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Tonight, the Greek Government inches towards 130 billion euro | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
deal to secure a crucial second bailout. But the protesters on the | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
streets of Athens tonight are not buying it. | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
What of other European countries like Germany, who have to stump up. | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
We will be speaking to Angela Merkel's Chief Whip, and a Greek | :00:23. | :00:31. | |
Government minister. The Syrian rebels in Homs claim | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
Assad's bombardment, now in the sixth day, has cost dozens more | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
lives. Is arming the rebels a serious plan. | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
The military logic of this struggle is playing itself out on Syria's | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
streets, I will be looking at what the rebels might achieve, and what | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
help they need most. Fabio gets a golden goodbye, the | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
next man to shoulder the nation's dreams will cost millions. Is money | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
killing the game? �50 million, I think, last year, | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
was spent on a player purchased by Chelsea. What is wrong with that if | :01:03. | :01:09. | |
you can afford it? It is ridiculous. The game cannot afford it. In work | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
but on benefit, the supermarkets create jobs but not on a living | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
wage. Is it time for big business to stake the strain from tax-payers. | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
I don't think for me in my situation, actually going out to | :01:21. | :01:31. | |
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work does actually pay. Good evening. Beware of Greeks | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
bearing news of a done deal on reforms and austerity measures | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
which would clinch the new bailout of 130 billion euros. A deal that | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
becomes more urgent by the minute, as the country can't make its | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
repayments due in March without it, and is tonight being put forward in | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
front of the EU finance ministers. The German Finance Minister said | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
this afternoon that the Greek deal was not at a stage where it could | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
be signed out. But Greece's political leadership, who have set | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
a course of a big fall in living standards for most Greeks have a | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
fight on their hands. Already the two major labour unions have called | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
a 48-hour strike from tomorrow. What is the significance of the | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
deal now tonight? I think it is a fork in the road. It means Greece | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
has finally delivered what has been asked of it, since that October EU | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
summit where it all began to go wrong for the international | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
authorities. But if you look at the size of it, the three billion it | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
has delivered overnight, a 20% cut in the minimum wage. What it adds | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
up to, one analyst sent a note from one of the banks saying this, up to | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
now Greece has cut back, fiscal austerity to the tune of 16% of its | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
GDP in three years, what it has just signed up to will take it, by | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
the end of this year, to 25% cutbacks. Now, there are two | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
problems with it, one is technically, is it possible to do. | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
Because despite the fact that they have signed up to it and gone to | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
Brussels with it, one person inside the Greek Government told me this | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
tonight, it will pass through the parliament, but it's not convincing, | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
it lacks a strategy of how this country can get out of this misery. | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
Because the European authorities know that's what most of the Greek | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
politicians think, they have built in this trigger that says if you do | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
fail to implement it, technically, because the tax take runs out, or | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
there is a run on the banks, we can pull the whole thing any way. It | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
gives the Greeks from tonight the trigger, where as the Europeans | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
have had the trigger. So political obstacles to this? Massive, you | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
have seen it on the streets already. We have seen the slightly more wide, | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
populist course for things like uprising. Again, it is the fact | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
that, at the heart of the political situation now there are unknown | :03:49. | :03:57. | |
actors, unknown fact ors, rather, in the street, on the parliament, | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
can the politicians who have signed up, who are a minority in the polls | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
at the moment. The entire political establishment is in the minority, | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
can they take their people with them, as local council after | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
council loses to the opposition parties, who are at the right and | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
left extremes of politics. Thank you. We will unpick some of that | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
right now. Joining me from Athens is the Greek minister for | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
international, sorry, your film starts before that. I have a slight | :04:22. | :04:32. | |
summary of what the deal is. The new Greek bailout deals imposes | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
three billion euro of cuts from a country already realing from them. | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
They should get 130 billion in new loans and 100 billion euros of debt | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
held by banks and pension funds, should be written off. Because the | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
Greek economy is shrinking as a result of austerity, they now need | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
more. The proposal is, for the European Central Bank to take | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
losses on the value of its Greek debts, maybe up to 15 billion euros, | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
bridging the gap. So has Greece done enough? Well, | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
the and r action moved to Brussels tonight, action may be too strong a | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
word, because the German Finance Minister was still lukewarm. | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
TRANSLATION: The negotiations have come a long way, but still not far | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
