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They may have saved some of the Spanish banks for the time being, | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
but the euro is still far from safe. It will take 100 billion euros to | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
save the Spanish banking system. What's left of it. | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
How much longer can the European elite keep the whole thing afloat? | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
Are some nations being asked to accept more austerity than others? | :00:32. | :00:40. | |
The media magnate under oath. said, well, your company has made, | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
declared war on my Government. the former Prime Minister under | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
oath. This conversation never took place. | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
We will ask who is the one with the memory problem? | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
Then there is this. No half measure about Glasgow | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
housing, everything's looking up. They were built as the solution to | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
Glasgow's housing crisis and some people grew rather fond of them. | :01:07. | :01:15. | |
# I'm a scraper # I'm a skyscraper way | :01:15. | :01:24. | |
# I live on the 15th floor. Why, less than half a century later is | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
this happening to them? First thing today, markets all over | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
the world seemed to bounce a bit under the impression that the | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
latest crisis in the eurozone might have been resolved. They snapped | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
out of it as the day wore on, though. Meanwhile, the news that | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
Spain is getting all the relief of a bail out, without any of the pain | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
of austerity measure, hasn't gone down well with countries like | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
Greece or Ireland, wir which were told you couldn't have one -- which | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
were told you couldn't have one without the other. The eurozone | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
mess is alive and well. Let's join our Economics Editor on his tour of | :02:01. | :02:09. | |
ruined economies, tonight he's in Madrid. | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
Resist, we are the fourth power of the eurozone, we are not Uganda. | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
That is what the Finance Minister was texted, as they struggled over | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
the terms of the bail out. They said they were powerful and if they | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
don't give in, the whole thing will go down. The result, a 100 billion | :02:28. | :02:37. | |
bail out, no conditions, and crisis over, a victory, blames Mr Rajoy. | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
The markets reacted with no euphoria, the euro fell against the | :02:42. | :02:48. | |
dollar, Spain's cost of borrowing rose. Some think "victory" is not | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
the right word. There is a misnaming on the part of the | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
Government. They have not called it a rescue but called it a credit | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
line. We are not fully aware of what it entails. Clearly there is | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
going to be some loss of sovereignty, of ability to make our | :03:02. | :03:09. | |
own decisions. That is what happens when a country sin capable of | :03:09. | :03:17. | |
bailing out its own banks. Under the seal -- deal, Europe will pump | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
100 billion euro noose the banks through the bank bail out fund, | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
some will be nationalised and some merged. The money will count as | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
national debt for Spain, which is already rising steeply, and set to | :03:30. | :03:38. | |
hit 90% of GDP this year. It is a clear thing that the euro area is | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
willing and able to tackle the remaining challenges. In this | :03:43. | :03:50. | |
context, Europe is standing by Spain and supporting Spain in order | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
to restructure the banking sector. On the streets of Madrid today, to | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
some it did not feel like a victory. These workers protesting against | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
cuts in wages, and pensions. The absence of strict austerity | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
conditions came only because Spain is already implementing tough and | :04:07. | :04:15. | |
rapid cuts like these. TRANSLATION: We're civil servants, | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
who work in the courts. A rescue pack aing was requested, but only | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
for the banks -- package was requested, but only for the banks. | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
They keep cutting our pay and increasing our hours. | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
Banks have done nothing for this country, and now they are being | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
rescued. I would like to retire with 14 million euros, the problem | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
for Rajoy is he says the bail out is for Spain, but no-one believes. | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
That The Spanish opposition party was | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
doubtful this would be the last bail out Mr Rajoy negotiates. | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
needs to comply with the fiscal target, that means cutting 2.5% | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
from here to the end of the year. That is something that hasn't | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
happened in a structural deficit in any country in the EOCD in the last | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
20 years. It is very difficult. Even more so when the economy is | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
depressed. There is no economic activity. If you don't have | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
revenues you need expenditure, one after another. First, of course, | :05:10. | :05:18. | |
tough raise VAT, then there is going to be, well -- you have to | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
raise VAT, and then there will be cuts in unemployment and pensions | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
if that is not enough. At the centre of the problems, Spain's | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
local savings banks, the cajas, they lent too much in the boom, and | :05:33. | :05:40. | |
went on lending to show the appearance of prosperity. The | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
management hit the scale of the losses in cajas Madrid, before | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
pleading for a 21 billion rescue deal last month. So anyone with a | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
stick in the Spanish banking system, this soon will not feel very much | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
like a victory. Many branches like this one will close, many workers | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
will be sacked. Many shareholders will be penalised, and a lot of | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
savers actually bought shares. Plus, I understand, plil on the stable is | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
the option of penal -- still on the able is the option of penalising | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
