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An Englishman's home isn't just his castle, if Vince Cable gets his way | :00:11. | :00:17. | |
it will be a Government cash cow. A fortnight ahead of the budget, the | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
idea is floated that everyone with a big house should be taxed on its | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
value. It is the most expensive thing most of us would ever buy, | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
the change would be from being taxed on what you earn, to being | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
taxed on what you own. As an idea, is it either desirable, or even | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
workable. Our political editor has learned | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
what's happened to another highly contentious Government plan. I have | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
learned the Government's controversial planning laws will go | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
ahead, despite hints of a re-think. The alleged leader of two of the | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
most famous and prolific hacking groups in the world, Anonymous and | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
LulzSec, is unmasked as an FBI informant. The woman privvy to the | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
secrets of the happy hacking movement, talks for the first time. | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
What happens to you when you end up on the wrong side of the Arab | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
Spring? We go to the last place that fell to the Libyan uprising. | :01:15. | :01:21. | |
This was Gaddafi's grandiose vision of a capital for Africa, now it has | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
been ripped apart, I will be talking to the people of the | :01:24. | :01:34. | |
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We are all in this together, but some of us ought to be more in it | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
than others, that is the implication of remarks today from | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
the Business Secretary, Vince Cable? One of those, "hey I'm just | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
thinking allowed" which drive his Conservative colleagues up the wall, | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
he mused that maybe there was case for getting rid of the 50p rate of | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
income tax, paid by anyone earning over �150,000 a year, and in return, | :01:58. | :02:06. | |
maybe people's wealth should be taxed, essentially a tax on their | :02:06. | :02:13. | |
houses. The respectable pile, or mansion, | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
as Vince Cable would call it, of the composer Hubert Parry, nestled | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
in the expensive Kensington square, right next door another honoured | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
home, John Stuart Mill, architect of the liberal thought. He's the | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
architect of a wealth tax, which his descendant and lookalike has | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
morphed into a mansion tax. He says the dream must be realised, he said | :02:43. | :02:50. | |
a mansion tax must be exchanged for dropping the 50p tax. If the 50p | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
tax rate were to go, it should be replaced by taxation of wealth, | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
because the wealthy people in the country have to pay their share, | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
and the mansion tax is an economically sensible way of doing | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
it. Lord Newby is a Lib Dem peer, champion of the mansion tax, and | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
friend to the Business Secretary. How important is this to the Lib | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
Dems and what they get from Government? It is one of the things | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
we fought the last election on, we are keen it should be implemented. | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
We think it is particularly important to do it if the | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
Government contemplating on reducing the 50p tax rate. We think | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
in the long run you should do that, but now isn't the time to do it, | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
particularly unless you do something like a mansion tax, which | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
means that people at the really top end of the income and wealth scale | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
are paying their fair share. John Stuart Mills house is worth | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
under �2 million, next door his neighbour's is worth just over, | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
that is the stark contrast that really worries the Tories. They | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
think up and down the country you will have neighbour pitched against | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
neighbour over the value of their homes. This is a recipe for a big | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
judicial review, according to one critic, it will bring not much | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
money and a lot of grief. For many Tory MPs they won't accept this | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
policy. I'm opposed to a mansion tax, although it will affect few | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
people in my constituency, it is a tax against aspiration. I have | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
often thought of the people who are sometimes in these rather expensive | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
houses now, a lot are asset rich and cash poor, and may have | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
acquired the house some time ago. The last thing I want to see is a | :04:25. | :04:35. | |
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widow being turfed out of her house The UK brings in the most from | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
property than any OECD countries. The think-tank offered research | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
showing the top 1.6% of property sales yielded 26% of all stamp duty, | :04:50. | :04:59. | |
and the top 0.7% of homes, contributes 36% of inheritance tax. | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
Whatever the numbers, the Lib Dems are at home on this agenda, and for | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
the other parties, the central John Stuart Mills website, that wealth, | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
not income, should be taxed, is broadly compelling. I would prefer | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
to look at something that they have in some parts of Australia, which | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
is a land tax that exempts people's main homes, and exempts farmland, | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
but it basically bears down on people who have second homes, and | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
also on property companies who are sitting on large land banks. I | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
think that is probably a better form of wealth tax. It is fairer, | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
it doesn't run into this little old lady in a big house problem. We | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
should then use the proceeds to cut taxes on people on average earnings. | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
REPORTER: Are you trying to write George Osborne's budget for him? | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
Not at all. Today a letter resurfaced, written by the Business | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
Secretary at the beginning of February, in which he accuses the | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
Prime Minister, and indeed his own boss, Nick Clegg, of presiding over | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