enough. You don't need to wait around, because there will be no | :05:19. | :05:27. | |
decision tonight. In Athens, protest, with a strike to begin | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
tomorrow, and calls from the increasing ly popular leftist | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
parties in politics, for pass mass resistance. TRANSLATION: This crime | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
being committed against the Greek people, against the country, cannot | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
be allowed to come to pass. The bankruptcy programme will not pass. | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
The famous Greek riot dog has been quiet lately, but a showdown is | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
coming. On Sunday the Greek parliament will vote on the deal, | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
after that comes the task of quantifying the actual losses to | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
actual banks, not all are yet signed up. | :06:00. | :06:09. | |
And by the 20th of March, when Greece needs 14 billion euros, the | :06:09. | :06:15. | |
bailout money has to be delivered. And the great unanswered question | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
after that, can Greek Saturday bear it, and can the parties, who signed | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
the deal today deliver it, as the upcoming election gives their | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
voters a say? Joining me now from Athens is the | :06:27. | :06:34. | |
Greek minister for international economic relations, Panos | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
Papanicolaou, and the Chief Whip -- Lucas Papademos, and the Chief Whip | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
from the German parliament. You heard what was said there, it is | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
very doubtful you can deliver this? Good evening, can we actually | :06:50. | :06:57. | |
deliver this, is that the question? Yes. Yes. It is a very, very tough | :06:57. | :07:06. | |
endeavour what we are in now, since May 2010. We're called upon to | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
transform the whole economy, from an inward looking, non-competitive | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
economy, to an outward looking extrovert competitive economy, that | :07:17. | :07:24. | |
requires massive transformations. One of the collateral side-effects | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
is precisely this contraction in income. Before the economy gets on | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
its feet again on a different basis. Do you also think that it is | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
possible to do this with the level of protest that is starting to | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
build, calls from big cultural heros in Greece for a resistance | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
movement to this deal? I think you will hear all kind of things, one | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
has to see what the vast majority of people feel in their hearts. In | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
their hearts they are aching, but they also know that something has | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
to change. Otherwise, we won't be able to get out of this predicament, | :08:05. | :08:11. | |
and unless we make the sacrifices. I think this is quite plain for all | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
to see. We heard from Germany's Finance Minister a moment ago, that | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
they didn't think the deal was at a stage where it could be called a | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
deal, what is your view? We are living in critical hours and | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
moments, we are negotiating very constructively, in order to achieve | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
a deal, the deal is not yet achieved, because we have to see, | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
and what we have to have is a proof of sustainability, a proof of | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
reliability. The Greek parliament on Sunday will vote on all this, | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
and we believe it is in the interests of the Greek people to | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
have clear facts, and on the basis of these facts, we are prepared to | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
grant another bailout of 130 billion euros. That is probably the | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
biggest bailout in European history. A lot of that will be shouldered by | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
Germany, and German people know that. When they see the level of | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
protests in Greece, and when they see the dangers that you are asking | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
people to take, the cut in living standards and it might not work, | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
what do the German people, on the streets, think of this? There is a | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
lot of sympathy. In Germany, for the feelings of Greek pensioners | :09:24. | :09:31. | |
and workers in the streets, on the other hand, groz is now confronted | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
with a challenge that -- Greece is now confronted with a challenge | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
that was the case in the UK, in the Netherlands, in Germany, years ago. | :09:39. | :09:46. | |
We are very confident that at the end of this very, very difficult | :09:46. | :09:53. | |
process, the Greek people will say it was worse, - it was worth | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
sacrificing social benefits in order to achieve a more competitive | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
economy. This is what German people believe. We are prepared to provide | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
support, financial support, but we want to make sure it is effective | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
and not lost. I will put that straight back in a | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
minute. Just before we finish with you on that point, 130 billion | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
euros, are you confident this would be the last bailout, there wouldn't | :10:21. | :10:31. | |
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be another bailout? It is the second bailout, as you know. We | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
have a monitoring process that has been set up, with the International | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank, and the European Commission. | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
This monitoring process is adjusted every time, but now we are talking | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
about private sector involvement, we are talking about the second | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
bailout. I'm confident that markets will believe us and markets will | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
react on us, and that will mean that Greece has a chance with this | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
bailout to overcome the crisis. But month by month you are going to | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
have to prove that you are on track to deliver this. But you have an | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
election in April, so it could, you might only get to April and find | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
that actually you cannot deliver this, there is not enough money on | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
the streets, apart from anything else, people's fall in living | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
standards, people can't even make their bank payments, it just | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