the banks through what is called a bail-in. The economy is shrinking, | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
one in four adults has no job. The fear remains that global investor | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
also pull their money out of Spain, if the strategic problem of the | :06:25. | :06:34. | |
eurozone remains unsolved. Clearly the current eurodesign is | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
not sustainable. We need euro 2.0 we need a guiding light to say what | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
it will look like in the next two years. We are in for major reforms. | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
Banking union is mandatory and urgent we. Need to start making | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
some -- urgent. We need to make headway in fiscal union and | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
federation, without that the euro is doomed. This was bail out like | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
no other. The Finns and the Dutch and the Germans demanded tough | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
conditions, more Austerty. But the rest of Europe said, -- austerity, | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
but the rest of Europe said enough austerity. Don't ring the bells too | :07:11. | :07:21. | |
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loud, but it might work. This strange event is the first time | :07:23. | :07:30. | |
Europe has bailed its debts. It has doubt Spain time and space. We will | :07:30. | :07:37. | |
find out how much when the Greeks vote on Sunday. | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
Paul Mason is still in Madrid. Does this mean the crisis has been | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
avoided? None of you listened to some of the contingency planning | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
that is going on inside the EU. The Reuters news agency today released | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
a leak of what it said was some of those plans. I will give you a list | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
of the things that are being considered. Limits on how much | :07:59. | :08:07. | |
people can withdraw from ATMs, physical patrols at borders to | :08:07. | :08:15. | |
prevent cash flowing over them. The temporary suspension of the shen | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
began agreement. This is the worst -- sheng began agreement. This is | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
the worst case scenario. If this bail out in Spain and whatever | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
happens in Greece does not stablise the situation. I get the sense that | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
something pretty profound has changed within the eurozone, hasn't | :08:35. | :08:44. | |
it? It It has, this battle between Germany trying to impose austerity | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
and rules on the game, and then southern Europe, seen in many parts | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
of the world as victims of the austerity drive. That battle has | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
gone into a little black box, what are the terms of the Spanish bank | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
bail out. The battle is fought about who gets punished and gets | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
money taken away from them. In that battle, one sense is the balance | :09:07. | :09:13. | |
has shifted, President Holiday, alongside Barroso, alongside back | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
room players, people like Peter Mandelson from Britain, still very | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
much central to the whole discussions, they are winning an | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
argument. The argument is, austerity could kill certain | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
countries F it drives them out of the euro, the seismic ness of the | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
event is such that you would have to think of some of the things I | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
listed -- seismicness of the event is such that you would have to | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
think of some of the things I was talking about. What sort of | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
timetable are we talking about? are looking now at next Sunday's | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
Greek election. The polls there stop. It is illegal to do an | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
opinion poll in Greece a certain time before the elections. We don't | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
know how this is played out. It is pretty obvious, from the contacts I | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
have in Greece, that it has strengthened the hand of the left | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
in Greece. Who are saying, if you text each other, as Mr Rajoy did | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
with his economics minister, saying look, we can push a button and | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
destroy the whole thing, people tend to listen to you. We are all | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
waiting to find out what poll that matters, and that is the one on | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
Sunday. If the Greeks vote, and it is entirely possible, 50-50, for | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
them to vote for a left Government. That Government does not want to | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
leave the euro, but it will scrap the austerity plan and then it will | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
be the ball in the court of Mrs Merkel. | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
Thank you. Corbett is righthandman to the | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
President of the European Council, Mitt Romney. He's in Brussels. Can | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
you help us -- Mr Van Rompuy. What is this deal with Spain, is it a | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
bail out or a rescue? It is a loan, from other eurozone countries to | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
help Spain gain time to deal with its banking problem. Where did you | :11:04. | :11:14. | |
find the money? It is from the European financial stablisation | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
fund, which was set up a couple of years ago. It was a tool that | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
didn't exist before this crisis. Now the European Union, or the | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
eurozone, has set up this fund, through which it can lend money to | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
countries that need money to gain time. It is a loan, it is not a | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
gift, it is not grant, it has to be paid back in due course. It gives | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
the countries time to turn the situation around. This money comes | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
from other members of the eurozone? The other members of the eurozone | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
back the fund. They are guarantors for it. It is not that tax-payers | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
in other countries are giving money away, they are guarantors for the | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
loans, loans which will, of course, in due course, have to be paid back. | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
It is possible, presumably, that one of the people backing the loan | :12:02. | :12:11. | |
is Spain herself? Yes, all the eurozone countries contribute to it. | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
So Spain is lending herself money? Just as Britain does with the IMF. | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