a Government with no vision beyond sorting out the fiscal mess. | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
Until his departure recently, Chris Huhne was the dissident in the | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
cabinet, thorn in their side, now Vince Cable seems to have taken up | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
the mantle. He's saying if it isn't radical, it isn't the Lib Dems' | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
fault. But some will say those who criticise the strategy criticises | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
his own brief. It is highly unlikely this budget will include a | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
mansion tax, whatever the Lib Dem negotiating position, but there is | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
probably going to be action to clampdown on its extravagantly | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
lavish cousin, the people who set up companies to pay much reduced | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
council tax on their companies. If people change the loopholes such as | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
people putting flats into companies, they couldn't do it any more, isn't | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
that a mansion tax? That is getting rid of a loophole, people shunting | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
doing that any way, a mansion tax is a new source of revenue, it will | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
earning more than closing the loophole t applies to all houses | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
every year above �2 million. It would be an Andrews not an or. | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
three days time the Lib Dems convene for their conference, a | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
rowdy and not quite glam affair. Vince Cable pushing for the wealth | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
tax could should a spring in the shod step. | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
To give their thoughts on a mansion tax, the Conservative MP, Jacob | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
Rees-Mogg, the property expert, Kirstie Allsopp, and Tim | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
Montgomerie, editor of the story grass root website -- grass roots | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
website. If someone is lucky enough to own a house worth �2 mill kwhron, | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
they can afford -- �2 million, they can afford �5,000 a year? They | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
already pay council tax, the problem with these houses is people | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
don't have the cashflow. Get a smaller house? So you want to kick | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
the widow out of her house. I find in the south-east of England, | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
people living in their homes for 40 years, their home is valuable but | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
they are living on small, fixed income. Is that how you want | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
society to run. Tim Montgomerie, is that where you want society to run? | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
We are facing probably one of the worst economic circumstances this | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
country has faced for a long time. People on low and average incomes | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
without there are struggling to make ends meet. They are running | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
out of income at the start of the month, not the end. People for the | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
first time are looking to be less well-off than the generation that | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
preceded them. What I want from a Conservative-led Government, is to | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
do everything it possibly can to help those families. The stories | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
that Jacob has shared with us are tough, some people will find these | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
sorts of taxes difficult, but I want, when George Osborne gets up | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
to deliver the budget, I don't want him to just do things that are | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
marginal for families, on council tax or petrol duty, I want him to | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
have cut spending more deeply, and all the wiggle room in the budget, | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
and introducing wealth taxes, to make a sizeable difference for the | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
families we really need to help. Kirstie Allsopp, you spend your | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
entire life in the property world, where are you Aberdeen? I'm in | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
Aberdeen. And elsewhere. What effect would it have this sort of | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
tax, do you think? I don't think it would have a major effect. At the | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
point that they set it, let's say it is �2 million, there will be | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
some fannying around in that area, it is not just that, they have to | :09:33. | :09:42. | |
decide whether they want to tax assets, or whether they want to tax | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
income. Jacob is completely right it is patronising to talk about | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
this old widow, my parents and my parents-in-law would be hugely | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
affected by an annual mansion tax. If we want a sales tax let's be | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
honest, saying we pay tax when we go into a purchase, which we do, | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
and when we come out of a purchase. In an honest sales tax, which they | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
do in countries all over the world, and which it has been something | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
that is slightly inevitable for a long time. Are you also going to | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
defend all these foreign people who come to Britain and buy property | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
without paying stamp duty? No. Why on earth would I defend them. We | :10:22. | :10:29. | |
have stamp duty in this country, we should all pay it, and when we sell | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
a property. Tim raes right, there are people suffering -- Tim's right, | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
there are people suffering, they are not people owning �2 million | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
properties. There are a great many people, particularly in the south- | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
east, who own very valuable homes, like my in-laws, who have lived in | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
the same house for 50 years, and would simply be incapable of paying | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
an annual tax on the value of an asset they have had for a very long | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
time. What about Kirstie Allsopp's in-laws? They may not have the | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
income themselves, but they are sat on an asset. It is a home. It is a | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
home, but it is also an asset for which other people will benefit | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
perhaps through inheritance in later years. We have an inheritance | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
tax. There are plenty of financial companies that will help your | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
relatives or the Jacob's widow realise their asset now, they will | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
still be able to live in that house, but extract some of the income now, | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
