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Tonight, the biggest test of public opinion since the general election. | 0:00:01 | 0:00:05 | |
The first chance to hear how voters across Britain are reacting to the | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
double-dip recession, the polls closed half an hour ago. In London, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
Boris or Ken, the result could influence party politics for years. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
If Boris remains mayor, it could give the Tories a boost on the | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
tough night. But the two-term mayor could come to test a Prime Minister | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
who hasn't yet won one majority. We will be reporting from elections | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
around the country, and assessing the impact on the three main | 0:00:27 | 0:00:33 | |
parties. Plus, how the operators of Heathrow | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
Airport undermined a minister on how long the queues had been at | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
immigration. If you are travelling this bank holiday, good luck, we | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
will hear from the Immigration Minister. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
The last days of Osama Bin Laden, new documents showed how he planned | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
to relaunch Al-Qaeda, and murder President Obama. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
And Putin's palace, as he prepares to take over the presidency again. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Newsnight investigates whether he plans to live like the new Tsar of | 0:00:57 | 0:01:07 | |
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Russia? Good evening, one foreign reporter, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
likened today's elections the length and breath of Britain, to | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
talent show with really boring contestants. That, however, is not | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
how the results will be seen in party headquarters, for the | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
governing parties, how will voters react to big national issues, the | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
continuing recession, the aftermath of the budget. For Labour, how | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
credible does Ed Miliband looks a leader, as a possible Prime | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
Minister. And for the smaller parties, will voter disaffection | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
mean they might pull off some big surprises. Our political editor is | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
here. What's at stake tonight? tomorrow night we will know whether | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
these mid-term blues that the Government has certainly been | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
suffering are actually long-term blues, but it is not just for the | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
Government, it is also that we will have a better sense whether the | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
leader of the opposition cuts it across the country, south as well | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
as north. With these in 2012, basically half way through a | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
parliamentary term, they are always going to be up for the opposition. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:07 | |
To a certain extent we are playing a game of numbers, this 350 versus | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
750 gain that is Labour must make. It is difficult to ascertain what | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
they will get. The numbers will help us evaluate the bad run the | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Government has had since the budget, has it stuck and crystalised in | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
people's mind that these people are not particularly competent in | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
running the country. Also in the turns will with see the Liberal | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
Democrats really suffering still, and in the south, does the Labour | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
leader look like somebody people would endorse. In London there is a | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
big race for mayors going on. Around the country we have found | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
results about referendas for mayors, similar to what we have had in | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
London. If there is bad turn out on that, and people are not interested, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
that is a bad audit on a key radical piece of this Government's | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
policy, that it will be difficult for them to style them he was | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
selves out of. In London we have a big race of personalities of two | 0:02:58 | 0:03:08 | |
people known by their first names. Good strategists think London's | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
voting preferences are like a doughnut, at least that was it last | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
election, will it work this time round. The school of political | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
bakery thinks this, London is a Labour city, if only those people | 0:03:19 | 0:03:25 | |
in its middle vote, so think Boris Johnson's strategists, but they | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
squinted and saw a doughy ring out in the suburbs where Conservatives | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
hid and lived. Last year they were lured out and voted Conservative, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
four years on Ken Livingstone wants a piece of them. Today with the | 0:03:37 | 0:03:43 | |
polls shut, and nothing left to do but harry voters, Newsnight thought, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
let them eat dough NUTs. It is in the outer metropolitan zone. I was | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
aware that Ken cared last time, was really aware, and I have seen what | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
has happened in London whilst Boris has been in power. You live in | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
central London, which means you are the space inside the doughnut. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
About about do you live? Balham. How have you gone, is it the colour | 0:04:06 | 0:04:13 | |
of your jacket? No. It is the colour of his jumper. Boris? | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
come? I just like him, I think he's personable, I really don't like Ken. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
Political bakery not the most sustaining of political strategies, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
then, we headed into the suburbs, nonetheless, to find out how much | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
success Livingstone has been having. London Bridge, the site of the | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
great doughnut givaway, brings people in from places like Bexley, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
Livingstone targeted these voters with an immediate popular pledge, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
he would cut their train fares by as much as �1,000 over four years. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
I think I'm going to go with Labour. Not because I believe Ken | 0:04:47 | 0:04:53 | |
Livingstone should come back in, but just because I believe Labour | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
will do well for us. It is all Conservative round here, mainly. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
What makes you vote Labour? always have, and I like Livingstone, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
I like what he started in the beginning, with the bus passes et | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
cetera. Did you vote Labour at the last election? Yes. Where are these | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Tory voters round here, this is supposed to be heavy Tory area? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