Like many countries across the world we contribute to the IMF. It | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
is not unknown, hissor clear, For us to borrow from the I -- | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
historically for us to borrow from the IMF. But Spain is one of the | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
countries lending money to Spain? Spain is one of the countries | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
backing the fund, which in this case shrending money back to Spain, | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
as happens -- is lending money back to Spain, as happens in all such | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
cases. Can you help us what with what the Spaniards have to do to | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
justify this loan, do they have to impose austerity measures? Spain | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
has already undertaken a lot of measures to get rid of its deficit. | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
Remember Spain's overall debt levels are not nearly as high as | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
Greece or some other countries. Spain went into this crisis with | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
lower public debt than Germany, even. So it has a certain margin of | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
manoeuvre. The problem here, is with the banking sector in Spain, | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
which, a part of which has gone belly-up. Just as happened a couple | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
of years ago in Ireland. The state has had to bail out the banking | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
sector, to help them also gain time to recapitalise. That is what is | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
happening here. It is a very different case from that of Greece. | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
So the Spanish Government won't be required to cut Government spending | :13:35. | :13:42. | |
in order to justify this loan? Governments are normally required | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
do is cut their deaf sirbgts how they do, that cutting spending -- | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
deficit. How they do that is cutting taxes and raising spending. | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
They are sovereign Governments, that is up to them. But Spain, | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
let's not forget, that is already taken measures to bring their | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
deficit level down. Their accumulated debt level over the | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
years much lower than other countries, but their deficit in | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
recent years shot up. And they are gradually bringing that down over | :14:08. | :14:15. | |
the next two or three years, as planned. | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
When they have to repay this money, who gets priority? Those are the | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
details that will now be negotiated as the small print of this deal is | :14:24. | :14:34. | |
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put together. You have no views on who gets priority? I haven't looked | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
into that aspect myself. whether the EU ought to get | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
priority over bondholders? That is subject to the negotiations of the | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
small print of the deal. The key thing is the principle of the deal | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
has been agreed. Very quickly the new mechanism is working. The money | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
is there to lend when needed to a country that needs it. To help give | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
them time to turn the corner. The details still need to be looked at. | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
When the Greeks or the Irish or anybody, whose Governments have had | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
to impose austerity measures in order to get money from Europe, | :15:09. | :15:17. | |
when they look and say Why do they not have to do what we have to do, | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
will they be entitled to renegotiate their loans? Each loan | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
is tailored to the particular problem of the country concerned. | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
As I said earlier, in Spain it is not an overall problem of | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
accumulated public debt. It is a problem of their banking sector | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
that needs helping out and bailing out for a certain period of time. | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
It is quite different from some of the other countries that have | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
received loans. You can't come back and renegotiate? In all case, you | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
refer to austerity being imposed by the European Union, supposedly. | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
Imagine for one moment that these loans were not being given to the | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
countries concerned. Then they would be facing far worse austerity, | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
much more difficult to turn the situation around. The loans give | :16:01. | :16:09. | |
them time to put their house in order, or over a longer period of | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
time with less difficulty than there would otherwise be. | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
The same consideration, of course, applies to Spain, doesn't it? | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
course, yes. To anyone. And not just countries within the your Roy | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
zone. You never -- eurozone. You never hear much about the countries | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
outside the eurozone, Romania, Turkey, who have had loans from the | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
IMF. It is not necessarily to do with being in the euro, or a crisis | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
of the euro as such. Some countries in the eurozone and outside, have | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
problems of deficits and debts. They are being helped with loans. | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
Reuters was reporting earlier today that there have been contingency | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
plans drawn up over there. For what will happen if Greece does tumble | :16:56. | :17:02. | |
out of the euro. These apparently include the suspension of the | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
shengian agreement, limits on the amount of money withdrawn from the | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
cash machines and similar emergency measures. Have such measures been | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
drawn up? We are not planning for a Greek exit from the country, that | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
would make a bad situation worse. The question of whether there are | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
certain consingcy scenarios being looked -- contingency scenarios | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
being looked into by different Government, I would imagine there | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
are. That is different from planning for it to happen or hoping | :17:35. | :17:43. | |
it will happen. The firm view is an actual exit of Greece from the | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
eurozone would compound bad situation and make it worse. | :17:48. | :17:54. | |