so they can make a contribution. You can't tax people's homes. | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
Through the exchequer, to help the mass of people suffering on a | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
significant scale. People pay the Exchequer when they buy, and they | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
pay when they die, but you cannot expect people who don't have an | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
income to make an annual payment, what about people paying an 780% | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
mortgage. You can have -- 80% mortgage. You can have someone in a | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
�2 million house which is paid off and one working to pay it off. | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
want the Conservative-led Government to be the party on the | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
side of people who can't fill up their petrol tank at the moment, | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
the people struggling to pay their electricity bills. A party that | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
worries too much about people with �2 million homes, is not a party | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
that will win a majority in this country. The high priest of | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
Conservatism has suddenly gone socialist on us, which is worrying. | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
Tim is in that in his position on the website. He's being | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
compassionate, worrying about people with more urgent needs than | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
those with �2 million house? He's saying penal taxes will help the | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
less well off, they won't. It will mean people will leave the country, | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
people will stop working, people will move house to smaller houses. | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
If you have such a penal tax system in this country, bearing in mind | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
the top 1% of tax-payers, already pay 27% of the total income tax. We | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
had the figures on the CPS on how much comes from property taxes, | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
death duties on the most expensive house, the idea more will be | :13:04. | :13:12. | |
squeezed out of the top earners, without risking the tax base is | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
simply mistaken. One of the reasons why apart from the tax aspect but | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
as an economist I support taxes more wealth income. You can't say | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
we are losing people taxing at 50% for high earners, people are going | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
overseas because it is easier to move their income to foreign banks. | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
Property, many people from London, overseas, evading stamp duty, | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
Russian, from the Middle East, they are not making a contribution, and | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
what we need is a crackdown on people like that, so that we can | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
afford to cut the 50p tax rate. Everyone agrees all these people | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
who come here and avoid tax should pay it, but it is all part of the? | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
It is all part of the same package of being a Government that can | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
afford tax cuts. What happens to society when you start taxing | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
waeplt instead of earnings? wealth instead of earnings? If you | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
tax earnings too much people move abroad, they can take the jobs | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
abroad. If you tax property, that is much hard Tory evade, you | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
actually get a system -- harder to evade, you are actually get a | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
system where we are taxing wealth creation rather than wealth. | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
think wealth taxes are remarkably easy to evade, in Italy they have a | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
lot, which are renowned for tax avoidance and evasion. In Italy | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
they avoid all taxes. Kirsty you have been trying to get in up in | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
Aberdeen? I'm really saying the same thing over and over again. | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
Stop it then? Have a transaction tax, but it is unworkable, as you | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
said at the beginning of the show, Jeremy, we can't do it, we all know | :14:49. | :14:55. | |
we can't do it. It will cause the most appalling problems, there will | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
be numerous lawsuits, administering issues. Vince Cable has known for | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
cage that is the mansion tax in its original form is unworkable. Let be | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
a be honest and say we need more money. You know perfectly well | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
Vince Cable is playing games for the benefit of his party, which is | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
shortly to gather together, and they will say Saint Vince is | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
keeping the flame alive. David Cameron will never go for this? | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
fear not, I make the argument that a Conservative Party that is | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
interested in the striving classes should, and Vince Cable may be | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
playing politics with this. It is completely workable. I don't favour | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
the precise mansion tax mechanism that Vince Cable has proposed. I | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
think you would have a few higher bands on council tax, it is | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
ridiculous at the moment someone in a �2 million house pays the same as | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
someone on a �300,000 tax. Everybody agrees with that. There | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
are perfectly workable ways of introducing fairer property taxes. | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
Thank you very much. While we are on the subject of the | :15:54. | :16:00. | |
budget, and what may or may not be in it, we have had quite a busy day. | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
We have heard something about the plans to reform the planning laws | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
in England. You may recall a great corn ternation among | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
conservationists when it became known that planners were told to be | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
more biased in favour of the development. The Government said it | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
would think again. What have you found out? In terms of the headline, | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
which is this horrible phrase that's rather jargon heavy, "a | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
presumption in favour of sustainable development", that is | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
staying, this is still a growth Government, it is something the | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
Chancellor wants to push hard on and pushing for the budget, if he | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
doesn't get his way we should be asking why not. To go backwards, | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