physically might not work. First of all, we don't know when | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
the next election will be. I know there are rumour about April, but | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
let's not bank on it, we don't know yet. But, the whole point of this | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
funding is precisely to enable the state to function and to pay out | :11:49. | :11:55. | |
salaries and pensions et cetera. So the scenario you just described is | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
exactly what we are trying to avoid through this assistance we are | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
receiving from our partners. But you need to get that signed off | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
very, very quickly, don't you? Because if you default in March, | :12:07. | :12:16. | |
then you are in trouble? Well, last night, as you know, there was a | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
deal with the Greek Government and the called troika, I mean, what we | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
need now is to get it through the eurozone finance ministers, but it | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
has been cleared by their representatives in the EU, in the | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
ECB and the European Commission and the IMF, of course. We're on the | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
right track. We will wait to see what happens tomorrow, thank you | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
very much gentlemen. The Foreign Secretary, William | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
Hague, has described President Assad's rule as the murdering | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
regime, blunt words, which will be heard by the people of Homs under | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
attack from Syrian forces for the sixth day in a row. What the rebels | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
want is weapons not words. That was explicitly ruled out by the Foreign | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
Secretary, though he added, we don't control what other countries | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
are doing. Has the pressure been kept up on | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
the opposition, the military pressure been kept up on the | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
opposition? It has been another very tough day. We have assembled a | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
whole series of maps and images here to look at the picture in | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
detail. The reports today suggest anything between 60-11 people have | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
died in the vie -- 60-100 people have died in the violence today. | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
Around two-thirds of the fatalities, in and around the area of Homs, the | :13:37. | :13:44. | |
real centre of the battle, if we look in detail. It is a protested | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
city, not a besieged city, President Assad's supporters are in | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
the yellow areas, the opposition have two main areas in the city the | :13:56. | :14:03. | |
two in the blue circles. Again, two districts, Baba Amr is one of them. | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
The second area is where our colleague was a couple of days | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
earlier this week. The fighting has very much raged around those two | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
areas. The Government forces, the 90th Infantry Brigade of the Syrian | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
army, hold some positions in the centre of the town, but their main | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
bases are at an intersection on the motorway to the south, where they | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
have dozens of armoured vehicles and the vehicles that have been | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
shelling over recent days. We understand the defectors from the | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
army and guerrilla fighters in those areas, have gone out into the | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
rural areas, fearing a Government ground push, but it hasn't happened. | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
That is fascinating. That suggests something about the relative co- | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
relation of forces there. That 90th brigade may be several thousand | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
troops. Syrian security forces total perhaps 20,000 in the city, | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
population of Homs, 800,000. They are, if you like, in an Alamo | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
mentality, not a conquering mentality. In the neighbourhoods | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
where there is most resistance and where Assad wants to make his | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
presence felt, how has the army been dealing with the opposition? | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
With a difficult situation the army has with regards to its own morale, | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
but the advantages it has, with its heavy weapons, it has tried to use | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
its advantages. If we go in even closer to Baba Amr, this main | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
thorough fare marks one of the boundaries of that neighbourhood. | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
We will put that spot around the mosque. | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
You wouldn't think that if you had a modern self-propelled gun or | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
artillery system that won the target or the house next door to it, | :15:45. | :15:55. | |
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but look at this. That happened yesterday, the | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
shelling of a house. The opposition say it is a terrifying tactic to | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
keep people off the streets, scare the fighters out to the surrounding | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
countryside, to an extent it has worked. Another example these | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
armoured vehicles moving up the streets. Pictures taken yesterday, | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
firing off machine guns indiscriminately, apparently. | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
Another fascinating sign of what is going on. Neither the drivers nor | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
the commanders seem to have their heads out of the vehicle, I have | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
noticed this with much of the footage coming out of Syria in | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
recent months, of when these vehicles go into contested | :16:28. | :16:35. | |
neighbourhoods. Is it still going on in Homs? It is, the Syrian army | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
does have advantages, but the morale is fragile, it is vulnerable | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
to some of the weapons that defectors and arms suppliers have | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
sent in. The standard rocket propelled grenade, if we look at | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
the next image, in the centre of the round about, you see one of the | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
armoured vehicles. The man with a broom is keeping a lookout, he goes | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
to tell his friend, the coast is clear. Apart from a van that | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
quickly flashes across, it is, he lets fire with an RPG and hits the | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
