is we would | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
hire private investigators to snoop on the lawyers representing the | :13:11. | :13:19. | |
victims, including Milly Dowler's parents' lawyers. I don't think | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
shareholders would want to hear that. These facts have been dragged | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
out over weeks. To be fair, he said after these events? One would | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
imagine given his personal interest in uncovering the truth, he would | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
now know this event had taken place and at his AGM two weeks ago he | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
would be in full knowledge that plieft investigators had been hired | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
to snoop on solicitors. He either chose not the shareholder, or asked | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
the right questions to get to the facts. Either way he has some | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
explaining do. Where do you think it leaves things? There is all | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
sorts of interesting aspects in the timing, for example. They say no | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
current executives were involved in it, but the paper, the newspaper | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
had the reports. He was holding on to them a long time after former | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
executives have left, and they chose to do nothing. | :14:10. | :14:17. | |
Thank you very much. Tomorrow, Richard Watson has some | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
extraordinary revelations on surveillance ordered by the News of | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
the World, over many years. Now, if you are a criminal, | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
terrorist, or illegal immigrant intepbtd on getting into Britain, | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
this summer - intent on getting into Britain, this summer was the | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
time to do it. It is possible the only people who slipped into the | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
country were visiting church choirs. We don't know, nobody knows what | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
happened when border controls were relaxed this summer. This was not | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
what voters understood the Conservatives to mean when they | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
promised to get tough on illegal immigration. But the Prime Minister, | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
apparently, has total confidence in the Home Secretary, because, she | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
hadn't a clue what was going on! There aren't many more important | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
functions of Government than defending our borders, but, it | :15:03. | :15:10. | |
appears, to ease queue, at times, thorough passport checks had been | :15:10. | :15:20. | |
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all but abandoned. Passport controllers are supposed to scan | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
passport buy and biometrics, and compare it to the warnings index. | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
Over large parts of the summer, the Home Secretary told the Commons | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
neither happened. The border agency, she said, had taken a limited pilot | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
scheme to relax checks on EU arrivals, and extended it, without | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
ministerial approval. I did not give my consent or authorisation | :15:41. | :15:48. | |
for any of these decisions. Indeed, indeed, I told officials explicitly | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
that the pilot was to go no further than we had agreed. As a result of | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
these unauthorised actions, we will never know how many people entered | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
the country who should have been prevented from doing so after being | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
flagged by the warnings indecision. Newsnight has spoken to a serving | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
border force official here at Heathrow. He has told us at the | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
start of the summer there were so few staff on duty, that the whole | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
passport control system was, "chaotic and unworkable". The order, | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
he says, therefore, came down, relax controls, speed the queues | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
through. However, our informant tells us that relaxation actually | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
went far beyond what the Home Secretary has so far detailed. | :16:33. | :16:43. | |
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So why was the border agency under such apparent strain? Well, | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
according to the PCS union, which represents many officers, too many | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
posts have been cut. The agency is having to find savings of 20% over | :17:27. | :17:33. | |
the next four years. Our source told us that on some occasions, 600 | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
people were queuing for just two or three officers on duty. Had they | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
not sped them through, people could have been waiting for two or three | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
hours. Our source told us that the | :17:44. | :17:54. | |
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instruction to relax controls was Our informant's belief that this | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
wasn't simply a local response to local backlogs and problems here at | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
Heathrow, seems to be shared bit Home Office. Not only has the | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
director of border force operations here at Heathrow been suspended, | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
but his regional boss has been suspended, and the UK head of | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
border force has been suspended. The question is, does this scandal | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
go any higher? Labour says ministers should | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
certainly have known what was going on at the UK Border Agency? How on | :18:40. | :18:46. | |
earth did ministers not know about this? How on earth could there be | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
continual complaints, from staff, for months, and get either the | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
immigration minister, nor the Home Secretary, knew what on earth was | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
going on. At best they were deeply out-of-touch, at worse they were | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
complicit in a loss of control at our borders. | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
Britain's border problems have a long history. Way back in 2006, the | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
then Home Secretary, John Reid, described the Immigration and | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