More bad memories are on display at the Leveson Inquiry of the | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
relationship between press and politicians. Everyone there | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
testifys under oath, and the former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, had a | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
very different version of events than the Murdochs. The political | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
class of this country keep asserting that the public doesn't | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
really give a toss about the relationship. David Grossman does. | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
This inquiry has heard from many who say they were victims of the | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
press. Today it heard from another. Gordon Brown says it was his | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
determination to frustrate news corporation's commercial ambitions | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
that turned them against him. To the advantage of the Conservatives, | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
who he says were only too willing to get cosy. There was a red line | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
in everything I ever did, there was a line in the sand across which I | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
could never cross. If there was any question a vested from interest was | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
trying to promote something that was against the public interest, I | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
could have nothing to do with that. I think you can serve up dinner, | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
but you don't need to serve up BSkyB as part of the dinner. | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
Brown was asked about a story that ran on the front page of the Sun | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
newspaper, on November 2006. It was to do with the health of his then | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
four-month-old son. Previously News International has said it received | :19:17. | :19:24. | |
explicit permission from the Browns to run the story. Today, Mr Brown | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
flatly contradicted them. I ask you if any mother or father was | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
presented with a choice as to whether a four-month-old son's | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
medical condition, your child's medical condition, should be | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
broadcast on the front page of a tabloid newspaper, and you had a | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
choice in this matter, I don't think there is any parent in the | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
land would have made the choice that we are told we made, to give | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
explicit permission for that to happen. | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
Let's remember what Rebekah Brooks has previously told the inquiry. | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
She was the editor of the Sun at the time the story ran. Did you | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
have the express agreement of the Brown, freely given, to publish | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
this story about their son? Absolutely. If the Browns had asked | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
me not to run it, I wouldn't have done. Why did your wife in | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
particular remain good friends with Mrs Brookes, to the extent of | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
arranging a 40th birthday party in Chequers for her in June 2008, | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
attending her birthday party in 2008, and Mrs Brookes we had | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
anything June 200, if what you say is correct? -- 2009, if what you | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
say is correct? Sarah is one of the most forgiving people I know, she | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
finds the good in everyone. versions of events there, two | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
versions of a phonecall that perhaps happened or didn't happen | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
in the autumn of 2009. In it, Gordon Brown told Rupert Murdoch | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
that he was declaring war on the Murdoch empire. Or, perhaps he said | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
no such thing. Here's what Rupert Murdoch | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
previously told the inquiry that Mr Brown had said. Your company has | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
made, declared war on my Government. And we had no alternative but to | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
make war on your company. How could Mr Brown have declared war on your | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
company? I don't know, I don't think he was in a very balanced | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
state of mind. And here, is what Mr Brown told the inquiry today. | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
conversation never took place. I'm shocked and surprised that it | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
should be suggested, even when there is no evidence of such a | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
conversation that it should have happened, but there was no such | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
conversation. And the contradictions didn't end there. If | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
you look back at the press cuttings, or indeed, thumb through any one of | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
a number of biographies and autobiographies of the Blair years, | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
you would have thought that whilst at the Treasury, Gordon Brown ran a | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
merciless political briefing operation. Designed, not only to | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
dispatch Tony Blair, sooner than he wanted to go, but also make sure | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
no-one else but Gordon Brown stepped into Number Ten in his | :22:07. | :22:16. | |
place. Today, we learned that was not what happened at all. Were your | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
aides involved in using the media to attempt to force Mr Blair's | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
resignation, this was in 2006? would hope not. Were they involved? | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
I would hope not. I have no evidence of that. | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
Did you authorise your aides to brief against Mr Blair? No. Do you | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
think they may have done so without your explicit approval, even with | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
your knowledge? If they did so, it was without my authorisation. | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
Next up was the Chancellor, George Osborne. He told the inquiry that | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
at the time he had no view on the BSkyB News Corp bid and he | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
dismissed the idea that there was some sort of grand conspiracy, | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
where the Conservatives gave Rupert Murdoch their support for the bid | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
in return for the Sun's endorsement. It is complete nonsense. The facts | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
simply don't bear it out. We had no idea that they wanted to bid for | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
Sky before the general election. When the general election had | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