They are hiding, they saw you coming and they hid. I think it | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
will stay Conservative. Will you help Boris Johnson keep it | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
Conservative? Probably, yes. Bexley Ken Livingstone seemed to | 0:05:25 | 0:05:31 | |
have made some inroads, what did the academics think? Last time | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
Boris Johnson did well, particularly in outer East London, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
this time Ken Livingstone and Labour targeted that area. But, of | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
course, Boris is still pretty powerful out there, both candidates | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
were trying to target it this time. Now we will see tomorrow whether | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
this means that Ken has managed to redowse the Tory lead out there, or | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
whether it has allowed a bit more Boris voting in central and Inner | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
London. It was because of how well Boris Johnson did in outer London | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
last time, that Labour really hit it this time. If Ken wins, it is | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
because they put effort into places like this, Bexley Heath, but his | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
colleagues have a sober appraisal of the process, they think if Boris | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
wins is it is because Boris is Boris, but if Ken wins it is | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
because he has been buoyed along by Labour in the polls in recent | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
months. The candidate to be London mayor was the day before the | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
candidate to be Labour leader, that is not way to run a party. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
On whether Ken Livingstone should have been Labour's man, there is a | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
weight of opinion. He may well have turned out to be the wrong | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
candidate. He brought with him an enormous amount of experience to | 0:06:41 | 0:06:47 | |
this election, but also an enormous amount of baggage, it is the | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
baggage maybe more than the experience that has been judged by | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
the voters. Birmingham could be one of the big stories of the night, it | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
is where Labour launched their campaign, there is also derby, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
Newcastle, Plymouth, and Southampton. And can they hold on | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
to Glasgow? The Government has been beefing up the amount Labour can | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
expect to win. They said it should be over 700 seats, Labour say it is | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
more likely to be around 300. The trouble for Downing Street is | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
that while a little sugar in moderation is a good pick-me-up, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
too much and there is a crushing low. Just as Boris Johnson will | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
reset the political narrative, it could be used against David Cameron | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
in months and years to come. Boris Johnson would have been elected as | 0:07:30 | 0:07:36 | |
a saloon-bar Conservative, a true- blue, low-tax, anti-Europe | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
politician. David Cameron's critics want him more like Boris Johnson, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
not less. The London candidates are poor | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
indicators of their political party's actual standing with the | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
public. Ken Livingstone is now less popular than his party, Boris | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
Johnson is more. The national political scene, any way, has | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
already got significant dates in next week's diary, appearances at | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
Leveson by Cameron's former adviser, Andy Coulson. The Tory Party expect | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
a sugar high from any Johnson victory, but they see plenty of | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
lows too. Tessa Jowell ran Ken Livingstone's | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
campaign, Michael Fallon is Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
and Ed Davey is Energy Secretary and here for the Liberal Democrats | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
tonight. What is your sense about Ken Livingstone, has he lost? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
wait until tomorrow. There is not a single ballot paper yet been | 0:08:21 | 0:08:29 | |
counted. I have been out, obviously today, and for the last weeks and | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
months. The film is absolutely right, that we have had a strategy | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
which has focused on two things, first of all outer London Boroughs, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:44 | |
but also mobilising the Labour vote in those areas that -- where the | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
turnout is traditionally very low. Was the film right that it was the | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
wrong candidate? You have a Labour Party leader, Ed Miliband, who said | 0:08:51 | 0:08:56 | |
this is a new generation of Labour, and you go to candidate which seems | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
to be a turn-off for many people who would otherwise vote Labour? | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
The Labour Party chose Ken Livingstone. But they are not I | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
infallible, they could have made a mistake? Any of us could be | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
mistakes for our party. But you go out, round London, with Ken | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
Livingstone, what were people talking about on the streets and | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
doorsteps, they were talking about his fares' pledge. What Ken | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
Livingstone did, with all his experience of being a big city | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
mayor, completely different from Boris Johnson, was to develop four | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
pledges to deal with the terrible pressure on the cost of living that | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
people are facing right across London. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
If he polls way behind the party in London, then you have made a huge | 0:09:41 | 0:09:48 | |
mistake, haven't you, because London should be a target you could | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
pick? You should be able to win in London and be confident? There are | 0:09:52 | 0:09:58 | |
two elections in London, one is the mayoral, and Boris Johnson has, by | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
the latest poll, a small poll lead, how does he have that? Indeed. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:13 | |
Because he establishs himself as an independent, not a story. Ken | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
Livingstone is the Labour Party candidate, standing on Labour | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
platform. But a mayoral contest will always be different. For | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
instance, the Greater London Assembly also being elected today. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Are you fairly confident that Boris Johnson will win? I think it is a | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
very close election and it was very close last time. It is a very | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