Nationality Directorate as not fit for purpose. After more than a | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
thousand foreign prisoners were released without being considered | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
for deportation. As a result the IND was broken up, and the UK | :19:23. | :19:30. | |
Border Agency formed, in April 2008. It too has been beset by critical | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
reports. Just this month the Home Affairs Select Committee reported | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
that 14,000 asylum and immigration cases had been dumped in an archive. | :19:39. | :19:45. | |
We simply can't go on running an Immigration Service, with an agency | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
whose senior officials appear to be acting in this way. Someone has | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
really got to say it is time to have a fundamental root and branch | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
look at the UK Border Agency, so that it is fit for purpose. | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
Immigration scandals have claimed many other ministers in the past. | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
The current Home Secretary isn't facing calls to resign, but, | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
neither is she completely in the clear. The Home Office didn't want | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
to put any ministers up tonight, but we have our very own David | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
Grossman here, what has Theresa May got to explain? Tomorrow she's | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
appearing in front of MPs and the Home Affairs Select Committee, she | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
will be answering questions, not specifically on this, but MPs | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
expect to be able to raise the matters. It is simple, in the | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
Commons we heard her say emphatically she didn't authorise | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
any relaxation, beyond the limited pilot, for EU citizens. Yet in the | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
same Commons exchange we heart Yvette Cooper, the shadow Home | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
Secretary, saying they had seen the interim instructions from July 2011, | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
which said, detailing those relaxations for EU citizens, went | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
on to say, if for whatever reason it is considered necessary to take | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
further measures, local managers must escalate to the border force | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
duty director to seek authority for their proposed action. If you want | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
to go furbgts just escalate it within the border force and it is | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
OK. Labour say it is unthinkable that ministers did not sign off on | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
these interim operational instructions and if they didn't, | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
when did they become aware of them, and why didn't they scream blue | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
murder at the UK Border Agency when they found out what they were | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
writing to staff. Where does this go next? I think among the MPs I | :21:29. | :21:36. | |
have been speaking to there is an exasperation that political | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
oversight by arms length agencies doing important jobs like guarding | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
borders is not getting done. There will be a re-push, they have been | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
going on about it for a long time, that Commons select committee | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
should have the right to have confirmation hearings for the head | :21:51. | :22:01. | |
:22:01. | :22:03. | ||
of these very important agencies. Seeing 23 of the inter- the drama | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
that is the Greek crisis, the Prime Minister resigned and the country | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
says can we have more money. The Italian Prime Minister doesn't | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
resign, and his country finds it costs more to borrow from banks. | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
Finance ministers from the less feckless and bankrupt countries | :22:19. | :22:28. | |
look on and wonder how much longer can catastrophy be avoided. | :22:28. | :22:36. | |
Here in Athens, most respectable cemetaries - here in Athens' most | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
respectable cemetery lie fathers and grandfathers, including the | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
grandfather of the man who must stand out of the way, George | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
Papandreou Junior, combined membership of this political clan, | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
with an education so foreign it left him speaking English better | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
than Greek. With all those gifts it was broadly believed by the urban | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
middle-class that George possessed the qualities and values that were | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
necessary to update and modernise the Socialist Party, which had | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
followed a very, very populist model under his father, during the | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
1980s. But George some how failed to effect this turn around. In any | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
case, he failed to convince people he had a plan, that was broadly | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
consistent with humanitarian and socialist, political ideology. And | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
he failed to convince Europe that he had a plan to bring Greece out | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
of chronic debt. George Papandreou embodies too many | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
contradictions. Greeks don't mind he's a socialist from a great | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
political dynasty. It is more that the very westernised nature of his | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
education, manners and speech, which once made him so acceptable | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
to an element of the middle-class here, and to the outside world, | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
have now led him to be denounced, as distinctly unGreek. | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
Mr Papandreou, having first disappointed the Greeks, had the | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
French and Germans turn on him last week. Then they became a Dead Man | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
Walking. The mauling areceived at Cannes, | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
was a bruising illustration of now power realities, and indeed, of | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
German leadership. We are seeing German leadership, dressed up as | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
Franco-German leadership. President Sarkozy is very worried about the | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