this is a consultation launch last July, the idea was to make the | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
system less complex, so to get, as soon as people got planning | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
permission, they should be just able to go and build. The key thing | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
is we have discussed, this phrase "a presumption in favour of | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
sustainable development". Among others, it was the National Trust | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
that said if it came to past it would be the death knell for the | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
planning system as they know it. They talked about the end of the | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
green belt, and our green and pleasant land to go back to | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
Jerusalem would be concreted over. What is interesting me, is that the | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
Treasury are very bullish about this, they want this in the budget, | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
they don't want it after the budget, they want it part of the budget. | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
This is a signal to builders, construction companies, which, | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
let's remember, are people who if you can get to spend money, it | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
trickles down into the economy very quickly. Construction is a big | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
multiplier, they want them to be given a very big signal that | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
planning is less difficult in this country. It was the subject of | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
cabinet last week, they wanted to know why the planning document had | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
been so long in the offing. I do believe there will be safeguards. | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
Remember this is over over 1,000- pages. They thought it would be | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
clever to shrink down to 54 pages, they realised over the fullness of | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
time that was a problem. They had to make things more simple, and | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
left out the safeguards on environmental issues. I think they | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
will spell out that the green belt won't be touched. There will be | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
better definition of an area of outnatural beauty, and the like. | :18:15. | :18:23. | |
They are bullish about the outcome, but what campaigners are looking | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
for remains to be seen, in terms of these groups it is a fight they | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
will have, they want to do something about growth. Joining us | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
from Westminster is the Conservative MP, Zac Goldsmith, who | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
has advised David Cameron on environmental issues, and is a | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
member of the Environmental Audit Committee. What do you make of this | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
decision, apparently to stick to the original proposal? I have heard | :18:46. | :18:53. | |
that from your programme, only. Some I'm assuming, I'm hoping it is | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
mu mours. I'm hoping -- Rumours. I'm hoping it is true or we should | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
sack our researcher? I will leave that to the Newsnight team. I think | :19:04. | :19:10. | |
the planning system needs reform, I believe that, and so does the | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
National Trust. It is expensive for companies and exhausting to | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
communities fighting off developers, nobody seems to win. When | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
Government ministers, we have had one or two, talk about the planning | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
system as a tool that should be used to promote economic growth, I | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
think they ares missing something very important. The problem with | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
the planning system is not that it is blocking development, it is not | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
blocking development, there are 250,000 plots available to be built | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
in the south-east of England alone. There are 31,000 acres of | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
brownfield land waiting to be developed. In all, roughly 90% of | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
applications go through. So the problem is not that it is blocking | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
development, the problem is it is a very bureaucratic and lengthy | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
system. A decision that should take two or three weeks, ends up taking | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
months or years. That is the problem and they should be | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
addressing that. If you talk about planning being used as a tool to | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
promote economic growth, that sounds like a blank cheque for | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
developers, that is a real problem. If you are a person without a job, | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
it is pretty hard to take from a multi-millionaire, that sort of | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
advice, isn't it? What advice? advice you have just given that it | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
is nothing to do with development, others have decides it is to do | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
with development and economic growth? I'm not giving advice, I'm | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
saying the problem with the planning system is not that it is | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
blocking development, I would like to see lots of development | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
happening around the country, we have a real housing crisis, but | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
ripping up the planning system as it currently is, will not lead to | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
more development, it might mean a few developers will make more money, | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
it won't lead to a net increase in economic growth or development. | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
There are other factors at play, the fact that people can't get | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
mortgages and the finance doesn't exist. That is what's impeding | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
development, no the planning is is tem. It is not even -- system, it | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
is not even a matter of data, it is a matter of fact. I'm not giving | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
advice, I'm simply saying the planning system shouldn't be used | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
as a tool to create development, that misses the point, I think. | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
Those safeguards of local plans in green belts, they will still be | :21:06. | :21:14. | |
there? Look, I don't know the final draft, I haven't seen it, I presume | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
protection for National Parks and green belts will exist. They are | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
not the only things that matter to communities. People want to protect | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
things not essentially of natural value, but green spaces, their | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
community. Areas of the countryside may not be hugely rich in | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