important test. If Labour hadn't won this tomorrow night, then I | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
think it will be because they didn't have candidate they could be | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
proud of, as we are proud of, having Boris as our candidate. It | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
will be because, like in Bradford, they still haven't present add | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
credible alternative to an economic policy -- a credible altern -- | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
presented a credible alternative to an economic policy and credible | 0:10:55 | 0:11:02 | |
response to the worst financial situation of any European country. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
Boris Johnson is a if he Numan, Stephen Dorrell saying in your own | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
party that you are run by two posh boys that don't know the price of | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
milk. Boris Johnson fits the posh boy picture, yet he seems to | 0:11:16 | 0:11:22 | |
connect with people better than David Cameron? He's an attractive | 0:11:22 | 0:11:28 | |
personality, and he's an attractive personality, he's coming across as | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
the more attractive one. What does that do to attract working-class | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
voters? There is a difference between this election and the way | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
the Government stands at the moment. This is Boris's general election, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
he is campaigning on his record of four years of getting crime down | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
and improving the transport system, for the Government as a whole, of | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
course, it is a mid-term position. We have only been in two years, we | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
are still taking some very tough decisions. He is campaigning on a | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
good four-year record. He would make a good Prime Minister and | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
leader of your party? He's mayor at the moment. I hope he will be re- | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
elected mayor tomorrow for the next four years. And be able to preside | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
over the Olympics and showcase our city in this very important year. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
One step at a time. A leader in waiting? It is far too early to | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
start speculate beg who the next leader of the Tory Party -- | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
speculating about who the next leader of the Tory Party will be. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
Let's get him re-elected on the basis of his record. I don't know | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
what to say about the Liberal Democrats in this election, there | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
are those that think this is the future of your party, that Brian | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
Paddick is absolutely nowhere? Brian has been a fantastic | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
candidate. He's the only candidate that has a really positive platform. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
He has shown he's fighting crime in London for over 30 years, and | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
that's why he wanted today put himself at the head of the London | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
police force in terms of the met commissioner. So he's dragged back | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
by the party, by the fact it is so terribly unpopular? Let's be clear, | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
fight last time has been replicated a bit this time. You have two very | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
big characters, Liberal Democrats wouldn't deny. That Ken and Boris, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
known by their first names, as was said earlier, it was always | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
difficult, as was last time, for Brian to come through. It is a | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
widely held view by independent commentators, that in the mayoral | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
debates, Brian won those debates. He has enthused those people. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
will be lucky to come third? think he will do well. I'm not | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
suggesting he will win. But he has fought a very positive campaign. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
What is interesting, if you look at the campaigns of Ken and Boris, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
they have been very negative, they have been attacking each other, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:40 | |
really quite unsavoury campaigns. One of them will win? One of them | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
may well, I won't be excited about it. When people look at what Brian | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
Paddick is saying, they say at least someone is addressing the | 0:13:47 | 0:13:53 | |
problems of Londoners. London may be one of the most obvious prizes | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
of the night, but across the country there is the possibility of | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
a series of political shifts, and in ten cities there have been | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
referendums about whether or not to have a mayor. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:09 | |
We will our guests in a moment. First to Birmingham. How are things | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
looking in the West Midlands? looks like a long night of it here. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
A third of the 120 seats on the council here have been contested. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
But Labour are pretty confident that it is not going to take them | 0:14:21 | 0:14:28 | |
that long to collect the extra four seats they need for an overall | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
majority for the first time in eight years. When I tell you that a | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
swing from the Conservatives to Labour of.5% or less would be | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
sufficient in the -- 2.5% or less would be sufficient in the marginal | 0:14:40 | 0:14:46 | |
Tory wards, you can see why Labour is so confident. This city has been | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
run for the last eight years by a Conservative- Liberal Democrat | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
coalition, Ed Miliband would love the message from Birmingham tonight | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
to be that the political tide is turning against Tory-Lib Dem | 0:15:00 | 0:15:06 | |
coalitions everywhere. There is a great deal to play for here, Ed | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
Miliband launched his campaign here a few days ago, I wouldn't bet on | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
the possibility of him being back soon. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:20 | |
Now over to Wales. There is one clear question here in | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
Wales tonight, that is this, just how well are Labour going to do? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
They think the answer is a very clear, very well indeed. They have | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
asked the electorate in Wales to send the vicious UK coalition, as | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
they put it, a message. That is precisely what they think voters in | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
Wales have done today. A very different story from four years ago. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:47 | |
They had a devastating night in 2008, the electorate as it was put | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
back then, had given Labour a "belting", all other parties gained | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