economic gap between France and Germany, the fact that the German | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
economy is performing considerably better, and France has to pay more | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
than a percentage point more than Germany to borrow these days. This | :24:37. | :24:45. | |
worries the French. They see that Germany is very much the head of | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
the two. That is why the French are hugging the Germans close, and | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
accepting most of what the Germans want in terms of sorting out the | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
euro mess. Negotiations continued today to form a Greek national | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
unity Government, capable of agreeing to the EU's price for its | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
bailout. If they don't, German and European officials insist, the deal | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
is off. I think it is important that | :25:08. | :25:14. | |
everyone sticks to the deal. I think that the summit has decided | :25:14. | :25:21. | |
an agreement for this next round from the old agreement, but for the | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
new agreement. It must be a coherent policy. You cannot take | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
part of the programme and skip the rest, therefore, we have to explain | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
also to our people, in our countries, that this is a project | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
which has a chance to succeed. Today, attention turned to Italy, | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
where the rate at which the Government borrows reached a new | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
peak, 6.68%. The stock market rose briefly this | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
morning, on reports their Prime Minister was about to step down. | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
That gave some indication of the degree to which Mr Berlusconi | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
himself is now seen as an obstacle, and the pressure is building on his | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
country. I think Berlusconi can't last more | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
than another few days. It is absolutely essential he's no longer | :26:07. | :26:14. | |
running the country. The best option for Italy is President | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
Palitano calls on a cross-party coalition of senior figures from | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
left and right, including respectable men, such as Mario | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
Monti, the former European Commissioner, and the former centre | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
left Prime Minister, and others from the right and left, and gets | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
them to form a Government of national salvation. | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
It may be too early to confine Mr Berlusconi to the political | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
graveyard. But Italy's crisis could become the eurozone's most severe | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
yet. In the events of the last few days, it has been demonstrated the | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
determination of Germany, in particular, to defend the currency. | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
The Greek culture and tourism minister was in London today, | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
drumming up punters to visit his country, and maybe help to balance | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
the books a little bit while they are there. It could be a tough sell, | :27:03. | :27:10. | |
he's here now. Are you still tourism minister? I still am. | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
you be tomorrow? It is a question I have been asked every interview | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
today. Until the Government resigns this is my post, and I will be | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
representing my country and doing my best at it. Do you think the | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
Germans have done you a favour by forcing your Prime Minister to | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
resign and have a new Government of National Unity? I think the series | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
of events that have led us here have been a lot more complicated | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
than just asking George Papandreou to resign. What we have seen in the | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
past few weeks is an accumulation of pressures, that hoos brought us | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
to this place. The Germans - brought us to this place. | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
Germans are calling the shoots and it is right because they are paying | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
your bills? They are putting up a lot of the money that is | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
guarnteeing the process as we go along. The Germans have had a huge | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
say in this. But at the end of the day it is about the eurozone, and | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
how that survives through this turmoil. I have to remind you that | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
something most people don't realise is that the European has not been | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
monitoring the Greek economy since 2009, when we saw the numbers | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
coming out. They have been there since 2004. They made the mistake | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
of trusting the Greek Government, and the Greek Government lied them- | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
to-them, not once but twice? It was the previous Greek Government that | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
brought them in. Saying we can't be trusted, you come and have a look? | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
That is not what happened, what happened is they said we want to | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
make sure. The previous Government did this, they said come in here | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
and look at the numbers with us, so we have a pretty good picture of | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
what the situation was like. Five years down the road, is for getting | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
about the politicians for a second, is the debt was a lot bigger than | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
was reported in that period. The question I'm putting on the table | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
is, did the European Union know the real numbers? And did not disclose | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
them. Or they did not know the numbers, in which case the | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
monitoring was less. This isn't the fault of the rest of the European | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
Union, it is the fault of the Greeks. Why is it the Greeks are so | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