biodiversity, but are important to communities that live in and around | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
them. The planning system needs to protect what matters to people, not | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
just a National Parks and biodiversity hot spots. It has to | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
go beyond that. What was lacking from the original draft, that upset | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
a lot of people, was a very clear bias in developing brownfield land | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
first, I hope that is back in the script. Also a clear definition of | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
what we mean by sustainable development F we have a presumption | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
in favour of sustainability development, we need to know what | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
that looks like. What does the Government believe sustainability | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
amounts to. These are the things I think need to be addressed. I still | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
hope the second draft will answer these questions. The Government | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
will have a real headache if they haven't. Millions of people around | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
the country are worried, they are right. Whatever reforms are brought | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
in will have a lasting legacy s it will be on this generation, the | :22:30. | :22:38. | |
next and the one after that. It is very important we get it right. | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
signer space they say, no-one can hear you scream, but the FBI listen | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
carefully. It emerged today one of the most wanted men in computer | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
hacking has been co-operating with American investigators and dobing | :22:51. | :23:00. | |
in fellow harkers. This Moriarty burrowed into banking and business | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
organisations and completely compromised their security. It may | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
all have started as a bit of a laugh, or at least that's what | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
hacking group LulzSec wanted us to think, their slogan, "laughing at | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
your security since 2011", but their attacks became increasingly | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
high-profile, the US Senate, Sony and banks among their victims. A | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
spin-off from the Hacking Collective, Anonymous, that is how | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
they all would have liked to remain, but today the FBI released the | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
names and handles from six suspects from both groups, charged with | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
crimes the FBI say affected more than a million victims. What do we | :23:42. | :23:52. | |
:23:52. | :24:03. | ||
know about those charged today. He has been arrested in Washington | :24:03. | :24:13. | |
:24:13. | :24:16. | ||
and charged with crimes against a The FBI said today pleaded guilty | :24:16. | :24:22. | |
to a dozen charges last summer. A report by Fox News, today claimed | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
that 28-year-old self-taught hacker, Monster mons, turned against his | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
hacking friends -- Monster mons, turned against his hacking friends, | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
work - Hector Xavier Monsegur, turned against his friends, working | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
with the FBI since last July. It goes towards old fashioned policing, | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
and turned the tables on the hacking community that had seemed | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
one step ahead of the enforcement services. Last month n one of the | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
most embarrassing attacks, Anonymous released a recording of | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
what was supposed to be a secure conference call, between signer | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
crime detectives in the UK and the US. You need to reliesen to the | :25:01. | :25:10. | |
conversation in the context of what -- reliesen to the -- re-listen to | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
it, people will think they sound complacement, but they are not, | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
there is a lot of money being spent to capture these people. | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
Last summer Newsnight conducted an interview in an on-line chatroom | :25:22. | :25:32. | |
:25:32. | :25:34. | ||
with a member of LulzSec, who told Of course, all those charged are | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
innocent until proven guilty, and it seems unlikely this will be the | :25:38. | :25:44. | |
end of a movement that frequently boasts that you cannot kill an idea. | :25:44. | :25:52. | |
With us now is the journalist, Parmy Olson, of Forbes, who has | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
enjoined privileged access to the members of LulzSec and Anonymous | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
for over a year and published a history of the movement shortly to | :26:01. | :26:07. | |
be published. How surprised were you to discover this guy was an FBI | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
informant? I'm not surprised, there was a lot of suspicion in the | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
hacker community over the last few months, because one by one every | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
member of LulzSec of getting arrested, the founding members, yet | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
Sabu, the de facto leader, widely known to be living in New York, | :26:25. | :26:33. | |
widely known to be of Porto Rican descent, had not been arrested, he | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
was prolific on Twitter, very verbal and public, yet here he was | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
apparently still at large. How big a noise was he in this hacking | :26:40. | :26:49. | |
world. He is definitely a charasmatic character and well | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
known. He had 25,000 Twitter followers until recently, that has | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
now shot up. On the Internet chat networks were the where the | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
Anonymous supporters discussed things. If he went on-line he would | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
have everyone hanging on to his every word. An aggressive and | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
intense personality and influential. Most of the other hackers were much | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
younger? Generally speaking he is of an older age group, late 20s, | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
most tend to be in late teens, early 20s, even early teens. | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
could get them to do things? could say that. He's very | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
influential, charming to speak to. And very opinionated. When he talks | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
about his views, he's very good at getting those across and justifying | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
what he did. To a lot of people, this seems, | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
frankly, slightly incomprehensible, something that maybe starts off as | :27:43. | :27:50. | |
a game, can I beat this system here. It then becomes something else? | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
definitely ballooned into something bigger that spiralled out of | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
control for the people who were involved, particularly the people | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
who were arrested, like hector. I think part of that comes are from | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