ground. But tonight then, on a decent night, Labour will get most | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
of that ground back. On a good they will get it all back, then they | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
will keep pushing. They want to take Wrexham from the Liberal | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
Democrats. They want to take Swansea from the Liberal Democrats. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
On a great night for Labour in Wales, they will ge get what they | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
really, really want, -- get what they really, really want, that is | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
to control Cardiff council, and again take that from the Liberal | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
Democrats. If that happens, then Wales will deliver Ed Miliband and | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
Labour a genuinely good-news story. They will deliver the Liberal | 0:16:28 | 0:16:35 | |
Democrats a genuine headache. Off to Liverpool now to hear the | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
latest. Yes, here the ballot boxes are being counted. When Liverpool | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
decides who its first directly elected mayor will be, that will | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
become the first such post in the North West of England. No directly | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
elected mayors yet, but there will be two, because Salford is counting | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
as well. I should tell you that speculation is the Labour council | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
leader is going to be swapping his plaque on his door tomorrow, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
because he's the front runner to become the city mayor. I have been | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
speaking to one Labour senior source this evening, who said it is | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
going very well for them. They think Joe Anderson might win on the | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
first ballot. There is 12 candidates standing, but it may not | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
go to a second ballot. Elsewhere in the region, the question is how | 0:17:20 | 0:17:26 | |
badly will the coalition parties do. They certainly didn't do too badly | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
last year. What about the Liberal Democrats, they suffered a meltdown | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
last year, this time is there a recovery, or are they in something | 0:17:36 | 0:17:42 | |
of a political death spiral. Thank you very much. More now from | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
the political panel, Michael Fallon, Ed Davey and Tessa Jowell. I was | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
thinking listening to that, where in the great history of Lib Dem | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
mid-term triumphs are we going to see tonight? We have been waiting | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
for a mid-term blues for 90 years. It is 90 years since we have been | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
able to say, I do actually think on the doorsteps, when we have been | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
out there, things are a lot better than last year. I think they will | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
be even better next year. I think people are beginning to listen to | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
us, as Nick Clegg said a few days ago, in a way that they weren't | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
listening last year, that is clear. What has happened between last year | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
and this year, people have been seeing on the television the real | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
problems in economies across Europe, in Greece, in Spain, in Portugal, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
in Ireland, where there have been massive expenditure cuts. Public | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
service workers have taken 6% cuts in Ireland. There rb riots on the | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
streets. I think people, therefore, are beginning to understand we had | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
to take tough decisions and clear up the mess we interited, they have | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
-- inher rites, and they have begun to listen to that message. People | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
are saying you are the ones with the burning exits, you can't stay | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
in the coalition because you will be more unpopular and you can't go | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
out any of the windows? I'm hearing people say that Liberal Democrats | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
areic maing a big difference. They are beginning to hear that we have | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
made sure that people on lower pay and middle incomes are getting tax | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
cuts. They know that wouldn't happen if Liberal Democrats weren't | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
in the coalition. Are you looking to 700 seat to pick | 0:19:13 | 0:19:22 | |
up? It is far too early to predict in that way. We obviously hope to | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
make progress. We had a very bad election defeat two years ago. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
There are obvious parts of the country like at the south of | 0:19:31 | 0:19:40 | |
England where we hope to make progress from our position. In 20 | 0:19:40 | 0:19:47 | |
10 both. So communities are represented by Labour councils, as | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
an antedote to this Government that has all the prong priorities, but | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
also building towards the next general election. If you are going | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
to be cautious and modest about what Labour might do, I wonder if | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
Michael Fallon is tempted. A good result for them would be 800 seats? | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
That is not our estimate, the London School of Economics, Tony | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
Travis, he says Labour ought to be getting about 800 seats and 40% of | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
the votes, he said a good result for Labour would be 900 seats. The | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
good comparison is four years ago. These were seats we won when Gordon | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
Brown was at the height of his unpopularity. We're defending a | 0:20:23 | 0:20:29 | |
very high base. So if they can't get 900 seats, then really they are | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
not there. I Can I say, there is a game going | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
on here, which the Conservatives have been doing all day, which is | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
ramping up the number of seats. are not ramping down? You wouldn't | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
do that? We are absolutely not. We are giving a commentry on our | 0:20:47 | 0:20:53 | |
experience of work in particular areas of the country. Glasgow, | 0:20:53 | 0:21:00 | |
London, and the Brad for West -- Bradford West election, if you | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
can't start winning these things, Ed Miliband will not be Prime | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
Minister. We have a mayoral contest in London, a contest between two | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
big personalities, Boris Johnson, who makes Londoners laugh, and Ken | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
Livingstone, who will cut their fares and introduce an EMA, it is a | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
big choice. But there is also the Greater London Authority. That is | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
the other big contest in London. That is the Labour-Tory fight. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
as we discussed earlier, they may do better there, Labour, than in | 0:21:30 | 0:21:37 | |