armoured vehicle. Now we don't know exact low what happened there, | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
whether it might have already been disabled. But let's look on at some | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
of the other images out of Homs in the last few days. We can see quite | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
a lot of burnt out Syrian army vehicles. The police car in the | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
foreground, one of the same vehicles, a BNP, a Russian-made | :17:27. | :17:33. | |
infantry carrier, we have seen it a few times, the roof blown off, | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
internal explosions, it has either been knocked out or set on fire by | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
its own crew. The Syrian army is losing vehicles going into those | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
neighbourhoods and troops, either by dissertation or casualties. | :17:46. | :17:54. | |
Another infantry carrier there, it came a cropper. Not all tanks are | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
vulnerable to the RPG. The army can apply all sorts of tactics. This | :18:00. | :18:07. | |
one, the T-72, these workss on the side of it are proof against | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
exactly that kind of weapon. There are things they can't defeat. The | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
supply of anti-tank weapons they have is limited, there are basic | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
challenges of organisation. What do they need, we asked brigadier Ben | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
Barry. If I was a rebel commander I would be asking for two things. One | :18:23. | :18:33. | |
is some weapons that would enable me to deal with the vehicles. | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
Secondly is equipment to help me communicate with other rebel | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
military outlets, but also to allow the political elements to | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
communicate securely, in order to better co-ordinate actions. It is | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
about different things, it is about communications and also about | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
weapons to hit armoured vehicles, they have, to an extent, we have | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
RPGs, what else do they need, and where will they get it? If one | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
looks at the Libyan model, if you like. We know that the UK, France | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
and Qatar, put great effort into trying to organise, provide the | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
level of organisation, giving satellite phones, giving coaching | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
or mentoring to the leaders of the Libyan army, opposition forces, to | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
get them to raise their game. To behave, in a co-ordinated fashion. | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
In Syria, it is not happening yet, from the UK and French side, there | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
are reports that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are already putting in an | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
effort. It would seem that weapons are being bought in Lebanon, on the | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
arms black market, and are finding their way through. We have seen | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
certain evidence of things like RPGs, sniper rifles, one or two | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
things. They could go a stage further up. The Qataris are thought | :19:46. | :19:56. | |
to have supplied anti-tank weapons to the Libyans, and they could go | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
that to the Syrians, they are a much bigger and more destructive | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
warhead. All the other things we have been talking about as well. | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
Command and control, radios, secure communications, all those kinds of | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
things. You get the sense from William Hague today, there is no | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
question, apart from anything else without a UN resolution, there is | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
no question Britain will do anything, communications is | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
different, but no weaponry? The UK has always found this type of thing | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
extremely hard. We saw it in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, there | :20:25. | :20:35. | |
were demands again and again and again, to arm the boss Bosnian | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
Herridge army, Britain -- Bosnian army, Britain was always again that. | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
We saw it again in Libya, France and Qatar was prepared to provide | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
weapons and the UK was not. William Hague reminded us of that today. It | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
is not an option that the UK wants. Even France, less restrained in | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
Libya, it has certain legal difficulties, I would imagine, | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
because of the EU arms embargo on Syria now. There are all sorts of | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
obstacles, technical, military and legal, to making this happen. | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
Particularly to making it happen quickly. From Fabio Capello's | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
financial send-off to HMRC's spectacular failure in the case | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
against Harry Redknapp, for millions of pounds for players, to | :21:19. | :21:26. | |
endlessly fleesing fans for merchandise. In football nothing is | :21:26. | :21:34. | |
cheap. Has the beautiful game become the tainted game. Everybody | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
likes Harry, he could be king of England, but will probably settle | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
for manager, his good character, unstained. There are wider concerns | :21:40. | :21:50. | |
:21:50. | :21:53. | ||
about the sport in which he thrives. Former owner of Harry's current | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
club, Tottenham, has been making that point for years. What is wrong | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
is the quantum of the money, the amount of money spent on players, | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
�50 million last year was spent on a player purchased by Chelsea. | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
is wrong with that if you can afford it? It is ridiculous, the | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
game cannot afford it. That particular club can afford it, | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
because of its owner. But even the poorest Premier League clubs taking | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
�35 million a season from TV rights, the richest getting �60 million, | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
revenues are up again to �2 billion. Yet overall the clubs are losing | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
more than ever, �445 million. It is largely because they are playing | :22:34. | :22:41. | |
the -- paying the players �1.4 billion a season. 20-odd years ago, | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
John Barnes, Player of the Year, was earning �10,000 a week, | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
staggering then. Values then became so distorted, that when Ashley Cole | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
left Arsenal, it was because they offered him only a weekly �55,000. | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