the camaraderiery they felt together, the sense of euphoria | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
with each hack and the sense of victory. And of course the media | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
attention they got, LulzSec, the hacking group he was leading, | :28:14. | :28:21. | |
within a few weeks we were getting up to 300,000 Twitter followers, | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal was quoting their tweets. | :28:24. | :28:34. | |
:28:34. | :28:37. | ||
That was also part of what fuelled what they were doing. Apart from | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
the attention, is there some other function can you tell from the | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
targets they chose to compromise? don't think so, a lot of it wasn't | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
pro-active, from the investigations I did for my book, a lot of it was | :28:50. | :28:56. | |
reactive. They wouldn't say let's go after the CIA or let's go after | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
Sony rb they would look across different web -- they would look | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
across different websites and see what weaknesses they would find. | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
When they found something everybody was game to go after it, once they | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
put out a press release, they would justify it and slap on a political | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
motive. Stkpwhrm did they understand what the real world | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
conse -- Did they understand what the real world consequences would | :29:20. | :29:26. | |
be? I think they did. But the sense of euphoria that came from the fame | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
masked that for a while. I was talking them to as it was happening, | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
one was talking about reaching a point of no return, where it all | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
got so big, and they thought they would get arrested and part of them | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
thought they wouldn't. It was kind of a detatched way of living in two | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
worlds. I am the only thing holding this | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
country together, has been the boast of one dictator after another. | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
In Libya, which threw off Colonel Gaddafi, serious tensions emerged | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
today. Revolutionary leaders in Benghazi, the city where the Libyan | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
uprising began, have declared their commitment to a semi-autonomy in | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
the post-Gaddafi state. We will talk about whether the country | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
might fall apart shortly, first we have been to Colonel Gaddafi's home | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
town, and the place where he was eventually killed. It has paid a | :30:16. | :30:25. | |
:30:26. | :30:26. | ||
heavy price. There are some disturbing images in this report. | :30:26. | :30:32. | |
They love me, all my people with me, they love me all. They will die to | :30:32. | :30:38. | |
protect me, my people. Just outside Sirte is a billion | :30:38. | :30:48. | |
:30:48. | :30:48. | ||
pound monument to vanity and excess. The complex was a summit venue, and | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
intended by Gaddafi to be the capital for a united Africa. | :30:53. | :31:03. | |
Saying from his green book still The marble, chrome and glass have | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
been shattered by revolutionary fighters. It now stands testament | :31:07. | :31:16. | |
to a modern Osimandius. Outside, some of the locals who | :31:16. | :31:24. | |
joined the revolution saw us, and came to make their own gesture. | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
TRANSLATION: The dictator Gaddafi turned this complex into a garden | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
for himself and his guests, it was off limits to us, we are forbidden | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
as residents of the city to come here, we couldn't go near it. By | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
the grace of God now, everyone can enter the complex, hopefully it | :31:42. | :31:49. | |
will be rebuilt and all the Libyan people will benefit from it. In the | :31:49. | :31:55. | |
sent irof Sirte is the insurance -- centre of Sirte is this insurance | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
building, it was said that allies shells were dropped after Gaddafi | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
entered the basement There are many versions what happened here, | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
firstly, that the international effort to help Libya was based on a | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
UN resolution, that put protecting the civilian population from the | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
Armed Forces, front and centre. Yet, by the time the conflict drew to a | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
close, seven months later, it was this town where Gaddafi was born | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
and killed that would prove to have been the most bombarded in the | :32:28. | :32:37. | |
country. We drove down to the seafront, to | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
the place where revolutionary fighters hemmed in the last Gaddafi | :32:41. | :32:48. | |
loyalists, and pounded them for weeks. It is auld Area 2 -- it is | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
called Area 2, and laid waste by the fighting. TRANSLATION: The town | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
of Sirte has seen lots of damage, the destruction of homes, theft, | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
plundering. Houses, schools and hospitals are all in ruins. The | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
whole country has suffered immensely. If we ask the | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
authorities for anything, they tell us to fill in a form and take it to | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
head office. We never see results, nothing gets done. The scale of the | :33:14. | :33:20. | |
damage was such that the majority of the 20,000 people living in Area | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
2, left, most have still not returned. | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
How are they coping living in the flat with no electricity or water? | :33:30. | :33:37. | |
TRANSLATION: The water supply is very erratic. We often have to go | :33:37. | :33:44. | |
to the standpipe and carry the water back in pots. People here are | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
bitter about NATO's bombs and the wanton destruction of fellow | :33:48. | :33:56. | |
Libyans. They don't know whether to greet or stone us. There were some | :33:56. | :34:04. | |
desultry Gaddafi chants, locals are always looking for trouble, one | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
fighter from Benghazi has been arrested for crimes against people. | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
TRANSLATION: They killed and kidnapped and stole cars until they | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
were detained and questioned. That is why we are not co-operative for | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
revolutionaries outside, they didn't expect the law -- respect | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
the laws here. There was a woman pregnant in labour, her husband | :34:25. | :34:31. | |
took her to hospital, they fired at the car and killed her. The next | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
day they were caught and it was found they were the cause of | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
previous trouble in Sirte. When the town fell, the anti-Gaddafi | :34:39. | :34:45. | |
fighters were jubilant. But people in the city say they also indulged | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
in an orgy of vandalism. Even surveying the damage across | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