the mayoral elections? It is a reasonable test, Bradford, London? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
It is a terrible month for the Conservative Party, what kind of | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
relaunch will you have to have? have to look at the results and | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
learn from the results. Obviously the last month has not been good. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
We have been taking some very tough decisions, but Ed Davey he referred | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
to them. You have also been accused of shambles and incompetence, and | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
the posh boys thing, you will have to be more competent? We wholly | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
accept, that we can always improve the way we communicate our message | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
and focus people on the really big achievements of this Government. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
Parliament has just ended. We have put the first-ever cap on welfare | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
spending, we have put the first ever controls on immigration. We | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
have reformed education and taken people out of tax. These are the | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
real things. What about the people in the party that you talk to, what | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
do they want you to do differently? They want us to explain our | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
achievements, they want us to explain how we are actually | 0:22:34 | 0:22:42 | |
tackling the appalling deficit we hin inherited. How we are re-- | 0:22:42 | 0:22:50 | |
inherited, how we are reforming the economy and other important issues. | 0:22:50 | 0:23:00 | |
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We will have more on this, Question -- Vote 2012 starts tonight on BBC | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
One. Now, if you are flying through | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
Heathrow Airport this bank holiday weekend, or any British airport any | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
time soon, you will be aware of the row about queues at Heathrow. Today | 0:23:15 | 0:23:22 | |
the airport operator, BAA, produced figures that appeared to undermine | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
the Immigration Minister's queues, saying they were 90 minutes. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Officials are expected to go on strike next week in a dispute over | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
pensions. We will hear from a minister in a minute. First we have | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
some of the details. What are these targets that the passengers | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
arriving in Britain are supposed to expect? It is pretty low tech stuff, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
the person that joins the back of the queue is different a card, and | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
they clock how long it takes for them to get to the top of the queue | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
and get processed. The targets, there is no sanctions for this, if | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
they miss the targets it is a rap on the knuckles. The Government | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
hopes it achieve that those arriving from the EEA, the European | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
Union and other rich countries, they will be processed within 25 | 0:24:03 | 0:24:09 | |
minutes, those from the non-EEA, the rest of the world, European | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
Economic Area, 45 minutes. The Immigration Minister Damian Green | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
was called to the House of Commons, because there was a shrew of | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
protests about the length of queues at Heathrow Airport. He said that | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
the target for EEA was indeed being metaphor about 24 minutes, but that | 0:24:24 | 0:24:31 | |
he did it, he conceded that it was about 90 minutes for non-EEA people. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
The BAA were conducting their own survey, this is the airport | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
managers, on the very day the minister was speaking. They said | 0:24:38 | 0:24:44 | |
the fact it is up to an hour-and-a- half, for some people arriving into | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
Terminal 5. 21 out of 23 days were missed targets. 23 days for April | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
missing targets. BAA saying that is a conservative estimate. They said | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
the queues were so long during some of the terminals, that the EEA | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
people and the non-EEA people were amongling together and they | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
couldn't standby the statistics. They say they will throw people at | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
the problem, there will be people from the back office and they will | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
be flying columns going from terminal to terminal dealing with | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
the problems. There is 480 staff extra for the Olympic. There is an | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
IF crash today, so no processing visa, and a strike by border staff | 0:25:28 | 0:25:36 | |
next Thursday in the long-running dispute over pensions Earlier I | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
spoke to the Immigration Minister, Damian Green. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
This is pretty embarrassing, while you were telling parliament and the | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
people of this country that the longest queue was 90 minutes, the | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
BAA figures suggest it was three hours? Border Force figures | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
measured it at 90 minutes, BAA do their measurements at different | 0:25:55 | 0:26:02 | |
times. They make it three hours. Either way it is too long. I am | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
clear. You accept the figures. They measure more frequently than the | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
Border Force? I don't dispute the figures, but on BAA or Border Force, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
the figure is too long. That is why we have taken decisive action this | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
week to stop this kind of thing. April was a bad month at Heathrow, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
nobody would deny that, I certainly wouldn't. What we have done from | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
the beginning of May is a series of measures, we have introduced 80 | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
People's Palace available at peak times. We have a central control | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
room so we can know immediately which terminal may be building up | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
problems. We have mobile teams of people who can be deployed to | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
different terminals as problems emerge. From the beginning of next | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
month we have a completely new rostering system that will allow us | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
to be more flexible. It is aimed at getting the right number of people | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
in the right terminal at the right time. On Monday you said some | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
people were exaggerating all of this, they weren't exaggerating | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
this, it is absolutely terrible, as would you accept. There is a degree | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
of complacency about this? I said on Monday it wasn't acceptable. I | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