happened, Dr Vince Cable, a Lib Dem, is put in charge. And you have to | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
be a real fantasist to believe that come these events we knowingly | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
allowed Vince Cable to be secretly recorded. We knowingly allow the | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
Telegraph not to publish information. That information | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
emerges in the middle of the afternoon. We then, all as part of | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
this cunning plan, put Mr Hunt in charge. Mr Osborne too was asked | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
about the appointment of Andy Coulson as Downing Street's | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
Director of Communications. I have seen people suggest that the reason | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
we hired him was because of his connections with the Murdochs or | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
Rebekah Brooks, or his knowledge of the internal workings of News | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
International, that was not a consideration. Over the next three | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
days we will be hearing from more senior political figure, | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
culminating in the Prime Minister himself on Thursday. | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
Let as discuss now with Phil Hall, a former editor of the News of the | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
World, the Conservative MP, Louise Mensch, and Steve Richards of the | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
Independent, who also produced a documentary series for the BBC on | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
Gordon Brown's time as Prime Minister. We did ask countless | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
former associates of Mr Brown to comment on his testimony, but most | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
appeared more inclined to run repeatedly into an electric fence. | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
Now, Louise Mensch, there are so many contradictory versions here, | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
they can't all these people be telling the truth? No they can't. | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
They absolutely can't. Who do you believe? In the matter of Gordon | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
Brown's child, I believe Gordon Brown, and I think it is a complete | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
red herring whether permission was given or not, because the privacy | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
of a young child was grossly invaded. In the matter of this call | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
with Mr Murdoch, I believe Rupert Murdoch, if only because Gordon | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
Brown's testimony that he never briefed against Tony Blair ever, | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
and didn't authorise his aides to do it was so lacking in credibility | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
that it undermined everything else he said. If you looked on social | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
media today, the reactions of the whole political lobby in | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
Westminster, left and right, from every single paper, poured scorn on | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
this. Did you believe Gordon Brown today? In relation to the specific, | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
I don't know. I have no idea whether he said this to Rupert | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
Murdoch, I have no idea what happened there. I don't think it | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
matters very much. Do you have an idea about whether he briefed or | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
his people briefed against Tony Blair? What I know is he was | :25:37. | :25:44. | |
obsessed with the media, and he was being utterly disengineous to | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
declare a sort of indifference to the media. When he said he wasn't | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
reading papers? He read every paper, someone told me he used to read, as | :25:53. | :26:00. | |
Prime Minister, the papers at 5.00am, by 5.30am he was incredibly | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
depressed. But someone did say you are the only person who reads all | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
the papers, so that is a distorted view of how you are perceived. What | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
he should have said is I'm obsessed by the media, and totally justified | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
in being so, because they remain a powerful shaper of opinion. I think | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
if George Osborne and others...He Didn't say? He undermined the | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
validity of an argument about the power of a media by affecting an | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
indifference to it. Hall, did you believe what he had to say? Not -- | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
Phil Hall, did you believe what had he to say? Not a word. There was an | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
interesting clip there, Rebekah Brooks said she didn't have any | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
permission from the Brown, she said if they asked me not to run it, I | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
wouldn't V I think she went to him, and they are very close, the heart | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
of the Leveson thing is how close were leading politicians and the | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
Prime Minister to rooxrooxroox and News International -- Rebekah | :26:59. | :27:07. | |
Brooks, and and News International. I would imagine they went and said | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
they are going to run it and the Browns were afraid. | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
If they had gone to the press commission it wouldn't have money, | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
Tony Blair used it on several occasions. Would you have run it? | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
No, the Press Complaints Commission, I use it now all the time, if you | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
overstep the mark, newspapers won't run the story. I don't see how that | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
has anything to do with it. The privacy of the child was invaded, I | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
don't know that permission could rightly have been given to | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
undermine the privacy of that child's health which will follow | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
him for the rest of his life. journalist has the right to ask a | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
parent if they can run the story. four-month-old baby. He was | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
appallingly treated? The parent has a right to say no and stop the | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
story. I can tell you, 30 years of this, I know many parents who bring | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
these issues to the public, and talk about them to highlight the | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
issues around treatment of children, the media ka and if sillties | :28:01. | :28:08. | |
available to them -- medical facilities available to them. | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
was right to raise the bizarre tax on Afghanistan. The Sun could have | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