This, he told his fans, was taking the piss. Some Premier League stars | :22:57. | :23:04. | |
today are getting �200,000 a week. Football's finances are crazy. So | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
what's new? What has changed is the ever-growing marketisation of the | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
game, and the widening gulf with its traditional support. It used to | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
be the working man's ballet, now football is far pricier than a trip | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
to covenant garden. While the police have been raiding managers' | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
homes at dawn, and the revenue prosecuting, some see the real | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
scandal elsewhere. Recently I did some figures and found at Liverpool, | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
where it was their fans who suffered in the Hillsborough | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
disaster, which created the improvements in the stadiums, their | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
prices have increased 1100% on the Cop, it now costs �45 a ticket on | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
the Cop to watch oneer games. Yet we have this idea that it is | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
corrupt, and we are looking for bungs, something really precise, we | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
are looking for tax evasion, where as, in fact, there is a broader | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
corruption of the concept of sport and of the ideal of football. | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
don't think there is any particular exploitation going on. I have been | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
a football supporter all my life, I'm prepared to pay the price it | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
takes to have, to witness a game, to see a spectacle that has a | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
stronger desire for myself and other football fans. You can afford | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
it, Paul? And that continues to be a good strong level of support, | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
across the country, not just in the Premier League, among lower | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
divisions, attendances are higher than they have been since World War | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
II. So while the prices rise, the excesses will go on. | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
The ill-judged Redknapp prosecution was a hangover from HM Revenue & | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
Customs failed bungs investigations of the past decade, they have had a | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
bad week. Behind the scenes, it is argued the revenue have sharpened | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
their act, quietly enforcing settlements on players and clubs, | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
and getting their taxes. Lord Sugar, bruised but unbowed by his years in | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
football, says law breaking is no longer the problem. The problem is | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
greed. What's changed in the past few years that there is no more | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
illegal action, illegal stuff going on. You know, with players being | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
paid incorrectly and all that type of thing. You don't think so? | :25:19. | :25:27. | |
no, no. HMRC have got so hot on this, that any owner of a football | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
club has to be stupid or lived in among goalia, for the past five | :25:32. | :25:40. | |
years, -- Mongolia, for the past five years! I would say it is the | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
cleanest industry at the moment. Because they are watched so | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
closely? Absolutely. Vigilence from the taxpayer, and fresh eyes from | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
UEFA, their new financial fair play rules say clubs will have to break | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
even season upon season, transgressors could be banned from | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
lucrative European competition. Does it have teeth, or lake Harry | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
Redknapp's late lamented Rosie, all bark and no bite. | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
When you do your supermarket shopping you are not only paying | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
for your provisions, your taxes are subsidising the likes of Tesco, | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
Asda, Morrisons, and Sainsbury's, despite their whopping profits, and | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
the huge remuneration packages for their CEOs. The Prime Minister has | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
praised the big four for creating thousands of new jobs, what he | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
didn't say is the wages for many of these jobs means that employees are | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
in working poverty. That is the phrase deployed in a report by the | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
Fair Pay Network, which reveals many supermarket staff are reliant | :26:38. | :26:48. | |
:26:48. | :27:02. | ||
I sat at 11.00pm, and I finish at 7.00am. My job basically entails | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
redressing sections of the store. My job can be pretty repetitive, | :27:07. | :27:15. | |
and boring at times. But on the whole, I do enjoy it. They scan the | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
barcodes, stack the shelves, stick the stickers on offering us two for | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
one. Just short of a million people work for the big four supermarkets, | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
many tell the same story. On the whole the pay, I don't think it is | :27:30. | :27:37. | |
enough to live on. I am in arrears with my rent at the moment. Not by | :27:37. | :27:44. | |
a lot, but it is there, and I have received letters saying that I | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
could be thrown out of the house if I can't catch up with my acareers. | :27:50. | :27:55. | |
I'm also behind with my council tax, I just don't even want to think | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
about that, I'm so far behind with that, and the same with the water | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
bill. Supermarkets pay low wages. Many on | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
the lowest hourly rates survive only by claiming in-work benefits. | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
Sarah, not her real name, because supermarket workers are not allowed | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
to talk to the press, earns �200 a week working nights, and relies on | :28:19. | :28:25. | |
�129 a week of tax credits, including Child Tax Credit to make | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
ends meet. Soon, as her child turns 16, she will lose most of that. | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
petrified at what is going to happen. I really don't know how I'm | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
going to be able to continue to work on the wage that I'm actually | :28:40. | :28:46. | |
going to be living on, basic clo, and support my son and the rest of | :28:46. | :28:54. | |
my family, I don't think I will be able to do it. I don't know what | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
the alternative is, except going on job seekers, which doesn't make a | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
lot of sense. I don't think for me in my situation going out to work | :29:03. | :29:10. | |
does actual low pay. Supermarkets have a lot of power. | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