dishonest? That is an accusation that I would never accept. It is | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
like saying right now because you have a particular scandal in | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
British press that the British journalists are not up to the task. | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
Your Government lied about your public finance, 95% of your | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
population claimed to have an income of 30,000 euro as year or | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
less, there was a survey of swimming pools in Greek, 324 people | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
declared they have a swimming pool, the aerial survey shows 17,000, | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
this is ram pant dishonesty from top to bottom? It is very easy to | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
put labels on things. What would you call it? The most difficult | :29:51. | :29:58. | |
thing to do is change the situation we have now and move it forward. We | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
can say what happened and put our hands up in the air, that don't | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
solve a situation. What we need to do now is create the kind of | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
Government that can be trusted, and create the completely different | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
relations with the people so things can move forward. It will not | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
happen as long as there is this relationship that has been built in | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
the past. Do you feel humiliated in any sense that the Germans have | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
posed a new Government upon you? don't look at it as a relationship | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
with one-nation, I say it in a completely different way. I say | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
what Greeks are facing up to now, is the reality of the situation | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
being built over the years. We are doing that in a very condensed | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
period of time. Most trouble that we are in has been caused by | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
several things that have happened wrongly in the past. Certainly in | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
two years we are called on to correct all these things together. | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
It is a tremendous amount of pressure. I think the real people | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
we need to answer to is ourselves, and to make sure that the path | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
ahead is one that we're proud of. You behaved as many people might | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
behaved when offered free money? There was a lot of free money. That | :31:08. | :31:17. | |
is not only a case with Greece. Part of the problem is what | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
happened with the money is even the private sector was very much bound | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
to the public sector. The relationship there became more and | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
more tangled as time went by, also because of corruption. This created | :31:29. | :31:32. | |
an economy that was not competitive. In order to get Greece back on | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
track, we need to get the economy back to being competitive and to be | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
able to reach out, look out and compete with the best that there is | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
out in the world. This is not going to happen from one day to the next. | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
And I would say that if I were to describe what is happening in | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
Greece right now, you have one track, which has to do with the | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
debt and the deficit. The other track has to do with the structural | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
changes. Everybody is paying attention to the debt and the | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
deficit, all measures being looked at is in order to lower them, the | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
real reality is the structural changes need to be done to get | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
Greece to become a development al economy again. | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
- developing economy again. A bit of unalloyed good news, at some | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
point of our lives, very large numbers of us will suffer from some | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
form of mental illness. Unlike many physical conditions, the treatment | :32:24. | :32:34. | |
:32:34. | :32:34. | ||
is often imprecise, hit and miss, trial and error. This week Susan | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
Wats brings news about promises of a revolution in the way mental | :32:39. | :32:46. | |
illness is treated, it may promise life over death. This film contains | :32:46. | :32:56. | |
:32:56. | :33:13. | ||
The statistics are shocking. One in four of us will suffer some form of | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
mental illness during our lifetime, mental I will nest costs life, one | :33:18. | :33:26. | |
in six people with bye polar or other mental illnesses will kill | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
themselves. Treatments sometimes work, sometimes not, and in the | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
more severe cases we are still locking people up. But now, | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
scientists think we are on the verge of a revolution. We are | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
really facing a tipping point here in where we are on the research in | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
mental illness. Answers are being found, by delving deep inside the | :33:48. | :33:58. | |
:33:58. | :34:08. | ||
My first major suicide attempt was in 1995. It is like this black hole. | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
You convince your brain that you would be better off dead. Because | :34:14. | :34:24. | |
:34:24. | :34:27. | ||
that darkness is ...it is all encompassing. | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
Neil Tinning, otherwise known as Twink, has been living with bye | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
polar disorder for most of his life, the drugs help him, but he never | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
knows when he might have another serious or potentially deadly | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
episode. The problem of a sufferer such as myself, you are introduced | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
to a new medication regime, and you always get that plasseel seeb bow | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
effect, you think this time - placebo effect, you think this time | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
it is going to work, and four weeks down the road, after you get the he | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
havecy of the medication, and it doesn't work, and you have to come | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
off that medication, slowly, because you can't do anything | :35:03. | :35:09. | |