gone for them on a few issues, and weirdly, Rebekah Brooks said that | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
was the reason they decided to switch sides. He was obsessed about | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
dealing with Afghanistan, partly actually, to reassure the Murdoch | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
newspaper that is he could deal with this in the same way that Tony | :28:27. | :28:34. | |
Blair did. He was right to say that some of the focus on him in | :28:34. | :28:40. | |
relation to, that and his personal integrity on that was utterly | :28:40. | :28:47. | |
unfair. It was pointed out by Robert Jay, that he had an absolute | :28:47. | :28:52. | |
disgust with Rebekah Brooks, he went to a 40th birthday party and a | :28:52. | :28:58. | |
wedding and his wife joined a bizarre pyjama party. That is a | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
valid point about, I put "they", because he wasn't the only one. | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
They were frightened of the power of people like her, Rebekah Brooks. | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
They did everything they possibly could to keep her, or get her on | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
side. I'm not sure it was just being frightened. I remember Rupert | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
Murdoch at the select committee testifying clearly that the Prime | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
Minister he was closest to was Gordon Brown. The person he felt he | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
had most in common w and the strongest friendship he formed with | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
recent Prime Ministers. The great contrast was with the way George | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
Osborne appeared today. A much more polished performance in the opinion | :29:34. | :29:42. | |
of many observers, and yet very revealing of a kind of inner moral | :29:42. | :29:49. | |
vacuousness, surely, on the the question of the Murdoch role in | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
BSkyB. The only consideration apparently was holding the | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
coalition together. That is a serious consideration. You have to | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
take it on value, as George said, the facts, the deal was given to | :29:59. | :30:06. | |
Vince Cable. I don't think the most far fetched News Corporation | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
conspiracy therapists, could think that giving it to Vince Cable would | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
advance Rupert Murdoch's interests. You believe that the Chancellor of | :30:12. | :30:18. | |
the country has no view on the ownership of BSkyB? He gave his | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
view today, it was an honest one. He said it was an inconvenience, it | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
may be code for something we can't repeat on the BBC. As he rightly | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
said, he knew he would get into trouble with one set of media | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
groups or the other. If you please News Corporation, you displease the | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
BBC, the Telegraph, the Mail, the other media companies, the | :30:37. | :30:43. | |
Independent, who didn't want to see News Corp take over. It was a | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
political performance and he came out of it well. He treated it as a | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
conversation and followed the arguments. The arguments were | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
pretty valid. They have all got a strong argument. I think Cameron | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
will have an easy day on Thursday, when, basically they say, of course | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
we want to get a better press, we had our ideas that we wanted to be | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
put out in the most benevolent climate ever. I don't blame them | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
trying to do. That that is in relation to the Andy Coulson | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
appointment, part of his interrogation today. On BSkyB I | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
never believed the idea they did a deal before the election. It would | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
have been absurd, he explained very clearly why that was the case. | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
There remains the murky area of the switch from Vince Cable to Jeremy | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
Hunt, which I think still remains murky and there are questions to be | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
answered. He suggested that was Jeremy Heywood's idea? I don't | :31:33. | :31:39. | |
think he will appear actively culpable. He was delighted, because | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
we have seen the texts. In the Leveson evidence, the texts and e- | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
mails are more revealing than the one-to-one interrogation. He didn't | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
appear to think that Cable had done anything wrong, it was merely a | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
question of balance within the coalition? He wanted to make sure | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
that Vince Cable remained part of the cabinet. I think he dealt with | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
that in quite a sensible way, which is to be open about it. He didn't | :32:01. | :32:06. | |
want a crisis in the coalition by Vince Cable leaving, that was an | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
honest and wise answer. What did you make of George Osborne's pitch | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
today? I thought he was very comfortable in his own skin. I | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
think because his involvement was fairly narrow, yes he had a | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
conversation with Coulson at the very beginning. In the end the | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
decisions were made by the Prime Minister. I don't agree, I don't | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
think he will get an easy ride. David Cameron? I think he will have | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
to explain his relationship with Rebekah Brooks and whether he was | :32:35. | :32:42. | |
right to send mess js with "lol" in them. He is a smooth operate to I'm | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
sure he will handle it well, but I think he will get a rough ride. | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
They were friends, that is what he will say. I gave George Osborne | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
lots of brownie points when asked if he was a friend of Andy Coulson, | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
he said yes he was and still will be a friend of Andy Coulson but he | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
hasn't been able to speak to him for a year. People appreciate that | :33:04. | :33:10. | |
honesty. There was stark contrast and noticable today approaching | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
various people who were very close to Gordon Brown. Not one of them | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
wanted to come out and talk. This was a man who was Prime Minister | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
only a couple of years ago. What has happened? A lot of the people | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
who went through the trauma of the Premiership, and the build-up to | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
the Premiership, with the whole Blair-Brown rivalry, are simply | :33:28. | :33:33. | |
still getting through it all. There is no doubt there have been many | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