Their price wars can move inflation figure, their expansion policies | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
can make-or-break town centres. Now they are creating tens of thousands | :29:17. | :29:25. | |
of new jobs, when it comes to politicians, everybody wants to be | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
the supermarkets' friend. David Cameron even used a supermarket as | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
a stage to make a point about benefits. Are you happy that your | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
taxes are going towards families, where no-one is working, and they | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
are earning over �26,000 in benefits. Is that fair? | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
That's a good question. But here is another one, why do so many people | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
with jobs earn so little that they have to rely on in-work benefits to | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
survive. Why do so many of them work for supermarkets? | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
Why, in other words, does the taxpayer have to fund the pay bill | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
of these big four employers? Well, for supermarkets, pay is a | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
touchy question. When researchers from the Fair Pay Network tried to | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
survey supermarket workers about their pay, they ran into a problem. | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
We encountered, from day one, universally, across the four | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
regions we worked, a pretty pathological fear of engagment with | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
us. I think if you look for example, at Tesco, part of the employment | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
contract includes forbidding discussing Tesco matters with | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
anyone outside. We lost a lot of people that, in principle, wanted | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
to talk to us. The fear was too great. In fact our research teams | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
were followed, they were founded around. This was a pretty straight | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
forward social survey. And wherever it was discovered to be going on, a | :30:51. | :30:58. | |
culture of pro-hib Biggs went down across the bored -- prohibition | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
went across the board. Here the words are spoken by actors. Woman | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
that lives in private association flat with seven-year-old son, has | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
two jobs, 16 hours a week as shelf stacker, and the rest of the time | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
as a waitress. Without my rent cap my housing benefit, my tax credits, | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
we would be out on the street, both of us. If I work for the | :31:21. | :31:31. | |
:31:31. | :31:32. | ||
supermarket full-time, and not in the cafe, we would be worse. At the | :31:32. | :31:38. | |
cafe I get tips. A mother of two, husband has two jobs, and works | :31:38. | :31:45. | |
herself, gets benefit. At least I'm out and about with people working | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
in the supermarket, I don't want to beg, to be honest, I would be | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
better off on benefits. I would get the same pay on job seekers, I | :31:54. | :32:00. | |
don't want to live that way or this way. They won't pay us any more, | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
there are no jobs around here, if you slack, someone else can take | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
your place after they sack you. They always say that, they could | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
fill your job before you get your coat. Though they have been | :32:10. | :32:16. | |
squeezed by the economic downturn, the supermarkets made �4 billion in | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
pre-tax profits together in 2011. Campaigners acknowledge the profits | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
might be less if the wages were higher, so too would the bill to | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
the taxpayer. Do we as tax-payers think it is acceptable to have four | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
employers, employing almost 900,000 people, the second-biggest employer | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
outside the NHS, who don't pay their staff a sufficient wage, | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
despite turning billions in profits, and paying executives tens of | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
millions, we make up the difference. Is that fair, do tax-payers think | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
that is fair. All the big four supermarkets pointed out they | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
provide discount cards, bonuses and training. Morrisons and Sainsbury's | :32:54. | :33:02. | |
refused to discuss hourly rates. Asda told us its hourry rates from | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
above the minimum wage. None of the employers wanted to appear on | :33:06. | :33:11. | |
camera, but were happy for their trade association to speak for them. | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
The Government's policy is a national minimum wage, and we, not | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
only meet, but exceed the requirements of the national | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
minimum wage. We help a lot of people who otherwise would be | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
dependant on benefits, because we provide flexible and part-time | :33:28. | :33:33. | |
working that enables them to combine the world of work, with | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
their caring and studying and other responsibilities. People who can | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
only work part-time through illness. That is a significant benefit to | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
those individuals who are much more independent than they otherwise | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
might be, and to society by reducing the cost of benefits. | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
message is be grateful you have a job, and it is not our problem if | :33:53. | :34:02. | |
you can't live on the wages? retailers provide the rate for the | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
job, they pay wages that are similar to other sectors, including | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
the public sector, they meet all of their obligations and go further, | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
and yes they provide lots of opportunities for people to develop | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
themselves, and to further their careers into higher paid jobs in | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
the future. What the campaigners want is something called a living | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
wage, calculated at �7.20 outside London, �8.30 inside the capital. | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
Banks, law firms and some public sector employers have signed living | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
wage agreements for their lowest paid staff, and the politicians | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
have lauded the idea. You asked for a living wage in the | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
public sector, and as you know, I think this is a good and attractive | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
idea. Those who have studied the existing schemes are blunt about | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
the advantages. The living wage would be a huge benefit, mainly to | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