sudden, because that could push you into an episode, other meds and | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
combinations, 16 years down the line, after starting medication, I | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
have got to a place where I'm relatively stable, but I always | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
hate saying that, because I never know what's going to happen | :35:21. | :35:30. | |
tomorrow. There could be hope for people like Twink, scientists | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
looking at mental disorders, such as serious depression, now have | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
access to powerful new tools, made possible by advances in science and | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
technology. By understanding the mechanisms of the brain, they are | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
gaining an insight into our minds. Changing what happens in the clinic. | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
And this is what it is all about, the human brain. This one came from | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
a healthy adult female. Scientists are beginning to understand how the | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
brain works, and what makes it go wrong. | :36:02. | :36:08. | |
This is one of the key technologies given scientists that fresh insight. | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
The radiographer, or clinician will inject the subject, and one would | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
record the measurements that would emanate from the subject over a | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
period of, maybe for these particular image, maybe an hour or | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
so. Using the latest in brain scans, scientists have honed in on one | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
region of the brain that becomes overactive in depression. It is | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
called area 25. It means they can actually see what's going wrong and | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
which drugs work best. Already these scanning technologies | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
are having a real impact, they could significantly improve the way | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
patients are treated. In ground-breaking research, seen | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
by Newsnight, a London team taught computer software to recognise | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
patterns in brain images. Those patterns predict which patients | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
will go on to develop the most serious forms of psychosis. With | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
this work we are showing that when people come to us w a first episode | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
of psychosis, we can, in fact, already distinguish the people that | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
will do better from the people who will have more severe illnesses. | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
This will allow us to start I thising of using a different - | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
thinking of using a different treatment for these different | :37:21. | :37:31. | |
:37:31. | :37:31. | ||
groups of people. It is Provera Kapur's job to analyse the results | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
- Professor Kapur's job to analyse the results. Our research has been | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
at a low level. A psychiatrist will look at your problems more deeply. | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
But largely based on what your family members say about the | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
condition, they would have to make up their mind about the diagnosis. | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
There was no aid from clinical, laboratory tests or blood tests, in | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
a way that has been there for the last 50 years in the rest of | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
medicine. This is the first opportunity to take psychiatric | :38:02. | :38:08. | |
dying know circumstance beyond the scriptive. To, in some sense, based | :38:08. | :38:17. | |
in the deeper biology. It is not just brain imaging that is bringing | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
about this change, it is also in the genetics lab. The world's | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
largest genetic study of people with bipolar disorder, is taking | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
place in Cardiff. Professor Nick Craddock is in charge. We are | :38:32. | :38:39. | |
trying to identify genes and therefore molecule, involved in | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
bipolar disorder. That will give as you clear and better understanding | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
of some of the causes and triggers of bipolar disorder. One of his | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
patients is Twink, he has returned to Cardiff to give the team an | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
update on how he has been doing. Can you tell us how things have | :38:57. | :39:05. | |
been going over the last four years? I think I'm starting to see | :39:05. | :39:12. | |
the green shoots of getting better. The last four years have been | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
challenging. At times been desperate. Some of the genetic | :39:18. | :39:24. | |
findings, typically from family studies, help us know how to why | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
identify people at high risk of illness, some of those things are | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
in the clinic from day-to-day. We are already finding some of the | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
sorts of genes that seem to be important in sue Septemberability | :39:37. | :39:44. | |
with bipolar disorder, have a wider role, and also increase sue suss | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
Septemberability to things like depression and schizophrenia. We | :39:48. | :39:54. | |
are understanding why people have a complex mix of symptoms that don't | :39:55. | :40:04. | |
:40:05. | :40:05. | ||
fit neatly into a diagnostic box. As scientists begin to unpick the | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
workings of the brain. The challenge is to fine more | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
effective treatments. Up until now it is hit and miss, almost | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
stumbling across drugs that happen to work. | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
With new tools, such as brain scans and genetics, scientists are | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
talking about a much more sophisticated approach, bringing | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
the medicine of mental health, out of the dark ages and into the 21st | :40:27. | :40:37. | |
century. At the serene country retreat of | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
Britain's National Academy of Sciences, Professor Insel is brain | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
storming with a select group of UK scientists. | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
As head of a billion dollar agency in the states, his views carry some | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
weight. Their task today, to come up with new ways to treat people. | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