fallings out. The problem he had to today in relation to that, was if | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
he had started saying, yes, there were briefings, yes, Tony Blair and | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
I were falling out all over the place. Someone as obsessed about | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
the headlines as he is, would know that would have been the headlines | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
for tomorrow. He wanted the headlines to be about News | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
International. But not surprisingly, therefore, you don't get many | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
people coming out to depend. That I think that was what was happening | :34:00. | :34:06. | |
today. A piece of modern social engineering has come to a dramatic | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
end. The Red Road housing estate in Glasgow was designed as part of the | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
solution to that city's problems of overcrowding of slums and tenement. | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
A big, bright, futuristic answer to a generations old problem. In the | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
1960s, the new tower blocks were the solution to poor housing. | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
Within decades they were the problem of poor housing, and | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
yesterday they succumb today high explosive. Catrin Nye reflects on | :34:33. | :34:43. | |
:34:43. | :34:46. | ||
how you -- utopia became distopia. Red Road, for more than 40ies these | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
vast imposing structures have loomed -- 40 years these vast | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
imposing structures have loomed over Glasgow. They were homes, the | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
solution to a post-war housing crisis they will be mourned as | :34:57. | :35:07. | |
something greater. You are part of something big and grand. Look at | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
the size of these. This will all disappear from the face of the | :35:10. | :35:20. | |
:35:20. | :35:21. | ||
earth. Weather through years of neglect, -- whether through years | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
of neglect, loathed as they were loved. A big dumping ground, big | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
grey stones. But to their very end, they have provided the sanctuary | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
for which they were created. man is 60 years old, he labours on | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
usual all the buildings, is there to the last in 1969. He builds the | :35:40. | :35:47. | |
concrete castle for the paths to go from building to building. Sleek, | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
space age, mammoth, Rid Road says his mother, Red Road, houses for | :35:52. | :35:57. | |
thousands. There aren't many blocks of flats | :35:57. | :36:03. | |
that can claim a novel, a film, and countless artworks dedicated to | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
their memory. But Red Road was always some what unique. The | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
initial plans for these buildings were fairly modest. By the time | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
they were completed in 1969, they had become something of an | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
architectural experiment. The highest tower blocks in kwhruep, | :36:19. | :36:26. | |
home to almost 5 -- Europe. Home to almost 5,000 people. For each of | :36:26. | :36:35. | |
the residents, an entirely different new way of living. | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
# My heart's on fire # Elvira | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
These were the very first of those residents, and they have stuck with | :36:44. | :36:53. | |
Red Road until the very end. Jean McGeough moved in on day one, | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
she picked a ticket at random, and on it was her flat number and floor. | :36:58. | :37:07. | |
They got offered in St Peter's drive, we walked from there -- | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
Petershill Drive, we walked up from there, we thought they would be | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
left. And they said look at the crowds. People were out taking | :37:14. | :37:21. | |
pictures and doing this and that. I went, oh my goodness. They went | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
are you going to be a tenant? I said I hoped so. I had my neighbour | :37:26. | :37:33. | |
with me, I said you pick. She said no, pick it yourself. So I picked 9, | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
so I'm quite happy I got it and I was happy. I'm very happy there. | :37:37. | :37:43. | |
Very, very, very happy. No half measures about Glasgow | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
housing, everything's looking up at the development. Red Road came in | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
the latter part of the boom years for high rise. 4,500 people will | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
have a pilot's eye view of the great city, and enjoy it in modern | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
comfort. Immediately post Second World War, Glasgow was faced with | :38:03. | :38:13. | |
:38:13. | :38:13. | ||
an acute housing shortage problem. Some Soviet delegates studying | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
rehouse pring in the party. flats created the ultimate in | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
communal living, a project on the scale you wouldn't see today. | :38:22. | :38:31. | |
:38:32. | :38:41. | ||
cost, so far, more than �6 million. Look at the housing, they are | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
amazing, on a formal level, they will never exist in the world again. | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
The sheer size of the buildings is symbolic of the post-war social | :38:49. | :38:54. | |
consensus. The idea that what you had in Glasgow, was these | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
overcrowded inner city tenements, and there was the idea that people | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
were going to get better housing and move out. They were going to | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
get this light, this modernist ideal of light and fresh air, and | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
so forth. But there was still the idea, of course, of the social, the | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
community. That is what you have here. You have 5,000 people, but it | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
is a community that is here. It might be created artificially. But | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
that is essentially what the welfare state was. The recreation | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
of communities from these delap dated and poverty-striken | :39:24. | :39:33. | |
communities that we find in the earlyly to mid-20th century. | :39:33. | :39:41. | |
Road had purpose built pubs and shobs and even an underground bingo | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
hall. It was a golden period, all the problems with high rise mere | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
quirks of life. The shift to this way of living was so significant | :39:50. | :39:57. | |
for Glasgow, it earned a place in the city's folk history. | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
# I'm a skyscraper # I live on the 19th floor | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
# But I'm not gonna play You can see it in the culture, | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
there is the idea that the culture of kids coming home from school, in | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
the old tenement areas, their mother would throw them out a | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