Sirte today, it is so extensive and indiscriminate, it must have hit | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
people who had long opposed the dictatorship. We totally support | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
the freedom fighters, but what he this did after the liberation in | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
Sirte, it is a complete disaster. They do the same as pro-Gaddafi. | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
You came for freedom, for liberation, not for reveings. What | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
happened to Sirte, it is totally revenge. | :35:17. | :35:27. | |
:35:27. | :35:29. | ||
It is not the freedom we fight for. It is not the people we fight for, | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
we have to start again, and do it right, otherwise Muammar Gaddafi is | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
still there. It was fighters from Misrata who captured the dictator | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
and are thought to have killed him. Armed groups from that same place, | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
a couple of hours drive up the coast, have taken it upon | :35:46. | :35:54. | |
themselves to throw their weight around even now. Shocking footage | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
has appeared on the Internet, contributing to charges of abuse | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
against the revolutionary brigades. There were some mock executions, | :36:03. | :36:08. | |
there was abuse, a lot of mockery, spitting, things like this, you can | :36:08. | :36:15. | |
find most of this on-line. There is, to date, that I'm ware of, not been | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
anyone convict -- aware of, not been anyone convicted. Plenty of | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
cases, deaths in custody, torture, no investigations and no | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
accountability for anybody. This is the crux of the problem when it | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
comes to this. As people think they can get away with this sort of | :36:31. | :36:38. | |
thing, and it is tolerated, you will see more of it. The militia | :36:38. | :36:45. | |
brigades in Misrata, deny the charges of detainee abuse. | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
TRANSLATION: Regarding mistreatment in prisons, that does not happen | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
here. When a prisoner ray riefs, he's well treated. -- arrives, he | :36:53. | :36:59. | |
is well treated, it is an administrative building, prisoners | :36:59. | :37:07. | |
are provided with food. When they are captured they are subject today | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
rough treatment, but in prison there are systems and food. This | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
school in Sirte is just a few hundred metres from where Gaddafi | :37:16. | :37:24. | |
was captured last October. It was damaged by gunfire, but it has been | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
repaired and glass classes have resumed. There is an uneasy | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
atmosphere among pupils and staff. I was in the prison in Misrata, for | :37:34. | :37:42. | |
70 days, I came back here to my family in Sirte. Some military from | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
Misrata caught me on the route, and took me there, and put me, my job | :37:47. | :37:54. | |
is a teacher, and they put me in Misrata in the school. For 70 days. | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
Still now there is many, many people in Misrata. They change, you | :38:00. | :38:10. | |
:38:10. | :38:12. | ||
see this school for study, but in Misrata they make it school for | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
bringing people to it. While that teacher said he | :38:16. | :38:22. | |
helicopter been torture, he did tell us it would be -- he had been | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
tortured, he did say it would be years before Gaddafi's Green Flag | :38:26. | :38:32. | |
would be taken down. For some of the boys our presence was not | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
welcomed. Many of the children had lost brothers and sisters in the | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
fighting, some of them blame NATO and the west. As we were leaving | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
the mood changed distinctly, we came under a hail of stones and the | :38:44. | :38:52. | |
vehicles were damaged. So what of the future for Sirte, | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
aid agencies agree it needs more help in rebuilding, that any other | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
town in Libya. TRANSLATION: As you can see the building is under | :39:02. | :39:08. | |
construction, no power or water. Thousands of homes remain | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
uninhabitable. Their owners have fetched up in places like this, a | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
half finished apartment block, afraid their community is now | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
stigmatised. TRANSLATION: People are concerned with their day-to-day | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
life. They don't have time to support any politician, people have | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
more pressing things to worry about, health, environment, the city is | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
destroyed, if the infrastructure is destroyed, life is difficult. | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
filmed we were aware the new authorities were keeping an eye on | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
us. Several people with allegations against the revolution, said they | :39:42. | :39:51. | |
were too frightened to be filmed. What are the options for the people | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
of Sirte in the harsh new reality they live. There have been some | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
rumours about the resumption of armed struggle, insurgency. Most | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
people discount that as a viable strategy. Instead, fascinatingly, | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
they are taking a leave out of the book of their former opponents in | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
the revolutionary movement, using the Internet and other modern media | :40:15. | :40:22. | |
to try to mobilise some public support. | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
This presentation is part of the campaign that's recently born | :40:26. | :40:33. | |
launched on behalf of Sirte -- been launched on behalf of Sirte. It | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
encourages Libyans to discard their prejudices and help the city start | :40:37. | :40:44. | |
anew. We started as the youth from Sirte. We started to show pictures | :40:44. | :40:50. | |
and invited every embassy, UN, EU, just to show what happened to Sirte. | :40:50. | :40:57. | |
We need people to talk out. I foal it is like a stab in my back, | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
if I see my family and I see people inside Sirte, and they hurt, and | :41:03. | :41:10. | |
nobody talks. It is bad. I don't care that Muammar Gaddafi | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
is from Sirte, I care about the families there. So I have to speak | :41:13. | :41:23. | |
out and the whole world they have to hear us. | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
Sirte has its own Glean Square, another forlorn reminder of | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
Gaddafi's grand design and its failure. Now post-revolution, the | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
city stands for something different. The fate of Sirte now is very | :41:39. | :41:44. | |
important, and so the way that the new Libyan authorities treat places | :41:44. | :41:51. | |
that were seen to be very loyal to Gaddafi is going to be a litmus | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
test for what the future will hold. When I was interviewing people, | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