What is really intriguing is the development of new compounds. We | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
have one as a sort of proof of concept, called ketamine, which | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
works within three hours rather than six weeks. Is that the same | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
ketamine used as a horse tranquilliser? It is known and | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
around for decades, it was selected because people thought it affect | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
add particular molecular target in the brain, that seems to change | :41:23. | :41:31. | |
after conventional treatment with anti-depressant, people thought let | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
- anti-depleasants, people thought let's jump over that target and see | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
what happens. It is one example of how scientists are coming up with | :41:39. | :41:45. | |
faster and more effective treatment, and it is that which has them | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
excited. This is a potentially deadly illness for which you would | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
want to have treatments that don't take six to eight weeks to work. | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
You would like something to work more quickly. This is a game | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
changer in that sense. It is that kind of advance, that | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
scientists hope will change the way we all think about mental illness. | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
That this is not something that is all in the mind, from which people | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
should just pull themselves together. Their hope is that mental | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
illness will one day become just like any other field of medicine. | :42:15. | :42:22. | |
What I would foresee is over the next generation, we will move to | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
situations where psychiatry is much more like cardiology, or other | :42:26. | :42:32. | |
medical specialties, where we have a range of tests, imaging tests of | :42:32. | :42:42. | |
:42:42. | :42:42. | ||
the way the brain functions, blood tests to know suseptible factors, | :42:42. | :42:47. | |
that will help us be direct today the diagnosis and to know more | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
accurately how to help people. for Twink, that's the real promise | :42:53. | :43:00. | |
of this revolution. 3,000 people this week will attempt suicide, not | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
all are bipolar sufferers, but a large proportion of them will have | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
some mental ill-health. If we can do something about that, then, we | :43:08. | :43:18. | |
:43:18. | :43:20. | ||
can save lives. It is as black and white as that. Scientists aren't | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
saying that knowing what and where it is happening in the brain will | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
cure all mental illness. But with these tools, science is | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
transforming our approach. For many people that will be the difference | :43:32. | :43:41. | |
between life and death. Before we go, Michael Jackson's | :43:41. | :43:48. | |
doctor, Conrad Murray, has been found guilty of causing the | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
singer's death. Jackson died in June 200, following a fatal | :43:54. | :44:02. | |
overdose of a powerful sedative. Can you bring us up to speed? | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
fans, the die hard Michael Jackson fans gathering outside here every | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
day for six weeks, and screamed with tears when the verdict was | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
announced, will not know what to do with themselves, over the next few | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
weeks, when Conrad Murray will be sentenced, up to four years in | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
prison for the involuntary manslaughter of Michael Jackson. | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
The jury took less than a day-and- a-half to convict after hundreds of | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
pieces of evidence and witnesses they had heard from. They made the | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
decision pretty quickly, that is that Conrad Murray was responsible | :44:35. | :44:42. | |
for Michael Jackson's death, he provided the strong anaesthetic | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
drug that killed Michael Jackson, he didn't give him the care. He was | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
out of the room when Michael Jackson stopped breathing. There | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
was criticism that he didn't react properly, he didn't call the | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
emergency service for up to 20 minutes. There were many things he | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
did that the prosecution picked holes in and said this was not just | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
unprofessional and unethical, but criminal negligence. And the jury, | :45:07. | :45:17. | |
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pretty quickly, decided they agreed. That's all tonight. Rugby fans will | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
miss a treat this winter, the Ireland captain, Patrick O'Driscoll | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
will miss the Six Nations championship, - Brian O'Driscoll | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
will miss the Six Nations championship because of a trapped | :46:10. | :46:19. | |
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Good evening. After a chilly start to the night in Scotland and | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
Northern Ireland. Increasing cloud will bring a lift in temperatures | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
into the morning. A much greyer day to come compared with Monday. | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
England and Wales essentially as you were, grey, gloomy skies | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
overhead, producing rain and drizzle over time. Miss and hill | :46:58. | :47:03. | |
fog over time. Winds light easterly. The rain will come and go. Heavier | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
showers before the day is through, across the far south-east corner, | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
particularly around the coast. At the same time we will see | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
brightness pushing into the Isles of Scilly and western Cornwall and | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
western fringes of Wales, brightening up a touch. Most of you | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
will stick with the grey skies overhead. Still damp in one or two | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
spots. Temperatures largely 11 degrees. A grey day in Northern | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
Ireland, the breeze pick up before the day is out. Across southern | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
Scotland much cloudier, western areas a hint of brightness, the | :47:34. | :47:40. | |
best across the hebties, it could get to 16 in - Hebrides, it could | :47:40. | :47:50. | |
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