the taxpayer at the present period of time. So if you moved people | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
from the minimum wage to the living wage, the taxpayer would probably | :35:07. | :35:14. | |
benefit by about �50 per week, per5 worker. For supermarkets employing | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
100,000 workers getting tax credits, which is plausible. If each one of | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
them got �50 a week from the employer, rather than the taxpayer, | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
you are talking about hundreds of millions of pounds every single | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
year. The taxpayer would be benefiting there, the Treasury | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
would be benefiting. For those who stack the shelves, | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
though, it is about fairness. This was our shop workers reaction when | :35:37. | :35:43. | |
we told her that supermarket CEOs earn between �3-�7 million. I had | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
no idea at all, I thought something around about �100,000 or something | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
like that. But not, millions. No, that is completely wrong. In fact | :35:54. | :36:00. | |
you have opened my eyes, greatly, I am absolutely shocked that they do | :36:00. | :36:07. | |
get that kind of money. It is unbelievable. When surveyed, | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
supermarket workers say they do appreciate the flexibility, the | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
training, the management style, but if we are now reliant on these big | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
four employers to create jobs, we may have to accept the fact that | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
hundreds of thousands of workers do not earn enough to live on, and | :36:21. | :36:28. | |
that the taxpayer takes up the slack. I'm joined now by Neal | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
Lawson, the left-leaning pressure group who supports the idea of the | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
living wage, and Sheila Lawlor. Sheila Lawlor, we heard from the | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
women, they didn't want to beg but be in work, whether it paid more or | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
not, they wanted to be out there. You heard from the woman saying | :36:46. | :36:53. | |
�200 was what she earned, and �120 in benefits. That is not right, is | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
it? Isn't it better to have some in-work benefit than entirely on | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
benefit for having no job at all. Remember the downside of this | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
report, which painted a very rosy picture of what the campaigners | :37:05. | :37:12. | |
called a living wage. The downside is that the more we make employment | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
cost money, the less productive companies will be, and they will go | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
out of work. We have already seen unemployment go up from 8.3% last | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
quarter to 8.4% this quarter. And we have almost 2.7 million people | :37:25. | :37:30. | |
out of work. If it is expensive to employ people, and wages are not | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
the only cost. There are lots of non-wage costs an employer has to | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
meet. What is wrong with that, the wage costs are something which | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
every single one of these supermarkets faces? We heard this | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
argument exactly the same argument over the minimum wage. It is a | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
crying wolf, saying that loads of people will lose their jobs, and | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
loads of people didn't lose their jobs. On the economic argument, in | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
fairness, I don't know how anyone manages to live and bring up a | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
family on even �8 an hour, if you had a living wage. That seems to me | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
an incredible burden, you have to do two shift, you have to find | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
other work, you never see your kid, you can't read them a bed time | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
story, you don't see your partner, it is a terrible social cost of | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
this stuff. But even on the economics, that what we are doing | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
is breaking the back of the state, because the state have to pick up | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
the bill, that costs all of us huge amounts of money. The workers on | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
these benefits, you think they should get the benefits? We have a | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
system. I would rather, we have enough money to pay people as much | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
as we could possibly pay them. Provided it was viable in terms of | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
competition. Do you think the supermarkets, because the | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
supermarkets know full well about the range of benefits, in a sense, | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
they are relying on that cushion, they themselves know that they can | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
pay the workers these wages, because guess what, the taxpayer | :38:49. | :38:54. | |
can pick up the slack? That's one way of looking at it, I don't think | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
it is the only way. If you look at wage bills, they are very, very | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
high, because you have to take and factor in the non-wage costs of | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
every employer. Look at the profits? You put an extra cost | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
across the board on any company, and they will start shrinking the | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
number of workers. In the supermarket chains they will be | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
moving to more automatic tills, where you swipe in and out yourself. | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
The cost of this sort of well intentioned measure is to lose jobs | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
overall. Surely, it is the Government in the dock here not the | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
supermarkets. The supermarkets are just capitalist? They are just | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
capitalist, they will push wages down as far as they can, they | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
wouldn't have a minimum wage, they would pay �4, �3, if they could get | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
away with it. That essentially is immoral? It is both immoral, bad | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
for the state, but actually bad for the companies and economies as well. | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
Henry Ford was a God capitalist, he knew he had to -- a good capitalist, | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
he knew he had to pay the wages that would buy the cars. The great | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
thing about the report, it says the people working in the figure four, | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
don't shop in the big four, they go to Aldi and Lidl, that is where | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
they can afford. These people are destroying their own productive | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
base. It would generate growth if you paid people enough money that | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