families from Sirte back in October, one of the gentlemen said to me, | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
right now we don't have have the power to fight back, but we will | :42:06. | :42:12. | |
not forget, and when we do, we will. Having had so much money lavished | :42:12. | :42:17. | |
upon it in the past, some Libyans now feel Sirte should go to the | :42:17. | :42:25. | |
back of the queue. But people will watch what happens here, both those | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
who believe democracy and human rights can triumph over revenge and | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
tribalism, as well as those who support unpopular leaders, and | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
wonder what might happen to them when their leader is tumbled from | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
the pedestal. Joining me from Italy is a member of the Libyan National | :42:45. | :42:52. | |
Transitional Council. Isn't Sirte entitled to as much assistance as | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
any other place in Italy? Xaebgtly, this revolution is for -- exactly, | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
this revolution is for all Libyans together. Libya is united, west, | :43:03. | :43:09. | |
east and north, it will be united and the whole country is united. It | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
clearly isn't united, let's be realistic, it is clearly not, we | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
will come to the politics in a second. Let's look at the question | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
of torture, these allegations of torture, made by organisations like | :43:23. | :43:32. | |
Human Rights Watch, Medecins sans frontier, this is a discais | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
national -- a disgraceful state of affairs? I have been visiting so | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
many prisons in Misrata and Tripoli. It seems if you have a few cases | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
but it doesn't say that is the whole country like this, or the | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
whole person is like this. Amnesty International visited 11 place of | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
at the detention, ten of which people said they had been subjected | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
to mistreatment? Well, I can tell us, most of the prisoners, they | :44:03. | :44:09. | |
received their families, visiting, almost every second day. If there | :44:09. | :44:16. | |
is something like that, it will be sent by the familiar lose. -- | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
families. Now we have a system that all prisoners, even the dangerous | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
guys, visit their families. Some have been transferred to their | :44:25. | :44:32. | |
homes. There is no negotiations at all. But you may find ...There | :44:32. | :44:38. | |
pictures of people being tortured on the Internet, they are all fake? | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
Anything which the Internet is trying to film from a prison. We | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
don't know where it is come ring from. If you and any other | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
organisations come and visit the prisoner themselves. Anything that | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
you and the Internet are not responsible for, because we don't | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
know where it comes from. Can we talk about the politics for a | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
second or two? This demand today from Benghazi that the arrangement | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
within the country be changed, so that there be some sort of federal | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
system, in which Benghazi is left much more, and the area around it, | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
is left much more to its own devices, doesn't that indicate a | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
profound lack of faith in the current arrangements. | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
I don't think so, federalisation is something that is more, and it is | :45:27. | :45:32. | |
not something for me or NTC or any member of Libya now to talk about | :45:32. | :45:38. | |
or decide where to go. It is too early for the Libyans to decide, | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
whether to go for the king dom, whatever it is. We are wait -- | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
kingdom, whatever it is, we are waiting for the constitution, and | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
then the six million Libyans decide where to go. We are not saying if | :45:52. | :45:58. | |
the organisation is good or bad, it is too early to say. This group | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
gathered together and decided to go for it, they are not presenting | :46:03. | :46:11. | |
eastern parts, that is where the uprising started. You will see so | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
many demonstrations, again it is this, there was a survey done by | :46:16. | :46:24. | |
some media, in that region, only 30% or 25% with that .5% against. | :46:25. | :46:32. | |
So we are, this is something which is again the wish of the people. | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
Thank you for spending the time to talk to us. Thank you. That is all | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
from Newsnight tonight, the 50th anniversary of the publication of | :46:40. | :46:45. | |
the report, which showed what tobacco does to your health. There | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
are still eight million who spoke, and the accumulated loss of life he | :46:50. | :46:57. | |
can speck tancy is said to be a million years. 50 years enough to | :46:57. | :47:04. | |
build up of those life expectancy sis. | :47:04. | :47:11. | |
I like spoking. I enjoy it. -- like smoking, I enjoy it. Is it | :47:11. | :47:20. | |
worth the risk? Yes. Honestly it is one's life, at the end of one's | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
life you are probably more in the hand of almighty God than in my own | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
hand. Are you going to try to cut down now the report is out?? | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
don't think so, I don't think I spoke heavily enough to worry about | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
it. Don't you believe the connection between cancer? Maybe, I | :47:38. | :47:45. | |
connection between cancer? Maybe, I have never been really ill. | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
Hello, some wind and drain crossing the country at the moment, soggy | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
end to the night for most places. Causing problems for the early | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
morning commute. Things will improve by the afternoon, most of | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
us brighter and breezy. Sun shy, but a cold wind, a scattering of | :48:04. | :48:12. | |
blus -- sunshine but a cold wind. Bright and breezy in the afternoon. | :48:12. | :48:17. | |
Showers are isolated, racing through on the blustery wind. If | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
anything, falling away during the course of the afternoon as colder | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
air digs are from the west. It means the showers across snow | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
downia could turn wintry, and in the Highland. For Scotland we are | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
concerned that later on in the day, we could see nasty conditions, | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
significant snowfall, not just over the mountains, but low level as we | :48:39. | :48:44. | |
see the snow blowing around. It is all change on Thursday, milder | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
again across northern areas, milder, cloudier and outbreak of rain, | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
particularly for western Scotland and Northern Ireland. Further south | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
it looks like drying up, sunshine, after a frosty start. The trend as | :48:57. | :49:02. |