said the queues were too long. There have been some stories proved | 0:27:11 | 0:27:17 | |
to be not true, but at no stage would anyone deny that queues, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
whether an hour-and-a-half or three hours are too long. We don't want | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
that happening at Heathrow. other figure BAA came up with, at | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
Terminal 5 they missed their target for non-EU nationals by 23 out of | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
30 days in April, that is particularly embarrassing, coming | 0:27:32 | 0:27:39 | |
up to the Olympics, isn't it? as I say, was bad at Heathrow. That | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
is why we have gripped it and taken decisive action. Now a few days | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
into May we have a few people available, more controls and so on. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
You mentioned the Olympics, on top of what we have done now, for the | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Olympics we do have many hundreds of volunteers who we have trained | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
up, who will be able to work at the border, because we are aware that | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
Olympic period, the eyes of the world will be on Britain, and we | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
want to give people as good a welcome as possible. We are already, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
for instance, taking the finger prints, the biometrics of thousands | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
of the actual competitors and officials who will be coming here. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
They can have their path smoothed through the border. We are working | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
very hard to make sure that the Olympics isn't in any way | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
overshadowed by this. Would you accept this is not an unskilled job, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
we demand, as a nation, we demand proper border security, we demand | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
skilled people, and training up volunteers may help speed the | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
queues, but will it continue to make us as safe as people think we | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
should be? Yes, that is why we have been doing it for months. For | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
months we have had plan to train people up, so they can, they have | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
the appropriate level of training for the jobs we will be asking them | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
to do at the border. As you say, and one of the things that | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
occasionally gets forgotten in this debate, the first priority has to | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
be border security, we have to make sure everyone coming through our | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
border has a legitimate right to be here and isn't seeking to cause us | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
harm. That is the first priority. Along with that we need to meet our | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
service standards, and make people's experience of the airport | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
as smooth as possible. Given how bad it was in April, which you have | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
now conceded, couldn't it be even worse if we are faced with a strike, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
do you think the figures for May will be as terrible as for April? | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
Would profoundly hope not. In the first few days it isn't, precisely | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
because of the measuress we have taken from the start of May. It is | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
not a question of now conceding April is bad, I knew April is bad, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:48 | |
we have seen the figures. You can't guarantee it will be any better in | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
May? We have contingency plans ready for the strike, if it happens, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
if a lot of people do go out on strike, I hope they don't. It is an | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
unnecessary strike, they shouldn't go on strike, they should keep | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
talking. A lot of unions have reached an agreement on pensions, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
its a completely unnecessary strike, if it does happen to any large | 0:30:06 | 0:30:12 | |
degree we have people trained up to make sure that the borders work | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
effectively. Do we deduce from everything you have said, that was | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
an apology for the chaos in April? Of course I regret people have to | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
wait too long. All sensible people would, what people are saying what | 0:30:24 | 0:30:30 | |
have you done about it, what we have done is put more people in at | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
peak times, peak times, a new central control room and rosering | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
system. We have taken -- rostering system, whenever taken swift and | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
immediate action. In the days before his death a year | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
ago, Osama Bin Laden was obsessing over how to rebrand and relaunch | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
Al-Qaeda. That and his hopes of killing President Obama were among | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
the revelations of some of the documents found at Osama Bin | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Laden's heightout in Pakistan, during the raid which killed him. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
It was released today by the American authorities. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:09 | |
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Our diplomatic editor has been taking a look. Early in 2010, Bin | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
Laden was facing up to crisis in his global strategy. The ailation | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
of most of the nation from the mujahadin...In His own words, too | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
many fighters waging holy war in their own way, killing too many | 0:31:26 | 0:31:32 | |
civilians. Bomb attacks near mosques in Afghanistan and Pakistan | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
had? "extreme negative impact on the partisans of the Jihad". | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
aim of his struggle? "direct attrition against the American | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
enemy, until it is broken and too weak to interfere in the matters of | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
the Islamic world". He urged the killing of General Petraeus. "the | 0:31:49 | 0:31:57 | |
man of the hour. Or President Obama? Ggs the head of the | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
infidelity". The killing of President Obama would put Joe Biden | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
in charge, and man that Bin Laden said was totally unprepared for the | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
post, leading the US into a crisis. The Arab Spring revived the Al- | 0:32:10 | 0:32:17 | |
Qaeda chief who wrote shortly before his death. "these events are | 0:32:17 | 0:32:27 | |
the most important for centuries. The The more moderate | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
interpretation of Islam he believed was. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:39 | |
Younger more radical voices would do this, stirred up with cadres | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
from Al-Qaeda returning to their home countries. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
If galvanised by big ideas, Bin Laden was also preoccupied with | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