they could spend on the things their family needed, books, food, | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
travel? Do you want an economy where we price labour out of the | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
market, where we pay the social consequences of people having no | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
job, you heard some of the ladies who were interviewed on this show | :40:31. | :40:36. | |
say they would much prefer to have a job and not to be begging. What | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
they were also saying was it was absolutely crippling them? It is, | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
the price of living is crippling people, why is it crippling people, | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
because already we have very, very high costs in the economy, we | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
cannot compete globally we can't sell our goods overseas, we can't | :40:53. | :40:59. | |
compete in a global market, our unemployment is going up, our wage | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
costs are not competitive. Every independent economic survey will | :41:03. | :41:09. | |
say the unit cost of production in the European Union and Britain is | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
cripplingly high and we can't xot in a much wider market. -- Compete | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
in a much wider market. It is surely better that Tesco and | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
Morrisons and all the supermarkets are expanding and bringing jobs to | :41:22. | :41:31. | |
areas where none exists? Of -- Existed? It is, but this is not a | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
non-competitive market, -- this is a non-competitive market, this is | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
the only place they can sell food in Britain, we have �4 billion in | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
profit, and chief executives making �7 billion, it is abhorrent they | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
are employing people at miserable, slave wages, if they don't do | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
something about it, it is up to us as a society to say we will force | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
you to pay a wage at which you can live. Can you force them? If you | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
have a law, and you heard the people, on the programme saying, we | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
have the minimum wage. I think it is very, very wrong and | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
irresponsible, especially at this time, with such rapidly rising | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
unemployment in Britain, to started a vow Kateing more cost on | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
employers. - advocating more costs on employers. David Cameron talked | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
about the living wage, he supported it? Politicians are very much in | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
the market for encouraging people to think they are on their side, | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
that is what politics is about. It is not on the side of Britain for | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
the long-term future. Why doesn't the Government, if they think it is | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
such a great thing, just go ahead, institute the living wage? I think | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
they should do. But we have been locked into this 30-year, free | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
market fundamentalism that says that the people at the bottom have | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
to be pushed down and can't earn a decent wage, where those at the top | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
can earn as much as possible and can all let rip. We have paid the | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
price of that and the economy has, we need a different way of locking | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
at it. Do you think that is immoral, that the CEOs get millions and | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
other bonuses as well? What is immoral is the vendetta we have | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
seen against independent, legal decisions made against companies | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
paying out wages. This week and last week. And yes, by all means, | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
bring in a law, if that has the support of parliament. But this | :43:19. | :43:25. | |
sort of pressure is, as one leader of a small business has said, it | :43:25. | :43:33. | |
was a vend det at that and witch- hunt against companies -- vendetta | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
and witch-hunt against companies making money for this country and | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
employing many people. Nothing will change in the foreseeable future, | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
because as Sheila Lawlor says, there are plenty of people chasing | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
jobs? We shouldn't be exploiting those people, we should be paying | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
them a wage that they will then go and spend their money in the | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
economy and help us get out of the mess we are in, and we will help | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
them socially, morally and economically as well. | :43:56. | :44:06. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 53 seconds | :44:06. | :44:59. | |
Thank you very much. The front Harry Redknapp will get �4 million, | :44:59. | :45:09. | |
That's all from Newsnight tonight, Gavin will be with you tomorrow, | :45:09. | :45:19. | |
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from all of us here tonight, good Another wintry night out there, | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
further know across the Midland, further counties of England | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
drifting into the south-east of Wales. A covering in many places, | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
5cms, maybe more in some spots. The snow clears away sharply on Friday, | :45:55. | :46:02. | |
then things brighten up on eastern areas. Plenty of sunshine in | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
Lincolnshire, temperatures struggling to get above freezing. A | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
bright sparkling day for the Midlands, East Anglia and the | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
south-east, again it is cold. After a wet start in the south west, | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
dryer and brighter, the rain looking clinging on to Cornwall | :46:16. | :46:23. | |
late in the day, as it does in Pembrokeshire. | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
It will stay dull across the east of Northern Ireland, but | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
temperatures here much higher, a mild eight or nine Celsius, some | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
brightness across the west in Northern Ireland, western Scotland | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
stays dull. Some brightness in parts of the north, particularly in | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
the Moray firth. It stays cloudy in Scotland and Northern Ireland into | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
the weekend, it crucially stays milder, there will be some rain | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
especially in northern Scotland. For England and Wales, plenty of | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
winter sunshine, a cold start and plenty of sunshine through the day. | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
It will turn a bit grey by Sunday. It will also cloud across on | :46:57. | :47:01. |