sandwich, a piece, they call it, from first, second, third, fourth | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
floor, there is a song about that saying you can't fling pieces out | :40:25. | :40:31. | |
of a 20 storey flat. Your mother won't throw a story down 8 floors | :40:31. | :40:36. | |
to you. One of the pigeons or -- 28 floors. One of the pigeon also get | :40:36. | :40:43. | |
it before you do. # The odds against reaching it | :40:43. | :40:50. | |
# Are 99-1 From that initial wave of hope, soon came a far more harsh | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
reality for Red Road. The high rise towers became symbols of poverty | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
and alienation. The very problems from which they were designed to | :40:58. | :41:08. | |
:41:08. | :41:14. | ||
Like many of the first residents, Jeanne moved out of Red Road, and | :41:14. | :41:21. | |
by the time, as Alan Peter lived there in the late 1980, it had a | :41:21. | :41:29. | |
very different kind of community. No longer a desirable place, they | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
were housing those with nowhere to go. As Alan's neighbours robbed for | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
a living, people weren't taking it in turns to clean the hallways any | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
more. Black cab dropped us off at the back of the building, when you | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
get out and you see this big huge monster building. You were like is | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
this it, and the entrance is around the front. | :41:54. | :42:00. | |
Two residents beforehand, who stayed there before me, had both | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
jumped out the kitchen wind development was it a QikSave. When | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
you look out of the kitchen window you could see where they landed. | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
the late 1980s there was a lot of unemployment. Hair win was coming | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
back in. It was rough. -- Heroin was coming back in. It was rough, | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
there was a lot of unemployment, they were closing down the | :42:24. | :42:30. | |
shipyards as well. There was no no jobs about. Crime | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
seemed to be the easiest way to pay for things. If you were a single | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
guy and you put your name down for flat, you would get shoved here. | :42:38. | :42:48. | |
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That is just the way it is. It was In the early 1970s, there would be | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
queues for the lifts in the morning for men going to work, in the | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
shipyards. But coming into the 1980s, there was no problem getting | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
a lift in the morning to go to work. There was the idea of despair, the | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
idea that things were coming to an end, there was no future in places | :43:16. | :43:24. | |
like this. We get this problem word, residualisation, which really | :43:24. | :43:34. | |
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This could have been the end of the story for Red Road. There is | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
another, final chapter, created as much by international developments, | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
as those locally. The flats became a home for asylum | :43:50. | :43:56. | |
seekers, initially those fleeing Kosovo, but residents from as many | :43:56. | :44:03. | |
troubled countries as you can name. Congalese, Libyan, huge numbers of | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
Chinese, fleeing politicians. There are more horror stories, family of | :44:08. | :44:14. | |
Russians jumped to their deaths from the flats in 2010. | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
For some, though, Red Road has echoed its original purpose, a | :44:18. | :44:26. | |
place that inspires awe, that creates communities. | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
This man arrived in 2007 from Pakistan. What did your family | :44:30. | :44:36. | |
think of their new home? It is just like what you see in the aeroplane. | :44:36. | :44:42. | |
You just see down. You think that you are just in the aeroplane. We | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
can see all the city of Glasgow from our flat. If we go to the | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
kitchen there is a view of mountains, if we come to the living | :44:52. | :44:58. | |
room there is a view of the whole city. The families were just | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
together. My younger daughter was born here. She was born in the Red | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
Road flats. You have a Red Road baby? Yeah. | :45:08. | :45:15. | |
We have a Red Road baby. And so on, and so on, and so on. | :45:15. | :45:21. | |
Till the tenants were gone and the buildings only steel and girders | :45:21. | :45:31. | |
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That report was from Catrin Nye. And tomorrow morning's front pages | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
now. The Financial Times has news that Jose Manuel Barroso of the | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
European Commission would like to see all European banks, right | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
across the European Union regulated by the same superviser. The | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
Independent has pictures of the England football team who managed a | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
1-1 draw with France this evening. Doctors face a ban on denying | :46:05. | :46:15. | |
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treatment to the elderly. According That's it for tonight. Parting is | :46:33. | :46:43. | |
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The rain will ease a little bit overnight across southern counties, | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
it won't be as intense as over the last 24 hours. Still there in the | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
morning. Heavy showers once again developing across Wales, south-west | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
England and Northern Ireland. Much of northern England will be dry | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
with brightness. Temperatures could reach 16-17, cooler on the east | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
coast. A dryer day across the Midland and East Anglia, eventually | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
drying up across the south-east. Some rain in Kent and Hampshire | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
until late in the day. In the south west of England, slow-moving, heavy, | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
thundery showers could develop, as they could across parts of west | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
Wales, like today. They will be very much hit and miss, but some | :47:42. | :47:48. | |
places could get a real soak. For Northern Ireland expect heavy, | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
intense downpours, not everywhere catching one. Some places in the | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
east will stay dry. Much of Scotland will stay dry, showers few | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
and far between. But temperatures struggling into double figures. Not | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
much warmer on Wednesday. The likelihood of heavy showers for | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
Northern Ireland. Further south for parts of Wales and south-west | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
England. There could well be some lively downpours across Wednesday. | :48:12. | :48:15. |