tactics, media activity is said to be a main piece of the war. He | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
argued that they must mobilise all the resource that is have | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
expressive abilities in speech, poetry, visual or audio. On | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
security precautions he said cowerers should always meet under | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
cover, where satellites or drones couldn't see them. And that the | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
American technology and its modern systems can't arrest a man if he | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
does not commit skaur error. Osama Bin Laden insisted that suicide | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
bombers should not be sent alone because of the psychological | 0:33:21 | 0:33:26 | |
factors affecting a person in such cases, necessitate the presence of | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
a companion to support and bolster him. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
Fascinating stuff, I thought reading through the documents as | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
you formed any opinion as to how isolated he was in this compound, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
and how hands on, in charge as a leader of this organisation? | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
paradox is both of those things are true. Very hands on, taking a | 0:33:44 | 0:33:51 | |
detailed interest in the minute usingia of communiques, the | 0:33:51 | 0:33:58 | |
language used for people giving instructions to people in Yemen and | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
Somalia, about tactics, not targeting civilians, the procedures | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
for electing leaders. We used to be told by counter terrorism people | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
that it was not a sort of organisation with a membership list. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
There was one seesed from 2002. So quite a formal organisation where | 0:34:13 | 0:34:20 | |
he tried to insist on standards, but because of what the west might | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
all operation security, his desire to preserve himself, he couldn't | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
communicate in a timely, regular and detailed fashion, that caused a | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
breach, if you like, of many of the more wayward individuals and what | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
he wanted them to do. We haven't time to go through the strange | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
stuff, pick out something that particularly caught your eye? | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
is a tale in here that really indicates what a remarkable and | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
strange historical phenomenon Al- Qaeda was. And the organisation and | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
running it was. How difficult it was. There is a man mentioned in | 0:34:50 | 0:35:00 | |
0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | ||
there, Abu Talhar, Bin Laden heard he was going to do a martyr dom | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
event, and Bin Laden said if he hasn't done it already, can he do a | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
manual about some things because he's good at that. What an | 0:35:11 | 0:35:17 | |
extraordinary thing. I have traced this person, he was a Moroccan-born | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
terrorist, and he did die in an attack on Bagram Air Base around | 0:35:22 | 0:35:28 | |
the time Bin Laden wrote that, he never got the message to write the | 0:35:28 | 0:35:35 | |
manual. It is dae sign foult for a structure for the future? That is - | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
- it is a design foult for a structure for the future. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
Vladimir Putin's grip on power reminds some of the authoritarian | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
Tsars, there is there is comment that he has built a Tsar-like | 0:35:50 | 0:35:56 | |
palace. A mysterious complex has risen up on the black sea. A former | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
member of Vladimir Putin's inner circle these he can prove it was | 0:36:01 | 0:36:09 | |
built with public money for the private use of the leader. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
A palace, fit for a Tsar. Lavishly constructed by Italian | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
architects, at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
Its gates crowned by an imperial eagle. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
This newly built mansion on Russia's Black Sea Riviera, has all | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
the facilities the country's ruler might require, including a landing | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
pad with space for three helicopters. But officially, it | 0:36:35 | 0:36:43 | |
belongs to an obscure private company. But who is it for? Efforts | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
by campaigners to breakthrough security and penetrate the palace | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
ground have only deepened the mystery that has been tantalising | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
Russians. Was it built as a personal retreat for their modern- | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
day Tsar, Vladimir Putin, about to start a third term as President. Is | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
it yet another example of the corruption many believe is now | 0:37:03 | 0:37:12 | |
engulfing the country. This is a man who should know. The | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
first insider from Putin's own business circle to blow the whistle | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
on how he says the Russian leader has benefited personally from his | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
position. The Kremlin's denied his allegations. But for several years, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
the man, who now works in the Estonian capital, Tallin, was one | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
of those responsible for building palace, until he pulled out in | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
disgust, he says, and fled abroad for his own safety. TRANSLATION: | 0:37:42 | 0:37:48 | |
hadn't worked 15-hours a day for ten years to build a par lays. That | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
didn't interest me -- palace, that didn't interest me, I tried to do | 0:37:52 | 0:37:57 | |
something good for Russia. These are the records of payments, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
overseen by Kolesnikov to an overseas company belonging to | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
friends of Putin, that financed the palace. He alleges much of the | 0:38:05 | 0:38:11 | |
money was diverted from charitable donations. The story begins, he | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
says, with Roman Abramovich, now owner of Chelsea Football Club, he | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
was one of several tycoons who gave millions of dollars to upgrade | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
Russian hospitals. Kolesnikov imported the equipment, also | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
involved were two personal friends of Vladimir Putin's, Nikolai | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Shamalov and Dmitri Gorelov. He says they got the equipment at a | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
discount, and unknown to the donors, transferred some of the savings | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
into offshore companies. At the suggestion of Vladimir Putin | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
himself. Much of it was invested on Putin's | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
instructions in needy Russian industries. But not all. The | 0:38:50 | 0:38:57 | |
Kremlin had a pet project of its own. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
TRANSLATION: At the beginning of 2005, they said there was a nice | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
piece of land on the Black Sea, where a small house to be built for | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
relaxation. But the original scheme, and this is clear in our contract | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
with the Department of Presidential affairs, was for just $14 million, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:20 | |
a small house with a swimming pool, nothing more. But today that little | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
retreat, that his company helped finance, covers a whole | 0:39:25 | 0:39:32 | |
mountainside. An environmental activist, seen here, wanted to | 0:39:32 | 0:39:37 | |
discover who destroyed protected forest to build huge a huge complex. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
Originally it was thought to be owned by a company owned by Putin's | 0:39:41 | 0:39:46 | |
friends. The activists, assumed to be workmen, got right up to the | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
palace, before being spotted by private security. Then they were | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
approached by other guards, with badges more usually seen around the | 0:39:54 | 0:40:00 | |
Kremlin. TRANSLATION: There were employees of the federal guard | 0:40:00 | 0:40:05 | |
service, whose job it is to protect the high state official, they were | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
even in uniform. They showed us their official IDs, there was no | 0:40:08 | 0:40:15 | |
sign it was a private house. whose palace is it really? | 0:40:15 | 0:40:22 | |
Newsnight set off to investigate. Through a snowy landscape, that | 0:40:22 | 0:40:28 | |
became steadily more impassable. Unlike Putin, we didn't have the | 0:40:28 | 0:40:35 | |
advantage of a helicopter. The palace, we think, is a further | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
30kms down this road, but the snow is getting too deep for us to | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
continue. We thought we would be stopped by the secret police, but | 0:40:42 | 0:40:48 | |
in the end, we have simply been stopped by the Russian winter. This | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
man saw the palace many times as it was being built. He says it was his | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
job to discuss with Kremlin officials how best to implement | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
Putin's wishes. But he and his partner, Putin's friend, Shamalov, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:11 | |
were beginning to fall out. TRANSLATION: At the end of 200 came | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
the financial crisis. Many of our investment projects needed extra | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
money. When I asked Putin he promised to provide it. But he | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
didn't. Then Shamalov told me the decision was to stop our other | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
projects and put all the money into the palace. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:33 | |
By the end of 2009, Kolesnikov had left Russia. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
He sent ant open letter to the President, accusing Putin, then | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
Prime Minister, of corruption. The Kremlin said it had nothing to do | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
with the palace. But a journalist on one of Russia's few opposition | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
paper, obtained documents to back up Kolesnikov's story. The | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
agreement to build the palace on state-owned land. It was very | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
important for us to find the documents to prove the land was | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
sold to the company, which belonged to Putin's friends. The department | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
for presidential affairs, the man there denied about knowing about | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
the store, and that he never signed any documents. And here is the | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
document with his signature. This showed us that he lied. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
That still doesn't prove the palace was meant for Putin himself. But | 0:42:18 | 0:42:27 | |
there is circumstantial evidence. TRANSLATION: It's also the building | 0:42:27 | 0:42:34 | |
of a road direct to the palace, a gas supply, the Government spend | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
tens of million of dollars on these. If this was just for Putin's friend | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
Shamalov, why would the federal guard service commission and | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
monitor the building of the palace. Where would Shamalov need three | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
helipads, a private person doesn't need these, but for a President, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
they are essential. The implication is clear, an elaborate scheme, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
planned over many years to give Putin a private palace on public | 0:42:58 | 0:43:03 | |
money. Without his name appearing on a single document. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
Kolesnikov's claims can't all be proved. There is no clear evidence | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
that charity funds were diverted, as for his former partners, Putin's | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
friends, Shamalov and Gorelov, their companies say they are not | 0:43:15 | 0:43:22 | |
available for comment. Meanwhile, the environmental | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
campaigners tried, without success, to stroll along the palace beach | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
last summer, by then the owners were another private company, less | 0:43:29 | 0:43:35 | |
closely connected with Putin. But was that just a smoke screen. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
TRANSLATION: I think it is so that this property can't later be | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
returned to the Government. Because clearly the man that this place | 0:43:42 | 0:43:48 | |
really belongs to, feels he may lose power. And then by law this | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
residence will go to the next President, if it still belongs to | 0:43:52 | 0:43:58 | |
the Kremlin. If it is private it can't be touched. Outside the | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
activists' house, we saw secret police lurking, they know his | 0:44:01 | 0:44:08 | |
campaign to protect the environment is becoming increasingly political. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
We have been watching him since he protested against the alleged | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
corruption of both local and national leaders, at the holiday | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
home of the regional governor on the Black Sea coast. The governor | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
is believed by some to have helped Putin choose the site for his | 0:44:22 | 0:44:27 | |
palace. When Newsnight met him, he denied the Kremlin chief had any | 0:44:27 | 0:44:32 | |
private rest home at all. Thars I know the President and Prime | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
Minister have official residences in Sochi, they were built in | 0:44:37 | 0:44:43 | |
Stalin's time, they received guests there and spent their summer | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
holidays, even then they were working. They are Government | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
residences, and they have nothing else, as far as I know. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
Vladimir Putin will soon return to his special office in the Kremlin, | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
he's being re-elected with an overwhelming majority. He will be | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
governing what the campaigning group, Transparency International, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:09 | |
says is by far one of the world's most corrupt leading states. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:16 | |
Levelled with nigh yearia, 38 places below India. -- Nigeria, and | 0:45:16 | 0:45:24 | |
38 places below India. Now a look at the front papers. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:34 | |
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